BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:25 AM

So if I say that someone is talking bullshit, it automatically means that they are not talking bullshit because I have no counter-argument, huh? Has it occurred to you that there is bullshit that you just can't fight? Like pork you can't educate?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:33 AM

is the counter argument of those who have none.

Absolutely!Yes, we have no bullshit.

Next, T-Bird, KOA & company will demand that I prove the earth isn't flat.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 09:46 AM

So, uh, who's funding ISIS?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:51 AM

Or, for that matter, MICES?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:59 AM

Who is funding IS?

This Newsweek article seems to cover it.

In brief:
They hold an oil rich territory roughly the size of Austria so I would imagine smuggling and selling the oil would be their main revenue stream.

Selling artifacts is another.

Taxation and extortion another.

Kidnapping for ransom.

Donations from sympathisers.

Fake Humanitarian Aidraudulent Charity donations.

Reportedly their revenue equates to ~$6 million a day.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:01 AM

More importantly, who's doing the recruiting for ISIS?

So far, U.S. BuShite foreign policy is leading the way with Britain not too far behind.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:45 AM

Thank you for the info.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 11:49 AM

In countries like the U.S., Canada and Britain, potential recruits must find a jihadi mentor, which can be done online or through ISIS supporters in their local communities, according to Imam Syed Soharwardy, founder of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada.

"I cannot believe that there is no one from ISIS on the ground here in Canada or the U.S. or Europe. They are now recruiting, so they are absolutely here," he told IBTimes. "IS people, those who are very rigid fanatics, they do live in this country, they do recruit. They do facilitate in recruitment."

The mentor-recruit relationship often begins through religious seminars, community activities or classes that might look normal to the average Westerner, Soharwardy said. Of the five known foreign fighters in Syria from Calgary, Alberta, three attended the same mosque, Soharwardy said.

It's important for recruits to mention the "right mosques" and to choose the right mentor.

IBTimes

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 12:45 PM

Steve: "So if I say that someone is talking bullshit, it automatically means that they are not talking bullshit because I have no counter-argument, huh?"

OK... 'talking bullshit', as compared to what???..the truth??...and if you know what that is, spit it out....it would be a breath of fresh air, compared to 'talking bullshit'...wouldn't you agree???....as long as you're the one who brought up 'talking bullshit'.

The next post:

Greg F.: "is the counter argument of those who have none."

Unless that IS ALL they know!

GUEST: "Bullshit", and the like, is the counter argument of those who have none."

See above.

So I repeat. "OK... 'talking bullshit', as compared to what???..the truth??...and if you know what that is, spit it out....it would be a breath of fresh air, compared to 'talking bullshit'...wouldn't you agree???....as long as you're the one who brought up 'talking bullshit'.

Why don't some of you nincompoops just state a position, or at least state an opinion, and back up your claim??

...unless you can't reach one....though all your focus on 'bullshit'.

Note: Teribus and I straightened out the (smaller) details by a civil discussion....and it brought clarity.....all you guys have done is brought the venting of some mysteriously, groundless name calling, with nothing to back it up. What are you waiting for??...someone to feed you some 'Talking points', flavored with artificial sweeteners, and organic 'bullshit'??

GfS

P.S. I suspect that a true liberal position would have its merits...but this 'so-called liberal' crap has just about ran out ANY credibility!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 12:49 PM

And that was total bullshit.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:00 PM

Guest from Sanity, I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope. :)

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:14 PM

Well, I came to this thread to learn. I already know how to cuss.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 01:18 PM

Apropos of nothing, I traded emails with Imam Syed Soharwardy about six or seven years back and found him to be an honest straight-forward individual.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 03:36 PM

Ebbie: "I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope. :)"

But at least he can carry on a civil exchange of ideas.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 06:01 PM

that a true liberal position...

And what, exactly, would that be whe its home?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 07:11 PM

Note: Teribus and I straightened out the (smaller) details by a civil discussion....and it brought clarity...

Poor Teribus. His tightly-argued extreme right-wing positions attract a certain type like flies to a turd. His self-declared allies are Goofus, Ake and Keith. He's occasionally defended the latter (in admittedly lukewarm terms) but, let's face it, his acolytes must be making life tough. As you and he together, via your civil discussions, have brought us so much clarity, I look forward to his warm endorsement of your lucid opinions. A bit lacking as yet...

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:10 PM

Greg: "And what, exactly, would that be whe its home?"

Are you trying to make sense???....get some more sleep!

Steve, once again you are making no sense....all I posted was that Teribus and I had a civil discussion ....civil discussion.....you know?..civil discussion.......hmmm, maybe that is a new concept, and you don't know what that is....try again...civil discussion

Just look it up, and try not to argue with the website's definition.

....civil discussion....


