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BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation

Lighter 24 Oct 14 - 06:22 PM
Mrrzy 24 Oct 14 - 02:29 PM
GUEST,mg 24 Oct 14 - 02:10 PM
Mrrzy 24 Oct 14 - 12:35 PM
mg 24 Oct 14 - 11:40 AM
Keith A of Hertford 24 Oct 14 - 05:13 AM
GUEST,Rahere 23 Oct 14 - 07:20 PM
Mrrzy 23 Oct 14 - 06:41 PM
GUEST,Rahere 23 Oct 14 - 06:20 PM
Mrrzy 23 Oct 14 - 05:43 PM
Mrrzy 23 Oct 14 - 05:42 PM
Lighter 23 Oct 14 - 03:32 PM
Mrrzy 23 Oct 14 - 01:39 PM
GUEST,Rahere 23 Oct 14 - 09:46 AM
Rapparee 23 Oct 14 - 09:03 AM
Q (Frank Staplin) 22 Oct 14 - 01:06 PM
GUEST,Rahere 22 Oct 14 - 11:05 AM
Ebbie 22 Oct 14 - 01:55 AM
GUEST,Mrr 21 Oct 14 - 10:30 PM
Ebbie 21 Oct 14 - 10:19 PM
Rapparee 21 Oct 14 - 09:44 PM
Ebbie 21 Oct 14 - 01:50 AM
Rapparee 20 Oct 14 - 09:33 PM
Mrrzy 20 Oct 14 - 03:27 PM
Ebbie 20 Oct 14 - 02:57 PM
GUEST,# 20 Oct 14 - 02:49 PM
GUEST,mg 20 Oct 14 - 01:46 PM
Mrrzy 20 Oct 14 - 01:38 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 06:22 PM

Heroic nurse Nina Pham is reported Ebola-free and has been discharged from the hospital.

Equally heroic Amber Vinson, also free of the virus, is expected to be released soon.

Cameraman Ashoka Mukpo was released a few days ago.

In NYC, Dr. Spencer Craig is reported as being in good spirits. His temperature when he called the medics was 100.3, not "103" as was widely reported.

His fiancee and two others are in quarantine, but he may not have been ill enough to have infected anyone. Shortly before he took his temperature, he'd gone for a three-mile jog.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 02:29 PM

You're right about the brightness of the line. At least, this guy did not think for a minute that he was home free, he knew way better than that! He was worried as all get out and taking his temp all the time.

You really aren't contagious till you have a fever, we do know that, and especially since the wife and kiddies of the Dallas case didn't get it living with him being already horribly ill, NYC really shouldn't worry about what he did before he had a fever, which he called in instantly.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 02:10 PM

but what is the line between having a fever and not having a fever, and if you are not paying attention, thinking you are now home free, do you even notice a minor fever? I think there is not a line of now you are totally safe and now you are totally contagious. I think like almost all of nature, there is going to be a distribution..a few shedding viruses, then a few more, then a whole bunch.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 12:35 PM

NY guy does have ebola, and again, people who don't understand how this virus works are all freaked out that he did stuff before he had a fever.

As soon as he had a fever he called it in. What he did before he had a fever is not problematic. Even if he did go bowling, and out to eat.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: mg
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 11:40 AM

It is destroying the fragile economy of liberia...forty percent of farmers in some area have abandoned their farms...problems with transporting goods. It does not have to affect a population only through the virus. Food shortages are there. Aa


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Oct 14 - 05:13 AM

I think a much smaller number would do it.
It does not have to kill people to stop them turning up for work.
People would stay home to care for children and loved ones, and many would abandon the cities.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 07:20 PM

It's unlikely Ebola could destroy civilisation, it would have to manage 80% plus across wide sectors to destroy key specialities. The plague got near with 50-70% in the feudal civilisation of 1348, but the resolution to that built in greater resilience by allowing craft specialities to appear, which have increased ever since. We also have a massive literature stock to rebuild lost skills. The biggest risk will be from disruption to a just-in-time delivery network, particularly in key continuous process plant.
And if the worst comes to the worst, our skills as acoustic instrumentalists will be in demand for many long evenings with no TV.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:41 PM

I was waiting for an ebola joke!

It's in Mali, and a guy just back from there in NYC has a fever and is being quarantined. Could just be a fever, though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 06:20 PM

"Mother Superior! Mother Superior! Mother Superior!"
"Yes, my sister?"
"Come quick, we've a case of ebola in the convent."
"The Lord be praised! I was getting so sick of that Bordeaux the Bishop sent us..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:43 PM

Oops.

Blicky. .


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 05:42 PM

http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/man-infected-ebola-misinformation-casual-contact-cable-news

a href="http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/man-infected-ebola-misinformation-casual-contact-cable-news">Blicky to same article.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 03:32 PM

I think he's paraphrasing some Glen Beck prophecies on TV.

