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Joe Offer 21 Feb 15 - 08:33 PM
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Subject: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Feb 15 - 08:33 PM

Another thread saved by punkfolkrocker

Subject: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Jack the Sailor
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 10:56 AM

I was just reading My latest issue of the AARP Magazine. You know who is on the cover. He gave them the one and only interview about his new album of standards, comparing himself to Frank Sinatra.

Bob Dylan AARP interview.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 11:16 AM

Don't understand why Dylan has done this. Dylan is a great songwriter, mediocre guitarist and poor singer. Sinatra was a good singer, though not to my taste, mediocre actor, and as far as I know never wrote a song in his life. The only think they have in common I would have thought were fairly right-wing political views. Though Dylan's changed with the wind.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:01 PM

Sinatra's political views changed quite a bit, too. He started out strongly on the left. His mother was a Democratic ward chairman. As a celebrity he campaigned for Roosevelt and Kennedy, and for civil rights before it was cool, and he condemned the communist witch hunt in the 1950's. The Democratic party eventually dumped him because of his mob ties, which apparently didn't bother the law-and-order president Ronald Reagan, so his political shift was probably more social than conscience based.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:11 PM

quote: ...comparing himself to Frank Sinatra.

Not true at all! This is what he said :
"Comparing me with Frank Sinatra? You must be joking. To be mentioned in the same breath as him must be some sort of high compliment. As far as touching him goes, nobody touches him. Not me or anyone else."




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:20 PM

He could say the same about Lionel Messi. He isn't as good as Sinatra at something which isn't what he is good at.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:31 PM

to say Dylan is a "mediocre guitarist" - whoever listened to Dylan for his guitar pickin' !!!???




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:35 PM

The comparison between Dylan and Sinatra is that they were both superstars in the music business.

The difference has more to do with what was in style during their heyday. Sinatra was a superstar at a time when lovely melodic songs were popular, and Dylan was a superstar when angst-laden irritating noises were popular.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 12:56 PM

"My Way" is as irritating an angst-laden noise as anything you will ever here.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 01:07 PM

"Dylan is a great songwriter, mediocre guitarist and poor singer" ???



Alternate view:

Dylan was a hugely stylistically influential songwriter, adequate functional guitarist and 'charismatic' singer.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 03:07 PM

"To say Dylan is a "mediocre guitarist" - whoever listened to Dylan for his guitar pickin' !!!???"

With the exception of Lay Lady Lay. I can't think of a single Dylan song that wasn't done better by a cover artist.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Moviegoer
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 03:14 PM

"After winning Best Supporting Actor in 1953 [in From Here To Eternity], says Frank Sinatra's Wikipedia entry, " he also garnered a nomination for Best Actor for The Man with the Golden Arm (1955), and critical acclaim for his performance in The Manchurian Candidate (1962)".

What was that some none-too-bright person said above about his being a 'mediocre' actor?




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Jeri
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 03:16 PM

And here I though people just came here these days to fight about things. Silly me...




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 03:18 PM

Maybe the very personal ones, such as "Sad eyed Lady of the Lowlands" or "Visions of Johanna". But you are right, the greatness of Dylan is that even his lesser songs have produced very good covers, such as "If not for you" in the hands of Olivia Newton-John or "Ring them Bells" by Sarah Jarosz. The best reason for listening to Dylan is to find a song nobody has covered yet.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Peter from seven stars link
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 03:45 PM

Having just listened to the track, I thought it pleasant enough, but were he not bob Dylan, I doubt he would have got away with it. But in fairness, he was not bigging himself up about it.   But, of corse, it will sell, because he is bob Dylan.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 04:36 PM

When I heard about this album on NPR a couple of weeks back, my first reaction was, "Oh shit! Is it April Fools' Day already? Where'd February and March go?" Then they played snippets of a few of the songs.... At least the lyrics are mostly intelligible, which is not always true about Dylan's presentation of his own material.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: olddude
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 04:46 PM

Ru kidding Frank Sinatra was amazing




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: olddude
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 04:47 PM

Some how send in the clowns comes to mind Lol




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 04:57 PM

There is some redeeming social value here. As Peter said, Dylan's fans will listen to anything he puts out. After they hear this album maybe they'll search YouTube for the original recordings he's covering.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: meself
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 05:05 PM

I was keeping an open mind about this, which perhaps was easier for me than for some because I never had any use for Sinatra .... I've heard one track - "Some Enchanted Evening" - and I'm afraid my reaction was to wonder why on earth ol' Bob would allow it to be released. And I'm a guy who really liked 'Self-Portratit' .....




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 05:08 PM

"My Way" is as irritating an angst-laden noise as anything you will ever here.

That's an odious song, for sure, with lyrics that an Ayn Rand character might have written and music that sounds like a military service theme song. But angst??




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 05:42 PM

Good-bad music (actors, novelists, ad nauseum) declarations amount to absolutely nothing more than "I like this now" and "I don't like that now." As if there where not 7 billion other opinions and yours won't change in four or forty years.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: olddude
Date: 13 Feb 15 - 09:50 PM

Just the way you look tonight.. Awesome song




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: pdq
Date: 14 Feb 15 - 09:22 AM

Paul Anka wrote the lyrics to My Way. He also wrote Lonely Boy, Diana and Having My Baby.

