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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 14 - 03:15 PM SRS: "Guest from Sanity, your predatory posts at Mudcat are designed to disrupt discussions you don't like and to turn the attention to yourself." Nice try...but the thread title is, "Another Black Man Shot by Cop". My posts are NOT a diversion....making EVERYTHING racist, about another shooting, IS!! The topic is not about picking and choosing, 'discussions you don't like'...it's about presenting all sides, and calling attention to misrepresentation about false, selective spins... GfS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Sep 14 - 03:27 PM You don't present sides, you dredge up what you think are hot button side topics that can derail a discussion. And it ends up being about you. Go make some of your muzak, leave the threads alone for a while. There you go, on your way now. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:01 PM What other options are there when the public is under possible threat? The public was not under any sort of threat. This is just another knee-jerk reation to "niggaz with guns" - God Bless Amerika. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 27 Sep 14 - 05:12 PM Anyway, the guns thread makes it fairly rational to argue that the racial distinction might well be done away with: most rational people are afraid of people of any colour or function waving guns. As that is most often Americans, perhaps they should show more sympathies with other minority groups (the US having less than 5% of the world population). |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 27 Sep 14 - 06:25 PM SRS: "You don't present sides...." Sides??? There are no 'sides'...only stupid decisions that people make by shooting each other OR doing things that might get you, or someone else, shot....white? black?..makes no difference..stupid is stupid...SENSATIONALIZING IT, for political agendas ranks right up there with more stupid....SENSATIONALIZING IT, and claiming 'sides', only fosters more polarizing animosity..... ...and you are defending, and/or encouraging THAT!!?? Maybe YOU should run along, and re-think how you've been manipulated into more manipulations, of other people! Warmly, GfS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Greg F. Date: 27 Sep 14 - 06:29 PM the guns thread makes it fairly rational to argue that the racial distinction might well be done away with Rational? Bullshit. You need to take a look at the statistics before making a fool of yourself. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Stilly River Sage Date: 27 Sep 14 - 08:15 PM white? black?..makes no difference..stupid is stupid... Yes, it makes a difference. A big difference. But you want to grind whatever ax will upset the most people. Strange fruit. Now it is guns, not the noose. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Sep 14 - 01:19 AM SRS: "Yes, it makes a difference. A big difference...." And, just what is that difference?...Another dead body is another dead body..and that person was probably valued and loved by at least 'someone'...what does skin color have to do with it?? Fair question. GfS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Sep 14 - 10:53 AM You're changing the topic. Everyone should ignore the posts from Guest from Sanity. Read past anything he posts and keep up with the original topic. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Sep 14 - 11:08 AM There is a lot of prevarication and obfuscation when it comes to the power play that mostly-white police officers are exerting when they shoot, beat, or otherwise abuse minority subjects. Right-Wing Media Push "Black-On-Black" Crime Canard To Deflect From Ferguson Police Shooting Right-wing media emphasized the supposed prevalence of "black-on-black" violence in response to the shooting death of unarmed black teen Michael Brown by a police officer in Ferguson, Missouri. But such emphasis takes the crime statistics out of context in order to hype the racial aspect. Scroll to the bottom of the collection of citations and you'll find this blockquote: Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI. Those who don't want their motives examined, who are bigots, practice a form of social bigotry by trying to change the subject and suggest it is part of a different issue. Thus removing the gaze from the white police officers and instead blaming the victims. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Rahere Date: 28 Sep 14 - 11:27 AM There is another principle in play, SRS. In Europe, we've made steps in establishing that power needs to justify itself, that the Law cannot forever favour the big guns. If you hold authority and the power that accompanies it, then you must be accountable for its use, and it is utterly insufficient to use it to hush up its abuse. