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BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.

Steve Shaw 25 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM
Stu 25 Mar 15 - 09:23 AM
GUEST,# 25 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM
GUEST,# 25 Mar 15 - 09:16 AM
GUEST,Raggytash 25 Mar 15 - 09:14 AM
GUEST,Dave the Gnome 25 Mar 15 - 09:08 AM
Stu 25 Mar 15 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,pete from seven stars link 25 Mar 15 - 08:33 AM
Stu 25 Mar 15 - 06:42 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 25 Mar 15 - 04:38 AM
Musket 25 Mar 15 - 02:58 AM
GUEST,Shimrod (in gas pedant mode) 24 Mar 15 - 07:00 PM
GUEST,# 24 Mar 15 - 04:32 PM
Stu 24 Mar 15 - 03:14 PM
GUEST,MikeL2 24 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,MikeL2 24 Mar 15 - 02:11 PM
GUEST 24 Mar 15 - 02:06 PM
GUEST,Raggytash 24 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM
GUEST,pete from seven stars link 24 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 24 Mar 15 - 12:50 PM
MGM·Lion 24 Mar 15 - 12:46 PM
Steve Shaw 24 Mar 15 - 11:36 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Mar 15 - 11:34 AM
GUEST,MikeL2 24 Mar 15 - 11:25 AM
GUEST,HiLo 24 Mar 15 - 11:13 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Mar 15 - 11:09 AM
GUEST,HiLo 24 Mar 15 - 10:16 AM
GUEST,# 24 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM
Steve Shaw 24 Mar 15 - 07:39 AM
GUEST,# 23 Mar 15 - 03:02 PM
mayomick 23 Mar 15 - 01:57 PM
The Sandman 23 Mar 15 - 01:19 PM
mayomick 23 Mar 15 - 11:37 AM
Greg F. 23 Mar 15 - 09:27 AM
Musket 23 Mar 15 - 06:27 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 23 Mar 15 - 03:56 AM
Stu 23 Mar 15 - 03:28 AM
akenaton 23 Mar 15 - 03:08 AM
Musket 23 Mar 15 - 02:35 AM
GUEST,Shimrod 22 Mar 15 - 07:08 PM
akenaton 22 Mar 15 - 03:09 PM
GUEST,Shimrod 22 Mar 15 - 03:00 PM
Stu 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM
Stilly River Sage 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM
GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant) 22 Mar 15 - 01:53 PM
GUEST 22 Mar 15 - 01:28 PM
GUEST,Pete from seven stars link 22 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM
GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant) 22 Mar 15 - 12:57 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM

They dropped Carlson too. Some time in 1937, I believe. He ran a Home Service programme featuring souped-up Model Ts called "Top Double Declutch". Got in trouble for punching the bloke with the red flag.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:23 AM

One less wart on the arse of the BBC.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM

LOL. Make that Clarkson.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:16 AM

The Beeb dropped Carlson.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:14 AM

Pete, you still haven't responded to my query


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:08 AM

You don't need science if you have faith, Stu. You should know that by now. I believe that Pete is an utter knobhead. No need for proof. My faith sustains me...


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 08:56 AM

"evolutionism is the result of accumulative philosophically driven interpretations of the same evidence and data that all scientists have"

You are utterly, totally wrong and I suspect you know that in your heart of hearts. The principles are exactly the same, both utilise the scientific method and both are still developing. To say otherwise is just not correct and pretty insulting to all of us that are scientists and work with honesty and integrity to discover the nature of things.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 08:33 AM

stu, methinks I did not. your car is the result of accumulative knowledge, and a car is the result. it is operative, testable, observable, repeatable science/engineering.
evolutionism is the result of accumulative philosophically driven interpretations of the same evidence and data that all scientists have, whatever their views on origins. and the result of all that Darwin dogma is nothing tangible at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 06:42 AM

It looks like ole Jezza might be for the high jump. Shame. What's the world come too when you can't twat your fellow employees and minions with impunity?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 04:38 AM

That criminally barmy loathsome street preacher from Taunton
might fit in quite comfortably here at mudcat...!!!???

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-somerset-32017649


... actually he's gobby and old enough to be a candidate for hosting Top Gear...
well at least it might keep him off the streets....?????


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 02:58 AM

If it helps, Clarkson said that whilst everybody was complaining about his comments on Mexico, a priest said the comments could influence children and that is dangerous.

Clarkson merrily tweeted links to this priest arguing for creationism to be taught as a science.

Just pulling the tangent round. 😎


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (in gas pedant mode)
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:00 PM

" ... I can carry on responding to the evolution believers ..."

You're confusing 'belief' and 'evidence' again, pete.

"I have probably read or viewed more evolutionist propaganda ..."

Give us some titles then, pete. Hit us with some references, 'creation boy'!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 04:32 PM

"New Rule: Stop asking Miss USA contestants if they believe in evolution. It's not their field. It's like asking Stephen Hawking if he believes in hair scrunchies. Here's what they know about: spray tans, fake boobs and baton twirling. Here's what they don't know about: everything else. If I cared about the uninformed opinions of some ditsy beauty queen, I'd join the Tea Party."

