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BS: Richard III

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Subject: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:01 PM

530 years and found in a parking lot.. Was he the guy that killed the kids to get the throne or am I thinking of someone else. How do they know it's him. I only heard bits and pieces of it


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:03 PM

Dang 530 years of parking is a lot of quarters in the meter


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:04 PM

They identified him by DNA matching with a living relative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:35 PM

A box of old bones - who's paying for all this lavish regal reburial pomp and circumpants ???


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: maeve
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:49 PM

Dan- http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/earth/environment/archaeology/10031896/King-Richard-IIIs-teeth-and-jaw-reveal-monarchs-anxious-l


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 06:52 PM

I doubt it'll be the Plantagenets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: olddude
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 07:05 PM

Thanks maeve


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 07:37 PM

Al Capone sent his hoods out to borrow a book from the Chicago Library. When they got there they said to the librarian "Mr Capone wants a book called 'Dick The Shit' "
The librarian said she'd never heard of it so they riddled the library with bullets.
They tell Al that the library doesn't have 'Dick The Shit'.
Al Capone says "It's not 'Dick The Shit', I asked for 'Richard the Turd"


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: LadyJean
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 07:38 PM

The jury is still out on Richard's murder of his nephews.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 08:17 PM

maeve's link is not working for me - page with recent stories

see the June 14 article - 'Richard III's bones will be reburied in a coffin made by his descendant' - The story says the woodworker is a seven times great-nephew of the last Plantagenet king, not a descendant - the article title was probably written by a sub-editor.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: maeve
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 08:45 PM

Trying again, for Sandra is correct my link failed.Anyone having trouble with these randomly chosen two links, please search for the link titles.

King Richard III's teeth and jaw reveal monarch's anxious life and violent death (The Telegram)
:

Richard III taken to final resting place after 500 years (The Guardian)


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: EBarnacle
Date: 23 Mar 15 - 09:58 PM

There is a recent book detailing the archeological search which resulted in the find. The dig was partially sponsored by the Richard the third Society, which is largely concerned with rehabilitating his name.
I believe the title is "The Search for Richard III."


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:35 AM

Here Ya go, oldude...

Stuff about Richard lll


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Musket
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 02:41 AM

So... Does that mean our Liz isn't necessarily the heir to the throne?

That'll be nice for the Christians who after all the arguing over women Bishops didn't actually like having a woman as head of their church.

Rather funny really that during the coronation God is asked if she got through the interview OK.

When I visited the Bosworth battlefield, there were lots of "and his men came over that hill there " stuff and a small print in the guide saying it was possibly four miles away in reality.

Still. Fascinating stuff and of course, Dick III was a real King with power, and thankfully we have a constitutional monarchy now, all the waving and fleecing tourists without letting them actually make any decisions other than whether to get the corgis neutered.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 03:50 AM

Richard three eyes:

Must be related to that fish in The Simpsons.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,Ellen Vannin
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 03:53 AM

At the time of Richard III there were two methods of getting the crown - inherit it or win it by getting rid of the previous incumbent. We later added another method - get offered the crown by parliament if the current incumbent wasn't doing his job to parliament's satisfaction. I have heard that there were 43 nearer relatives who were passed over when George I was offered the throne, but parliament felt he would be the best (ie most compliant) candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 04:08 AM

The Battle of Bosworth Field.
(Dick Miles)

1.On the 22nd of August with glistening sword and shield.
Brave Richard king of England,did fight at Bosworth Field.
He led his troops in battle,and death did bravely face
The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced.
Chorus.A horse, a horse,my kingdom for a horse.

2.Fight on stout hearted swordsman for king and country fight.
and aim you well bold archers the enemy well fright.
oh take you heed Northumberland and false Lord Stanley.
Have courage me lads for victorious we shall be.
Chorus.

