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Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman

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DADDY, WHAT'S A TRAIN?
DUMP THE BOSSES OFF YOUR BACK (2)
GREEN ROLLING HILLS
HOOD RIVER ROLL ON
I BELIEVE IF I LIVED MY LIFE AGAIN
I REMEMBER LOVING YOU
I SAW MY COUNTRY'S FLAG GO DOWN
KID'S LIBERATION SONG
OLD DOLORES
ORPHAN TRAIN
PHOEBE SNOW
QUEEN OF THE RAILS
ROCK SALT AND NAILS
ROCKABYE BABY
STARLIGHT ON THE RAILS
THE DADDY SONG
THE EPILOGUE
THE GOODNIGHT-LOVING TRAIL
THE TELLING TAKES ME HOME
TOLONO
TOUCH ME
WEEPY


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Subject: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 10:44 AM

Hallo all , I am wondering , have any of you wrote down the extra lyric
that Prisilla Herdman wrote with Utah you can hear it here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgqt38CtqEo

I am just asking before I start spending time writing this down :)

this version is so good ...and of course the song is great

all the best Skarpi Iceland ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 10:46 AM

it should be REMEMBER .....ARWWWWW .....sorry I missed that ...


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Subject: Lyr Req: I Remember Loving You Utah P Prisilla Her
From: maeve
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 11:20 AM

Priscilla's version as sung with Utah is already here on Mudcat thanks to Stewie, Skarpi. Can't wait to hear you sing it!
Lyr Add: I REMEMBER LOVING YOU (Utah Phillips +..

Maeve



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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I Remember Loving You Utah P, Pris. H
From: maeve
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 11:26 AM

...And perhaps a clever moderator will stretch the limits of the subject line and otherwise make it easier for people to find this in future. It would eventually be very nice for the DT lyrics for this to include the added verses and credits.

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: maeve
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 11:30 AM

Regarding credits for this song, Dan Schatz told the rest of the story in the same thread referred to for the full Philips/Herdman version, above:

"Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Utah Phillips songs
From: Dan Schatz - PM
Date: 22 May 09 - 09:25 PM

For years, none of Utah's friends believed that these people existed. Rosalie Sorrels told me that they used to say, "Right Bruce. 'Luigi del Puppo.' Sure." And she told me that whatever anybody else says, Utah wrote the song.

Which he did, more or less. But he built it on the original song that del Puppo and Chumlevich wrote while in a Nelson, BC jail. Joanna wanted to make sure we credited it correctly on the two CD set, because Utah only wrote the third verse and reworked the chorus. She told me it was collected at the Vancouver jail. Utah got hold of it, and sang it for a long time as originally written:

"I remember loving you
Yes and I've had quite a few...."

It wasn't quite right, so he changed the chorus and wrote the third verse, and it became known as his song. But he always gave credit to the original authors.

Tom Paxton does a WONDERFUL version of this song on the two CD set.

Dan " Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Utah Phillips songs


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 02:15 PM

Thank you Maeve ...:) ..

May we meet someday soon :) ...

all the best Skarpi .


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: maeve
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 04:29 PM

You're welcome, Skarpi. TL and I would like that!


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: GUEST,kendall
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 07:33 PM

He used to sing...I remember loving you, of all the girls I knew, and I've had quite a few, I remember loving you.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: skarpi
Date: 06 Oct 14 - 08:10 PM

thanks Kendall ...:) ...


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: I remeber loving you Utah P Prisilla Her
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Oct 14 - 01:23 AM

Let's put the DT version and my interpretation of Stewie's transcription next to each other so we can see if there are differences. I put the Phillips/Herdman verses in italics - Priscilla Herdman sings them on the recording, while Utah Phillips sings the original verses.

I REMEMBER LOVING YOU
(del Puppo/Chumlevich/Phillips/Herdman

I look at these old letters and postcards
From the places where you've been
From the towns you'd find on the railway lines
And the dirty backroom jails that you've been in
And the whispers of the people in the towns
When you'd been here and they knew
Yes, I remember all these things
But mostly I remember loving you


I look at my brown suitcase
And think of all the places that I've been
The railroad yards and the prison guards
All the dumpy little towns along the stem
And the whispering of the people
As they watch every move that I go through
I remember all those things
Mostly I remember loving you

CHORUS:
I remember loving you
Back when the world was new
And I think you loved me too
I remember loving you

