BS: help - I am starting to panic

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 22 May 21 - 02:11 PM

Yay! I'm impressed!

I was expecting you to tell me to go jump in the lake for harassing you, but seriously, putting it in writing and sending it to the appropriate authority should mean that the issue cannot be ignored or shoved under the rug especially if you add your **CC list** at the bottom of the letter.

I worked in a few government departments over the years. I have seen the power of a well written letter sent to the right place(s). I have also seen how easily verbal complaints can be ignored.

One suggestion, though, would be to say that you are prepared to take it to the media if you are not satisfied with their response. That will give them some time to investigate and take appropriate action. Taking it to the media is a last resort, in my opinion.

Good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 22 May 21 - 10:16 AM

well done!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 22 May 21 - 09:51 AM

Hi Helen

It is part of the metropolitan police, but probably staffed by civilian workers.

As sending back letters marked not/never have been known at this address/cease and desist, and long phone calls only seeming to temporarily resolve issues until the next time Ryzio gets caught on a speed camera, I am now drafting a strongly worded letter spelling out (1) the nature and extent of my grievance, and (2) a request for a full explanation why a simple, and extensive list of verification checks were not carried out before writing to my address. (eg checking the name against the electoral role, passport records, driving licence records, utility contracts etc.) and a curtesy copy of everyone I can think to email or cut and paste to (eg my MP, my ward Councillors, this thread, facebook neighbourhood forums, local press, national press, local/regional radio. I also intend to request a full investigation as to how my address has found its way onto their records (and reappeared after verbal assurance that I would not hear anything in the future), and details of what disciplinary actions will be taken regarding this gross dereliction in duty of care, and against whom), reminder to self = curtesy copy to Unison which is likely to be the employee's trade union. Possibly also a written cc to the Commissioner of the Metropolitan Police so although it is unlikely it will reach Cressida Dick's in tray, the escalation would still be put on record. Maybe also to the London Mayor who the Commissioner is accountable.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 21 May 21 - 01:15 PM

Sorry to go on about this, but one question: in the UK are speed camera penalty notices issued by and administered by the Police or by a government department or an organisation which the government has contracted to administer the fines? A quick Google seems to show a government department.

If it isn't the Police who issue and/or administer the fines, you would need to write your letter to the government department or other organisation and ask them to investigate the issue. If that's the case, the Police would have filed it under "F" for "future reference" (maybe) or more likely "forget about it". :-D

The approximate dates of receiving the letters and also the visit from the bailiff are all in this thread. Also it would help to mention how long you have lived at your current address before stating that the person named on the notices has not lived there in that time. If I am writing an official letter, after stating my issues, I always write a short paragraph at the end with a request for the action I would like them to take, e.g. cease and desist sending the notices to your address, and also you could suggest that they investigate the circumstances surrounding the use of this person's name at your address to see if anyone has used your address for dishonest or illegal reasons.

You probably won't ever find out the complete true story but you should be able to get them to cease and desist sending the notices to your address.

They may ask you to send a certified copy of your identification documents. It might be helpful to phone their contact centre to find out if there is anything they require to speed up the processing of your letter.

Good luck!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 09:52 PM

and:

"On 23 July 2009, the New South Wales Court of Appeal ordered that Einfeld's name be struck out from the roll of lawyers.[56] On 28 August 2009, the Court of Appeal delivered its reasons for making those declarations and orders,[56] finding proven allegations that, in addition to the 2006 statutory declaration in respect of which he had been convicted, Einfeld had ***also sworn a series of statutory declarations in 1999, 2003, and 2004 falsely nominating other persons as the drivers of his car who he knew had not been driving the car so as to avoid traffic infringements***.[57] Einfeld agreed not to apply for re-admission.[58]"

(Note: My asterixes added)

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 09:45 PM

Example of an Australian conviction:

"Marcus Richard Einfeld (born 22 September 1938) is a former Australian judge who served on the Federal Court of Australia and was the inaugural president of the Human Rights and Equal Opportunity Commission. In retirement, he served two years in prison after being convicted of perjury and perverting the course of justice.[1]

.........