3. So thick and fast the arrows around the king did fly
when to the south marching up the hill false Stanley he did spy.
he mounted on his charger,to fight all for his crown
The White Rose did fall never more to leave the ground
Chorus

4.Unseated from his charger as on the ground lay he
surrounded and out numberd by lord stanleys infantry
they quickly stoop to kill as hawks high in the sky
The White Rose did fall theselast words he then did cry
Chorus

5.and so the last of the House of York to death did come at last
He ruled his people fairly and the law for bail he passed
a good and noble ruler by the Tudors so disgraced.
The White Rose did fall never more to be replaced.
chorus.

copyright, Dick Miles.
this song was written about 1984,and recorded on Cheating the Tide GVR227,with Martin Carthy playing guitar.
my inspiration was a book called The Daughter of Time,by Josephine Tey,I realised that Richard the Third,had been unfairly treated by historians,and particularly by William Shakespeare.
Shakespeare was writing at a time when if you criticised the existing monarchy you could be executed,and had to be careful not to upset the ruling Tudor dynasty,who were close relatives of Henry the Seventh.
I think this tune is suited to open guitar tuning,I played it in emodal or Eminor,but I would of course be happy for anyone to sing the song,and do it just how they want.
I am not sure but I think the tune is in the dorian mode. Dick Miles


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 04:32 AM

When the coffin was processed to the Cathedral to lie in state, thousands lined the route and threw white roses.
People are being advised to stay away now because the wait to see it is so long.

It is a piece of real history. The last king of England to die in battle.
The funeral will be a national event.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Thompson
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 05:08 AM

I was reminded, looking at the interested crowds lining the route, of the old funeral joke: "Give the people what they want, and they'll surely come."

He doesn't seem to have been at all a good person; in fact, rather than good or evil, he sounds as if he might have been under the influence of paranoia. The fury with which he was killed - stabbed again and again, in the arse and the head, would remind you of the attack on Gadaffi in his last moments.

I'd personally find it at the very least suspicious that the nephews under his care would have quietly disappeared from sight, and then never have been seen again. Cui bono?

As for the legitimacy of the current British royals, Henry VII, the first of the Tudors (shits of the first water) married the daughter of Edward VI, Elizabeth of York, so their children were a mixture of Plantagenet and Tudor (shudder).


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 06:24 AM

quote of the week
TV reporter to historian:-
Now Richard III - he did, at one time, have something of a bad reputation......
And I'm thinking.........yeh and Hitler was a little bit naughty!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST,Officer Bollix
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:11 AM

High time Mudcat had a 'like' button. I L'dOL at Dick the Shit.

Otherwise, what a waste of public money. Interesting as an article in the Radio Times, utterly irrelavant to life in the 21st Century UK. Depressing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: OldNicKilby
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:25 AM

Well I for one am very proud of the events of Sunday, well managed and staged. It was a shame that it seemed that every bloody Vicar in the county got a seat in the Cathedral , but Hey Ho. A great event for Leicester and many are quite rightly proud. The only ones who are not are the jealous Tykes who cost Leicester a cool £250,000 mounting the challenge. It will bring a great deal of Tourist cash into our City


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 07:40 AM

With his Brooklyn/Chicago accent it would have been "Richard DA (or possibly D') Turd."


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 08:06 AM

Public spending priorities - box of old bones or teachers and nurses... hmmmm ?????


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 08:20 AM

I can recommend the book about the search for Richard
III's grave. FASkinatin' !!

No one claimed that he personally did the nephews in;
he was not even in the area at the time the "murder"
was thought to have happened. Did he arrange for the
murderer to do it? That's another question.

Actually, there was no real reason to believe that
they were even dead. They were missing from the Tower, which
was the Royal residence at the time, where they had been kept.
It was only after quite a number of years that the accusatory
finger was pointed at him.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 08:51 AM

Very little public money is being spent on this.
There really is no down side to this event, except for Mudcat professional whingers.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard I I I
From: Rumncoke
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 08:54 AM

Well - he was Richard of York - I feel he should have been repatriated.

I've not been involved being down on the South coast - where I noticed that the 'plant a genete' was in bloom on Sunday.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Musket
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 08:58 AM

Or people who aren't as fascinated by military nonsense as you are. What makes dying in battle so special?

Yeah, good for the tourists, fascinating for those who enjoy royal history but those for whom it is as important as stamps collecting or religious stuff.. Whingers?

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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:02 AM

You need to get your hands on a copy of Josephine Tey's The Daughter of Time. It is a popular mystery (pub. ca 1951) in which she credibly makes the case for Richard's innocence in the murder of the princes in the tower. Over the years since its publication a lot of people have been waiting for the other shoe to drop, such as the events this week.

SRS


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:10 AM

Now for me and many others, news of this recent find of old bones is far more fascinating and awe inspiring...

'Monster salamanders' found in fossilised mass grave


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:39 AM

With his Brooklyn/Chicago accent it would have been "Richard DA (or possibly D') Turd."

Dat's TOID, Rap.