Bill Maher


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 03:14 PM

"stu, you have a point so far, except that no scientist knows it all either"

You've missed the point pete. Just because no one person knows all there is to know about the theories, processes, physics, chemistry etc etc that means a modern car can be designed, manufactured and assembled by a single human, doesn't mean the car doesn't exist or won't work. It a massive collaborative effort, with thousands of people contributing to the accumulated knowledge over the years that means we can build these cars.

No one scientist knows it all, but when you have hundreds of thousands of scientists working for centuries then eventually we can begin to understand the world and universe we live in. Evolution is a result of THAT accumulated knowledge (as is the car).


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM

Hi Michael

Yes RIGHT up the Gunners....!!!

Seriously though I think they will finish up 2nd in the Premier League this time.

Mind you they still have to come to Old Trafford....!!!!????

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 02:11 PM

Hi Steve

You will have me shot !!!! LOL

Regards

Mike


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 02:06 PM

"Do creationists believe we are all descended from incestuous relationships"

... welllll.. that might explain Jeremy Clarkson's fan base...???


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM

There's a bit of creationist theory which always bemuses me. I have to admit know little of it. However if Adam and Eve had sons named Cain Abel and Seth and other sons and daughters in order for the next generation to come along there must have been a bit of incest which is against the teachings of every church I can think off. Do creationists believe we are all descended from incestuous relationships.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM

well, I reckon, that if football can get in here, I can carry on responding to the evolution believers. oops...stilly don't like that term, and seems to think I am misusing it. however, stilly does not say what the evidence for her belief is, and shimrod merely asserts that it is evidenced. however, the scientists have the same evidence, whatever their position on origins. and as I have said before, I have probably read or viewed more evolutionist propaganda than shimrod has read creationist.....who is the blinkered one !!    stu, you have a point so far, except that no scientist knows it all either. in fact, does any evolutionist know how it, supposedly ,works,as in the details you demand of the inner science of engines.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:50 PM

At least Jeremy Clarkson doesn't (often) talk about f***ing football!!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:46 PM

Oh do I really have to say it again!?

OK then ----

U P   T H E   G U N N E R S


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:36 AM

(Blimey, Mike, I shouldn't have done that, should I. You know how these yanks can take you literally....)


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:34 AM

Help, mods!! Troll red alert!!! There's a Man U fan about!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,MikeL2
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:25 AM

Hi Steve

<" This week, the world's two greatest footballers, Steven Gerrard and Martin Skrtel,">

Hmmmmm !!! Maybe Stephen Gerrard ....just maybe..!!!

Skrtel is a whole-hearted player who gives his all ..but World Class...don't think so.

Next you'll be saying Ballotelli is World class !! LOL

I was at Anfield and saw a very physical hard-fought game. Great to watch, especially to Man United Suppporters like me !!!

Gerrard's action was totally out of character but Skrtel for once got caught for his one of his many reckless tackles.

Cheers

MikeL2


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:13 AM

Sorry if I took his name in vain, but he a bit of a prat.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:09 AM

How dare you speak of God in those terms! :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:16 AM

Bono would be my nominee in the celebrity dickhead dept..


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM

Someone beat you to it, Steve. But it has the American spelling. Good post, btw.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:39 AM

When you come to think of it, it's quite healthy that we see these pedestalised* superstars with their pants down every now and again. I get fed up with seeing these knobheads who make their millions from entertaining us pontificating about stuff that they know nothing about. John Lennon springs immediately to mind. This week, the world's two greatest footballers, Steven Gerrard and Martin Skrtel, have demonstrated to the planet that they are just very talented dickheads. I think Clarkson is cut from the same cloth. The sooner these arrogant guys learn that they are just like everyone else except in the very limited sphere in which they achieved success, whether it be pop music, footie or making programmes about cars, the better.


*I think I've made up a new word.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:02 PM

http://www.buzzfeed.com/deannye/funny-parody-interview-with-clarkson-waiter#.ly78kaYyA


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 01:57 PM

It may or mat not have been a spoof - very funny either way.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: The Sandman
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 01:19 PM

HILARIOUS, I am glad someone has a sense of humour, the whole thing is very funny. Clakson will be laughing to the bank too.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: mayomick
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 11:37 AM

 Pedro Lopez ,the Spanish waiter who served Jeremy Clarkson, on what really happened the night Clarkson punched his producer:

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2015/03/15/interview-with-waiter-who-served-jeremy-clarkson-the-night-he-punched-his-producer/


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Greg F.
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 09:27 AM

pete's stance very ... thought provoking

Contradiction in terms. pete's "stance" is the antithesis of thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:27 AM

Takes two mirrors and the sort of bending I could do before the advent of my beer belly.

If Akenaton looks inside himself, I wonder if he can'grasp and understand what others see? If you look inside yourself, surely you then try to lose the bigotry and hatred?

Just a thought.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:56 AM

"Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?"

You mean like a sort of auto-colonoscopy?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:28 AM

"Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?"

Do you think science and spirituality are mutually exclusive?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: akenaton
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 03:08 AM

Does nobody look inside themselves any longer?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Musket
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 02:35 AM

"A deeper truth than science can provide." in all seriousness, what the flying fuck does that mean? Not having the answers means just that. It doesn't mean God did it.