Beck forecast that Ebola would wipe out one quarter to half of the human race and bring an end to civilization.

Starting now.

It's God's punishment for Obama's handling of Benghazi.

For more, scroll down to the "Screaming Meltdown" video:

http://www.rightwingwatch.org/content/and-so-it-begins-glenn-beck-shemitah-and-end-america


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 01:39 PM

Rapparee, what are you drinking? Or snorting?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:46 AM

Misinformation connection: if they can do that with the kids, can you trust them on our health?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Oct 14 - 09:03 AM

OH NO THIS IS JUST LIKE THE BLACK DEATH IN 1348 AND EVERYONE IN EUROPE WILL DIE AND ALSO IN THE U.S. AND CANADA AND EVERYWHERE ELSE!!!!

Quick! REPENT!! And buy ammunition!!! And guns!!!! So you'll b e ready when the ebola comes for you!!!!!

When the Ebola Comes for You -- an interesting song title. Perhaps in 3/4 time...accented like a waltz...or heavy metal....


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 01:06 PM

Ebola connection?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 11:05 AM

As a test of misinformation, we have at the moment the supposedly neutral BBC headlining the unsuitability of Fiona Woolf as Head of the Government Child Abuse Enquiry, with some victims depositing a legal challange to her appointment on the grounds that she is not impartial. What the BBC conveniently fails to mention is that Mrs Woolf is currently just coming to the end of her term as Lord Mayor of London, often held to be a political post second only in power to the Prime Minister. Of course she knows all the great and the good, and of course she has been lining up a new job for when her year in office ends in a couple of weeks time. Does knowing Leon Brittain disqualify her, because he is one of the people complained about? Only if it affects her judgement.

But it does show we're in the runup to an election, and neutral reporting has already died.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Oct 14 - 01:55 AM

:)


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 10:30 PM

I don't know, seems fishy to me...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 10:19 PM

Hmmmm You sound pretty fresh to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 09:44 PM

Ebbie, there are those who think I'm already moldy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 21 Oct 14 - 01:50 AM

And then the mould will get you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 09:33 PM

There are ways of preventing standing water: no old tires laying around, keep the puddles small, basically don't let water stand around long enough for mosquito larvae to hatch. Stirring standing water will kill the larvae, as they have to have breathing tubes to the surface (really!). Spraying a light coat of oil on the water surface also works, as does detergents and surfactants. But that's in the towns and perhaps the suburbs. I can't see spraying a light coat of oil all over the bayous of Louisiana or the wetlands of Alaska, though.

Another nasty disease is West Nile virus. And Chikungunya, dengue, Rocky Mountain spotter fever, Heartland virus, Lyme disease, and of course good ol' plague (including the septicemic and pneumonoccal varieties. Stay away from insects and animals! Then there's hemorrhagic fever, rhinoviruses, and a lot of other airborne diseases.

Come to think of it, just seal up your house and stay inside for the rest of your life.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 03:27 PM

Yeah, seems a little circular to me too, but hey, if it turns out to be that simple, yay.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:57 PM

Problem with simply drowning mosquitoes, how does one prevent standing water? Hard to keep everything dry around every bucket and barrel, puddle, pond, lake, creek and river...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 02:49 PM

Well, perhaps the people infected with ebola could get aboard the cruise ships (the ones you wanted to use to float Fukushima refugees around the Pacific) and float them around the Atlantic instead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:46 PM

and for those who are ridiculing various conversations on this topic, a 14 year old boy has just won some big prize for very simply drowning mosquitos, preventing their spread...simple simple ways of dealing with an epidemic in an impoverished place are needed. every brain on every continent is needed to be thinking about this.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:38 PM

Right, not contagious. It is infectious, but that is different.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: bobad
Date: 20 Oct 14 - 01:35 PM

"....malaria, which isn't contagious...."

Maybe not in the usual use of the term but it is infectious in the sense that it is transmitted from person to person not directly but through a vector namely the Anopheles mosquito.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 10:28 PM

Right. The. US. Isn't. The. Issue. Neither is Europe.

The issue is trying to keep the graph bobad posted accurate. Once this one is over with we can get back to malaria, which isn't contagious and so while it is a worse killer it might seem not to belong in the discussion.

HIV/AIDS, par contre, is tremendously preventable by education and so is completely relevant to this thread, which is about how superstition gets in the way of health. The people who think it's a western plot don't help either, even if it is faintly possible that a vaccination effort had something to do with getting the virus from monkeys into humans.

I didn't think superstition were hugely in the way of mosquito netting, which is the best prevention for malaria, but apparently it is. So malaria gets back into the problem. Bugger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 09:03 PM

Both Senegal and Nigeria were able to keep their own outbreaks to only a handful of cases.

