BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 08:45 AM

I don't understand why Ake thinks that permitting same-sex marriage would cause health problems.

Surely, if his proposal that gay men, in particular, carry a higher-than-normal risk of HIV and other STD infections because of a supposed 'promiscuous' lifestyle is to be believed, commitment to a single partner through marriage would cause a reduction of that risk?

In which case, on that basis alone, isn't single-sex-marriage a cause worth fighting for?

Of course, that isn't the only basis to be applied, fairness and equality are the most important drivers, but I find objections on the grounds of 'health and societal grounds' somewhat illogical.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 08:05 AM

Here it is again:

Ake:"There has been no studies done, but it has been muted that there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual "marriage."

Do you really believe it's the lousy grammar, punctuation and embarrassing misuse of the English language that people object to in that sentence?

Guess again.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 07:00 AM

"When I was married, male homosexual practice was a criminal offence.
I opposed this legislation."

Looks pretty clear to me. Some may think it is simply lack of comprehension that makes you misrepresent what others say Ian, but I believe that you are a serial liar.
Keith has kindly pointed out the error of your comment, perhaps he knows you as well as I do after the torrent of lies HE has been subjected to on other threads.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 06:27 AM

I favour marriage to my wife myself, but that's the point isn't it. Nobody should care what somebody's view is of something that has no bearing on them, no effect on them and no, it is not respectable to oppose equal right to marriage.

Holding a bigoted view makes you a bigot so far as that view is concerned. If you can't understand the words you use Keith, do us all a favour and leave the debate to the grown ups. Opposing the rights of others is bigotry. Full stop Finis.

Let's see what he said, as you hope people won't bother seeing why you call me a liar.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 10 Oct 14 - 02:12 PM

Final exception for Bill.
When I was married, male homosexual practice was a criminal offence.
I opposed this legislation.
Marriage was clearly defined by Church and State as between 1 man and 1 woman.
As the years passed, the State came under pressure from the homosexual lobby, chiefly in the media, to allow civil union then "marriage" between two people of the same gender.
Legislation to allow this redefinition has been adopted in a minority of countries and in a minority of States in some countries.
This is clearly a redefinition of formal marriage.

The established Church in the UK (Church of England) has not accepted this redefinition, nor has the Church of Scotland, or the Catholic Church.

I was not married in Church and as an atheist I oppose the legislation on the obvious health and societal grounds.

In the country and area where I live, my views are the views of a lather large majority.




Twice there, he said he opposed "this legislation" The second time, he is fully unambiguous and gives reasons, (odd ones that do not have any basis in fact but whatever) as to why.

As you obviously read his disgusting diatribe, kindly stop calling a liar, and either deplore bigotry or say you support it.

Your choice.

Perhaps we need someone like that Keith A of Hertford who when reading someone say "my views are the views of a rather large majority" he would ask for proof. Or have you used your beloved google and found proof???

You are as bad as him. Perhaps worse, because he has no shame. You add hypocrisy to the charge sheet.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 06:21 AM

Why bring race into it Ian?
Can you imagine any prominent black person trying to make a case for the disenfranchisement of their race?

You are being ridiculous, this is a serious issue for many people regarding the future of society.

I state again, I always opposed the criminalisation of homosexuals, just as I oppose this homosexual "marriage" legislation.

You are a "liberal" Fascist who wishes to punish all who disagree with you. Your slurs against women, old people, and various other groups are easily found on these pages....their crime? To have questioned your views.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 05:28 AM

Keith. He said he opposed the law that legalised marriage, not laws that outlawed it. Read his fucking post.

I did, and you accused him of "Preferring it when it was a criminal offence to be gay"
A lie Musket.
Why do you do that?

Many people disagree with SSM, including as Ake has shown some intelligent and thoughtful gay folk.
Holding that view does not make someone a bigot.
As you know I favour SSM, but would discuss the issue not just abuse people like you do.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 04:43 AM

:0)....How can you be so sensitive about punctuation and grammar, but not etymology?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 04:30 AM

Sorry about the typos in my last post, but three in on line is, I agree a bit much :0), but do they deserve such an accolade?

We all make errors in our typing and I had a very busy and trying day.
Apologies, you sensitive little darlings.
How about addressing the issue of legal action against anyone who does not support the legislation to legalise homosexual "marriage"....just for a little light relief.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 03:13 AM

Fascinating what you read.