Stu points out that Clarkson is not an engineer. Correct, he is a journalist who presents TV shows. pete's faith in Clarkson's ability to explain car engines is touching really. Like Preachers, Clarkson tends to explain with a big hammer.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 07:08 PM

I hope you're not going all 'spiritual-on-our-ass', Ake!

pete has been (has allowed himself to be?) brainwashed by religious fundamentalists.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: akenaton
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 03:09 PM

I agree with Shimrod, tho' I don't get angry.
I find pete's stance very interesting and thought provoking and like Shim,"it has caused me to think deeply about the nature of both evidence and belief."

I think pete is trying to show us all a deeper truth than "science" can provide?


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 03:00 PM

You're absolutely right, SRS, but pete's endless wilful confusion of evidence and belief is peculiarly provoking and infuriating (although it has caused me to think deeply about the nature of both evidence and belief).

We should, though, stick to the topic. Jeremy Clarkson is a British TV presenter - of a BBC motoring programme called Top Gear - who has a very abrasive style which is very polarising; some people love him for his 'robust' sense of humour whilst other people hate him. Top Gear, though, is a broadcasting phenomenon and is popular in many countries throughout the world. Clarkson is notorious for his indiscretions and bad behaviour. In the incident that provoked this thread, it is alleged that he punched a producer, after a day's filming, because a hot dinner was not available to him at a hotel at which he and the production team were staying. The BBC have suspended him and are not broadcasting the last three episodes of Top Gear in the present series. Clarkson, though, is now very rich and famous and has made the BBC an enormous amount of money ... so what happens next is anyone's guess!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stu
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM

"Jeremy clarkson could explain the workings of an engine"

Really? The physics of it, the chemistry, the role of each individual part? He could tell you how the engine management system works down to the reason for the existence of each part of a printed circuit, every component, the manufacturing process involved in each of those components? He can tell us all, in understandable terms why electrons flow through the circuits the way they do, how many of them there might be? He could explain how we see the visible light from the indicators? How that is generated? Who discovered the principles behind all of the countless applications and processes involved making something as irreducibly complex as a modern car?

You could, of course find all these things out, but not off Clarkson. He just drives cars, is a TV presenter and insults foreigners. You Pete, might say the car is evidence of god (if you choose to believe it is), but if you got off your arse and put the time in to find out you'd see people have discovered the scientific principles that make a car work and used that knowledge to manufacture it.

But you won't.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 02:23 PM

infer that it happened by your own philosophical preference of how you interpret the data.

Pete, you've had plenty of people explain to you the difference between "evidence" and "belief." Yet you continue to dismiss evidence. Just because you don't believe it doesn't make it untrue, and you really ought to move along discourse-wise. But then, so should we all. There is no changing Pete's mind, the best thing to do is ignore the nonsense and carry on with the topic at hand.

Now back to the topic (whoever Clarkson is).

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant)
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:53 PM

" ... except that ,other than appealing to consensus, you have not exactly presented any arguments that I can recall..."

Because all of the evidence is out there in thousands of publications - both popular and technical - and if you must insist on pontificating on evolutionary biology, it's your responsibility to familiarise yourself with that literature; otherwise you have no credibility.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:28 PM

.. so how would the theory of evolution account for Jeremy Clarkson...???

Because if God's to blame for creating him,
the big old fella upstairs has certainly worked in very mysterious ways ???


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 01:17 PM

Well shimrod, I guess that puts us on an even footing with our arguments, except that ,other than appealing to consensus, you have not exactly presented any arguments that I can recall.......other than mockery ,like your fellow believer, Greg.


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Shimrod (Gas Pedant)
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 12:57 PM

Oh no!! I'm a gas pedant who's been duped by the Ruling Paradigm!! Ahhhh!!!

The scales have fallen from my eyes (hallelujah!!!). Now I know that I should have been taking the translated, re-translated and mis-translated myths and legends of a bunch of Bronze-age, Middle Eastern goat herds literally rather than being convinced by around 150 years of careful scientific observation. How could I have been so blind? Those pesky Ruling Paradigms have a lot to answer for!

Oh yes, and please note that, previously, I freely admitted that I have no background in evolutionary biology ... just as you have no backgound in evolutionary biology, pete ...


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 12:27 PM

I don't claim to be a scientist and therefore try to stick to the simpler arguments

Don't sell yourself short, pete - you stick to nonsence, myth and bullshit, and very good you are at it, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: BBC v. Jeremy Clarkson.
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 22 Mar 15 - 11:58 AM

Sounds like bluff and bluster to me s and s.   My plumber could tell me how things work, unlike you evolutionists. Jeremy clarkson could explain the workings of an engine...you can't explain the workings of Darwinism, other than infer that it happened by your own philosophical preference of how you interpret the data.   Also, I doubt there is much variation between how plumbers interpret their trade, or how mechanics understand engines. That is far from the case with evolutionists....even leaving out scientists who reject Darwinist dogma.   Now if you really want to just talk about clarkson?........


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