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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:51 AM

Here's a good video about it all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fDHDvnnK4nI

But what about music? Did they play any interesting music at the funeral? Early-music freaks want to know.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 09:53 AM

"
Well - he was Richard of York - I feel he should have been repatriated."

He was also Duke of Gloucester...


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:00 AM

Did he ever fibd a horse?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:23 AM

Lee dia, the funeral hasn't happened yet. The remains are lying in an open coffin in Leicester Cathedral, on view to the public. The funeral takes place this coming Thursday, IIRC.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:57 AM

I thought the coffin was closed? On Sunday, at the service, it was covered with a pall.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: olddude
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 10:59 AM

I think it's really cool how they found him and identified the remains. Just read up on it. Cool history and gives people a tie to the past. One of his dependants made the casket.. Neat


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:10 AM

It was covered, Manitas, but I seem to recall that the BBC news bulletins yesterday described the coffin as being 'open'. They could simply have removed the lid for viewing, of course. I'm sure it will be closed for the burial.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:24 AM

Just looked at pics taken inside the cathedral, the coffin looks to be draped with a dark covering-cloth, and has what appears to be a crown on the top. So either BBC news had it wrong, or I mis-heard (certainly not impossible!) and the coffin is not open.

Apologies foe the error.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:26 AM

Open or Oaken?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:29 AM

well lets face it - sod all ever happens in Leicester.

if they make this fuss over a bag of bones, they'll have to close the M1 when Gary Lineker or Engelbert snuffs it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:43 AM

I recall eating a kebab in Leicester that made me throw up almost immediately...

That's mainly all I remember about Leicester ???

Nah... no amount of fuss about those old royal bones is ever likely to tempt me back to Leicester...


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:54 AM

Yep, they very likely said "Oaken", Manitas. My ears have had too many years being blasted by Rock 'n' Roll played at high volume.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ernest
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 11:57 AM

Little it is known that Mr. Shakespeare even quoted him wrongly. What he really said was:

"A horse! A horse! A kingdom for a horse that can sing a folksong!"


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:40 PM

Satch right!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Ed T
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 12:56 PM

"A horse! A horse! A kingdom for a horse that can sing a folksong!"

I talked with Ed the horse and he confirmed this quote, from traditional horse knowledge. However, it is commonly referred to as stable, herd or "ass" songs in this community-versus folk songs.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: jonm
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:10 PM

A hearse, a hearse.....


I'll get my coat.



All he was really was a below par king.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:25 PM

[The way I heard it, the quote about the singing horse--or the NOT singing horse--came from Big Bill Broonzy when asked if a song he had just sung was a folk song. Subsequently attributed to everyone and his pet chicken....]

In a production of Shakespeare's "Richard the Third," when the great John Barrymore cried out the famous line, "A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse!" this struck one audience member as hilarious and he broke into raucous laughter. Stunned silence in the theater as Barrymore's intense eyes slowly swiveled to gaze up at the place from which the laughter had come. Then he raised his arm, pointed a trembling hand, and intoned, "Or saddle me yon braying ass in the balcony!!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 01:39 PM

Leicester in the 1960s was a great place for music - loads of folk, blues, jazz and rock being played everywhere. Bought my first blues album - "Sonny Terry and Brownie McGhee" - in Leicester market, and worked in the upstairs music bar in the old Victoria tavern.

Rock on Dick!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 05:23 PM

Don Firth -- The "dreary axiom" {Bert Lloyd] is attribd both to Armstrong & Broonzy. It's surprised anyone would want to be known as the originator of anything so bloody stupid -- but maybe we'd better not start that one again, eh? I mean, I've never heard a horse reciting Paradise Lost so does that mean it's a

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: The Sandman
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 05:26 PM

LEICESTER had some very nice women.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 05:38 PM

ROYGBIV -> ROLGBIV ?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 05:47 PM

"ROYGBIV -> ROLGBIV ?" ?????????????????????????????????


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,#
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 06:05 PM

ROYGBIV is a mnemonic to remember the order of colours of a rainbow. Red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo and violet. I would guess that the L stands for Leicester, but who knows?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Mar 15 - 06:07 PM

Trying to put the "dreary axiom" to bed, MGM, so we can get on with more sensible discussion--but it just won't lie down, apparently.

So--back to Dicky 3....

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Officer Bollix
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 06:32 AM

Wise words on the matter from Charlie Brooker:

Why tug our forelocks to Richard III, a king who's such a diva that he needs two funerals?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 08:44 AM

How does one pronounce 'Leicester'?