The decent common sense approach by the vast majority of people on this thread is heartening. Mind you, if you read akenaton's posts, combining hatred towards millions of people who haven't had the unfortunate opportunity of meeting him and having reason to return the favour with some rambling stuff about me hating women, old people, people born outside wedlock and other scattergun nonsense, you can make your own mind up.

And most have.

It's the ones who seem to defend the idea of not having equal access to society's institutions and norms who I can't understand. I don't mean him. I am not qualified to comment on the basis for his personality disorder not indeed the similar attitude found amongst people of limited intelligence.

No. I genuinely cannot understand

A) Hiding behind a religious objection, when it is clear that this is pure interpretation in order to try to make odious views look respectable.

B) Genuinely enlightened people with a personal attitude not dissimilar to mine or many others on this thread who are comfortable all the same being associated with religious organisations who preach that gay people are second class and should not be afforded the same rights and access as others.

If I were a Christian or Muslim or took my (genuine) membership of The Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster seriously, I'd wonder what my association was being used for?

(Actually, we Pastafarians have no problem with having chicken both in the pasta and the sauce. The Noodly One has no interest in the bedroom of acolytes, but enjoys photos of them on Tumblr all the same.)

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 02:45 AM

Today, Sunday, October 12, 2014, a Federal Judge in Alaska struck down the same-sex marriage ban that had been in place in Alaska since 1998.

Alaska Governor Parnell (Republican) says the state will appeal.

Funny that 100% of the gay and lesbian friends I have are overjoyed. Translation: They ain't agin' it.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Mrrzy
Date: 13 Oct 14 - 01:42 AM

But your gods should stay out of my civil contract of marriage. This is supposed to be the Land of Freedom from religious bigotry...

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 10:39 PM

And the Christian folks who want to quote the bible even our Lord tossed out parts. How about the lady caught in adultery, bible said to stone her, what did jesus say.. Look it up
How about 'that which you do to the least of my brothers you do to me' perhaps judging other's is not the path. God made lots of different people.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 10:31 PM

Besides doesn't everyone have the right to be as miserable as us heterosexual married people... :) kidding I am kidding don't tell my Mrs

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Jeri
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 08:37 PM

"(CNN) -- The U.S. Supreme Court cleared the way Monday for legal same-sex marriages in five more states.

The court refused to hear cases from the states -- Oklahoma, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin and Indiana -- seeking to keep their same-sex marriage bans in place."
...

Meanwhile, back to "stupid":

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 08:00 PM

Ake: "There has [?] been no studies done, but it has been muted [?] that there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual 'marriage.'"

Not where I live, Ake.

What planet did you say you're on?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 07:48 PM

Ake:"There has been no studies done, but it has been muted that there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual "marriage."

You've posted a lot of ignorant horse shit on this subject but the sentence above takes the cake.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 07:29 PM

Oh, and fifth, I note your omission of the closing quotation marks after the word "marriage". Does that mean you are now half-persuaded that you can type "gay marriage" without throwing up, or are you, as I suspect, just an illiterate twat?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 07:23 PM

There has been no studies done, but it has been muted that there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual "marriage.

Several things. First, there have been no studies done (really, I should stop there). Second, it has been mooted. I wish you could be bloody muted, bigot, and I'm not just mooting that. Third, "it has been muted/mooted" (jeez) is weasel words. Fourth, I don't give a damn who "supports" or who "doesn't support" gay marriage. The argument is whether it's right or wrong, not how many people support it or not. I know that gay marriage is a brilliant thing and I don't care whether I'm the only bloke in Christendom who thinks so when it comes to deciding whether it's right or wrong. On the day the UK abolished the death penalty, five people in six still supported hanging. They were all wrong, weren't they? When it comes to deciding whether a thing is right or wrong, the public view is the last resort. What you want and what is right are two entirely different things. Any Christian could tell you that. Think Jesus and Barabbas!

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 07:13 PM

So because Akenaton found someone with a view that is not shared by most, bigotry must be acceptable eh?

Keith. He said he opposed the law that legalised marriage, not laws that outlawed it. Read his fucking post.

Marriage is marriage. We have equality. Celebrate and kick sand in the faces of worms who think they are better than you.

Halley fucking luwlya.

There is no legitimate view against equality as law is constructed on that premise in The UK. This thread is about a court having a similar outlook in The US.

Bigotry, apologists for bigotry and credibility on religious grounds are things of the past.

All we need now is for people to be able to go about their lives without being confronted by the lying shit and hate thst used to be acceptable and we can all enjoy the good life we have. In case nobody noticed, globally speaking we have all won the lottery so less argument about how to divvy up the winnings.

