Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano

Subject: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: GUEST,Jeff Illingworth
Date: 05 Sep 14 - 10:26 PM

Hello. I am looking, ideally, for a recorded copy of a song called "Giacomino in aeroplano". My 91.5 year old mother-in-law sings bits of it sometimes and it has become a family mystery that everyone wants to solve. I've done several searches and found only the following:
Giacomino in aeroplano
canzonetta
novita Natale di Palma,
musica di E. Bevilacqua, of Italy,
canto e mandolino. 4to.
[363
Jan. 3, 1916 2 c. Jan. 7, 1916
E 367786; Arturo Matacea, New
York.

From a 1916 musical copyright book. Any help would be most appreciated.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jun 19 - 05:59 PM

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: GUEST,Paolo
Date: 12 Jun 19 - 06:00 PM

I am looking for it as well.. my great great uncle sings it in a tape of a 1949 tv show on KABC

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Mar 20 - 01:43 AM

Me too. My Nonnie sang it to me when I was a child.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: cnd
Date: 03 Mar 20 - 02:24 AM

I don't suppose this song, titled "Come si Canta in Guerra" is what you're looking for? I don't see the word aeroplano but it's by the same guy and has pictures of airplanes along the bottom of the page.

This book repeatedly turned up under search results for Natale di Palma - I didn't see anything that was obviously formatted like a song but that doesn't mean it's not in there somewhere.

Searching for "E. Bevilacqua" turned up this and this -- same story as above.

Perhaps most promising, searching that title gives you this page which is on the surface useful. Supposedly somewhere in there, there is text matching the words "Giacomino in Aeroplane" but I can't figure out a way to streamline looking through it and I'm not going to sift through 199 images in the hopes of finding it -- if someone knows a better way to search those LOC sites though, let me know. If you view a single image you can click "show text" - that may help some

Good luck!

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 06:38 PM

Biblioteca Nazionale Centrale di Roma seems to have something in its catalog called "Giacomino e l'aeroplano"

I don't know how to link to search results (that's a problem with many websites), so you may have to go here and do your own search:

http://bve.opac.almavivaitalia.it/opac2/BVE/ricercaSemplice

I am not adept at using this website because I don't know any Italian!

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: Monique
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 07:04 PM

"Giacomino e l'aeroplano" is a book for kids.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 05 Mar 20 - 07:05 PM

NEVER MIND! "Giacomino e l'aeroplano" seems to be a children's book, not a song. And it's probably not old enough to be what you're looking for.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: GUEST,MU
Date: 22 Jan 23 - 03:10 AM

My great grandmother born in 1922 used to sing this to me as a child. She learned it from her father who grew up in Tuscany in the late 1800s. I’ve never found it’s origins

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: cnd
Date: 22 Jan 23 - 10:48 AM

I did just come across this image -- does it match what you're grandma sang? Unfortunately, there is some damage to the page, so this transcription is, as of now, incomplete. Also, I would like to preface that I speak zero Italian; paging our favorite local polyglot, Modette, for translation, corrections, and amendments.

IN AEROPLANO
(Versi di M. ALBIN, Musica di C. GRANAZIO)
Strepitoso Successo dell'Artista TERESA DE MATIENZO

   I.

Giacomino in Aeroplano
Gira sempre su e giù
Col volante sempre in mano
Non gli va a lasciarlo più.
  Tante amabili signore
  Porta in aria tutti i di
  Ed a me che non vo' andare
  Mi repete ognor cosi:
Vieni sù, vieni sù Nenè
  Anche tu, anche tu con me,
  Ti farò veder le stelle
  Da vicin come son belle
Vieni vien! Vieni vien!
  Il venir ti farà ben!

   II.

L'elevarsi è tanto bello
Fra le nuvole si và
A cavallo d'un grosso ucello
Galoppare ti parrà
  Io virando il movimento
  Con amor ti cullerò
  L'apparecchio ch'è un portento
  Ritto in aria manterrò.
Vieni su, vieni su, Nenè
  Anche tu, anche tu con me
  Scopriremo il Paradiso
  Ne l'eterno suo sorriso.
Vieni vien! Vieni vien!
  Il venir ti farà ben!

   III.

Stretta, stretta contro il core
Sui ginocchi ti terrò
L'energia del matore
Sentirai e sentirò.
  Gusterai n[???] sedere
  Sul velivo [??] cosi
  Quell'ebbrezza che volare
  Mai nessuro[?] risenti
Vieni sù, vieni sù, Nenè
  Anche tu, anche tu con me!
  Voglio entrare [b]ella luna
  Per cercare la fortuna [--?]
Vieni vien! Vieni vien!
  Il venir ti farà ben!

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: cnd
Date: 22 Jan 23 - 10:51 AM

Listen to a preview, or purchase, the above song, here.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: cnd
Date: 22 Jan 23 - 11:03 AM

Worth noting, the preview of the above recording seems to start in the first stanza (at Vieni su, vieni su, Nenè) and skips to the third, covering the majority of it

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: Monique
Date: 22 Jan 23 - 01:38 PM

It seems that the third verse goes...

Stretta, stretta contro il core
Sui ginocchi ti terrò
L'energia del motore
Sentirai e sentirò.
Gusterai nel sedere
Sul velivo va così
Quell'ebbrezza che volare
Mai nessuno risentì
Vieni sù, vieni sù, Nenè
Anche tu, anche tu con me!
Voglio entrare nella luna
Per cercare la fortuna
Vieni vien! Vieni vien!
Il venir ti farà ben!

... but some words are sung differently in the recording. I'll ask Mudcatter Cattia if she can lend a hand.

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: Cattia
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 04:48 AM

Teresa De Matienzo Neapolitan singer married to the musician Alfredo Melina (composer of her successful songs) she moved with her family to New York, in 1910 the Columbia record company writing her to produce a record. The most famous songs: Cose d'America, Dammella, In aeroplano, Fenesta 'e 'nfamità, Velivolì
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s94swWqwR5M

the text integrated by Monique is that of the score
the text integrated by Monique is that of the score but in the song it becomes
"Stretta, stretta contro il core
Sui ginocchi ti terrò
L'energia del motore
Oh sentirai e sentirò.
Gusterai nel vedere
del velivo così
Quell'ebbrezza che 'l [del] volare
Oh mai nessuno risentì"

the song is bawdy (although singing "sedere" could have been considered offensive) - it is a song with double entendres implied

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: cnd
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 08:17 AM

Thank you for your help, Cattia and Monique; your knowledge here is indespensible.

It's too bad neither of the two people who seem to be searching for the song posted any lyrics or verses to the song to help with identification. It'd sure help me feel more confident that the case is now solved or not. Jeff may be unlikely to return, but perhaps MU will?

Cattie, the hints that it's a somewhat bawdy song make me all the more curious. It's possible two grannies wouldn't sing a risque song to their grandchildren, but then again, if the meaning is veiled enough, it's possible they would!

Subject: RE: Origins: Giacomino in aeroplano
From: MaJoC the Filk
Date: 23 Jan 23 - 10:44 AM

Depends on the granny, cnd; in our family, we used to refer to "mother's driving words" for untoward expressions used while holding the steering wheel, but it's not just us. One of the contributors at the Lake Sessions read a rude poem about swearing, which included unexpurgated examples; afterwards, she apologised to the MC for doing so in the hearing of the MC's early-teens son, who was sitting in the front row. Said son replied that he'd heard it all before and worse from his mother.

I wish I could find where "Freedom of speech is never so valuable as when a man hits his thumb with a hammer" came from ....