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Tune Add: Serpent / Chain Cotillion from Valmai

GUEST,leeneia 04 Dec 14 - 09:46 PM
Joe Offer 05 Dec 14 - 02:02 AM
Ged Fox 05 Dec 14 - 03:43 AM
Jack Campin 05 Dec 14 - 06:49 AM
TheSnail 05 Dec 14 - 09:32 AM
GUEST,leeneia 05 Dec 14 - 09:42 AM
GUEST,Valmai Goodyear 05 Dec 14 - 11:55 AM
GUEST,Valmai Goodyear 05 Dec 14 - 12:31 PM
Ged Fox 05 Dec 14 - 01:37 PM
Joe Offer 05 Dec 14 - 06:42 PM
GUEST,Valmai Goodyear 05 Dec 14 - 06:45 PM
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Subject: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 04 Dec 14 - 09:46 PM

Mudcatter Valmai Goodyear has started a thread about certain Sussex carol concerts in her area. She has posted a video of a related piece, a cotillion, with a serpent featured. I don't know what it was called before, but I am naming it the Serpent Cotillion.

A serpent in this case is a bass musical instrument. I remember hearing of the serpent in a story by Thomas Hardy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=St-RZ2ItG2o&feature=youtu.be

When I heard the cotillion, I decided my friends would love playing it. So I made two MIDI's and am sending them in to be posted here. One is simply the melody, the other is a fancier version.

I tried to transcribe the original bass part, but it got too hard, so I made one up.

Watch this spot.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 02:02 AM

Here are the MIDI files from leeneia:


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: Ged Fox
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 03:43 AM

I believe it's usually known as the "Sussex Cotillion"


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: Jack Campin
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 06:49 AM

Score and video on Lester's Tune a Day:

http://lesters-tune-a-day.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/tune-6-sussex-cottilion-from-manuscript.html


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: TheSnail
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 09:32 AM

To add to what Lester says, the manuscript is from the Bosham Band. Bosham (prounounced Boz-um) is a beautiful village on (and frequently under) Chichester Harbour at the exreme west end of Sussex. As far as I know, it appears there simply as Cotillion. It isn't in 'The Sussex Tunebook' but was published (probably for the first time in 200 years in 'Lewes Favourites' which is also sadly now out of print but the tunes from it are available in various forms here Lewes Favourites. The Cotillion is first in the book. It is graatifying to see how it has spread.
The four part arrangement on the video is by Stuart Walker our musical director who, as Valmai has said, had to stand down this year. The serpent's bass line is very much his own as he didn't have the range for the written one. Valmai has also written a three part arrangement. She is setting to the serpent player's left playing concertina.


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 09:42 AM

I'm grateful that it isn't a fairly well-known piece by Jeremiah Clarke. What a waste of effort that would have been.

Now, who's going to play it, and what will you play it on?

My band has harp, guitar, recorder flute and percussion.


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Subject: Tune Add: Chain Cotillion
From: GUEST,Valmai Goodyear
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 11:55 AM

I did a three-part arrangement of an extended version of The Cotillion, which Bryan (TheSnail) Creer and I took to Whitby Folk Week this year to use in our concertina workshops.

If I can get a link to work, here it is on SoundCloud as we all played it in the workshop: Chain Cotillion for concertinas The balance is a bit strange as the recorder was rather close to the bass concertina.

The extended version has two extra sections and comes from a website of French dance tunes.

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: GUEST,Valmai Goodyear
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 12:31 PM

The Cotillion appears (under the name 'Chain Cotillion) in the EFDSS publication 'Hardcore English' by Barry Callaghan and is in print.

'Hardcore English' was inspired by the Lewes Favourites collection. 'The Lewes Favourites' is a collection of favourite tunes played at English tunes sessions in the Lewes area; Barry Callaghan had the bright idea of assembling a collection of tunes popular throughout the country at English tunes sessions. The second volume of The Lewes Favourites is still in print.

The serpent player with Shepherds Arise caused a certain amount of distress at our last band practice by playing a few wrong notes and shouting 'Oh, s**t!' which naturally led people to assume he'd followed through.

Finally, I should point out that in the video Bryan TheSnail Creer is sitting between the clarinet and the flute.

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: 'the Serpent Cotillion' from Valmai
From: Ged Fox
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 01:37 PM

A quick Google takes it back to 1750 with names including "La Novelle Hollandaise" and "La Louisa." (Wild speculation on my part that the latter name might indicate a connection of the tune with Charles II's mistress, the Duchess of Portsmouth, and, by chance, I generally pair the Chain Cotillion with "Portsmouth")


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Serpent / Chain Cotillion from Valmai
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 06:42 PM

I posted Valmai's MIDI and notation for the "Chain Cotillion."


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Serpent / Chain Cotillion from Valmai
From: GUEST,Valmai Goodyear
Date: 05 Dec 14 - 06:45 PM

Thanks, Joe!

Valmai (Lewes)


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Serpent / Chain Cotillion from Valmai
From: Marje
Date: 06 Dec 14 - 05:10 PM

Valmai, you'll be pleased to hear that, having learned that tune with you in Lewes, I have introduced it at my local session in Devon. A tune that has a similar feel to it, and the same numbers of bars (8+ 12) is a Welsh tune called Meillionen, which I have learned recently and may one day play back-to-back with the Cotillion.
Marje


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Subject: RE: Tune Add: Serpent / Chain Cotillion from Valmai
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Dec 14 - 11:19 AM

Hello, Valmai. Your 'Chain Cotillion' in three parts is wonderful. It's also longer than the 'Serpent Cotillion' which I took off the YouTube video.

Thanks for doing that.

(I see that both your MIDI and mine have problems with the half notes. I'm sure I didn't enter them that way. However, the problem is easy to fix, though it takes time.)


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