One would imagine the U.S. to have a similar capacity.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: bobad
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:14 PM

Putting it into perspective: Africa's killers


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:05 PM

From the horse's mouth: President of Liberia speaks to BBC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Bettynh
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 06:19 PM

An outbreak of ebola came and died out in the Democratic Republic of Congo while the one we're watching grew. Repeated threat kept the people affected informed, Containment was swift and effective. This is the first epidemic for western Africa. The governments involved, if they survive, have a steep learning curve ahead.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: mg
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:36 PM

Can you lay out for us what can be done in slum conditions with basically no resources at this time...


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 04:22 PM

Something wrong with the Cat, a posting just disappeared into the wild blue yonder.

I bloody well had better be pretty much on the right track, I was paid for 18 years as one of Europe's crisis managers expected to be able to deal with absolutely anything.

The fault here lies with the politicians. Who cut the Ebola research program? Obama, driven to it by the Republicans. Who just threatened not to give the UK a hearing if we left the EU in matters like the boot up the bum we just gave them on this? Baroso, outgoing President of the Commission, implying that the body will censor the UK's diplomatic mail in clear breach not only of the Warsaw Convention on Diplomacy but also abrogating the entire democratic system in favour of a bunch of unelected bureaucrats. What's a politician? Hubris on a stick.

On the technical front, you're right, except that the vacuum room is actually negative pressure. There are a number of such facilities in the main Banking centres (New York, London, Frankfurt, Tokyo) - the banks' securities depositary vaults. In addition, it should be possible to convert most ICUs in a day or so.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:49 PM

Adding to Guest-
BSL-4 defined at
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_hazard

Levels set by CDC. Level Four- no vaccines available.
Level Four Biolab requires multiple showers, vacuum room, ultraviolet light room, autonomous detection system, multiple airlocks, water decontamination system.

Positive pressure personnel suit with segregated air supply mandatory.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 01:10 PM

"Here's a Material Safety Data Sheet for the Ebola virus."

Ebola is a BSL-4 substance. There are only about fifty of those facilities in the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 12:28 PM

"The role of the environment in transmission has not
been established."

Rahere gives a small part of the answer, but the CDC means what it says- there is insufficient work done to establish limits to this statement.
Air, water, surfaces, parasites are all being investigated, but full answers cannot be given at this time.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 08:32 AM

Fox News headline:

"Possible Ebola case docks in Galveston!"

Can you guess the details?


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 08:22 AM

The incident of a woman in Texas getting sick after getting off a train apparently led to a big fuss and full decontamination of the station. Panicky over-reaction alright.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:31 AM

Meanwhile, CNN reports that the cruise ship passenger has landed at Galveston and been cleared by the local public health authorities as affording "no health risk."

She's passed the 21-day incubation period and she and her companion (who may have as well) both feel fine.

Of course the media are stoking the anxiety: "Ebola fear rips through Ohio!" That was the headline. The story was that a TSA officer who had been wearing gloves while patting Amber Vinson's outer clothing when she was asymptomatic has put him or herself under voluntary monitoring for 21 days.

Can't hurt, right?

But maybe reporting it as "fear ripping through Ohio" can.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Lighter
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 07:23 AM

People who say that at this point the government will say anything to avert panic are people who are starting to panic already.

Have you heard that Ebola is a virus transmitted mainly by email? Don't click that link!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Ebbie
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 02:20 AM

Rahere's insight is good and it's well stated. I'm sure s/he is not being literal with this statement: "...policy set by the Government, which is and always will be "Don't Panic" - even if you should."

Just want to point out that I know of no situation or event that panic makes better.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 19 Oct 14 - 12:14 AM

Well thought through, Rahere.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: mg
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:59 PM

What is a reasonably safe distance to be from a patient? How can we get patients out of a third floor apartment and to a treating center..what do we do about. Bodies in the street. What tools are there now for not touching a body. How do you wrap it before the body. Bag.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 11:05 PM

The first problem is the News media itself. These are run by journalists who only know journalism, and see their function either as moderators or provocateurs, sometimes both, run to reinforce either the social norm, however they perceive it, or their company's policy, and in the last resort their own self-interest, if they see a Pulitzer Prize in it.

The first-level social norm is the policy set by the Government, which is and always will be "Don't Panic" - even if you should. The academic research corpus, for example, has demonstrated airborne transmission between pigs and chimps, making it somewhat specious to suggest it cannot be transmitted by aerosol human-human. I cannot, on the other hand, say definitively that it will, but only that it is possible, and therefore the precautionary principle applies. The scientific references I supplied about a week back on the original "tracking ebola" thread.

