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GUEST,Janet - Guest 08 Aug 14 - 02:09 AM
Joe Offer 08 Aug 14 - 02:42 AM
Richard Bridge 08 Aug 14 - 02:54 AM
Ebbie 08 Aug 14 - 03:07 AM
GUEST, topsie 08 Aug 14 - 03:23 AM
Musket 08 Aug 14 - 03:57 AM
Roger the Skiffler 08 Aug 14 - 04:30 AM
TheSnail 08 Aug 14 - 05:12 AM
MGM·Lion 08 Aug 14 - 05:14 AM
bubblyrat 08 Aug 14 - 05:42 AM
GUEST,vectis 08 Aug 14 - 06:29 AM
Jack Campin 08 Aug 14 - 06:53 AM
GUEST,CS 08 Aug 14 - 06:58 AM
GUEST,Dani 08 Aug 14 - 07:19 AM
GUEST,gillymor 08 Aug 14 - 07:22 AM
GUEST,Sid Boggle 08 Aug 14 - 09:49 AM
Musket 08 Aug 14 - 10:06 AM
Stilly River Sage 08 Aug 14 - 11:01 AM
meself 08 Aug 14 - 12:07 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Aug 14 - 12:36 PM
GUEST 08 Aug 14 - 12:44 PM
Backwoodsman 08 Aug 14 - 01:39 PM
GUEST 08 Aug 14 - 01:49 PM
Sean Belt 08 Aug 14 - 02:01 PM
bubblyrat 08 Aug 14 - 02:08 PM
GUEST 08 Aug 14 - 02:26 PM
Bill D 08 Aug 14 - 02:40 PM
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Q (Frank Staplin) 08 Aug 14 - 03:43 PM
Gibb Sahib 08 Aug 14 - 04:21 PM
olddude 08 Aug 14 - 04:33 PM
Barb'ry 08 Aug 14 - 05:12 PM
JennieG 08 Aug 14 - 06:20 PM
Backwoodsman 09 Aug 14 - 03:03 AM
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Backwoodsman 09 Aug 14 - 06:43 AM
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Subject: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,Janet - Guest
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:09 AM

I am a middle-aged woman and I see more and more women (all ages) with various tattoos. Some women have only a few, maybe a small flower or object and others have a LOT of tattoos everywhere!

I myself have never had any desire to have a tattoo of any kind but it just amazes me that in the last 10 or 12 years I have seen a tremendous increase in women getting tattoos.

So I was just wondering what others think about it? I really (personally) don't like it at all and not even too crazy about men with a lot of tattoos, but especially don't like to see them on women.

I guess a person could say, "Well, if men can have tattoos and have been getting them for a very long time, then why not women?"
I understand that thinking but....I still don't like to see them on women. Yet everywhere I go, the post office, supermarket, buses, malls, restaurants - I see so many women nowadays with tattoos.
You rarely saw women with tattoos in the 60's & 70's & even not too much in the 90's. But now it is so popular.
I actually think that more women these days are getting tattoos then men.

So I was wondering what you guys think about it? Maybe you don't mind seeing them on women you don't know but would hesitate for your wife or girlfriend to have tattoos.
Maybe you are more open minded and have the attitude, "Well, if that's what she wants to do, then it's fine with me."

I'm just curious though what other women and guys think about tattoos in general on women?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Joe Offer
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:42 AM

Hi, Janet - I moved you down here to the non-music section, with no intention of offending Lydia the Tattooed Lady. I'm sure she's quite attractive...

I don't know that I've seen any standard, blue-and-red tattoos that look good on anyone, particularly women. I have seen temporary, henna-based tattoos that look very good - they're usually drawn with much slimmer lines and more original designs, and I like the brownish-black color.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:54 AM

All people are perfectly entitled to have tattoos, but mostly I fail to see how they improve appearance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Ebbie
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:07 AM

I keep picturing 80-year old women with sagging tats.