"In 2006, Einfeld was issued a A$77 speeding ticket for travelling 10 km/h (6.2 mph) over the limit. He appealed the ticket, claiming that he had not been driving. Journalists subsequently discovered that he had made a number of false statements under oath; the woman he had said was driving had in fact died several years earlier. Einfeld was arrested in 2007, and the following year pleaded guilty to perjury and perverting the course of justice. He was sentenced to three years' imprisonment. As a result of his actions, Einfeld was expelled from the legal profession and stripped of many of the honours he had previously accumulated, including his status as a Queen's Counsel, appointment of the Order of Australia, and his status as a National Living Treasure.

.......

"He contested the ticket in Downing Centre Local Court by claiming he had on that day lent his car to an old friend, Professor Teresa Brennan, who was visiting from the United States.[12][36][34] By making his claim Einfeld was avoiding a A$75 fine, and avoiding losing three of his four remaining demerit points.[36][34] [20][28] He gave evidence under oath in the Local Court, and signed a statutory declaration to that effect, and the magistrate dismissed the charge as "not proved."[12] However, a junior reporter for the Sydney daily tabloid The Daily Telegraph filed a brief story which caught the attention of assistant editor Michael Beach, who discovered that Brennan had died in the United States three years before Einfeld claimed she had been driving his car, and on Beach's instruction the reporter called Einfeld to obtain his reaction.[34] This was the basis for Einfeld's later conviction for knowingly making a false statement under oath.[30][37]"

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 08:56 PM

If you want to keep getting these letters year after year, I guess it's your call.

But if it was me, knowing enough about how these things work here in Oz, I'd be taking it further. There are strict legal processes and procedures. The actual issuing of a camera related penalty is a fairly mundane process. It probably doesn't require checks on the address of the owner of the registered vehicle. If a statutory declaration has been submitted nominating a supposed driver who lives at a supposed address, it probably only becomes an issue when someone like you notifies the relevant department that there is a problem and supplies as much supporting information and hopefully documentation as possible to aid their effective investigation. If the problem shows repeated behaviour by a possibly dodgy person over a number of years, believe me they will want to know about it. There could be legal action taken if it is shown that this is deliberately dodgy behaviour in an attempt to evade the law of the land.

It's your call, but if you choose not to take a proactive stance then I see very little reason to continue to tell us about the repeated events in this thread, which is nearly 7 years old. It will keep on happening.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 08:15 PM

On the previous cycle, after long phone calls I got the police to take my address of their records for the case, and was left alone for a year or so.

The fact that they gave not checked their records for the previous offence before sending out the correspondence is just sheer incompetence. All they have to do is carry out a manual review of every offense carried out by Ryzio.

Also, all the police (and courts and bailiffs) need to check all names and addresses on statutory declarations back with electoral registers, land registries, and tenancy agreements before sending out ANY correspondence. if they can't be bothered to spend a couple of hours on basic checks then they are incapable of doing their job properly.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 21 - 07:12 PM

What Helen said. Have your lawyer sue for pain and suffering and all moving costs.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 20 May 21 - 04:27 PM

Well, I will just remind you of what I said on 28 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM.

If it worked the first time for your nemesis Martin Ryzio or the person nominating a fictional "Martin Ryzio" for offences, then he will just keep using your address. In his case, if it ain't broke, don't fix it. Your address may not be the only one being used.

If the actual perpetrator of the camera offences is sending in statutory declarations nominating a fictional person named "Martin Ryzio" who supposedly lives at your address then that person is breaking the law, a repeat offender. There are official and legal processes which can be undertaken to investigate those offences of submitting false stat decs.

If sending the letters back RTS hasn't worked, send another letter to the Police, or talk to a solicitor, or talk to your MP, or send the whole saga to the media. Whatever it takes. This has been an ongoing saga since November 2014. The only way it will cease to be an issue for you is a) you move to a new address and the problem passes to the next resident at your current address, or b) the issue is dealt with through official and/or legal processes.

