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An alternative definition of a folk song

Bert 15 Sep 14 - 01:26 PM
MGM·Lion 15 Sep 14 - 02:11 PM
Steve Gardham 15 Sep 14 - 02:21 PM
The Sandman 15 Sep 14 - 02:24 PM
johncharles 15 Sep 14 - 02:33 PM
GUEST,Stim 15 Sep 14 - 02:51 PM
GUEST,Rahere 15 Sep 14 - 03:55 PM
Phil Cooper 15 Sep 14 - 05:02 PM
Bert 16 Sep 14 - 02:55 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Sep 14 - 04:44 AM
Bert 16 Sep 14 - 04:58 AM
Les in Chorlton 16 Sep 14 - 05:01 AM
GUEST,Grishka 16 Sep 14 - 05:08 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Sep 14 - 05:13 AM
Musket 16 Sep 14 - 05:27 AM
Bert 16 Sep 14 - 05:29 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Sep 14 - 06:09 AM
Musket 16 Sep 14 - 06:21 AM
Stanron 16 Sep 14 - 06:43 AM
The Sandman 16 Sep 14 - 09:26 AM
Jim Carroll 16 Sep 14 - 10:49 AM
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Subject: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Bert
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 01:26 PM

It is the first song that you start singing when you get in the car and drive off.

(No bitching in this thread. It is just for fun.)


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 02:11 PM

Cease your funning. Force nor cunning
Never shall my thread trepan.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 02:21 PM

A song that I just wrote before 1860 and had published along with about 50 more in a book I called 'Folk Songs' in 1860!

Message sent via a medium.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: The Sandman
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 02:24 PM

anything approved by Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: johncharles
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 02:33 PM

folk song checklist
1.sex
2. violence
3. death
4. magic
5. child abuse
6. love
7.tokens of love ( often broken)
8.innuendo ( ware the cuckoos nest)
9. cross dressing
10. farming / fishing / fol de rolling.
11. marriage to someone unsuitable
12. lords and ladies
13. war soldiers and sailors

Tick four or more and you probably have a folk song
john


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 02:51 PM

A song that every one has always known, but that no one actually likes.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 03:55 PM

Many songs get folked up by the performers (well, I think that's what the rest of the band said...)


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Phil Cooper
Date: 15 Sep 14 - 05:02 PM

If the protagonist lives at the end of the song, it's pop. If he dies, it's folk. Credit songwriter Ben Bedford for this line.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Bert
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 02:55 AM

Nice one Good Soldier Schweik.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 04:44 AM

"anything approved by Jim Carroll"
Do you have to make every discussion a personal attack Dick
Henceforth thou shalt be known as 'The Skibbereen Stalker' go forth and spread thy message to the world.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Bert
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 04:58 AM

Oh come on Jim, he got you there. You do have a tendency to take this subject rather seriously. Don't worry, we still love you.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 05:01 AM

Anything sung in a folk club since 19 ....................


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 05:08 AM

Singing in the shower or alone in the car etc. certainly is a mark of popularity in some sense. However, it seems that most such singers only sing a short passage, and do not intend it to be a complete musical experience.

A "song that is being sung by folks" must be sung essentially completely (though some verses may be missing) and with full deliberation. As we saw on other recent threads, some pop songs made it into that league, but the barriers are high. Pop producers want "fans", not embezzlers.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 05:13 AM

"Oh come on Jim, he got you there. "
No he hasn't Bert - I've become very tired of his string of abusive hate mail - don't get involved unless you have a good power-shower at home
"You do have a tendency to take this subject rather seriously"
Yes - I do - so do a lot of other people -not at clubs any longer, it would appear.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Musket
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 05:27 AM

And there was me thinking folk clubs were the entertainment output end of a musical genre.

Not to mention group therapy...


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Bert
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 05:29 AM

There's nothing wrong with taking folk music seriously, we all do, that is why we are here.

I didn't see that his posting was hate mail. Just an observation that you have a very positive view of the definition of folk music. As such, I thought that it was a lighthearted amusing comment.

He could have just as easily made fun of my very relaxed view of what folk music is.

As I said at the beginning, this thread is just for fun, so if you don't want to have fun there are enough serious threads out there for you.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 06:09 AM

"And there was me thinking folk clubs were the entertainment output end of a musical genre"
Like all good art - it works on many levels - entertainment being only one of those
It take all art I am interested in seriously - on as many levels as they offer
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Musket
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 06:21 AM

On another thread I have been quoting the conductor Sir Thomas Beecham. I think one of his is fitting here.

"The English don't appreciate music but they love the sound it makes."

The antithesis of that being, I suppose, dissecting a fluffy bunny to see how it works.

As a teenager doing my music exams, I came to love many pieces with a passion. But having had to analyse Mozart's 40th, bar by bleeding bar, I find that in later years I cannot enjoy it. Not even The Wombles "Minuetto Allegretto" for that matter.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Stanron
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 06:43 AM

Folk songs used to be 'vernacular' songs. Nowadays some vernacular songs aren't allowed to be called folk songs and a lot of what are allowed to be called folk songs are not vernacular songs, Funny innit?


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 09:26 AM

I am not from Skibbereen. yet another of your inaccurate statements.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 10:49 AM

"I am not from Skibbereen. yet another of your inaccurate statements."
Only partially inaccurate then - great alliteration though.
But t'will serve for future use if necessary.
"Nowadays some vernacular songs aren't allowed to be called folk songs "
Never come across that Stan - care to expand?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: The Sandman
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 11:07 AM

totally inaccurate, mean while since you like call names, here is better alliteration jim carroll the clown from clare whose claptrap contains contententious cods wallop.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 12:40 PM

One requirement for a song to qualify as a folk song is that it that it from a cultural group other than your own----otherwise it' just music.


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Subject: RE: An alternative definition of a folk song
From: Bert
Date: 16 Sep 14 - 01:56 PM

Play nicely guys. Don't make me come down there.


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