He has thus far escaped prison time for these offences.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 14 Feb 15 - 10:32 AM

A lot of pop/ rock stars are doing this kind of album, Rod Stewart, Brian Ferry, Annie Lennox and Joni Mitchell , to name but a few. I think many of us tend to go back to the music of our parents era as it was the music of our childhood, just as our children often go back to our music. Seems quite natural to me. And , it is way better than his dreadful Christmas album.
Interesting thread, I am enjoying it.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 14 Feb 15 - 10:43 AM

"Just the way you look tonight.. Awesome song "
.,,.
Indeed, OD -- & Sinatra's version is quite a nice cover of the Kern/Fields song definitively sung by Fred Astaire ['Swing Time' 1936]; with the nice payoff that, as he strikes the penultimate phrase chord, Ginger Rogers emerges covered in cold cream with her hair up in a towel.

≈M≈




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Mr Red
Date: 14 Feb 15 - 12:12 PM

Cold Cream? You sure? Wasn't it Just the Whey you look tonight.

Thought I would milk that just to calm the mood.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Elmore
Date: 14 Feb 15 - 11:38 PM

I suppose the release of this album makes the comparison of Dylan and Sinatra inevitable. Seems kind if silly to me.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Phil
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 02:49 AM

What is the best cover of "Tangled Up in Blue"? I like tons of old Dylan covers but "Blood on the Tracks." is the only original I've moved onto CD with.

I think some of Dylan's best pop work was on Lefty Wilbury's swan song album where he's just one of the boys.

What I wouldn't give to see the Rat Pack make a Vegas routine out of watching Sinatra listen to this album.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 09:09 AM

Or Saturday Night Live, if not for the tragic early death of Phil Hartmann. They could've had him as Sinatra doing a review of the album for MTV.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 09:28 AM

Phil, here are some interesting covers of Tangled Up in Blue:
Jake Hipps
Drew Emmitt Band
Leftover Salmon




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 10:48 AM

You know, this whole idea of a great songwriter with a nasal singing voice and lackluster instrumental skills performing American standards is nothing new.

Willie Nelson's been doing it for years.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 11:42 AM

No way! Willie's a great singer and guitar player. It's his band that makes him sound awful.

His solo album, Spirit, with just his nylon string guitar and a few faint back-up vocals by Emmylou, is sublimely beautiful.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: meself
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 12:45 PM

Okay, I just heard a bit of Sinatra's recording of Some Enchanted Evening - and I'd be hard-pressed to it to say whose rendition I find less appealing (even though CBC host Michael Enright gushed about Sinatra "hitting the middle of every note!" - as if that were what singing is all about, and as if it were true in the first place).

Btw, Willie Nelson DOES have a nasal singing voice - and he IS a great singer.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 01:37 PM

I am in the 2nd week of a very nasty cough & cold.
I'm sick of lemsips.

10 year old Talisker is way too expensive at over 30 quid a bottle.

Why can't we get malt whisky on prescription !!!???




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 01:40 PM

oops.. posted in entirely the wrong thread - too many tabs open..
and my eyesight is extremely watery and bleary...

Though I suppose I could wriggle a way into making it relevant
by saying that at the moment my voice sounds even worse than
old man Dylan's...




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 15 Feb 15 - 02:28 PM

Re: Tangled up in blue

One of the Youtube suggestions from one of the links in the post above is to a KT Tunstall cover, this I think is the answer to the question.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Jts
Date: 17 Feb 15 - 12:25 PM

I agree Dave, Her version is much better.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 17 Feb 15 - 12:49 PM

... but did Sinatra ever record any Dylan songs...???

google search so far provides no results...


Sinatra did record a long forgotten 'rock concept LP' "Watertown" [1970]
which is actually rather good.




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST,Joseph Scott
Date: 17 Feb 15 - 12:58 PM

We think of Willie and we think of nasal but he's not necessarily all _that_ nasal (the guy on the left is a friend of Mick Jagger's who sings better than Mick Jagger):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbFb5IUEKJ4




Subject: RE: Bob Dylan & AARP. What does it mean?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Feb 15 - 03:08 PM

...the guy on the left is a friend of Mick Jagger's...

Weren't they in a band together?


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Subject: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 01:25 AM

Not sure if someone else has already posted a thread about this but in the current issue of AARP Magazine February/March 2015 issue there is an interesting article/interview with Bob Dylan -
"Bob Dylan His Way" by Robert Love.
Not sure if this magazine is available outside of the United States.
For those of you not familiar with this magazine, it is a magazine primarily geared towards senior citizens with many articles about health, travel, about social security, careers for older citizens and just different stories of various interests, music, the arts, etc.

The interview with Dylan is very interesting and informative and about 6 pages long with photographs of his early years in music and current photos.
I picked this up at a local library for 25 cents! Price on magazine is $4.50 but many people become AARP members for I believe a $16.00 yearly fee and receive the magazine every other month and other AARP related things with a membership.

I think AARP had a interview with Linda Rondstadt maybe a year ago or so but I didn't see that issue.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 01:30 AM


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 01:35 AM

Trying to make a correction and my computer is acting up - got sent before I intended thread to get sent.

Just wanted to correct in last sentence on my 1st thread.
Typo on Linda Ronstadt's name. I typed name as Rondstadt by mistake.
Please correct if possible. Realized error after I had sent it.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: Thompson
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 03:03 AM

This it?


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: GUEST,Johnmc
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 11:58 AM

A fascinating interview, thanks. Reveres Sinatra, it seems, and Irving Berlin.


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Subject: RE: Bob Dylan - AARP Magazine article
From: GUEST,Lin
Date: 16 Mar 15 - 09:35 PM

To Guest Thompson:

Yes, that is the article but your link did not show the photo of Dylan on the cover of the magazine. Great, picture showing him wearing sunglasses, black leather jacket, turquoise stone with silver around it on bolo tie on his white shirt. Great photo of Dylan on cover of AARP Magazine!

On cover of magazine it says, Exclusive Dylan Behind The Shades.
His new album and what he thinks about passion, aging, Sinatra-and why rock 'n' died. Page 28.


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