I used to think that tattoos were a fad that would fade (no pun intended) away but I think now that they are here to stay. Thank the gods that tattoos that cover practically the whole body, including the face are still somewhat rare but I suspect that a very high proportion of both sexes have at least some small ones, covered and out of sight, somewhere on their bodies. For the people who get them on the basis of commemoration or other meaningful reminder I figure it's not my business to have an opinion.

That said, I still don't care for them and I don't have any.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:23 AM

When (if) I see a tattoo that is a real work of art, then maybe I'll change my mind. Until that happens, I would no more allow someone to tattoo my body than I would hang a cheap print on my wall.

[Though possibly, when I get older and more frail, I might consider a small notice saying: DO NOT WITHDRAW LIQUIDS.]


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Musket
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:57 AM

Generally speaking I was never turned on myself, but others see them as jewellery so live and let live.

One girlfriend had a rather nice dolphin on her back and I often thought it looked good as tattoos go, but her rather nice back didn't need it.

When I was "playing the field" last, tattoos tended (not always..) to go on the same category as cigarettes and weed. Thanks but no thanks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 04:30 AM

I'm with Richard on this. Whatever people choose to do to themselves is their business. I don't like it but don't want to stop them. I always think (sign of age!) "What are they going to look like when they are old?" Both my grandfathers had tattoos on forearms that were faded and didn't look good with liverspots and wrinkles!

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: TheSnail
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 05:12 AM

Every generation has to do something to outrage their parents. Before tattoos it was piercings. Now I see perfectly normal young mothers with both tattoos and piercings. What are their daughters going to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 05:14 AM

Their daughters are going to infuriate their mothers by remaining entirely vanilla, with unspoiled pristine skin!

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: bubblyrat
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 05:42 AM

My "other half" turned 70 in June, and she has recently had a dragon tattoo done (by a nice Polish lady called "Kinky Angel ") .Strange but true !


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,vectis
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 06:29 AM

Down here in New Zealand women and men have loads of tattoos, usually just black ink. Many are cultural and denote specific talents, responsibilities or place within the tribe/family/society.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 06:53 AM

The leading expert on ta moko (traditional Maori tattooing) and its use on women is Ngahuia Te Awekotuku, who was a friend of mine when I was a student. She really knows her stuff and has a traditional tattoo herself; her work is easy to google for. The Maori traditions behind this are deep and complicated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,CS
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 06:58 AM

First off, what other people choose to do with their own bodies, is of course none of my business - so there are no 'shoulds' here. However from a purely aesthetic perspective, I must concede that the majority of generic tattoos which get picked out of a catalogue, don't impress or interest me in the slightest, in fact I find them pretty pedestrian. A decent piece of real body art however, is great to see, and I absolutely love seeing other women confidently sporting large impressive tattoos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,Dani
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 07:19 AM

When my girls wanted tattoos, I told them they had to first wait a very long cooling-off time, and find a woman over 60 who had one that still looked attractive, and that she was still glad she had.

They eventually both did : ) but they also did wait a very long time, until they were older and not as impulsive.

Funny thing is, I went first: that's a story for another time. I'm not really 'the type', but I'm daily glad I did it. There was that awkward moment when my teenage daughter's friend said, with all due respect, "Hey Mrs. ___ show us your new tat!!"

I do think it's a personal thing, and not too much unlike what you decide to do with your hair. Whose business is it how short or long you like it, or how much money you spend on it, or if you (gasp!) dye it. Sure, we all have an opinion, but we keep them to ourselves because it's none of our *@&%$#^ business : )

Dani


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 07:22 AM

My first wife had a small, maybe 1 1/2" long, abstract blue horse on her left ankle which I didn't care for when she brought it home but soon I encouraged her to get more tats in hidden places. A small, tasteful, strategically positioned tatoo can be very sexy. I never cared for tramp stamps, they kind of seem like sleazy billboards no matter how well executed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,Sid Boggle
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 09:49 AM

I am an older Gentleman with a very healthy long standing daily enthusiasm for looking at pictures of nudey ladies:

[thank you Mr Internet - modern technology now saves the age old embarrassment
of monthly trips to the newsagents for latest editions of "Escort" & "Razzle"].