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Richard Bridge Date: 30 Sep 14 - 12:53 PM http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/09/29/1333114/-Dear-White-Folks-Please-Stop-Being-So-Surprised-When-White-Cops-Shoot-Unarmed-Black-People?detail=email |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Donuel Date: 01 Oct 14 - 12:31 AM So if a cop kills three innocent people but Internal affairs finds that he is not to be charged or handed over to a grand jury, what happens if additional evidence, such as his confession to me. Could he be charged with murder 20 years later? |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: meself Date: 01 Oct 14 - 12:41 AM No Statute of Limitations on murder .... |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Nigel Parsons Date: 01 Oct 14 - 03:55 AM I don't know how this quote helps the argument Scroll to the bottom of the collection of citations and you'll find this blockquote: Nearly two times a week in the United States, a white police officer killed a black person during a seven-year period ending in 2012, according to the most recent accounts of justifiable homicide reported to the FBI. On average, there were 96 such incidents among at least 400 police killings each year that were reported to the FBI by local police. The numbers appear to show that the shooting of a black teenager in Ferguson, Mo., last Saturday was not an isolated event in American policing. "96 incidents out of at least 400 killings" seems to show that more than 75% of victims of police killings were white. I don't know what percentage of the US population is "black", but without that sort of information the statistics quoted are pointless. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: MGM·Lion Date: 01 Oct 14 - 04:27 AM See my simultaneous post on the "Gun Law" thread, on the irony of these two threads running so tenaciously side-by-side. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 01 Oct 14 - 04:52 AM Nigel, another study in 2012 put it as 1 Black killed by police every 28 hours. The number of Blacks makes it clear that even the "milder" statistic you cited reflects a police mindset disproportionately targeting them. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Richard Bridge Date: 01 Oct 14 - 08:54 AM The fastest percentage growth is among multiracial Americans, followed by Asians and Hispanics. Non-Hispanic whites make up 63 percent of the U.S.; Hispanics, 17 percent; blacks, 12.3 percent; Asians, 5 percent; and multiracial Americans, 2.4 percent. Census: White majority in U.S. gone by 2043 - U.S. News usnews.nbcnews.com/_.../18934111-census-white-majority-in-us-gone-by-... |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,# Date: 01 Oct 14 - 06:51 PM "Could he be charged with murder 20 years later?" Yes. There is no statute of limitations on murder. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Oct 14 - 09:51 AM Why does the St. Louis PD keep changing their story about the killing of VonDerrit Myers? http://thefreethoughtproject.com/st-louis-pd-changing-story-killing-vonderrit-myers/ RIJ VonDerritt Myers ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Oct 14 - 09:58 AM "....the spokesperson for the St. Louis police union, Jeff Roorda, already chiming in on this case, was himself fired as a police officer for falsifying reports and has admitted that he is behind the fundraiser for Darren Wilson...." who is Mike Brown's l killer..... ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Ebbie Date: 13 Oct 14 - 12:19 PM Methinks that the ubiquity of cell phones' recording ability has not yet become fully internalized in sufficient numbers of individual cops. Can you visualize the meetings and briefings in police departments these days? It would be interesting to be the proverbial fly on the wall. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Greg F. Date: 13 Oct 14 - 12:25 PM That, plus the ongoing unnecessary and idiotic militarization of U.S. police forces, providing them with full-auto assault weapons, armored personnel carriers and all kinds of hardwre that has no business being in the hands of civilian law enforcement. My tax dollars at work. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 13 Oct 14 - 01:01 PM Four Latino men have been shot by police in Salinas, California. An investigation is being sought. Unarmed white man, Dillon Taylor, shot to death in Salt Lake City, Utah in August. Washington Times and NY Times reports on protests. Forty-four percent of men killed in the last 33 years have been white. Huffington Post, Black Voices 10-10-2014. In the last few years, blacks stand a 21 percent greater chance of being shot dead by police than whites. Huffington Post. These figures need to be classified by type of offence, weapons involved, &c. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 13 Oct 14 - 02:09 PM Q, can't classify that way when cops can and often do lie about exactly those details-- that's why racial profiling is so dangerous. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Donuel Date: 14 Oct 14 - 12:51 AM Shot while being black is todays lynching. and another is shot and another is shot, another black shot by cop. As I wrote earlier a DC cop I knew was not out until, like baseball, he had shot and killed 3 black kids "hiding under cars" in SE DC. He would say , you gotta hear the funny sound they make when shot in the head. Without even an indictment, cops go free when and if the kids they shoot are black. