What makes a new song a folk song?

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: The Sandman
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 04:33 PM

yes, I have noted Jim not answering your questions .

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 05:09 PM

"Rather proves my point"
I'm delighted for you Bryan
"yes, I have noted Jim not answering your questions ."
Snap
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Musket
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 03:14 AM

Point out reality and Jim spends the next year screaming that you never state your position.

Some of us aren't arrogant enough to have positions Jim. We observe the world around us and giggle at how narrow and small your position is.

Mike just likes to have the opposite view. You however seem to be living the dream.

Go back to your interviews with diddycoys and try to relate that into folk rather than comparing folk to it.

Then you might have something to offer this thread which asks what makes a new song folk. It doesn't ask whether it can or not. The op us clever enough to have already got over that particular hurdle.

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 06:51 AM

"Some of us aren't arrogant enough to have positions Jim"
If you haven't got a "position" on folk song you should leave those of us who believe we have, get on on with it - you certainly shouldn't be attempting to bully people into position on what you appear to be admitting, you didn't have a position on, and you shouldn't be designating pop songs 'folk' if you don't have a position on what constitutes a folk song - not arroagnce, just familiarity with the subject, which you have amply displayed you're not.
"if you don't like the whelks don't muck 'em abaht" as the (I'm sure you'll insist) 'folk' song says.
I don't think I've ever encountered such thuggishly bullying and dishonest behaviour on a discussion forum before - even on a "what is folk song" thread - folk policing or what!
Now I'll leave you to your sniping and sniding - off to hear some Child Ballads in Limerick (yawwwn no doubt!)
Have a good day now, d'you hear!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: GUEST,pubkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 07:33 AM

"If you haven't got a "position" on folk song you should leave those of us who believe we have, get on on with it - you certainly shouldn't be attempting to bully people into position on what you appear to be admitting, you didn't have a position on"

Jim, Musk and me might not take exactly the same approach
to demonstrating our discomfort with other folk's ideas,attitudes, and behaviou.

But I do think we are similar in our view that fixed absolutist positions are not healthy
or conducive to any kind of reasonable productive debate....???

For me at least, intellectual 'doubt' is more to be valued than 'over-certainty'.....

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Musket
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:05 PM

Or put another way. If you don't agree with Jim, shut up.

OK Jim.

But how about shutting up the music industry which knows what to put in the genre called folk? And trust me, it's far more than tit trousers and diddy tunes. The industry recognises all forms of folk.

Including the wonderful folk revival that is going on around you whilst you tighten your blinkers and rattle on about those who came into vogue sixty years ago.

Put another way, millions of people would recognise a Les Paul guitar, but wouldn't recognise a picture or recording of Les Paul playing one. That's no disrespect to Les Paul in the same way that folk has transformed in a way that would make Walter say "pardon?"

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:40 PM

Exactly. It's an INDUSTRY.

Out in the open time at last.

The bloated capitalists of the music industry [thanks again Ian} can see a way to make some bread out of perversion of our traditions

and here comes that sainted bloody Mather to cheer them on their way, with his [yet again] 'comic air of having triumphantly demonstrated what has merely been strenuously asserted'.

Wonder if he realises what a corner he has painted his stupid old lefty·ɷhole self into, with his bloody music industry...

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: The Sandman
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 12:53 PM

excuse me, but what does this ridiculous thread have to do with political affiliations

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Musket
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 01:09 PM

Of course its a fucking industry. And you used to be part of it with your reviews. (Or marketing as we call it.)

Sanctimonious sod.

Folk music is a genre, enjoyed by millions of people who buy records and go to concerts and festivals, and also by those whose only interest is a rather narrow historical part of a living tradition.




Lefty? You ought to have a word with Bridge. At least he knows I'm a dirty rotten bleeding capitalist....

There again, Jim disagrees with you too. He reckons I'm a goose stepper. (For anyone stumbling on the thread, a goose stepper is, by Jim's reckoning, anyone who buys a contemporary folk album and calls it folk.)

Subject: RE: What makes a new song a folk song?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 01:19 PM

"Or put another way. If you don't agree with Jim, shut up."
On the cotrary - it is you who has consistently tried to shut down this discussion because you can't get your own way
You have indidcated your boredomzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz with the subject (yawn), yet instead of leaving those of us who aren't, you try to stop it
To have objected to my describing you as a goose-stepper - try not to act like one
You'll be organising book burning raids next - you appear not to be too fond of them either.
"excuse me, but what does this ridiculous thread have to do with political affiliations"
The music industry that Muskie and friends appear to be in bed with silly (one of your favourite words, I assume, from the number of times you have slung it and similar about)
PFK
There is nothing "absolutist" about claiming chalk isn't cheese.
Jim Carroll