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Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger

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Roger the Skiffler 02 Dec 14 - 10:38 AM
GUEST,sciencegeek 02 Dec 14 - 12:43 PM
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Thomas Stern 02 Dec 14 - 03:52 PM
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Subject: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 10:38 AM

Among the items I got for my 71st birthday recently was the CD reissue of Paul Clayton:Folksinger/Sings homemade songs and ballads. The notes are scant but pay tribute to the accompanying musicians, none of whom are listed. Does anyone have the original LP release. Were the other participants named?
RtS


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,sciencegeek
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 12:43 PM

what a great gift! sorry I never saw the original LP.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Mrrzy
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 02:49 PM

We had that record, my sister who inherited all the vinyl might be able to answer. I will send missives toward Tasmania, but she is, be warned, slow to respond. At least to questions about the vinyl I didn't get...


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Thomas Stern
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 03:52 PM

I do not see any information about accompanying musicians on any
readily accessible web site discography (e.g. WIRZ, BSNPUBS).
BOB COLTMAN author of "Paul Clayton and the Folksong Revival" (American Folk Music and Musicians Series), Scarecrow Press 2008
might have included information in the book, or may know - anyone have contact for him ??
The PAUL CLAYTON collection at UMD (University of Mass., Dartmouth) might also have information.
Good luck!
Please let us know if you get the answer....
Best wishes, Thomas.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 02 Dec 14 - 06:44 PM

I have both of the lps (on Monument) In my hand - the only credits that can be found is to Bill Porter for engineering the "Home Made Songs" LP--it looks like there is no info on the musicians.


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 06:08 AM

Thanks, Guest. Frustrating! Some nice banjo & bass on there and backing voices.

RtS


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Subject: RE: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 02:19 PM

I think a few of the CD tracks were not released on the LPs. (eg. Momunent 45-450V.) Alas, no back-up credit on that center label either.

Coltman isn't much help with: "The follow-up single was weak: his cover of "Yellow Bird," the Belafonte-bred pop dilution of one of Haiti's greatest songs, "Choucoune," backed with "Kilgary Mountain," originally popularized in America by Burl Ives but in latter days associated with the Clancy Brothers. (p.179)

FYI: Belafonte's cover was actually 'Don't Ever Love Me' as bred and pop-diluted (or adapted) by Irving Burgie.


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 04:54 PM

Hi all. I can't add much. Session information on those Monument recordings has never yet been accessible to my knowledge.

The one thing that is known is that the famous Jordanaires did the vocal backup. The instrumentation, however, is uncredited. I assume that somewhere in the Monument files, if they still exist, there must be information about the personnel on the masters; but I don't know that for a fact. As things stand now, the identities of the session musicians are a mystery.

Let's hope someday the full Monument session information can be made available. It sure would help for questions like these.

Phil, I'm not clear on how the bit you quoted applies. It's true that that single is the same story, no session information. Not sure, though, what relationship "Don't Ever Love Me" has to "Yellow Bird." Are you saying Belafonte didn't perform "Yellow Bird?" I'm away from my sources right now, but I'm pretty sure he did.

Best wishes to all, Bob


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,#
Date: 03 Dec 14 - 08:32 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkpUuB37L-I

Belafonte comes in at 2:30.


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 01:50 AM

1st post should have opened with: Bill Porter was a genius.

Bob: Burgie's Euro-American interpretation of Choucoune is musically faithful to the Creole original both he and Franz Casseus (guitar) had already covered. Please do post it here if you find the Belafonte-Yellow Bird reference.

I bring up this 45 as the OP didn't mention which CD track(s) were of interest. The LP credits may or may not help. I've been asking 'Who are those guys?' pretty much since it came out. Btw the Euro was on London (LED 232.)

I've always pegged the A-side as more Norman Luboff/Richard Vaughn inspired (the latter was Arthur Lyman's engineer.) Before he left RCA Bill Porter engineered Chet Atkin's take on Yellow Bird in '62. I think Atkins' last cover was in '69 under Nashville String Band with Henry "Homer" Haynes and Kenneth "Jethro" Burns not too long after Paul died.

Re: The youtube link above, the Kingston Trio also did not cover Yellow Bird (Yes, we have no banana?) You're hearing The Brothers Four on track #1.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-l6X1UVUH74
All apologies for threadcreep but... "Who are those guys?"


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 05:51 AM

Here's Amazon's list of the tracks on Sings Homemade Songs And Ballads / Folk Singer!. Apparently, it's no longer available from Amazon in the U.S. Guess I'd better keep the CD, so I can sell if for the inflated prices that merchants charge for out-of-production recordings.


    1. Durango Jail
    2. Last Cigarette
    3. Pharaoh's Army
    4. Bully of the Town
    5. Love for Love
    6. Long John (Long Gone)
    7. On the Job Too Long
    8. Who's Gonna Buy You Ribbons (When I'm Gone)
    9. Pretty Peggy-O
    10. This Morning She Was Gone
    11. If She's Gone (Let Her Go)
    12. Young But Growing
    13. Pay Day at Coal Creek
    14. Silver City Bound
    15. Green Rocky Road
    16. Down by the Rio Grande
    17. Gotta Travel On
    18. San Francisco Bay Blues
    19. Wild Mountain Thyme
    20. Goin' on Down the Road
    21. Spanish Is the Loving Tongue
    22. Lie Down Betty
    23. Cecil Gone in the Time of Storm
    24. Life Is a Toil
    25. So Long (It's Been Good to Know You)
    26. This Land Is Your Land
    27. Yellow Bird
    28. Kilgary Mountain


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Bob Coltman
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 06:49 PM

Phil: Yes, Burgie soloing as Lord Burgess on a Stinson recording performed a superb Choucounne, a great favorite of mine. Indeed that whole album is outstanding. Miles distant from Yellow Bird.


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 11:55 PM

Might help explain Clayton having a go at "Yellow Bird:"

Subject: RE: Did you know Gino (Geno) Foreman
From: GUEST,Steve wilson
Date: 15 Apr 12 - 12:42 AM

"I was a friend.of Dylan and Paul Clayton and geno a d (Albert) came to visit my place in Charlottesville, va. I may have a old reel tape of him playing and drumming on guitar. We did a lot of dope and listened to the the bahama singers at van ronk and cornfields place on wavily. Xlnc@DMV.com"


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Subject: RE: Reissue of LP: Paul Clayton: Folksinger
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Dec 15 - 01:40 AM

It won't answer Roger's question, but Stefan Wirz has a very good Paul Clayton discography at http://www.wirz.de/music/claytfrm.htm.

-Joe-


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