Subject: RE: BS: hell- I am starting to PICNIC
From: Donuel
Date: 20 May 21 - 12:43 PM

YOU LUCKY BASTARD. Some people serve a life sentence over mistaken identity. ;*/



















































































































































































































































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Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: meself
Date: 20 May 21 - 12:17 PM

Just read this whole thread - I can skip my daily dose of Kafka ... !

Subject: Not Panicking, just p****d off.
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 11:46 AM

Forgot to change the subject header.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 20 May 21 - 11:45 AM

Another police letter (fourth in this cycle) has been sent to Martin Ryzio, c/o my address. Duly photographed, returned to sender this time with a reminder that they are in breach of the PROTECTION FROM HARASSMENT ACT 1997 written on the envelope.

Let's see how long it will be before the courts and bailiffs waste my time. AGAIN   Who knows, maybe the message will get through to them this time. I am definitely not going to waste any more time on the phone repeatedly sorting it out when every time Ryzio is caught speeding the whole cycle starts again.

(1)A person must not pursue a course of conduct—
(a)which amounts to harassment of another, and
(b)which he knows or ought to know amounts to harassment of the other.

2Offence of harassment.
(1)A person who pursues a course of conduct in breach of [F1section 1(1) or (1A)] is guilty of an offence.
(2)A person guilty of an offence under this section is liable on summary conviction to imprisonment for a term not exceeding six months, or a fine not exceeding level 5 on the standard scale, or both.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 29 Nov 20 - 10:05 AM

Mr Red, even they encounter people who are lying, this does not allow them to harass people who are not, and that is what getting people out of bed at 7am in the morning is.

Imagine someone is executed in America because they are accused of being someone else - would you think that being murdered by a hangman would be acceptable? OK I am grossly exaggerating, but the principle is the same. Read julius Ceasar : http://shakespeare.mit.edu/julius_caesar/julius_caesar.3.3.html

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 06:06 PM

My MP is a good friend, and I have worked extensively on her election campaigns. If things escalate again, I might call in a favour, especially as I mentioned in my Cease and Desist letter that for now on I will be keeping photographic copies of all the envelopes that arrive before I send them back. It is easy to find out who they are from by googling the postcode.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Helen
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 05:48 PM

SPB said: "I would kind of like to know how two different police forces got my address when the licencing authority have stated categorically that the vehicle is not registered at my address so there is an on going data protection issue which I would like to have resolved too as there is a duty of care which owners of databases should be adhering to."

This may not be relevant in the UK but for a time it was possible in our state for unethical self serving low-lifes to submit a statutory declaration advising that another person at a different address was responsible for speed camera and parking offenses etc. (This only worked on camera and parking offenses etc because otherwise the police officer dealt with the offender in person.) They got away with this trick for a while until the powers-that-be decided to change the rules. Another trick was to go to the motor registry and submit a change of address on the vehicle registration or driver's licence account. That is what I suspect has happened to you.

Usually the state government department would deal properly with the issue when the targeted victim notified them.

When all else fails it's a good strategy to contact your MP and provide the details of what has happened, what actions you have taken, copies of relevant documents, and a request for action to be taken on your behalf. The MP can diplomatically lean on the relevant department/s. The only advice I would give on that strategy is not to go to the MP until you have tried other avenues and had no success. You appear to be at that stage now because this has continued to occur for over six years and, as you suggest, this person is repeatedly getting away with unlawful behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 02:09 PM

No, you are not being self-righteous. In America, we call this getting up on our hind legs. Before you were frightened, now you are indignant. I think that's a good thing, but I hope if you actually have another bailiff on your doorstep, that you will remain polite but firm.

I used to work retail, and the company educated us that an angry customer is likely trying to put something over. (A customer who has made an honest mistake is apt to be flustered and apologetic, not angry.) The bailiffs may also believe that an angry person is likely a dishonest person.

Subject: it never goes away, but not panicking.
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 01:11 PM

The fact that the Bailiff hasn't done his/her research is his or her problem. When it happened 5 years ago, I just shouted very loudly that
the was incompetent and asked very loudly what part of the sentence "HE has never lived here and I have no idea who the person is" that he was TOO STUPID to understand. So in the end passport at him that I didn't ACCIDENTLY take his eye out. Unfortunately I do not have the physical build to use reasonable violent force, so he got off lightly.

