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Parody copyright laws set to come into e

GUEST,mauvepink 29 Sep 14 - 10:16 AM
WindhoverWeaver 29 Sep 14 - 10:55 AM
GUEST,.gargoyle 29 Sep 14 - 05:59 PM
Tattie Bogle 29 Sep 14 - 07:51 PM
GUEST,Rahere 30 Sep 14 - 02:31 AM
Musket 30 Sep 14 - 03:15 AM
Genie 25 Oct 14 - 12:16 AM
Acorn4 25 Oct 14 - 04:43 AM
Genie 26 Oct 14 - 03:17 AM
Genie 26 Oct 14 - 03:20 AM
Tattie Bogle 27 Oct 14 - 05:18 AM
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Subject: (UK) Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: GUEST,mauvepink
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 10:16 AM

Parody copyright laws set to come into effect

I thought this may interest a few of you as I know parodies are quite popular to many

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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: WindhoverWeaver
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 10:55 AM

Wow, a change in the law that is actually making things easier and better! Whatever next?


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 05:59 PM

Right to Free Speech. (First Amendment to the USA constitution)

It has taken 200 years, but the "mother country" has finally seen the light.

So sorry, Esq Bridge, perhaps, it is time to retire.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Without free radio and "Weird Al" or "Doctor D" many of us colonial, kids would never know where "zits come from" or about "Baloney".


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 29 Sep 14 - 07:51 PM

The funniest bit of that article is the following statement:

"It would then be down to a judge to decide if the parody is funny."

Not all parodies are humorous: some can be quite serious.

So I might get away with my parody of "Part of the Union", written as the votes in the recent Scottish referendum were being counted?


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 02:31 AM

And the thought of a Judge of Comedy! Surely we had our bellyful of that in the Lord Chamberlain's Office in the 1950s?


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Musket
Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:15 AM

I can't wait to see a judge decide whether my "Nights in Wet Satin" comes under "fair entertainment" or not.

We'll spend years passing butties and a flask to Les Barker as he sets up camp in the dock....

Considering a clause at the bottom of this webpage says all original material is copyright Mudcat Foundation, certain posts by certain members could fall under parody.

Yes, this time I was thinking of you..


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Subject: Parody copyright laws set to come into effect
From: Genie
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 12:16 AM

"The only, and essential, characteristics of parody are, on the one hand, to evoke an existing work while being noticeably different from it and, on the other, to constitute an expression of humour or mockery," the EU rules state.

Since when does mockery have to be funny?   
Political cartoons are usually mocking somebody or something but rarely laugh-producing.
I hope they mean that a judge would rule on whether the parody was either funny OR mocking.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Acorn4
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 04:43 AM

There are two distinct types of parody - one is mocking the song itself - Billy Connolly's D.I.V.O.R.C.E being the classic example; the other is just when you use a song that is familiar to people to get over a point, humorous or otherwise.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 03:17 AM

Yeah, Acorn, I guess so. But I do not consider a song a "parody" just because it uses new lyrics to an older melody. If you "use a song that is familiar to people to get over a point, humorous or otherwise," you have to incorporate a good deal of the lyrics to the original song (albeit often slightly modified) for it to be a parody.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Genie
Date: 26 Oct 14 - 03:20 AM

Allan Sherman's "Hello, Muddah, Hello, Faddah" is not a parody.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 27 Oct 14 - 05:18 AM

The best parodies change the fewest words of the original song.

Hello Muddah etc didn't have ANY lyrics in the original tune, so of course it's not a parody (did anyone ever suggest it was?) Ponchielli's "Dance of the Hours" by the way.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Genie
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 04:04 AM

I agree that the best and funniest parodies stick very closely to the original lyrics.

Trouble is, only people who know the original lyrics are likely to really "get" the humor in the parody.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: gnu
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 05:22 PM

I copied one of the early posts to agree with it but that's useless because I agree with so many after it. Sorry for wasting your timessss agreeing with youse.


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Subject: RE: Parody copyright laws set to come into e
From: Joe Offer
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 07:14 PM

So, what about a union song or civil rights song that copies but alters the wording and tune of an earlier gospel song. Is that a parody? Or is that what one would call a "derivative work"?

-Joe-


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