So speaking as something of an expert on the subject;
it is dismaying that so many lovely knockers and bum cheeks
have been permanently defaced with the most ugly rough looking cheap artless tattoos.

I despair of any culture that even remotely considers the grotesque silicone & collagen 'enhanced'
over-tattooed on-screen telephone-chat sex-workers of late night multi channel satellite TV,
are desirable role models for a generation of under-educated celebrity fashion obsessed young women.

Nothing at all like the Japanese tradition of female body tattooing,
which is a true fine art.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Musket
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 10:06 AM

"And tattooed on her fanny
Was Al Johnson singing Mammy"

One of those lines in a song that don't quite translate the same when crossing the pond.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 11:01 AM

My children seem to be watching what their friends have done as far as tattoos and piercings and opted to avoid them for the most part. My daughter has several earring holes and one nose piercing for a small gold stud.

When they were entering the years when they were thinking about this I suggested that they look at the things they liked a couple of years ago, games, television, etc., and would they want those characters or games or whatever as tattoos now, or would they have moved on? You have to live with the decision, so make it something you're pretty certain won't bother you later. Their bodies are temples, and they're both over 21. Any decisions are theirs, I've had as much input as I ever will. Personally I hope they eschew tattoos, but I won't be shocked if they add any.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: meself
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:07 PM

Call me old-fashioned, but ... okay, you know the rest. However, I'm at an age at which I can't expect any twenty-year-old male or female to give two hoots what I think about anything, let alone their attractiveness or lack thereof, so ....


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:36 PM

Ugh!
Same for tattoos on men


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 12:44 PM

Rawtenstall Annual Fair had a sad warning on the subject - not least the admonition not to go down the mine...


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 01:39 PM

Individual choice. Nobody' business but your own. If you like them and want them, get them. If you don't like them and don't want them, don't get them - but mind your own bloody business where others' tattoos are concerned, they're nothing to do with you.

IMHO.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 01:49 PM

Then there are the tattoos on legs and ankles that from only a few yards away
look like bruises and acute varicose veins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Sean Belt
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:01 PM

Like anything else, if a tattoo is well thought out and skillfully executed, then why not have it? If it is cheaply done and it's only meaning is "I got rillee drunk that night", then it was probably a mistake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: bubblyrat
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:08 PM

The best I ever saw (in the Royal Navy,of course ) consisted of two red horned and fork-tailed "devils" , one on each buttock,industriously shovelling coal up the subject's anus,from which copious flames and smoke billowed forth. I have suggested this to my "other half", but sadly ..........


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:26 PM

if, like anything else, it's done artfully and tastefully, a tattoo is an enhancement to what i consider a "blank canvas." a lot of tattoos resemble amateur attempts and look rather cheap and trashy, and i've never understood the desire to permanently advertise someone else's product for free (thinking harley-davidson here).... some - even though they're done well - are rather common (butterflies) and look nice but don't seem to add anything to the human body in the way of individuality or uniqueness, so i don't see the point except to say "i have a tattoo" (which may just be the point the individual tattoo-ee wanted to make?...or that she likes butterflies)

the rise in women getting tattoos is a result of a subtle marketing ploy designed to broaden the consumer base, much like the marketing genius who realized that if he could get women interested in harley-davidson motorcycles he automatically increased the number of potential customers by 100%. then we started seeing more women in HD's commercials and advertisements, and it seems to have worked.

a young, dark-complected lady friend recently got a big tattoo of a peacock with the concomitant colors draped from the outside of her left thigh across the front of her leg above the knee, with tail feathers trailing down the inside of her calf. the colors were especially vivid and striking against the backdrop of her skin, and obviously the skill it took to accomplish such a piece can be appreciated. aside from that, it gives me an excuse to admire the shapeliness of her leg without seeming too much of a perv.

if i were to get a tattoo, it would have to be one of very high quality and uniqueness to show my individuality and appreciation of well-crafted body art. so far i haven't seen or thought of anything i would want to wear on my body permanently for the rest of my days.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Bill D
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 02:40 PM

"A businesslike hooker named Gail
Was tattooed with her prices for tail.
   And on her behind,
   For the sake of the blind,
A duplicate version in Braille"

--------------------------

tattoos, like jewelry, clothing, hair styles, makeup and various other things, are individualistic, personal and vary in taste and cleverness. I have seen some tattoos that were elegant... and some that were beyond ghastly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:34 PM

Prison tattoos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: michaelr
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:41 PM

When I was growing up, only sailors and criminals had tattoos.