And to this point I have never received a written apology from his company for their criminal incompetence.

Fortunately, further incidences have not escalated to that level, but if it does in the future, I think I will just ring emergency services and ask to the police as I am being threatened on my doorstep. But I have no intention, apart from writing a "Cease and Desist" notice to the police service of wasting any more of my time following up correspondence apart from return to sender - not at this address on the letters, and if that result in escalation and harassment by bailiffs, I will be mentally prepared.

Anyway I'm getting very self-rightious here.....

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mr Red
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 11:20 AM

There is a problem for the bailiff, who may not have done the due diligence himself. He doesn't know the person, or what he looks like. AND when he does go to a correct address, imagine what the person is going to say? When their chosen (or even stolen) possessions are about to be all taken and sold for whatever price the bailiff thinks they are worth. Imagine sitting on the bare floor, and how you would connive.

Bailiffs meet a lot of con men, desperate people, and out and out crooks. Maybe they have learned to come on strong immediately. They are ahead of you.

It is not easy to respond other than be frightened. But if you had the ability to laugh at them, you would be ahead of them. Something that is possible if you don't have to spend thinking time making up stuff.

I only had to deal with telephone calls within the 18 months after moving in to my house, the previous incumbent had left debts, probably incurred by his ex-wife - subsequent events rather pointed that way.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:51 AM

Not really, as their job is to take enforcement action against the plaintiff, not to turn up my doorstep even though I have informed them that the plaintiff has no connection whatsoever to my address.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:35 AM

Yup. Doing their job. What a total PAIN for you, though.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 10:03 AM

The one who turned up on my doorstep was aggressive, stroppy and accused me of lying.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 09:48 AM

Someone uses my phone number, a cell phone I've had since the mid-1990s, on at least one of their accounts. Mostly I get collection calls and most recently this guy apparently owns a house that the gaggle of "I Buy Ugly Houses" folks want to buy. There isn't a remedy that I can find to get them to quit calling. It's when mail arrives that the Interwebs show how disturbing they can be, even though someone who manages to connect the phone number with a street address has to see that that other name isn't on the address.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 09:34 AM

I had something similar happen to me. Parking offence, car registered to my address etc. I called and wrote to the council who wanted me to prove the car owner didn't live here, I replied the burden of proof was on them. I kept copies of all correspondence. The debt collection agency appointed by the council contacted me, I sent them copies of the correspondence. A bailiff finally turned up on my doorstep. I repeated the story and showed him my letters and he was happy to take my word that the driver didn't live here. I haven't had any more problems since.

Subject: It never goes away
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Nov 20 - 08:36 AM

The outcome of the above is that it did escalate to the Magistrates Court, got passed on to bailiffs, and having said bailiffs threatening to enter my home and seize goods. I had to throw my passport at him - which I considered an invasion of my privacy. I couldn't close my door as he had his foot in it.   Anyway, that was a few years ago.

Since then, every year or so I get new Intention to Prosecute letters through my door - from PO Box 510 DA15 0BQ, and each time it gets resolved by spending half a day making phone calls (at the expense of my time) and nothing has escalated since.

Last time this happened about a year ago, when I spoke to the powers that be, they informed me that whoever lives at the registered keeper's address has been giving my address as the driver's address - and before anyone asks Martin Rysio has never lived at my address, so however is giving my address is lying to the police. The upshot was that the police assured me that they will make a note on the case and that I would not receive any further correspondence.

Well, that was the case, until this morning.....

Yep, you've guessed it, another one has landed on my doormat which I will be returned unopened to the sender marked 'not at this address'.

This time round, as this is extremely annoying as noone should be subjected to continued harassment, I am planning to staple a CEASE AND DESIST letter, and a GDPR complaint and a formal FOI request to disclose who is wrongfully, and possibly illegally, giving my address to the police. I am wondering if I should address this personally to Cressida Dick.