Oh, and less seedy puerile interest in the bedrooms of others eh Alex? We can club together and buy you some gay porn to satisfy your curiosity if it shuts you up.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 07:03 PM

""Individual rights are not subject to a public vote; a majority has no right to vote away the rights of a minority; the political function of rights is precisely to protect minorities from oppression by majorities (and, the smallest minority on earth is the individual).""
Ayn Rand

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Greg F.
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:58 PM

there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual "marriage.

Prove this BS statement or shut the frack up, Pharoah.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:50 PM

I agree wholeheartedly with Mrrzy's post just above.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:34 PM

There are a multitude of reasons for "belittling" attitudes towards accepting folks who do not fit society's "traditional" mold, Ake. I dont know the blokes you quote, nor the underlying reasons why they have such negative feelings towards people who merely have loving feelings towards each other and merely wish to join with traditional society? But, I admit, as it seems odd, and my gut tells me to suspect that there is more underneath this story than we know.

However, I have a greater understanding as to why you put these viewpoints forward as being notable. ;)

BTW, did you not indicate earlier that you were not posting to this thread anymore? A question: what woke the genie?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Mrrzy
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 05:44 PM

Why is marriage in "quotation marks" above?

Stop calling it gay marriage and start calling it marriage equality. The basic issue is, do human grownups have a right to enter a legal civil contract (such as marriage) without the goverment looking under their skirts or into their pants, and the answer is, Yes.

What religions do with the *sacrament* part of it is up to the individual churches/mosques/synaguogues/temples/oak groves/grottoes/whatevers, but they should not have a say in a legal contract between 2 adults.

Furthermore, what *y'all* think should have no bearing on *our* contract, and vice-versa. Even less so what you believe about deity, who isn't in the civil contract anyway, only in the sacrament.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 05:05 PM

Looks like Ian is going to be busy reporting criminals to the UK police.
Mr Sewell, Mr Starkey and Mr Peirce are three prominent UK homosexuals who are totally opposed to homosexual "marriage".....are they also bigots ED??....are they stupid, hate filled, Neanderthals?
There has been no studies done, but it has been muted that there is a majority of homosexuals who do not support homosexual "marriage.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 04:21 PM

I get your last post BillD.

I suspect the concept you state is simplististic, as those who dislike and fear the impact of gays being increasingly accepted in western societies come at it from a variety of perspectives (some more understandable than others). However, except in remote and "clanish" societies (and, among some extreme religious groups), statistics show the fear is dinishing and acceptance is growing rapidly. This is likely frustrating for some folks, who grab at any odd argument to reinforce their backward and hateful beliefs, in an attempt to look less prejuduced among "those more enlightened" .

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 04:13 PM

"Whilst I'm at it...

Your question about marriage and gender John. Ask one of those you seem to be defending the same question. See if your pop at me for having a go at them is such a good idea once they have answered you. Alternatively, look at what they have put on this thread and others.."

I wasn't actually having a pop at you, Musket, just saying that my experience of those I know personally who claim to be Christians (as distinct from those who claim on here to be Christians and whom I don't know from Adam!), and that's quite a few, is that they don't generally preach about loving thy neighbour etc, and they're no more prone to being judgmental of others than anyone else. That's not saying that no Christian does those things, but it seems unfair to generalise.

And, although I try not to get involved in this kind of argument, I lurk and read a lot of this stuff and my perception is that Christians are regarded by certain posters as being 'fair game' in a way that Muslims aren't. Again, I have neighbours and acquaintances who are Muslims and I see no differences between them, and people of other faiths or none - they are all just people, with all of the usual human qualities, traits and failings.

And........errrmmmm.......my Christian friends (at least the ones I've discussed the subject with, which admittedly isn't every one of them) agree with me - that two human beings have every right to happiness, and that includes a relationship solemnised by marriage rites should they so wish, irrespective of gender. Not the 'Official Party Line' I guess, but their personal opinion, of which I wholeheartedly approve!

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 03:58 PM

Bill....you are really struggling my friend    :0)

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 03:56 PM

"I hate bigotry" says Ian, but in reality he is the biggest bigot on the forum. What he hates, is everything and everybody who impedes his one issue agenda.