Watching tattooed footballers on TV, they look like they have dirty arms.

It's telling that the lower-back tattoo on a female is known as the "tramp stamp."


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 03:43 PM

NFL setting a bad example for young people allowing players to have visible tattoos.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 04:21 PM

I wonder: Does anyone have a good recipe for milquetoast made with Wonder bread? I need to bland up my life a bit more, and I heard Mudcat was a good community to start with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: olddude
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 04:33 PM

Well my 30 year old daughter has a beautiful flower one between her shoulders. I said if you love the artwork so much that you want to wear it forever. Then why is in a place you can't see.
I don't think they make anyone look better. I have seen some on young girls arms that look nice now but if they gain weight the butterflies will look like Buzzards. However the ones that look nice now, the girl would look nicer without it. But to each there own


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Barb'ry
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 05:12 PM

Nobody's business but their own. I saw a poster on a tattoo shop window saying, 'the only difference between someone who isn't tattooed and us is that we don't care if you have a tattoo' but put better than that!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: JennieG
Date: 08 Aug 14 - 06:20 PM

It does absolutely nothing for me, but to each his own. It took me until I was 30YO and had already given birth to pluck up courage to have one hole pierced in each ear lobe, so it will take much longer again until I get a tat. An older woman with sagging tats (you may substitute another vowel if you wish) is not a pretty sight.

Here are some tats which may not have gone according to their owner's plan. A misspelled tat is with you for a long time; a tribute to a departed loved one loses a little of its meaning when "sleeping with the angels" becomes "sleeping with the angles" as I have seen on this site.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 03:03 AM

What a bunch of boring, old-fashioned farts.

I learned long ago the value of a decent hair-cut, and I don't like to see ancient male hippies with a bald patch and wispy long yellowed-grey hair tied in a dopey pony-tail, but if that's what they want, and they're happy to look like dirty old tramps, that's fine by me - let them carry on, and the best of luck.

The French have a term for it don't they? "Laissez-faire"? I think it's "Live and let live" in English.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:36 AM

And you look great, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:37 AM

GUEST 08 Aug 14 - 01:49 PM

Then there are the tattoos on legs and ankles that from only a few yards away look like bruises and acute varicose veins.

Late last century/early this one a male friend bought a sheet of small "temporary tattoos" & wore a postage-sized spider web on his cheek & it looked just like a bruise. I hadn't thought of it for years! He didn't get a permanent tat, probably cos he didn't get a good reaction to the experiment.

I remember an earlier thread about tattoos where a Catter referred to a female relative's small Blue Bird on her stomach. Pregnancies & weight gain made the bird into a giant.

I've also seen a young friend rubbing soothing ointment into her new tattoo, as it was hurting badly. She wasn't regretting getting it done, but didn't like the pain. No pain, no gain?

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,Fred McCormick
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 05:26 AM

Absolutely cannot abide them. Not to put too fine a point on it, they give me the creeps. I'll be glad when the tattooing craze is over, but heaven knows what will replace it. The Elsa Lanchester look perhaps?


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 06:43 AM

"Absolutely cannot abide them. Not to put too fine a point on it, they give me the creeps. I'll be glad when the tattooing craze is over"

I have exactly the same feelings about those f***ing ukuleles that infest and ruin every musical event nowadays. Ukulele? Should be pukelele AFAIC!


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Amergin
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 10:20 AM

I think they're sexy as hell, especially if they are well executed.