As well as being extremely annoying, there is another concern, that Martin Ryzio is being allowed to drive dangerously without impunity - as this is the fourth or fifth time this is happened, surely by now he should be disqualified from driving.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Crowhugger
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 12:44 PM

One way for the address to become connected with a name is for someone to do a credit check based on a false current address. Landlords are a good source since they may not require formal ID for current addy or know how to identify fakes. From then on everyone else checking that name + DOB + SSN/SIN (dunno what they're called in UK) will see that false address listed as current address, until the same name is checked again with a new address, then the old one gets bumped to past address. Not saying that's what happened, only that it could.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 12:20 PM

Good for you, SPB. I'm glad you are not allowing these people to alarm you anymore.

Are you sure you have to walk to the mailbox? Where I live, I can simply let the letter stick out of the mail slot with the stamp or a message ("Return to Sender") easy to see, and the letter carrier takes it away when new mail is delivered.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,SPB - At Work
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 07:43 AM

I posted an update as I was asked on 29th Mar what the latest news was. I am not panicking any more, nothing has escalated as far as I know, so it is all to me a matter of mild irritation of having to walk down to the post box to return the letter.

I am not forcing anyone to read the thread, and it may be useful if this happens to someone else in the future, and I would kind of like to know how two different police forces got my address when the licencing authority have stated categorically that the vehicle is not registered at my address so there is an on going data protection issue which I would like to have resolved too as there is a duty of care which owners of databases should be adhering to.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Thompson
Date: 07 Apr 15 - 04:27 AM

I'd be inclined to take photocopies of each letter as it arrives, and bring the original down to the local police station. If you explain that you've got a series of letters and fear that someone's using your address to build up a false identity, they'll tell you who to contact in the police department.
It could be some sinister scammer; on the other hand, it could also be an idiot student. Friends of mine in my youth, a bunch of drunken students, got a series of letters about library fines years later addressed to a name they did not recognise - until they realised that they'd registered the household cat for a library ticket. It could be something like this - but better safe than sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Andrez
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:57 PM

I agree, wot Noreen said!

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 09:22 AM

Hi, Norreen - Why? Perhaps because this thread is a solution in search of a problem & has been since its inception. The OP has been told repeatedly how to effectively address the situation & has refused to do so - and yet the whingeing continues.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Noreen
Date: 06 Apr 15 - 06:22 AM

You speak for yourself, Greg F. If you have no interest in the outcome,
a)why bother reading the thread
and
b)why waste your no doubt valuable time and energy posting something nasty?
Perhaps you could find something more productive to do with your life.


SPB-C: yes please, do keep us informed.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Greg F.
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 05:10 PM

Will keep all posted.

Please don't bother.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 05 Apr 15 - 02:14 PM

Latest news - heard nothing now for over a month, now got another one from Oxfordshire (same address as no 3) Again wrote not at this address, never at this address, and return to sender. Also wrote on the back of the envelope a polite request to correct their database, and confirm in writing that they have done so. Will keep all posted.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: BrendanB
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 09:07 AM

CAB stands for Citizens' Advice Bureau. DBS stands for Disclosure and Barring Service. People who work with children or vulnerable people are required to obtain clearance through this organization. It has to be renewed every three years (not every 6 months as stated in a post above).

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Andrez
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 06:04 AM

On behalf of us ignorant, non UK lot in the southern hemisphere, what do the acronyms DBS and CAB stand for?

Cheers,

Andrez

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 09:55 PM

Around here people have been phoned and told that it was the Internal Revenue Service and there was a problem -- but the penalty of USD xxxx.xx could be taken care of by providing bank account info. Yes, some people have been taken.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 08:22 PM

In this vein, I keep getting calls that there is a complaint and someone wants to serve me papers but needs my address, but I don't consider it my responsibility to help someone who's complaining about me find me, especially if they aren't smart enough to look in the phone book...

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: olddude
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 08:05 PM

Identify fraud I been there tell the police they will work it out nothing to worry about but check your bank account. I got clipped 4k but got it all back by the bank

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Noreen
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 07:35 PM

What's the latest. SPB-C?

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Anne Lister
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 05:26 PM

You can't know for certain, but before bailiffs are instructed to kick anyone's door down they do have to establish that they're kicking the right door down. And if the individual hasn't been traced or contacted by post at this address it's unlikely anyone will regard the postal address as valid.
DBS checks are carried out in the name of the person concerned, using name, date of birth, NI number and so on. Not for the address.

