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olddude 10 Nov 14 - 12:56 PM
olddude 10 Nov 14 - 01:06 PM
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Roger the Skiffler 10 Nov 14 - 02:51 PM
GUEST,leeneia 10 Nov 14 - 03:13 PM
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Bob the Postman 10 Nov 14 - 04:13 PM
GUEST,Rahere 10 Nov 14 - 07:18 PM
Gurney 10 Nov 14 - 08:24 PM
Bee-dubya-ell 10 Nov 14 - 08:34 PM
Ed T 10 Nov 14 - 08:35 PM
David C. Carter 11 Nov 14 - 05:21 AM
GUEST,Rahere 11 Nov 14 - 05:36 AM
Ed T 11 Nov 14 - 06:56 AM
Rapparee 11 Nov 14 - 09:37 AM
Splott Man 12 Nov 14 - 07:33 AM
Ed T 12 Nov 14 - 07:40 AM
Musket 12 Nov 14 - 07:57 AM
Rapparee 12 Nov 14 - 12:21 PM
fat B****rd 12 Nov 14 - 12:52 PM
GUEST,pete from seven stars link 12 Nov 14 - 12:57 PM
GUEST,Rahere 12 Nov 14 - 07:57 PM
Rapparee 13 Nov 14 - 09:36 AM
Ed T 13 Nov 14 - 10:19 AM
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GUEST,leeneia 15 Nov 14 - 10:15 AM
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Subject: BS: early caveman songs
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 12:56 PM

trying to find some of the earliest caveman folk songs. So far I dug out

That's a bear by clawed balls
spot on the cave wall by who flung dung
scratch my itch by poison ivy
I fell for you by watch yer step
anyone have some more to add to the book of caveman folk songs


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: olddude
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 01:06 PM

Need some lyrics to


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: frogprince
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 01:58 PM

Mods! Some pesky third grader is posting under Dan's handle!


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 02:51 PM

Yabba Dabba Doo!

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 03:13 PM

in about 1963 there was one called "Alley Oop"


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 03:44 PM

Anything by Joss Stone


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Bob the Postman
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 04:13 PM

Researchers have recently translated the text of what is believed to be the world's oldest joke:

First Caveman: Who was that female I saw you mounting last night?
Second Caveman: That was no female. That was my mate.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 07:18 PM

One o'clock, two o'clock, three o'clock rock...
Anything by the Rolling Stones and Stone Roses
Pierre et le Loup


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Gurney
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 08:24 PM

Rock With The Caveman, sung by Tommy Steele.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 08:34 PM

Many musical anthropologists believe the song "Louie, Louie" can be traced back to caveman times. The lyrics are equally indecipherable whether sung by drunk frat-rats at a kegger or by Neanderthals sitting around a fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 10 Nov 14 - 08:35 PM

""An Oklahoma college student has transcribed the music written on the ass of a figure from the "Hell" panel of Hieronymus Bosch's famous triptych painting The Garden of Earthly Delights.""

olde butt song revealed 


""Hey Hieronymous I know where your garden grows
I know where your bloody roses bloom""
Graham Parker, OK Hieronymus


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: David C. Carter
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 05:21 AM

Like a Rolling Stone


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 05:36 AM

Most of the Mari Llwyd/Grey Mare tradition in that it relates to the pre-pastural herding society of the early Stone Age, John Barleycorn from the days of early pasturalism.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 06:56 AM

""When you're with the Flintstones
You'll have a yabba dabba doo time
A dabba doo time
You'll have a gay old time""


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Rapparee
Date: 11 Nov 14 - 09:37 AM

Recently discovered in a cave in Washington, DC:

ughugh UGH ughugh UGH ughugh UGH
ughUGH UGHughugh grun grun grun.

That's the chorus, scholars think. It's either a Neolithic song or yesterday's Congressional debate, they're not quite sure which.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Splott Man
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:33 AM

There's an interesting variation on that one from North Nebraska, where the first line is repeated up to the second "aghug" and there is an emphasis is on the third "grun".

Splott Man


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:40 AM

3400 year old hymn 


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Musket
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:57 AM

Anything sung by old men with trousers up to their tits and waistcoats.

(Just casting the net, see if the fish are biting today.)


