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BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation

Ebbie 17 Oct 14 - 08:27 PM
Greg F. 17 Oct 14 - 08:42 PM
olddude 17 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM
Jeri 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM
Bill D 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM
Rapparee 17 Oct 14 - 09:31 PM
olddude 17 Oct 14 - 09:48 PM
Ebbie 17 Oct 14 - 10:00 PM
Mrrzy 17 Oct 14 - 11:17 PM
GUEST,# 18 Oct 14 - 08:34 AM
Lighter 18 Oct 14 - 01:56 PM
Mrrzy 18 Oct 14 - 02:37 PM
Lighter 18 Oct 14 - 04:01 PM
Jack the Sailor 18 Oct 14 - 04:51 PM
Mrrzy 18 Oct 14 - 06:35 PM
GUEST,mg 18 Oct 14 - 07:10 PM
Q (Frank Staplin) 18 Oct 14 - 07:18 PM
Lighter 18 Oct 14 - 07:36 PM
Mrrzy 18 Oct 14 - 08:09 PM
Mrrzy 18 Oct 14 - 08:10 PM
LadyJean 18 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM
Mrrzy 18 Oct 14 - 09:32 PM
Rapparee 18 Oct 14 - 10:03 PM
GUEST,Rahere 18 Oct 14 - 11:05 PM
mg 18 Oct 14 - 11:59 PM
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Lighter 19 Oct 14 - 07:23 AM
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Subject: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:27 PM

On Facebook today, they are discussing Ebola and its dangers. Here's what this person said:

Kelly W. Hunt I'm in Dallas and I'm a medical professional. This is real.
5 hrs · Like · 2

Elva Bontrager (Ebbie) Of course, it is real but it isn't spread as easily as the flu or the common cold..
5 hrs · Like

Kelly W. Hunt: Wrong. Its spread much easier. It's about the concentration per droplet. Say the flu or a cold has the power of 1000 virus molecules per droplet? Ebola has 10,000 per droplet and it lives outside the host much longer than a cold or flu.
And the doctors I work for are extremely skeptical of the airborne theory. How do all the children come in contact??
39 mins · Like · 1

Elva Bontrager: Until you "medical professionals" get it together you are doing a tremendous disservice to the people of this country. Making such explosive statements WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION OR OTHER EVIDENCE is simple fear mongering, and unless and until you present such documentation you need to stop.

******
What is the thinking on this in the Mudcat pond?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:42 PM

The thinking is there's way too much bullshit being bandied about on this issue.

We certainly don't need to add more to the mix.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM

But we don't have to swallow the bs pill the government is selling either Greg. Two highly trained nurses got it with protection ya see


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Jeri
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM

Here's a Material Safety Data Sheet for the Ebola virus.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:25 PM

My son is asst. manager of a surplus type store in the Wash DC suburbs.
He says that they have had a serious increase in the number of people seeking to acquire.....gas masks!
He has explained that, although they will sell what they want, gas masks are irrelevant in ebola prevention. It does little good, because so many simply will not read & understand how ebola is transmitted. They have sold a number of gas masks.

Like many other issues, pure & simple ignorance is rampant.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:31 PM

Jeez. I've read and re-read the WHO and CDC recommendations. I promise not the have sex with an Ebola patient while eating a fruit bat or a chimpanzee.

Chongo is safe for now.

I wish that people would learn to use good sense, but I also wish I had a million billion dollars and a palomino pony and a real fireman's hat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: olddude
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 09:48 PM

Agree no reason for panic but no reason to believe everything you hear either. Like wmd in Iraq


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 10:00 PM

Rap, if you had a million billion dollars, I say you should buy your own stinkin' palomino pony and real fireman's hat. sheeeesh


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Oct 14 - 11:17 PM

I had a thoughtful post with lots of links in it, which worked fine when I checked it after work, but which isn't here now?
    Hi, Mrrzy. There are no deleted messages in this thread, but yet it sounds like your message isn't one of those that simply didn't "take." For years, we've heard reports of disappearing messages, and we haven't found the source of the problem. But we're still looking....but the problem is, they disappear without a trace.
    -Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:34 AM

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0903696.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 01:56 PM

The nurses didn't "get it with protection" except in the sense that they were wearing inadequate protection when they got it.