Please try to stop panicking and creating fresh worries for yourself. Go and visit a CAB if there's one in your area or spend a bit of money on a solicitor (many these days will do a free initial consultation and that may well be all it will take) if you're not convinced by what we're saying here. You are not the perpetrator of the speeding offence, you didn't own the car and you're not the person named in the summons. They really can't make you guilty of this.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Musket
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 01:30 PM

DBS??

I have enhanced DBS and as I work across many health and social care bodies when I do get off me arse and work, it is done at least twice a year.

If speeding tickets showed up, I couldn't have been a regulator, trust chairman or any of the interim director roles I have carried out.

I reckon you need to stop getting advice off weird blokes like us and as I said earlier, contact CAB.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 28 Feb 15 - 12:56 PM

An update - last month I got another letter through my letter box, this time I put it back in a postbox unopened with return to sender addressee not6 at this address in large letters. Subsequently, yesterday I got another letter from and address in Oxfordshire. I've written the same on the envelope and will be returning this unopened.

So, what if this is a summons, and what would happen if the person does not attend court - the fact the police seem to be writing to my address, whoever it is wouldn't have received the correspondence.

Then if whatever court makes a judgement in his absence, and he doesn't pay, how will I know for certain that the Bailiffs won't kick my door down?

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,SPB at work
Date: 01 Dec 14 - 07:42 AM

Update - I got a message from Essex police on my answerphone - just about audible, it was on a terrible line, that sounds like they are asking me to just send the paperwork back so they can 'investigate further'. I think I need to type a covering letter restating what I said when I rang them, and the additional info that DVLA has provided me with - ie the vehicle is not registered at my address, never has been. Unfortunately, they would not tell me the correct address do to data security.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 30 Nov 14 - 03:03 PM

An interesting viewpoint given that India followed the path of my mother's old boss, Krishan Menon, rather than his boss, Mahatma Gandhi!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Ebbie
Date: 30 Nov 14 - 11:20 AM

lol There ya go, Dan. Great advice.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: olddude
Date: 30 Nov 14 - 10:50 AM

Hell no tell them you will pay the fine if they give you your car back. That's a great car and you could get it really cheap :)

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Mumbai Guy
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 06:43 PM

'A Nation can do as it likes as long as it doesn't interfere with its neighbours, but when it does so interfere, then it takes its lumps." It is very amusing, if not ironic to hear those words from Britisher, whose former empire not only interfered, but also exploited and oppressed the rest of the the world for 300 years.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,hg
Date: 29 Nov 14 - 05:36 PM

Just throw it away and be done with it. It isn't certified to you. Not your monkey, not your circus.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 08:35 PM

From you, that's a compliment...

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 07:51 PM

Don't know if I've mentioned this, before, Rahere, but you are a total idiot.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 02:16 PM

We all presume the mail delivered to us is ours, and we don't always check. I sometimes get half a dozen letters, and I open them before looking at each individually. If someone sends something to this address in error, that's the price they pay: I could just as easily bin them unread as unsolicited mail. At least what's happened helps move matters forwards.
Opening a letter in error is no crime, and should not be punished as one.

Oh, and Stim, is it really necessary? Yes it is, because you've been exporting your shit here. A Nation can do as it likes as long as it doesn't interfere with its neighbours, but when it does so interfere, then it takes its lumps.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 02:42 AM

Is it really necessary to take potshots at the US because someone mistakenly gets a speeding ticket? Is it possible that someday you will get some sort of life?

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Elmore
Date: 28 Nov 14 - 02:07 AM

Young black males don't have to live in Southern states to get murdered by cops. A 12 year old was shot and killed by a policeman in Cleveland, Ohio the other day.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Troubadour
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 08:32 PM

"If you did not do anything illegal, the worst they can do to you is shoot you-(more than once, if you live in the US of A)."

But only if you are an unarmed black schoolboy, living in the Southern states of the USA!