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 25 Nov 14 - 07:30 PM RIP Tamir Rice, Cleveland, Ohio, age 12, 11/22/2014. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST Date: 25 Nov 14 - 07:53 PM Armed with an air pistol. Meanwhile, a report the body of someone else shot dead had been found late Tuesday night 300m from where Michael Brown died has magically disappeared from the web... |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Nov 14 - 08:11 PM It appears you don't have to be a black man to be shot by the police in the States. Of course it isn't just in the States it happens. But it's not quite so frequent here in England. I imagine if we gave the cops all guns it might be more likely to happen. And at the same time probably lead to more cops being killed in the course of duty. What you might call a lose-lose situation. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 25 Nov 14 - 08:15 PM This is what I was referring to: Tamir Rice: US police kill boy, 12, carrying replica gun Make another link |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 25 Nov 14 - 11:23 PM An interesting read, for all those 'racists' out there.... Deaths of black men in the inner cities: These gun deaths don't make the headlines. The country doesn't come to a dead halt, wailing at the murder of innocents, demanding an end to gun violence. The NRA won't appear on TV to suggest putting armed guards in inner city schools. There is no public outcry. It is the astonishing number of black men killing other black men. This is a true gun crisis in inner cities across our country. The "other" gun deaths we never hear about: young black males and homicide. A few days ago, Chicago had its 500th homicide. Its' a sad testament to a world chained to poverty, lack of opportunities, joblessness and other societal factors. Black men have the highest death rate to gun violence in this country. While the overall murder rate is declining, deaths due to gun violence among black males is on the rise. There is no national outcry, but there should be. The Department of Justice figures from 1980 to 2008, showed that blacks were more likely to be victims as well as offenders. The same study shows that the highest rates were for victims were those in the age group 18-24 and 25-34. The study also showed that during those years, 93% of black victims were killed by black perpetrators. In all homicides from 1980-2008 for black and white, a gun was the weapon of choice. Two of every 5 deaths for young black men are caused by homicide. In contrast, that rate is twice of Hispanic male deaths and 15 times the rate of white male homicides. There is anger and rage boiling in inner cities. Factors such as higher incidences of inter-generational poverty, social disorder, gang strongholds, single-parent or no parent households, lack of jobs, alcoholism, drug abuse or child neglect are part of the entire scenario which breeds violence. ...................................................................... So, I don't think it matters if you're blue with orange polka-dots, a sure way to get your ass blown away is to reach into a cop car, punch the cop's mug, and try to get his gun from him! Don't believe me??....Try it! The 'outrage' over this being a white on black 'joy-shooting' is absolutely preposterous. Nobody is bitching about the convenience store owner that got strong-armed, by Brown....I guess he get's a pass, 'cuz he's black...it's all excusable..after all, WE'RE LIBERALS! GfS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 26 Nov 14 - 03:42 AM The fact that the victims of police violence in the States are particularly liable to be black is of course striking - but the thing that is in a way most horrifying to outsiders is the fact that so many of your police seem so casual about killing unarmed people, and that your legal system appears to accept it. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Nov 14 - 08:27 AM RIP Eric Garner, July 17, 2014, Staten Island, New York, age 43. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: IamNoMan Date: 26 Nov 14 - 05:03 PM "From: GUEST,Rahere - PM Date: 28 Sep 14 - 11:27 AM There is another principle in play, SRS. In Europe, we've made steps in establishing that power needs to justify itself, that the Law cannot forever favour the big guns. If you hold authority and the power that accompanies it, then you must be accountable for its use, and it is utterly insufficient to use it to hush up its abuse." I agree with you. The Grand Jury in Ferguson determined that Criminal proceedings were not justified. We will see what happens when the Civil "Wrongful Death" aspects are raised. Both public opinion and hitting the "corporate power wielders" in the pocket book seem to have a way of changing how the authorities act and react in these cases. Ferguson, MO was incorporated in 1884 IIRC. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 26 Nov 14 - 05:21 PM Wilson's story to the Grand Jury is not the same story he gave the day of the shooting. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 27 Nov 14 - 05:48 AM Clip of 12 year old Tamir Rice playing and being shot. I don't imagine anyone is going to be tried for this killing either. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 28 Nov 14 - 04:01 AM Boy...it seems he went right down just after the car pulled up...not much time to be telling him to 'Drop it"... GfS |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Dáithí Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:28 AM forgive my ignorance of the details, but how exactly does the Grrand Jury system operate in the US? Is it public knowlege for example as to who was on that jury - for it is they who decided no case to answer, surely? |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,# Date: 28 Nov 14 - 09:57 AM http://criminal.findlaw.com/criminal-law-basics/difference-between-grand-jury-and-trial-jury.html Daithi, there is a good, concise explanation. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 28 Nov 14 - 07:37 PM Mr. Omar Edwards, age 25, May 2009, NY, NY. "This is always a black cop's fear, that he'd be mistaken for a [suspect]," a source said. Obit/description of incident: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/OBITUARIES/2009-08/1249483405 ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 29 Nov 14 - 07:05 PM Interesting detail about the Brown shooting: Darren Wilson Was Fired From 'Corrupt' Department, Disbanded For 'Racial Discrimination' ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST Date: 30 Nov 14 - 08:12 PM Dude stopped and questioned by cop for "walking with his hands in his pockets" while black. Police state |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,Troubadour Date: 01 Dec 14 - 11:47 AM "Walmart Security video clearly shows the youth with a rifle in his hands just before he was shot by police. How would one tell without close inspection what kind of gun it was? www.wksu.org/news/story/40578 I may be in the minority, but it seems to me that the only option is to shoot if the weapon is not dropped immediately. What other options are there when the public is under possible threat?" The Walmart video shows very clearly that he never once pointed that gun in the general direction of, let alone directly at, a single human being. In fact, for most of the eight minutes he carried that gun, he wasn't in direct line of sight of any human being. The only time he lifted the muzzle was to poke at products on the shelf about knee high. The 911 caller flatly LIED, bigging himself up, and has admitted as much. Also the Grand Jury didn't have the Walmart tape when they decided not to prosecute. If they had, they would know that the cops entered, shouted and fired all in the space of one second, hardly enough time for their victim to respond, even if he had the resctions of a Formula One driver. It was an execution, plain and simple. They were wound up by the lies of the caller and went in shouting and shooting at the same time. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: GUEST,# Date: 01 Dec 14 - 01:07 PM http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/three-reasons-why-black-m_b_6245962.html Worth the read. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: wysiwyg Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:06 PM Mr. Dontre Hamilton, April 30, 2014, Milwaukee, WI, age 31. Hamilton was sleeping on the ground in the Milwaukee park where he was fatally shot. FIRED OFFICER'S STORY VS AUTOPSY A little glimpse of Mr. Hamilton (beyond his victimization) is in the comments at his OBIT. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: olddude Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:15 PM I put some of the blame on Hollywood. Do you ever see a white drug dealer in the movies or a white gang member? Not often. Hollywood is the first to speak out about profiling yet they consistently do it. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: olddude Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:23 PM Actors get paid millions of dollars to star in an action movie where they shoot black and hispanic guys then in real life cry profiling. Wh. Not refuse to be in such things. Likewise wwith gun control yet make movies they star in shooting minorities. |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: Greg F. Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:26 PM All very good points, Dan. Good thing there's no systematic racism in the U.S, eh? |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: olddude Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:30 PM We need a study also to find out how many of these cops were bullies in high school |
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Subject: RE: Another Black Man Shot by Cop From: olddude Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:35 PM Here is a good example absolutely true. I was in Chicago over thanksgiving in swank hotel downtown. I was outside sneaking a smoke in the alley. A cop pulled in and stopped the black guy ten yards from me also having a cig. He did nothing wrong but got the 20 questions. Not me I guess I looked saintly or something else in play here |
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