Secondly, the norms by which these journalists work are less than rigourous. I was just watching one compare the R0 infectuousness of ebola (2) with measles (4) and SARS (18), to show it's not something we should be scared of. What she fails to take into account is the lethality of each, and so seeks to minimise something most serious. Time after time after time the Press seem to think there is a treatment for Ebola, just because Doctors are there: the reality is that there is not. Similarly, there are no end of statements suggesting the casualty rate will get to "10 000 a week" before it starts to drop. This is Wizard of Oz conman tactics, "with one leap he was free", without explaining how. The simple reality is more likely to be that this will continue in West Africa until one of two things happens: there are no more people to be infected, or the population, faced with a complete collapse of the economic structure by which they are fed and cared for, flees, taking the disease with them. This was exactly the mechanism by which the Black Death spread so rapidly in 1348, it was not simply the rat flea as a vector, rats only travelling short distances, but humans carrying the incubating disease which the local rat fleas then spread locally once they got to the point where they could travel no more. Once we start getting humanitarian pleas to take refugees, this time we must say no: we do not know the infectuousness of any individual, but en masse we can be certain that someone somewhere will be infected. Nor can we use some kind of quarantine camp, as the camp is only as good as the date the last inmate arrived, plus 21 days.

The third dynamic is the failure of international diplomacy in the UN. The African Nations are asking why the rest of the world waited until now, without realising that had we gone in at the first sign of trouble, we'd have been accused of all kinds of murder and mayhem, indeed giving tangible justification to the malicious tongues which accused the West of causing it in the first place.

We should always back up the need to exercise scientific standards with the precautionary principle, which is basically don't chance it if you don't know. Both President Obama and the UK's Chief Scientific Officer, when they said that it cannot be communicated by air, demonstrated that they don't know and therefore failed in their duty to express the need to be carefully prudent.

Yet another example happened in the explanation of the "clipboard man" at the airport. It was explained that he was a supervisor of the team working with the patient, because the visibility within one of those suits is limited, his task being to add the visual supervision (literally) that nothing slipped. Yet he himself became part of the problem, taking a bottle which only the patient could have handled, the rest of the team being sealed in their suits. If she handled it, then it carried her saliva, which was certainly contaminated, and he therefore handled something contaminated out of normal cooperative instinct. He should have refused to take it. He failed in himself. The Press swallowed the "official" line just because it was passed down from on high. The only thing we can know now is that the edicts of the Governments are in their own interest, and will be increasingly spun: the amount of spin being an indicator of the gravity of cover-up. Maybe things are improving, for example in the case of Amber Vinson, details were released to the Press within 24 hours of her reporting ill: but is even that fast enough?

We cannot take chances with this one, because we have no cure for it and it is highly lethal. We did so at the start, and it got out of control: the only way to be sure, to be sure, to be sure, is to copy that Irishman and put three condoms on. Or rather, triple-glove. There is a difference, for example, between the English protocol, where the patient is hermetically sealed under negative pressure at all times, and the American one: for example, the room Amber Vinson is in has wooden window fittings. The isolation rooms in the hospital I was intensively involved in, the European Cancer Centre the Bordet Institute, do not, because they have a granular surface which can absorb germs. I'm not talking about food-level hygiene, but medical, and it's details like that which must be picked up on to avoid the risk of leaving contaminant harbours behind. Were the floor surfaces curved at the skirting, to avoid diseased material getting trapped in the angles? Didn't look like it. If the norms aren't right from the start, then deaths can follow.

It may be too late to correct: but until we know it for sure, it's time for some long-term planning to be made, with provision for scaled escalation, so we don't leaave everything until it's too late. About a quarter of a mile from where I live, for example, is one of London's quarantine hospitals used in the 1918 Spanish Flu outbreak, with provision for tens of hundreds of patients: we also have a Malaysian teaching hospital a mile away. It still only has two entrances, and has a supermarket and medical centre on site: I wonder whether the people who bought the flats it was converted into have any idea that to me, it looks very possible that of this were to get out of control, they may be asked to move out while the site reverts to its original use. The Colney Hatch asylum, also not far away, is also a huge block with huge grounds which could be further developed extensively: it's been sold to Footballers Wives circles, at a huge markup, but if the devil drives...

It's called getting our ducks in a row, and at the moment, they're still not. Maybe we won't need it, but better to prepare and not need it than to have improvise in the teeth of chaos. Prior planning and proper preparation prevent piss-poor performance.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Rapparee
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 10:03 PM

Anyone who disagrees with me in any way transmits Ebola hemorrhagic fever.


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: Mrrzy
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 09:32 PM

Yeah, a bunch of West Africans that have been here the whole time! They would freak!


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Subject: RE: BS: Ebola Information and Misinformation
From: LadyJean
Date: 18 Oct 14 - 08:54 PM

Fox News is making serious hay out of the Ebola scare. I'm hoping people will upchuck outside their headquarters in New York. It would serve them right. One doesn't need to have Ebola to upchuck, after all. But if they are that paranoid.....


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