Their necks were exposed, and they were exposed to a dying man who was bleeding, projectile vomiting, etc., etc.

THINK ABOUT IT. The family under quarantine, with whom he lived with the disease for several days - including his fiancee - is virtually at the end of the incubation period and in spite of all that NO ONE IS SICK. And none of them were wearing *any* protection at all

They wore NO protection, and his dirty sheets, towels and linen were in the house with them for several more days.

That and the fact that you're not infectious until you're very sick.

Hence the OK for the undiagnosed nurse running one degree of fever to return to Dallas. As public relations, of course, it was a disaster.

These are things that should be emphasized.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 02:37 PM

Well, yes, but it's not OK for someone running a fever during a quarantine period to be out of quarantine. Even with something hard to catch, when that something can't be treated, let alone cured.

But yeah, if the family didn't catch it, and they are out of the incubation period now I do believe - he first got sick 9/24, so the 15th was day 21 - then even people within the outbreak area can relax some.

It is demonstrably hard to get, even with contact with bodily fluids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:01 PM

The nurse, however, wasn't "under quarantine." Only the family members were quarantined.

Presumably the ICU team was not quarantined because first, they'd been wearing protective gear, and second, as professionals they could be relied on to monitor their temperatures and report any symptoms.

Which is precisely what they did.

Of a reported seventy members of the team, only two fell ill, even with inadequate protective equipment.

*Sixty-eight* are fine. Of course, there's still some time left in the incubation period, but it seems unlikely at this point that even one more person in the monitored group will get sick. It would be tragic if anyone did, but it would still be far from an "Ebola outbreak in America."

Meanwhile, a school in Maine has been closed because a teacher went to Dallas and stayed at a hotel ten miles from the hospital.

The real story, beside the apparent unpreparedness, is the *heroism* of the team that did everything in their power, under horrible conditions, to save Thomas Duncan's life. Two heroic nurses, Nina Pham and Amber Vinson, are suffering terribly for it now.

They could have said they weren't going near him.

And the bigger story, of course, is that the world needs to make sure Ebola is stopped in West Africa before it really can cause outbreaks elsewhere. Anyone treating an Ebola patient is a real hero in my book.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Jack the Sailor
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 04:51 PM

Olddude No doubt the Nurses were highly trained, probably with Bsc Or Ms degrees. I saw the head of the CDC interviewed last Sunday. He said that all of our hospitals have protocols, including the one in Dallas. Most likely the nurse in Dallas got the disease by touching eyes or mouth after getting the infection on her fingers while taking off her suit. Of course I have no special knowledge.

I would say that if Kelly W. Hunt is who she says she is, her misinformation may save her life. If she thinks she can get Ebola from say, a toilet seat or a doorknob, she is likely to be careful enough to take off her decontamination suit without touching infected bodily fluids.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 06:35 PM

The cruise ship person is some poor soul from the lab who handled the blood with no extra precautions, not a nurse, no direct contact with the blood unless they weren't even following AIDS protocols which I doubt, but they *were* under "voluntary" quarantine and should have volunteered to stay home, sorry, they can sue the hospital for the lost vacation but shouldn't have gone on a voyage. In a vessel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:10 PM

I fail to see how in some dire circumstances you would not catch ebola from a toilet seat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:18 PM

Information and Misinformation with a large share of the latter in this thread.

This from Center for Disease Control (cdc.gov.). "Interim guidance for environmental infection control in hospitals for Ebola virus." August 1, 2014.

Direct contact with body fluids, etc.
The role of the environment in transmission has not been established.
Limited lab studies show that the Ebola virus can remain viable on solid surfaces, with concentrations falling over several days.
A list of recommendations for hospitals follows.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 07:36 PM

> The role of the environment in transmission has not been established.

Meaning what?

> can remain viable on solid surfaces

Same question. Even if "viable" means "infectious," the virus evidently can only get on that surface from a very sick person or a person who's just come into contact with one, and has touched the surface with the virus on his skin.