Here, in the UK, you have nothing to worry about. Show ID (e.g. Passport, driving licence or Council Tax Bill), and they'll apologise and go on their way.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,.gargoyles
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:38 PM

RE: . "However, it was addressed to someone who I have never heard of, and who does not, and as far as I am aware, has never lived at my address."

WHY ? ? ? In the Good Lord's creation...' did YOU open mail addressed to someone else? ? ?

When you opened a letter, without your name, you opened "Pandora' s Box" and are guilty on multiple charges.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Mudcatter Richard Bridge ESQ appears to be a solicitor that may help you connect to various legal resolutions.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Rahere
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:16 PM

The first thing to be said is that the question of identity against address was dealt with some years ago: if you are not the person named on the warrant, it cannot be held against you.
The second thing is that the error of name and address may be a technical justification to get the case thrown out: it would be double jeopardy to change it.
On the other hand, there are circumstances where the question of innocence can be put in question by certain odd forms of resetting the record to where it stood beforehand. From the way you are talking, you may want to spend a hundred pounds or so to consult a solicitor and have them accompany you as your witness in taking the summons back to the issuing authority yourself. You will probably need a strong proof of identity, such as a passport, and proof of your address sufficient to assure the issuing authority that you have the authority to affirm that the person charged is unknown at that address. I specifically use the term issuing authority as it is usually a Court Officer who issues the warrant, and the correct procedure to get it annulled will probably be done out of your sight by your solicitor taking your paperwork before the magistrate or district judge and swearing that they have verified your identity and can affirm that the warrant has been served to someone unknown at the address in question. Although it is technically possible to speak for yourself in a Magistrate's Court, it is not advisable, and will cause no end of delay, whereas if you have a solicitor in town, they are usually known and can always be checked so it sails through on the nod, as far as you are concerned.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:03 PM

SPB, why on earth would a traffic offence, alleged to have been committed by another individual, be included in a DBS (CRB) check? It makes no sense.

Do as you've been advised by me and a number of others right from the top of the thread - return the form with a letter explaining that the person and vehicle are unknown at the address, keep a copy of the form and your letter, and post it by Recorded Delivery - and stop worrying!

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 05:54 PM

More info, I spoke to DVLA this morning and they confirmed that the vehicle is not registered at my address. However, as the letter says it was a speed camera offence, I am at a loss as how the letter was addressed to my home. I am thinking that it could be that the police wrote the wrong flat number if they looked up the address. Alternatively, it might just be a typo on the letter.

I do need to know that all references to my address are going to be expunged as when I get my next DBS (CRB) check I don't want it to show i, or my address has been subject to investigation as I work with organisations that work with vulnerable adults and children.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Anne Lister
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 11:29 AM

You can't be prosecuted if you are not the person named as the owner of the vehicle and you have never owned the vehicle concerned. You can't be prosecuted for not giving information you don't have. All you have to do, as people have suggested further up this thread, is return the letter to the address it was sent from, marked clearly "not known at this address". If you want to go into more detail, then write a letter being specific about the fact that you have no knowledge of the person concerned or the vehicle concerned. That's all. No need to panic. No need to worry.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 11:16 AM

SPB wrote that

"This has got me so stressed, I can't sleep and I need to go to a consultation meeting tomorrow so I need to be very mentally alert."

He or she could use a little comforting or some good advice, but you don't give a damn about a fellow countryman, do you?

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 08:25 AM

Nope? Now they can't shoot suspects on sight, they seem to be electrocuting them instead.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 08:22 AM

Typos encourage us to look up and discover the meaning of obscure and previously unknown words, like this one from the Urban Dictionary (an untrustworthy source):

Mour
The act of juggling hammers whilst nailing nails into the dry wall above.
"The man Moured the heck out of those nails"

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 08:09 AM

Bugger, try again.........

Fortunately, unlike the insane USA, our police officers don't carry guns.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 08:07 AM

Fortunately, unlike the insane USA, OUR POLICE OFFICERS DON'T CARRY GUNS.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Ed T
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:54 AM

If you did not do anything illegal, the worst they can do to you is shoot you-(more than once, if you live in the US of A).