Ah, the buckskin smell that I knew so well
When you'd hold me in your arms all in the rain
The night you came from a westbound freight
You were passing through, and you said you couldn't stay
Just an hour we shared, and you said you cared
And you'd come again the next time you were through
Yes, I remember all these things
But mostly I remember loving you


The buckskins smell, so the people tell
As we huddled in the boxcar from the rain
The flashing lights that cut the night
The railroad bulls that pulled us off the train
When the norther blows and the winter's cold
And I'm huddled in the corner 'til I'm blue
I remember all these things
Mostly I remember loving you

CHORUS

When the norther blows and I'm lying cold in my bed
And I can't sleep for thoughts of you
And you're out somewhere in a jungle camp or a boxcar
Where you're freezing 'til you're blue
I'm close by your side, everywhere you ride
And you're with me in everything I do
Yes, I remember all these things
But mostly I remember loving you


The winter streets where the frozen sleet
Come soaking through the cardboard in my shoes
Where the promised land might be a place
Where a man could find free cigarettes and booze
The alleyways full of ragged strays
The doorway wine I tell my troubles to
I remember all these things
Mostly I remember loving you

CHORUS



I REMEMBER LOVING YOU (DT)

I look at my brown suitcase
And think of all the places that I've been,
Railroad yards and prison guards,
All the dumpy little towns along the stem
And the whispering of the people
As they watch every move that I go through;
I remember all those things,
Mostly I remember loving you.

CHORUS:
I remember loving you,
Back when the world was new,
And I think you loved me too,
I remember loving you,



The buckskin smells so the people tell
As we huddled in the boxcar from the rain;
Flashing lights that cut the night,
The railroad bull that pulled us off the train,
When the winter's cold and the Norther blows
I'm huddled in the corner 'til I'm blue;
I remember all these things,
Mostly I remember loving you.

CHORUS



Winter streets where the frozen sleet
Comes soaking through the cardboard in my shoes,
Where the promised land might be a place
Where a man could find free cigarettes and booze,
And the alleyways full of ragged strays,
The doorway wine I tell my troubles to,
I remember all these things,
Mostly I remember loving you.

CHORUS




Written by Luigi del Puppo and Tino Chumlovich and collected from
del Puppo at Nelson, BC 13 Aug. 1970 by Phil Thomas, PJT Coll
067. Learned by Phillips at Expo '74 in Spokane, WA from
singing of collector and Hilda Thomas. v.3 and lines 3/4 of the
chorus by Phillips: original 3/4 is:

Out of all the girls I knew,
Yes, and I've had quite a few

------------------------------------------------------------------
Original 1.4 ... towns that I've been in. JB

Copright Strike Music
@love
filename[ REMBLOVE
TUNE FILE: REMBLOVE
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Subject: ADD Version: I remember loving you
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Oct 14 - 02:40 AM

Here's another interpretation:

I REMEMBER LOVING YOU
(Sheb Woolley recording)

I look at my old suitcase
And I think of all the places that I've been,
All the rail yards and the jail guards,
And the dumpy little towns that I've been in;
And the whispers of the people
As they see me ever movin', passin' through;
Yes, I remember all these things,
But mostly I remember loving you.

CHORUS:
I remember loving you,
Like no other love I knew,
I've forgotten quite a few,
But I remember loving you.

The dingy smells of cheap hotels
Are huddled in some boxcar from the rain;
The flashing lights that cut the night,
And the railroad bull that kicked me off the train;
The wind that blows, the winter snow
And freezin' in the cold until I'm blue
Yes, I remember all these things,
But mostly I remember loving you.
CHORUS



Here's a nice recording by Roy Bailey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SB25TiICwI

...and Garrison Keillor: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mx2gAJ89x2k (significant alterations, and Keillor attributes it to Bruce Phillips)


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Subject: RE: Req: I remember loving you Utah P Prisilla Herdman
From: skarpi
Date: 07 Oct 14 - 06:59 PM

Thanks Joe ...


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Subject: RE: Req: I remember loving you Utah P Prisilla Herdman
From: bob schwarer
Date: 08 Oct 14 - 02:46 PM

Thanks from me also.


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Subject: RE: Req: I remember loving you Utah P Prisilla Herdman
From: maeve
Date: 08 Oct 14 - 02:52 PM

Lots of interesting additions here- thanks.

Could someone kindly correct the thread titles to the correct spelling of Priscilla's name?

RE: Req: I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman

Thank you.