Ebola is not a very new disease. It has been studied for nearly 40 years.

You are far more likely to be killed by a bus or a handgun or lightning in America than by Ebola.

For now, anyway.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:09 PM

Unless you live in the wrong parts of Guinea, Sierra Leone or Liberia.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:10 PM

Oops my apologies lighter you said In America and I glossed right over it. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM

Fox News is making serious hay out of the Ebola scare. I'm hoping people will upchuck outside their headquarters in New York. It would serve them right. One doesn't need to have Ebola to upchuck, after all. But if they are that paranoid.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, a bunch of West Africans that have been here the whole time! They would freak!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 10:03 PM

Anyone who disagrees with me in any way transmits Ebola hemorrhagic fever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:05 PM

The first problem is the News media itself. These are run by journalists who only know journalism, and see their function either as moderators or provocateurs, sometimes both, run to reinforce either the social norm, however they perceive it, or their company's policy, and in the last resort their own self-interest, if they see a Pulitzer Prize in it.

The first-level social norm is the policy set by the Government, which is and always will be "Don't Panic" - even if you should. The academic research corpus, for example, has demonstrated airborne transmission between pigs and chimps, making it somewhat specious to suggest it cannot be transmitted by aerosol human-human. I cannot, on the other hand, say definitively that it will, but only that it is possible, and therefore the precautionary principle applies. The scientific references I supplied about a week back on the original "tracking ebola" thread.

Secondly, the norms by which these journalists work are less than rigourous. I was just watching one compare the R0 infectuousness of ebola (2) with measles (4) and SARS (18), to show it's not something we should be scared of. What she fails to take into account is the lethality of each, and so seeks to minimise something most serious. Time after time after time the Press seem to think there is a treatment for Ebola, just because Doctors are there: the reality is that there is not. Similarly, there are no end of statements suggesting the casualty rate will get to "10 000 a week" before it starts to drop. This is Wizard of Oz conman tactics, "with one leap he was free", without explaining how. The simple reality is more likely to be that this will continue in West Africa until one of two things happens: there are no more people to be infected, or the population, faced with a complete collapse of the economic structure by which they are fed and cared for, flees, taking the disease with them. This was exactly the mechanism by which the Black Death spread so rapidly in 1348, it was not simply the rat flea as a vector, rats only travelling short distances, but humans carrying the incubating disease which the local rat fleas then spread locally once they got to the point where they could travel no more. Once we start getting humanitarian pleas to take refugees, this time we must say no: we do not know the infectuousness of any individual, but en masse we can be certain that someone somewhere will be infected. Nor can we use some kind of quarantine camp, as the camp is only as good as the date the last inmate arrived, plus 21 days.

The third dynamic is the failure of international diplomacy in the UN. The African Nations are asking why the rest of the world waited until now, without realising that had we gone in at the first sign of trouble, we'd have been accused of all kinds of murder and mayhem, indeed giving tangible justification to the malicious tongues which accused the West of causing it in the first place.

We should always back up the need to exercise scientific standards with the precautionary principle, which is basically don't chance it if you don't know. Both President Obama and the UK's Chief Scientific Officer, when they said that it cannot be communicated by air, demonstrated that they don't know and therefore failed in their duty to express the need to be carefully prudent.

Yet another example happened in the explanation of the "clipboard man" at the airport. It was explained that he was a supervisor of the team working with the patient, because the visibility within one of those suits is limited, his task being to add the visual supervision (literally) that nothing slipped. Yet he himself became part of the problem, taking a bottle which only the patient could have handled, the rest of the team being sealed in their suits. If she handled it, then it carried her saliva, which was certainly contaminated, and he therefore handled something contaminated out of normal cooperative instinct. He should have refused to take it. He failed in himself. The Press swallowed the "official" line just because it was passed down from on high. The only thing we can know now is that the edicts of the Governments are in their own interest, and will be increasingly spun: the amount of spin being an indicator of the gravity of cover-up. Maybe things are improving, for example in the case of Amber Vinson, details were released to the Press within 24 hours of her reporting ill: but is even that fast enough?