The funeral's tomorrow. Let us know if there's any good music.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 08:49 AM

Lester, methinks.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:10 AM

"How does one pronounce 'Leicester'?

.. depends how much you've had to drink, and if you've just eaten a rancid kebab...???


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 09:53 AM

The full name of the town is "Leicester nil".


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 12:20 PM

Yeah, maybe he was totally innocent. How often have the heirs to a throne gone quietly missing without any inquiry? I can think of these two little boys, and poor Louis Capet, Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI's son.
I mean, imagine if the current bunch of English royals were wiped out except for little George. Would nobody raise an eyebrow if he then disappeared under questionable circumstances?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: The Sandman
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 12:34 PM

what about all the little boys who disappeared off ted heaths yacht.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 01:20 PM

What about all the little boys and girls too who starved to death or were piked or bayoneted or driven over or crushed to death or burned on their mothers' backs in the firebombing of Tokyo or were orphaned or stolen (all those parents who taught the children to remember their name and the name of their village or suburb or town) or traded or enslaved, in thousands of years of dirty human history, yes GSS.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: olddude
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 03:04 PM

Geeze everyone has sins from the past no matter what country you live in. Besides it gives folks something to do after a brutal winter. Hell here we celebrate a ground hog day. It is a big rodent that suppose to predict spring. So why not celebrate a lost king for any reason but gets folks out and about


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 08:07 PM

How doth the starting lineups go?
'Tis as it was before, with Stan the first, Bill the second
and Richard the Third "


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 11:15 PM

Still waiting to learn how to pronounce 'Leicester.'


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 25 Mar 15 - 11:55 PM

English/Australian pronunciation is 'lester'


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 02:22 AM

It's 'Lester'.
Took my Lowden there for some TLC a couple of weeks ago.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: BobL
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 04:20 AM

Red, Orange, Lemon, Green...

Nah, it'll never catch on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Will Fly
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 04:25 AM

Marry in Hastings - repent at Leicester.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 04:55 AM

leenia, say Leicester


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 07:20 AM

25 Mar 15 - 11:15 PM: Still waiting to learn how to pronounce 'Leicester.'

SEE: 25 Mar 15 - 08:49 AM


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,HuwG at work
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 09:03 AM

I personally enjoyed the production of Shakespeare's "Richard the Third" sponsored by Yeomans' Army and Navy Stores:

"Now is the discount of our winter tents..."


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 09:07 AM

Derek Brimstone told me one time he was driving Tim Hardin home from a gig, and they passed Loughborough on the motorway.

Tim wakes up from a pissed up slumber and sees the the sign and says...My God! we're passing Luger Borugah!

which i think is a better pronunciation than the official one.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 09:25 AM

Give him a velvet burial shroud. Then we can please those who want a nem mnemonic for the colours of the rainbow.
Richard Of York Gets/Got Buried In Velvet (or shift the burial to St Albans/Verulamium)


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 09:26 AM

Thanks, all. Now I know how to say "Leicester."


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 09:29 AM

"Hey buddy, can you gimme directions to Lie-chester Square"


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 12:11 PM

Gesundheit!!

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 11:46 PM

Richard da turd is now reinterred.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/englands-richard-iii-finally-gets-burial-fit-for-a-king/ar-AAa1dzb?ocid=U218DHP


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 01:32 AM

How can it be 'Lie-chester'? There's no 'h' after the 'c', and the 'e' following the 'c' makes the 'c' soft. So, it can't be 'Lie-chester', but it could conceivably be 'Lie-sester'.

But it's neither, it's 'Lester'. Get over it. 😄


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 03:26 AM

'Lie-chester'?

Yep, that's exactly how he pronounced it.

I did the decent friendly thing and gave our American visitor the correct directions.
Which was basically "you're close enough, just carry straight on a few more yards"


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: OldNicKilby
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:41 AM

For Heavens sake, you say Leicester like " Les- tur M,Duck" As one whose ancestors were illegal immigrants, we came over from France in boats and the Chief Immigration Officer was right stroppy ,his name was Harold, so one of the lads shot the bugger in the eye with an arrow. So you pronounce it "Les- tur " M' Duck. For the un-initiated "M'Duck " is Anglo Saxon for "My friend "


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 06:06 AM

Rich III was in fact Duke of Gloucester, wasn't he -- that's "Gloster", not "Glau-cess-ta".