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Subject: RE: Req: I remember loving you Utah P Prisilla Herdman
From: skarpi
Date: 08 Oct 14 - 07:37 PM

haha thanks Maeve ...I did not notice that ;) ...


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Oct 14 - 03:44 AM

I thought I made the correction...but there weren't enough spaces, so the "c" I typed didn't "take." I have squeezed it in now, but there are no more spaces.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: maeve
Date: 09 Oct 14 - 04:38 PM

Thanks, Joe.


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: bbc
Date: 10 Oct 14 - 07:32 AM

One of my favorite songs! The contrast between Bruce & Priscilla is wonderful!

Barbara


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Subject: I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Genie
Date: 25 Oct 14 - 12:10 AM

It's an odd coincidence that a thread about the Herdman/Phillips duet on this song should happen to pop up among the recently added threads at Mudcat.   I did this duet with another Portland guitarist and singer, Mike Sands, at Artichoke Music's "Acoustic Village" open mic last night ("Duet night"), and I'd had to learn Priscilla's part in just a few days.

I made a few slight lyric modifications that made the lyrics seem to scan better for me and/or to make the underlying story make more sense (to me), but it was basically the same.

I sang,
"And the whispers of the people in the town when they'd see you passing through ..."

and
"The few hours we shared when you said you cared
And you'd come again ... "
and
"When the norther blows and there alone in my bed
And I can't sleep for thoughts of you ... "

We also reversed the parts, with Mike singing the original verses first, then me singing Priscilla's part.

It is uncanny that this song should happen to pop up here at Mudcat just a couple weeks ago.

Genie


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: GUEST,bobngail
Date: 07 Dec 14 - 11:17 PM

I learned this at Expo 74 in Spokane from Diane Campbell who got it from Phil Thomas. I believe Utah learned it from her there, too. Also, the Kettle Valley Line we got from her.


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: GUEST,Jon Bartlett
Date: 08 Dec 14 - 02:26 AM

Good to see the Sheb Woolley mention here. Luigi said that he'd sold it to Woolley.

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: GUEST
Date: 08 Oct 15 - 04:35 PM

Does anyone have lyrics for the version of this song done by Garrison Keillor & Lynn Peterson. (FYI: it's on Youtube)

I've captured most of the lyrics but can't understand three phrases, where I have entered '???' in the following:

Garrison Keillor & Lynn Peterson - I Remember Lovin' You:

I look at my old suitcase, I think of all the places that I've been
The cheap hotels with the cooking smells, The airport full of tired businessmen
The whisper of the women in the crowd as I go slouchin' through
I remember all these things, mostly I remember lovin' you.

The ??? that I knew well after weeks you'd been away
The night you came from a trip to Spain on your way to Hongkong, so you couldn't stay
One night we shared and you said you cared and you'd come again when you were ??? through
Yes, I remember all these things, but mostly I remembver lovin' you.

Chorus:
I remember lovin' you, back when the world was new
And I think you loved me too, I remember lovin' you.

Well, the little towns I've walked around, the bars where I found shelter from the rain
And the musty gloom of the waiting room where I sat waiting for the midnight train
When the night is cold and at ten I'm told the train's expected in at half-past-two
I remember all these things, but mostly I remember lovin' you.

On a summer night when the moon is bright and I can't sleep for all the memories
Of the joys we knew when we were two ??? side by side in a gentle breeze
As waved goodbye and softly cried as you disapeared from my view
I remember all these things, but mostly I remember lovin' you.

Chorus:

And the Winter street where the frozen sleet comes soakin' through a couple of layers of wool
On a night I go to do my show ??? that's about a quarter full
Some ragged strays and divorcees I stand on stage and tell my troubles to
I remember all these things, but mostly I remember lovin' you.

Chorus:


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Janie
Date: 20 May 16 - 11:37 PM

Trying to run down who actually wrote this song. I know Utah said it was misattributed to him but he didn't know who wrote it. I have seen it attributed to Sheb Wooley as the writer. He recorded it, but I often find on the internet that people attribute the song to the artist whose recording they hear, not realizing it may be a cover. It is on his album 'Warm and Wooley' and credited to him as the writer from what I can tell.

Can anyone confirm?

What sent me on this search was listening to John Prine's "Glory of True Love", realizing he 'stole the tune' and was about to post Prine's song to a music group and comment that the tune was not original, but was Utah's. Gonna hold off on posting that until I have a clearer idea of who did write and/or score "I Remember Loving You."