The thing about tattoos is that you get exactly what you pay for. The more you pay, chances are the better the tattoo. Also, let the artist be an artist....tell them what you want, but let them add their own flair....they like it better and are more liable to do better work. If you keep getting them, build a relationship with the artist, instead of going to different shops (unless of course the artist sucks).

My first was a homemade tattoo, done with a guitar string dipped in ink. It has since been covered with a harp on the back of my right hand. I have, currently, 11 others on various parts of my body. More will come, I'm sure.

Each tattoo means something to me, some are spiritual in nature, some mean loved ones, some stand for my own struggles, but they are all mine, no one else's.

I love to see them on women....they give me something more to admire, upon an already beautiful canvas.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 12:49 PM

most tattooed woman

at least she had a 'reason' of sorts.

the ultimate body modification (piercings) don't look if these things make you queasy.

There are extremes in everything... I find many 'decorations' to be distracting from focusing on the person and facial characteristics that humans have always used to try to relate to one another. Metal rings or studs in the lips, nose & tongue always seem to be just advertising a personality type to others, while pretty & mostly discreet tattoos can be no more distracting than odd hair styles or clothing....except they can't be easily altered.

Body adornment & modification has a long & complex history, some of which I can understand, and some I can't..... perhaps I should wonder why I never had the urge, and even dress blandly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:11 PM

That "most tattooed woman" can't be serious- she could have shaved her head to create another canvas. It is not as though she couldn't have tattooed hair onto it, for cripes sake.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 04:31 PM

When I went bald I had rabbits tattooed on my head. From a distance they look like hares.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Bill D
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 05:19 PM

*groan*


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: GUEST,#
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 07:36 PM

Second that. Good though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:01 PM

Make your reservations now for the 2015 Royal Edinburgh Military Tattoo (August).


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 09 Aug 14 - 08:25 PM

As a medical student in the 60s we were categorically and melodramatically told by the politically-insensitive VD consultant (as was his title then) - "Aha, the tattooed lady, check her WR (test for syphilis) - nearly all tattooed ladies are prostitutes"!
Well, maybe times have changed a bit, but there was a time when getting tattooed also ran the risk of acquiring Hepatitis B or C or HIV from use of unsterile equipment. Hopefully tattooists have cleaned up their act since then in order to stay in business. And as any plastic surgeon knows there are people queuing up to get no-longer-loved tattoos removed by laser: I think that in most if not all UK health authority areas this is no longer entertained as something to be done on taxpayers' money (i.e. NHS-funded). So please do think long and very hard before getting a tattoo in the first place.


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Musket
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 04:50 AM

I once interviewed a woman for a job that included seeing customers. She was well qualified, articulate etc. I could just about put up with the swallow on her neck, a bit of a talking point maybe, customers remember her rather than when they visit the factory of a competitor. After all, when the CEO had an earring....

But no. ACAB on one set of knuckles and HATE on the other, both rather homemade too. I felt sorry for her and it was obviously an earlier her, but not for this role sadly.



Regarding the earlier reference to tramp stamp. I thought it denoted where to rest my pint pot...


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Subject: RE: BS: Tattoos on Women
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 07:06 AM

When I was a wage-slave and managing people, I always tried very hard not to 'judge the book by its cover', and I wouldn't have been put off employing office-bound staff by their having proper, professionally-done, tasteful tattoos in appropriate places. However, home-made dots and acronyms on knuckles, spiders' webs on necks, stick-men on hands etc., are taboo, AFAIC, and would definitely have been a major black mark against an applicant who displayed them.

I didn't do the setting-on of customer-facing staff, but I guess I would have had to make a judgement in that kind of circumstance, and I suspect my judgment would pretty much align with Musket's. Fortunately, I'm retired now, so it ain't gonna happen! :-)

My wife and I both have tattoos, and they were done by a very skilled, highly professional artist, but they are in easily-covered locations, and no-one sees them unless we choose to show them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Hot Tattooed Women
From: Gibb Sahib
Date: 10 Aug 14 - 07:32 AM

Musket, do you have the phone number for the skinhead girl you almost hired, and how old is she? She sounds hot.


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