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 15 - 10:21 PM

Now that we've established 'civil discussion'...what are your views on, 'Who is training ISIS the US Army'.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 01:08 AM

Some years back, the U. S. Army trained some Syrians and other Mid-Easterners leading up to previous conflicts. Britain and a couple of other coalition countries were involved also. Since then, some of these Mid-Eastern trainees have joined Isis.

So the claim that the U. S. Army is training Isis rebels is a spurious allegation.

But screwing around with recent history gives the U. S. haters, both foreign and domestic, an opportunity to run around screaming and feeling self-righteous.

Ho-Hum…. Another boring day at the skunk works.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 02:24 AM

Don: "....some Syrians and other Mid-Easterners...."

Though I agree, would you care to elaborate?

Don: "So the claim that the U. S. Army is training Isis rebels is a spurious allegation."

Earlier, I had posted, "Whether or not it comes out WHO is training them...there is no doubt, who has supplied them!!!...the question is knowingly??....or by sheer ineptitude?" In that, I'm not saying, that we trained them(ISIS), but we sure supplied them.

Think it might be a consortium of financial investors?...as a means to an end?
Possible.

Think that one supplies the labor, and the other the materials? Possible.

Would you consider, whomever was behind some of these decisions was operating from 'The Right' or from 'The Left'???........or for the banking institutions involved??

Think we'd ever get to see THAT portfolio????

Don, though we've established 'quite a history', there is no agenda of confrontation....let's just 'contribute'...OK?

(....and all snide remarks must be meant in humor, both ways, giving and receiving.....or you may wish to waive that right).
Smiling...

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 03:08 AM

"Steve Shaw - 18 Mar 15 - 07:11 PM" You are succeeding brilliantly in making yourself look sillier and sillier.

Acolytes?? - You might need those I most certainly do not.

GfS and myself agree on some things and no doubt disagree on others, however, unlike you, he states what he thinks and backs that up with why he thinks that way providing sources and references when and where necessary. It is therefore possible to have a discussion exchanging ideas and point of view. Same goes for Akenaton and Keith A of Hertford.

Others with whom I agree with on certain topics include Jim Carroll (Folk Music and the importance of maintaining the "Tradition"), Musktwat (Scottish Referendum), Big Al (Capital Punishment).

Still see that as far as the subject of this thread goes both yourself and GregF have yet to contribute anything towards the discussion, what's the matter? Have you not been told what to think yet?

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 05:50 AM

Steve, You have reverted to personal abuse now.
If you had an argument you would deploy it.
You have nothing, so you say "bullshit" or "extreme right wing" because you do not need to know anything to say that.

Anyone can do what you do.
Putting up an argument requires knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Mar 15 - 06:50 AM

sensible people around here refuse, with good reason, to play your "prove it" games,

It is not a "game" to ask someone to support their assertions in debate with some evidence.
If the assertions were not just made up preconceptions, you would be able to.
But you can't.

Subject: RE: BS: Who is training ISIS the US Army
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 20 Mar 15 - 12:03 AM

Ebbie: "Guest from Sanity, I suspect that the T doesn't like you and your positions as well as you hope."

Well, Ebbie, that might be true to some extent, but there IS ONE important thing we agree on........(Note his last sentence)

Teribus: "Still see that as far as the subject of this thread goes both yourself and GregF have yet to contribute anything towards the discussion, what's the matter? Have you not been told what to think yet?

...and this is from only my TENTH post on Mudcat, from seven years ago!!:(Note the last paragraph...even though the whole post still holds!).

From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
RE: BS: Voting for Hillary?         04 Jun 08
Date: 04 Jun 08

Riginslinger,
    Being as Little Hawk was merely quoting(cut and pasting) me, I'll jump out there and reply, for him, as well as myself. As I posted earlier, BOTH parties have been corrupted!, and the ideals that they used to stand for have been co-opted by the agendas of those, who have no interest, whatsoever, in representing you, or the original intention of either party. Haven't you noticed, that within yourself, that we tend to 'agree' and go along with what someone proposes, or compromises for, rather, than having them (the party) actually representing the majority will of their constituents?? Too many times we end up having to just 'go along' with what they come up with....and usually, it has NOTHING to do with the principles or ideals of our constitution...but always a stretch! Slowly by slowly, our form of government is changing, without the will, nor consent of the people. ..and we just sit around, to argue the 'party line' Well, my dear friend, the party (both) are, and have been, out of line, for a long, long time. Now we debate issues, that are not realities, to principles, but rather 'trends' fashioned to fit the 'agendas' shaped though corruption. This has become so obvious, that most think it normal!
You are told what to think, not 'how' to think!!..Remember, right wing and left wing are on the same bird..(and its not our eagle, either). Clear enough????"


Well, well, well..some people catch on sooner than others....it just takes a bit of honestly, with ourselves!

Hey Ebbie, I'm routin' for ya'!

GfS