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 May 16 - 03:33 AM

Hi, Janie - the official attribution is what's in the Digital Tradition:
    Written by Luigi del Puppo and Tino Chumlovich and collected from del Puppo at Nelson, BC 13 Aug. 1970

That's the official word from Bruce "Utah" Phillips and his family. I have heard from people who knew Bruce, that they suspect that del Puppo and Chumlovich are products of Bruce's imagination, and that Bruce Phillips is the actual author.

I'm sure Mark Ross will have an informed opinion. Everybody around these parts knew Utah Phillips (my wife is in a meditation group with his widow), but Mark is one who really knew Bruce.

At the direction of our publisher, Hal Leonard, on the Rise Again songbook, we put "words & music: Utah Phillips. Copyright 1975 (renewed), On Strike Music. All rights administered by Music Management, PO Box 174, Pleasantville NY 10570."

And that's where we got our license from.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Mark Ross
Date: 21 May 16 - 11:55 AM

They were real. They wrote the song when they were in jail the original chorus was "I remember loving you, and I've had quite a few.....". Utah changed the chorus and added the last verse. It was originally collected by a Canadian folklorist, Phil....(?), can't remember the last name, who Utah learned it from at the Spokane Folklife/Expo in '74.

Mark Ross


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: GUEST,Jon Bartlett
Date: 22 May 16 - 02:06 AM

Correct, Mark Ross. It was written by Luigi del Puppo and Tino Chumlovich while in jail at Nelson BC. It was collected from Luigi (along with other songs - funny that no-one asks "what other songs?") by Phil Thomas, the noted BC collector, 13 August 1970. I worked with Phil for many years, transcribing his original tapes, making a set to go in the BC Sound Archives, and editing the 2nd edition of his book, Songs of the Pacific Northwest.

Luigi said at the time that he had sold it to Terry Roberts, and that Sheb Wooley had recorded it. I have not heard the Wooley version, nad would like a reference for it.

I was hired (with Utah and Diane Campbell) as a Host of the Folklife Festival at Expo 74 in Spokane, WA, spending the whole summer there. I had sung the song there, as had Diane, and Phil and Hilda, when they performed there, also sang it. Utah could have got it from any of us. he then added verses, and changed some of the existing text, and from this thread I presume that Priscilla did, too.

Here are the original words collected from Luigi, together with his comments: anything changed or added is from Utah and/or Priscilla/and/or Sheb Wooley and/or Terry Roberts:

ITEM 067                     LOVIN' YOU

Well I look at my brown suitcase
And I think of all the places that I been
The railroad yards the prison guards
And the dumpy little towns that I been in
The whisperin' of the people
As they watch every move that I go through
I remember all these things
But mostly I remember lovin' you

Chorus
I remember lovin' you
Out of all the girls I knew
Yes and I've had quite a few
But I remember lovin' you

Now the Indians smell so the people tell
When we're huddled in the boxcar from the rain
Flashing lights that cut the night
And the railroad bull that kicked me off the train
When the north wind blows and the winter's cold
I huddle in the corner till I'm blue
I remember all these things
But mostly I remember lovin' you

Chorus (twice)

PT: You and...
LP: Tino Chumlovich
PT: I see, and you play in a band here in Nelson, and the fellow you sold - who has the copyright to it is...
LP: Terry Roberts,..it's been sold...it's hit Nashville already,this song
PT: Is that right, eh?
LP: Sheb Wooley sang it
PT: Do they change the words at all?
LP: I heard it on TV
PT: Do they sing the same words, or do they change them at all?
LP: They have different orchestration
PT: Yeah – what's this "Indian smell" bit? This is all, piled in the boxcar - this guy you happened - does this go back to an actual situation you were in, do you remember?
LP: That's right. Well, I wasn't at this - Tino was heavy on this last verse
PT: I see. That was his thing, and he remembered being piled in a boxcar and this one guy was a little bit smelly, eh?
LP: Yeah.

Jon Bartlett


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: GUEST
Date: 22 May 16 - 02:10 AM

Some time back I did a search and found a obit/grave location for one of them, del Puppo I think. Drew a blank on the other name. Maybe I'll run it again.


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Subject: RE: Req:I remember loving you Utah P Priscilla Herdman
From: Janie
Date: 22 May 16 - 08:02 AM

Thanks to all. Jon, here is a link to Sheb Wooley's recording. It was in his 1969 album, "Warm and Wooley." I Remember Loving You Sheb Wooley


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