We cannot take chances with this one, because we have no cure for it and it is highly lethal. We did so at the start, and it got out of control: the only way to be sure, to be sure, to be sure, is to copy that Irishman and put three condoms on. Or rather, triple-glove. There is a difference, for example, between the English protocol, where the patient is hermetically sealed under negative pressure at all times, and the American one: for example, the room Amber Vinson is in has wooden window fittings. The isolation rooms in the hospital I was intensively involved in, the European Cancer Centre the Bordet Institute, do not, because they have a granular surface which can absorb germs. I'm not talking about food-level hygiene, but medical, and it's details like that which must be picked up on to avoid the risk of leaving contaminant harbours behind. Were the floor surfaces curved at the skirting, to avoid diseased material getting trapped in the angles? Didn't look like it. If the norms aren't right from the start, then deaths can follow.

It may be too late to correct: but until we know it for sure, it's time for some long-term planning to be made, with provision for scaled escalation, so we don't leaave everything until it's too late. About a quarter of a mile from where I live, for example, is one of London's quarantine hospitals used in the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak, with provision for tens of hundreds of patients: we also have a Malaysian teaching hospital a mile away. It still only has two entrances, and has a supermarket and medical centre on site: I wonder whether the people who bought the flats it was converted into have any idea that to me, it looks very possible that of this were to get out of control, they may be asked to move out while the site reverts to its original use. The Colney Hatch asylum, also not far away, is also a huge block with huge grounds which could be further developed extensively: it's been sold to Footballers Wives circles, at a huge markup, but if the devil drives...

It's called getting our ducks in a row, and at the moment, they're still not. Maybe we won't need it, but better to prepare and not need it than to have improvise in the teeth of chaos. Prior planning and proper preparation prevent piss-poor performance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: mg
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:59 PM

What is a reasonably safe distance to be from a patient? How can we get patients out of a third floor apartment and to a treating center..what do we do about. Bodies in the street. What tools are there now for not touching a body. How do you wrap it before the body. Bag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 12:14 AM

Well thought through, Rahere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 02:20 AM

Rahere's insight is good and it's well stated. I'm sure s/he is not being literal with this statement: "...policy set by the Government, which is and always will be "Don't Panic" - even if you should."

Just want to point out that I know of no situation or event that panic makes better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:23 AM

People who say that at this point the government will say anything to avert panic are people who are starting to panic already.

Have you heard that Ebola is a virus transmitted mainly by email? Don't click that link!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:31 AM

Meanwhile, CNN reports that the cruise ship passenger has landed at Galveston and been cleared by the local public health authorities as affording "no health risk."

She's passed the 21-day incubation period and she and her companion (who may have as well) both feel fine.

Of course the media are stoking the anxiety: "Ebola fear rips through Ohio!" That was the headline. The story was that a TSA officer who had been wearing gloves while patting Amber Vinson's outer clothing when she was asymptomatic has put him or herself under voluntary monitoring for 21 days.

Can't hurt, right?

But maybe reporting it as "fear ripping through Ohio" can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 08:22 AM

The incident of a woman in Texas getting sick after getting off a train apparently led to a big fuss and full decontamination of the station. Panicky over-reaction alright.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 08:32 AM

Fox News headline:

"Possible Ebola case docks in Galveston!"

Can you guess the details?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 12:28 PM

"The role of the environment in transmission has not
been established."

Rahere gives a small part of the answer, but the CDC means what it says- there is insufficient work done to establish limits to this statement.
Air, water, surfaces, parasites are all being investigated, but full answers cannot be given at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:10 PM

"Here's a Material Safety Data Sheet for the Ebola virus."

Ebola is a BSL-4 substance. There are only about fifty of those facilities in the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:49 PM

Adding to Guest-
BSL-4 defined at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hazard

Levels set by CDC. Level Four- no vaccines available.
Level Four Biolab requires multiple showers, vacuum room, ultraviolet light room, autonomous detection system, multiple airlocks, water decontamination system.

Positive pressure personnel suit with segregated air supply mandatory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:22 PM

Something wrong with the Cat, a posting just disappeared into the wild blue yonder.