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Rapparee
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:21 PM

I transcribed the words, of course. They're on a 16 1/6 rpm wax cylinder now in the Museé de les Artifacts Paleolithique in Burn.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: fat B****rd
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:52 PM

"Ape Call" by Nervus Norvus (Jimmy Drake)


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 12:57 PM

interesting link, ed
early musical skill comes as no surprise here.
"his brothers name was Jubal; he was the father of all those who play the lyre and pipe"    genesis 4 v 21 esv.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 12 Nov 14 - 07:57 PM

There are some thoughts certain texts on rocks in the Southern Egyptan desert may be a hymn from earlier still, First Dynasty or thereabouts. 1400 BCE Fertile Crescent is relatively well into the Bronze Age locally (started c3500BCE in Mesopotamia, c3000 in Egypt), although it would take another thousand years or more to reach the UK. Knowledge of the First Dynasty has sufficient detail for many to think it could still be late Stone Age.
But suspicion is not fact, nor yet music, so for the moment that stands as the oldest. I wouldn't bet my shirt nobody discovers something older, though. The oldest surviving instruments are the trumpets from Tut's tomb, only about 100 years later than that. I'm damned sure they didn't have mail-coaches though!
Although I'd hate to have to take anything from the OT as authoritative, it only having been transfered to written form in Babylon in the 6th Century BCE, the possibility of some form of parity between Tut's father Akhenanten and Moses, corroborated by Moses' ancestry from the only recorded non-Egyptian vizier Yuye (Joseph? Certainly his tomb has a painting of him in the multi-coloured coat Egyptian law required all foreigners to wear so they'd be instantly identifiable) means that going roughly the same distance back brings us roughly to about the time metals were first worked. If so, and the Song of the Sword is in some way original, music goes much further back yet. Note all the ifs, though, it's only an outline for thinking which might perhaps gather flesh if we can tell where some lost legend hints in that part of Genesis 4 came from.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 09:36 AM

What that is is h.6. Song itself can't be dated unless you can listen in on what went on in a cave or a camp or such. Could be really interesting, and not just for music. Forget 'if only these walls could talk!', I'd be happy just to listen to what was said or done.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 10:19 AM

H.6 is an early relatively-high definition "sourround man-cave" sound system.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 13 Nov 14 - 06:54 PM

They carbon-dated the clay. Accuracy about 100 years either way at that distance, so my comments on Tut are not massively out of line. The problem is to get back to the Stone Age around there we have to go back another 2000 years, grosso-modo.
There is another option: look at the modern stone-age tribes on PNG and the like.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 03:15 PM

Are there still musicians living in caves near Granada - there certainly were 50 years ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 03:32 PM

Don't have to go that far even - the biggest hits of the 60s came from a merrie bande of jongleurs who resided in The Cavern.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 03:40 PM

""Were there any big surprises hiding in his genome?
Pearson: For a long time we thought that Neandertals didn't have any descendents today, but it turns out that Asians and Europeans have some evidence of Neandertal lineage—like a drop in the bucket. We found a little segment on Ozzy's chromosome 10 that very likely traces back to a Neandertal forebearer.""


Ozzy Osbourne's connection with the past 


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 14 Nov 14 - 06:30 PM

might it be, that the reason it was, at one time, thought there was nothing remaining of neandertals, is that they were not considered human. the fact that they are widespread in the human genome surely means that they were merely human variant able to interbeed, as any other humans can.

sounds like ozzie is "paranoid" about his genetic makeup !.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 10:15 AM

Here's a video of a man playing on a cave-bear jaw drilled to make flute:

cave song

We can't say that ancient people played at the tempo he uses or played the notes in that order, but the intervals will stay the same.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 10:27 AM

That's the first time I've seen an ocarina with teeth.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: ced2
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 02:56 PM

We are the Red Rose cavers no Bleedin' use are we,
We have a half of cider and then we have to pee,
And when we are down Bar Pot and stuck without a light,
We sit above the hundred and sh#t our selves with fright.

And then the Bradford* help us through every thrutch & squeeze,
We like the way they do things with such consummate ease,
And when we are much better at caving we agree,
It is our one ambition to join the BPC*

One may substitute Craven and CPC in the appropriate places marked * but only if one really must.

This should be sung to a well known Hymn tune toe name of which escapes me.

There are many more but I would have to do myself a very nasty injury should I divulge them


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Ed T
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 03:34 PM

""Songs of the Caves: acoustics and prehistoric art in Cantabrian caves""

cave art and sound 

Reminds me of David Bowie's song, Sound and Vision.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 03:48 PM

Not an ocarina at all, it was a Darkest Peruvian which died of abcesses from too much marmalade.


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 06:04 PM

At midnight in the museum hall,
The fossils gathered for a ball.
There were no drums or saxophones,
But just the clatter of their bones,
A rolling, rattling, carefree circus
Of mammoth polkas and mazurkas.
Pterodactyls and brontosauruses
Sang ghostly prehistoric choruses.
Amid the mastodontic wassail
I caught the eye of one small fossil.
"Cheer up, sad world," he said, and winked—
"It's kind of fun to be extinct."
                                                --Ogden Nash

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Nov 14 - 06:09 PM

On the Antiquity of Fleas.

Adam
Had 'em.
         --A. Nonny Mouse--

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: early caveman songs
From: DMcG
Date: 16 Nov 14 - 02:31 PM

There is a serious article on this in the current issue of New Scientist (13 nov 2014). Unfortunately you need an account to read it!


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