Mr Sewell is a homosexual, I admire him tremendously for his clear sightedness in understanding the myth of "equality" and in this particular society, that REAL equality is proscribed and inequality encouraged.
What Mr Sewell is saying is that Homosexual "marriage" and Heterosexual marriage are not "equal", in fact they are very different, for the reasons he has given. He also states that most homosexuals want nothing to do with "gay marriage" and that the issue is pressed by vociferous activists like you, who may or may not be homosexual, are backed by a devious political class and a media which demonises any opposition.

You are a confirmed liar Ian, I think most here have grasped that fact by now, so I will not waste space responding to your idiotic slurs. You have proved yourself to be a hate filled creature, demeaning women, elderly people, those born out of wedlock, decent civil Christian people, and personally insulting many members of this forum, of whom you know absolutely nothing.
You are a Fascist of the worst kind, one who hides behind the banner of liberalism......a stain on decent liberal people everywhere.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Bill D
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 03:17 PM

"Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton - PM
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 12:55 PM

A "queer" intellectual's views on homosexual "marriage""

Well, that's one opinion. He feels that 'civil unions' are sufficient. Many who are gay or lesbian feel that limiting them to just 'civil unions' perpetuates a clear UNequal status.... and in the US, it specifically does. Certain rights are NOT usually recognized without legal marriage.

Those who oppose gay marriage mostly do so out of some subjective 'feeling' that their own status is compromised by extending the right to all... but they are, *I* believe, just using the idea of 'definition' to feel in some way superior. NOTHING about your status changes just because some neighbor or relative.. or your local clergyman of woman.. 'marries' someone of the same sex. You don't have to do anything different, and no one asks you to be on familiar terms with anyone you don't feel comfortable with. But if you DID feel comfortable with them before... what has changed? Suppose they were married without your knowledge, then suddenly told you? Are you suddenly offended?

The guy in Ake's link throws in a lot of subjective religious concepts to explain his attitude, but it really just comes down to "I don't like it."

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:59 PM

Musket, it is fact that the churches do not accept SSM.
I have no objection to anyone stating that fact.
You were being dishonest in stating that Ake "preferred it when it was a criminal offence to be gay"
He has stated that he opposed that law.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:45 PM

Most who worry about gay people are unsure of their own sexuality I think. I am not gay and Iddon't care about those who are. God made all kinds of people I think

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:45 PM

Rock on Dan

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: olddude
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:42 PM

I am always wary of people who run up any religious flag. I think my faith in God is quite strong and I don't know about others but Jesus was about all people. There is no place for bigotry or hatred. I think the supreme court is on a roll.. One right non decision. People are born the way they are what reason to discriminate

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:34 PM

Keith. Your posts would have more credibility if instead of pointing out only one claimed christian (pete) opposes same sex marriage, you would, as you occasionally point out your christian faith is a guide, tackle those such as Akenaton who stated on this thread that your church rejected it and that it is against what you believe in.

If I heard somebody say that Sheffield Wednesday fans were really Sheffield Utd fans, I doubt I'd gloss over it whilst picking somebody up on a pedantic point...

If you include Guest, that's three people saying you can't be a christian and support same sex marriage as legitimate. Don to date is the only one saying that same sex marriage is legitimate and in line with christian values.

Any idea why I dismiss religious perspectives as having any credibility?

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 02:18 PM

Yes. I hate bigotry. You have thrown in posts where you say that you preferred it when it was a criminal offence to be gay. You tell lies about marriage being irrelevant because of high promiscuity in gay people. You say it is against Christian teaching then claim you are not a Christian. You usually take two sentences to bring sex into the debate, and by the third sentence talk about the need to protect children.

Equality isn't a myth. It is fact. You don't need to put the word marriage in parantheses because it is every bit as legal, loving and relevant as yours or mine. The only obstacle is prejudice. YOUR fucking prejudice and hate.

you are a disgrace. There is no problem with hating hatred, none at all. Not necessarily you of course. You are a small man with a small mind and irrelevant. But there are still people who set themselves up as craving respectability and leadership who are just as bad. Shouting at you is merely proxy for shouting at people less unimportant.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 01:54 PM

YOU, Ian, are a sack of prejudice.....and hatred.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 01:37 PM

Read the link Ian, it's you he's talking about.....just as I've been saying. The killer line right at the end, about fighting the wrong battle, "equality in everything" is a myth.....the fight should be against "prejudice"

I agree 100% about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 01:33 PM

I think there has only been one Christian, Pete, who has opposed SSM on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 01:16 PM

💨

👃

Can you smell that?

Can't be the dog. His smell awful but this has a festering smell.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 12:55 PM

A "queer" intellectual's views on homosexual "marriage"

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:34 AM

That should read ANTI Muslim stance.. (second sentence, first paragraph.)