I bloody well had better be pretty much on the right track, I was paid for 18 years as one of Europe's crisis managers expected to be able to deal with absolutely anything.

The fault here lies with the politicians. Who cut the Ebola research program? Obama, driven to it by the Republicans. Who just threatened not to give the UK a hearing if we left the EU in matters like the boot up the bum we just gave them on this? Baroso, outgoing President of the Commission, implying that the body will censor the UK's diplomatic mail in clear breach not only of the Warsaw Convention on Diplomacy but also abrogating the entire democratic system in favour of a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. What's a politician? Hubris on a stick.

On the technical front, you're right, except that the vacuum room is actually negative pressure. There are a number of such facilities in the main Banking centres (New York, London, Frankfurt, Tokyo) - the banks' securities depositary vaults. In addition, it should be possible to convert most ICUs in a day or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: mg
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:36 PM

Can you lay out for us what can be done in slum conditions with basically no resources at this time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Bettynh
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:19 PM

An outbreak of ebola came and died out in the Democratic Republic of Congo while the one we're watching grew. Repeated threat kept the people affected informed, Containment was swift and effective. This is the first epidemic for western Africa. The governments involved, if they survive, have a steep learning curve ahead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:05 PM

From the horse's mouth: President of Liberia speaks to BBC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: bobad
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:14 PM

Putting it into perspective: Africa's killers


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 09:03 PM

Both Senegal and Nigeria were able to keep their own outbreaks to only a handful of cases.

One would imagine the U.S. to have a similar capacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 10:28 PM

Right. The. US. Isn't. The. Issue. Neither is Europe.

The issue is trying to keep the graph bobad posted accurate. Once this one is over with we can get back to malaria, which isn't contagious and so while it is a worse killer it might seem not to belong in the discussion.

HIV/AIDS, par contre, is tremendously preventable by education and so is completely relevant to this thread, which is about how superstition gets in the way of health. The people who think it's a western plot don't help either, even if it is faintly possible that a vaccination effort had something to do with getting the virus from monkeys into humans.

I didn't think superstition were hugely in the way of mosquito netting, which is the best prevention for malaria, but apparently it is. So malaria gets back into the problem. Bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:35 PM

"....malaria, which isn't contagious...."

Maybe not in the usual use of the term but it is infectious in the sense that it is transmitted from person to person not directly but through a vector namely the Anopheles mosquito.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:38 PM

Right, not contagious. It is infectious, but that is different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:46 PM

and for those who are ridiculing various conversations on this topic, a 14 year old boy has just won some big prize for very simply drowning mosquitos, preventing their spread...simple simple ways of dealing with an epidemic in an impoverished place are needed. every brain on every continent is needed to be thinking about this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:49 PM

Well, perhaps the people infected with ebola could get aboard the cruise ships (the ones you wanted to use to float Fukushima refugees around the Pacific) and float them around the Atlantic instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:57 PM

Problem with simply drowning mosquitoes, how does one prevent standing water? Hard to keep everything dry around every bucket and barrel, puddle, pond, lake, creek and river...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 03:27 PM

Yeah, seems a little circular to me too, but hey, if it turns out to be that simple, yay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 09:33 PM

There are ways of preventing standing water: no old tires laying around, keep the puddles small, basically don't let water stand around long enough for mosquito larvae to hatch. Stirring standing water will kill the larvae, as they have to have breathing tubes to the surface (really!). Spraying a light coat of oil on the water surface also works, as does detergents and surfactants. But that's in the towns and perhaps the suburbs. I can't see spraying a light coat of oil all over the bayous of Louisiana or the wetlands of Alaska, though.

Another nasty disease is West Nile virus. And Chikungunya, dengue, Rocky Mountain spotter fever, Heartland virus, Lyme disease, and of course good ol' plague (including the septicemic and pneumonoccal varieties. Stay away from insects and animals! Then there's hemorrhagic fever, rhinoviruses, and a lot of other airborne diseases.

Come to think of it, just seal up your house and stay inside for the rest of your life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 01:50 AM

And then the mould will get you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 09:44 PM

Ebbie, there are those who think I'm already moldy.


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