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Waddon Pete
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 07:28 AM

Backwoodsman has it right. Recorded delivery and don't forget to keep a copy!

Best wishes,

Peter

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 03:43 AM

I would do what BobL suggests - the same thing I do when mail arrives in my post office box addressed to people who I've never heard of. Return to Sender, not at this address.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: BobL
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 03:24 AM

In fact, if the letter was addressed this Martin Ryzio chap and not to you, then arguably the only thing you can be accused of is opening someone else's mail. I'd have sent it back, unopened, marked "Not known at this address" (which the Electoral Register should support).

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:51 AM

Yes to all of that.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Musket
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 02:45 AM

As the letter wasn't sent to you, you are just a bystander. Your citizen obligations extend to confirming nobody of that name lives there and nobody at that address is the registered owner of that car.

If you wish any piece of mind, hear that advice from your local Citizens advice rather than some blokes on the Internet.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 27 Nov 14 - 01:49 AM

...but it seemed like a good liberal policy, at the time....



HELLO!?!?!??


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 11:39 PM

Defend yourself against those nazis. Buy a gun. Oh, no, you can't do that in England.

Defend yourself with a knife. Oh, that's out, too.

Use strong language. Or no, that's punishable by up to 14 years in England now.

Continue panicking.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Mrrzy
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 11:27 PM

Let us know how it turns out, and take deep breaths, into a paper bag if you have to.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: gnu
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 08:29 PM

"A letter arrived through my door today..." No, it didn't. End of story. Except for using it in the hob.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,,gargoyle
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 08:06 PM

Resumé
by Dorthy Parker (USA)

Razors pain you;
Rivers are damp;
Acids stain you;
And drugs cause cramp.
Guns aren't lawful;
Nooses give;
Gas smells awful;
You might as well live.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

QT

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 07:35 PM

There is a process for dealing with this on the DVLA website

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:45 PM

http://www.driving-law.co.uk/terms/intended_prosecution.asp

Notice of Intended Prosecution can be given by letter - it's probably not a scam.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:43 PM

Play a totally straight bat and be completely open. You've done nowt so you'll be OK. It must be horrible for you and you have my sympathy, but it will pass.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:41 PM

Write back explaining that the person named does not live at that address and is unknown to you, and that you have never owned the vehicle concerned. Send your letter by recorded delivery, and keep a copy.

Then wait.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:36 PM

I can only think of two possibilities:

The driver/owner used my address to register the vehicle - as far as I know DVLC do not bother to check if the person actually lives at the address.

DVLC have got the address wrong in their database.

This has got me so stressed, I can't sleep and I need to go to a consultation meeting tomorrow so I need to be very mentally alert.

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Ed T
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:30 PM

It seems to me that, in matters like this the police woukd deal with people directly, not through letters.

I would contact the police directly. It could be an early phase of a scam?

Subject: RE: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: Jack Campin
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:29 PM

Giving a fake address when stopped by the cops must be routine enough that they'll know what to do about it.

It's not like they're suspecting you of having an unlicenced TV.

Subject: BS: help - I am starting to panic
From: SPB-Cooperator
Date: 26 Nov 14 - 06:15 PM

A letter arrived through my door today from Essex Police regarding "Intention to Prosecute". However, it was addressed to someone who I have never heard of, and who does not, and as far as I am aware, has never lived at my address.

The offence was in respect of a vehicle I have never owned a Mercedes C63 AMG AUTO, which was driven on 9/11/2014, when I was at home. My last car, which has been off the road for more than a year, and has just been sold for scrap was a Vauxhall Corsa,

The police have sent me a form asking for the identity of the driver, or asking the mysterious Martin Ryzio. However, the only question I can answer is the name of the driver, as this is the name provided by the police. The letter says that I can be prosecuted for not providing the information, even though I do not have a clue as per the persons address etc.

The letter also say that the police will not disccuss this with me as it forms part of an active investigation.

What do I need to do? Can I be prosecuted in Martin Rozio's absence? Can I be accused of given a false name? Should I worry about this? If Martin Ryzio doe snot respond do th epolice have the power to break down my door with an arrest warrant?

HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!