Whilst I'm at it...

Your question about marriage and gender John. Ask one of those you seem to be defending the same question. See if your pop at me for having a go at them is such a good idea once they have answered you. Alternatively, look at what they have put on this thread and others..

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:14 AM

Live and let live indeed.

Claiming membership of a church that doesn't exactly do that though isn't exactly in the spirit of it eh? Those who won't countenance a Muslim stance yet have a pop at christians are of course hypocrites. The Islamic stance, fairly widespread, that being gay is wrong puts that stance at odds with decency. Subjugation of women is abhorrent. Mediaeval judgement on others is wicked. I'm surprised you are jumping on the "you wouldn't say that to a Muslim eh?" bandwagon. Straight out of the training manual for door to door God bothering, that one.

However, it those on this thread and others who come out with claiming a "christian" objection to equality that gets my goat. if a Muslim came on with similar crap, they'd get both barrels too.

To be Christian is not to be perfect. But to sit in judgement of others seems to be a sanctimonious stance that makes them more irrelevant than their men in dresses in The House Of Lords claim otherwise. In case you hadn't noticed, we have a system where the Lords Spiritual can scrutinise Parliament, despite having a clause in law allowing them to discriminate on grounds of sexuality.

Live and let Live? I fucking wish..

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:08 AM

And, of course, "Live and let live" is the best guiding principle where individuals' relationships are concerned - if two people want to make their relationship 'official' by means of a marriage ceremony, why should their gender be of concern to anyone else.

Alongside life, happiness is surely at the top of the list of human rights.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 06:01 AM

It's not every Christian who "Rattles on about love thy neighbour and the one about not judging lest ye be judged etc". Most of the ones I know don't. Christians are, in my experience, just as human as anyone else, of any religion and none, and suffer the same human failings.

The only people who seem to expect Christians to be 'perfect' are those who heap scorn on them. The Christians I know are as imperfect as everyone else.

I find it strange that the 'aetheists' (for want of a better term) who delight in Christian-Bashing are the very same ones who leap up instantly to rip out the throat of any poor soul who has the temerity to direct even the slightest criticism at Muslims.

'Live and let live' is a good guiding principle where peoples' beliefs or otherwise are concerned. And I include in that the religious who would impose their specific brand of beliefs on others.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Musket
Date: 12 Oct 14 - 03:25 AM

If pete's bible says some people shouldn't have the same rights and access to services as others, his bible needs editing to bring it in line with the expectations of society. There is nothing "old fashioned" about making it illegal to exist and find happiness. There are no legitimate religious grounds to oppose how people are either.

Marriage is a legal contract. As I said before, churches have a licence from government to conduct marriages not the other way round. Governments, who are the highest authority, decide the terms of marriage. Churches have the same status as some hotels and the Big Dipper at Blackpool Pleasure Beach. Licenced premises.

(Sorry to our US contributors for the local touch, but you get my gist.)

Ed. It is of no significance to me whether they change their views or not. It is the propagation of them that offends, not the likelihood of repeats. As society strives to be just and fair, time will deal with bigotry in its own way. In the meantime, challenge and contempt will suffice.

If I was a Christian I'd possibly be rattling on about love thy neighbour and the one about not judging lest ye be judged etc. hypocrisy was never my strong point.

👹

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Oct 14 - 06:38 PM

"Tortured soul," pete?

Where did you get that half-assed idea?

I am quite at peace with the entire universe as it is, and with God, as I perceive this entity to be. It's Bible-thumpers such as yourself who seem to be plagued by doubts, which is why you feel compelled to keep thumping away.

I have yet to meet a fundamentalist who wasn't fundamentally afraid of Life.

Interesting remark by Pastor Cindy of Central Lutheran Church: "His mind is so fixed on getting to heaven that he is of no earthly use to himself or anyone else!"

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 14 - 05:42 PM

Poopie poopie-that was just to turn Musket on:)

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Oct 14 - 05:40 PM

No, appeasement from me or most other Mudcat posters, Musket, just because I (they) do not subscribe to your similar approach from thread to thread.

IMO, such approaches does little to change bigots-but, more likely encourages them to be firmer in their position. It more likely closes the doors of those who may learn something through civil discussion.

Subject: RE: BS: Supreme Court & gay marriage decision
From: Mrrzy
Date: 11 Oct 14 - 05:33 PM

What do we think about Kansas not following the law?