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Russian piano notation

Jack Campin 23 Sep 14 - 07:58 PM
GUEST,Ripov 24 Sep 14 - 05:48 PM
GUEST,Triplane 24 Sep 14 - 06:37 PM
GUEST,Rahere 24 Sep 14 - 06:43 PM
GUEST,Melinda 24 Sep 14 - 10:34 PM
Jack Campin 25 Sep 14 - 06:13 AM
Stanron 25 Sep 14 - 08:19 AM
GUEST 25 Sep 14 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Rahere 25 Sep 14 - 01:39 PM
Jack Campin 25 Sep 14 - 02:01 PM
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Subject: Russian piano notation
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Sep 14 - 07:58 PM

This is a piano arrangement of a Romanian tune best known as a panpipe showpiece:

Ciocarlia

What do those peculiar things in the bass mean? There are crotchets with stems drawn beside them as if they were trying to be a pair of quavers, but there are no noteheads: either just a stem or a stem with an "M" or a "b" written above it.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST,Ripov
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 05:48 PM

looks a bit like a figured bass. maybe the second quaver of each pair is emphasised by playing a chord, The 7s in the bars near the end points to that?


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 06:37 PM

Could it be that the musical notation writer , rather than continue to write between the bass clef and treble chose to put in the name of the note,
Its in the key of A and the name of the notes seem to make sense even in cyrilic
just a thought , been wrong before so that's nothing new


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 06:43 PM

Probably an octave harmonic, maybe a turn with it. Listen to the various accompaniments on here.
Don't be too constrained by the limits of the piano, this is probably for the cembalon. The fifth goes straight across the bridge to the left, the octave straight up from there.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST,Melinda
Date: 24 Sep 14 - 10:34 PM

It looks like piano-accordion notation, with bass notes and chord-type letters (i.e. Major, Minor, Seventh, etc.). The Cyrillic letters make it confusing.
I think the tune is found elsewhere, too - isn't there a concert piece for violin with this in it? I can't remember where I've heard it.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 06:13 AM

Yes, there are lots of other copies of the tune. But this one was simpler than most and I guessed it might be nearer to the original form.

Piano accordion notation usually has lots of chord changes marked explicitly, this doesn't look like it.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: Stanron
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 08:19 AM

It's a shame one can't zoom in on the image. There is quite a lot that is too small to read and some of that may contain clues.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 01:28 PM

Click on the words "Piano Score" and you get this PDF.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 01:39 PM

Drat! STOOPID ME! Look at the time signature, 2/4. Those are just slightly oddly written quavers, four to a bar...duh! The notes above are probably accidentals...look at the top line they harmonise with.


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Subject: RE: Russian piano notation
From: Jack Campin
Date: 25 Sep 14 - 02:01 PM

I tried the same question on another forum, and they finally came through with an answer that convinced me. It's notation for a root-chord vamp: M for a major chord, b for a minor one, and some seventh chords towards the end. Where there's nothing written at the tip of the stem, you do the same chord as you've been doing.


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