≈M≈

Some people can be very silly about pronunciations of names. I remember an American I knew at Cambridge who would always facetiously pronounce a S London suburb as "green" [like the colour] "witch" [like a hag on a broomstick], till I pointed out that they had pinched the name lock stock & barrel for the Village section of New York & seemed to have no difficulty saying it. He confessed he had never made the connection.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Thompson
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 01:35 PM

My favourite depiction of Richard III is by Richard Dreyfuss in ≤i>The Goodbye Girl, in which the actor has been told to camp it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 02:49 PM

I wonder if our American friends knew that a Richard is cockney rhymming slang for a turd?

as in - I done this big richard!

You can imagine Dick Van Dyke singing abaht that in Mary Poppins - at least I can! But thats my vivid imagination running away with me yet again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 03:01 PM

Oh I done a great big Richard in the khasi Mary!
I done a Richard, then I had a wee!
Tiddly tiddly tum! then I wiped me bum!
Chim Chimminy chim chim cheree!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 06:00 PM

Try these:

Launceston
Frome
Woolfardisworthy
Bicester
Rough Tor
Mousehole
Oswaldtwistle
Altrincham
Leigh
Alnwick
St Teath
Polzeath


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 10:25 PM

I give up, Steve. Tell me how to say them.
=========
Meanwhile, there has been a perhaps-inevitable development:

"The living relatives of Richard III, the last English king to perish in battle, are now faced with a bill of over £100,000 from Leicester City Council for a parking space the monarch occupied for well over five hundred years.

A spokesman for the council said: 'We don't care who you are; you can't avoid Hawkeye Parking Enforcement sensors. Given that Richard arrived at the site about half a millennium before we installed the system, we didn't clock him arriving, but we saw the whole exhumation thing. He's been down there for ages. We are fully within our rights to issue parking fines retrospectively, even to those with alleged spinal disability."
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It was in the Newsbiscuit, so it must be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:37 AM

goes to the tune - its a jolly holiday with mary

Oh I done a great big Richard in the khasi Mary!
I done a Richard, then I had a wee!
Tiddly tiddly tum! then I wiped me bum!
Chim Chimminy chim chim cheree!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:51 AM

Lanson
Froom
Woolzery
Bister
Rowter ("row" as in we had a nasty row when I got home drunk last night)
Mowzle
Ozzletwizzle
Oltringum
Lee
Annick
St Teth
Polzeth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Acorn4
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM

"Dick the Shit"


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: BrendanB
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:22 AM

How about,
Cambois
Alnmouth
Sedbergh
Berwick


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: HuwG
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:41 PM

Comedian Bob Monkhouse once worried that in Mousehole (pronounced "Mowzle"), he would be introduced as "Bob Mucus".


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 02:58 PM

Thanks, Steve. I don't think there are many American names where people simply disregard consonants or even whole syllables like that.

We do have Blytheville, which rhymes with Bible. It's in Arkansas.
I helped build a power line there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 04:28 PM

Arkansas? Ah-kin-saw...


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 04:40 PM

Norlins.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 04:47 PM

Yes, MGM Lion, I forgot about Arkansas. Actually, it only skips one letter, the final s.

Steve Shaw: don't say Norlins unless your family has lived there a long time, perhaps without learning to read.    The rest of us say New Or-lens.

What do we know about the music played at Richard III's funeral?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 07:22 PM

Whaddya mean? I meant Norlins, a tiny village just outside Bude. ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Pauline Lerner
Date: 29 Mar 15 - 10:48 PM

My source of info for the following is The Guardian UK, a very up-to-date, thorough, and liberal newspaper. DNA analysis has uncovered a problem with Richard III's heritage. It was discovered by analysis of mitochondrial DNA, which is maternally inherited, as well as nuclear DNA, which comes from both parents and is the kind usually analyzed. At some point in history before Richard III, the paternal line was changed, but the maternal line was not. One of the kings was cuckolded. After that, none of the kings was descended from the king at the top of the original paternal line.

A very large sum of money was spent to move the royal casket from the parking lot to the church, have a big burial ceremony, and reinter Richard III. The newspaper gave some good reasons why too much money was spent. (1) England is now in a state of fiscal austerity. (2) Richard III was not a nice guy. He had two nephews who had better rights to be king than he did, so he had them locked in the Tower of London and then killed. (3) There is a controversy over which church he should be buried in.

I'm glad that in my country we have no kings, just dirty politicians.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,Andiliqueur
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 04:24 AM

I would never base your knowledge of history on the UK Guardian! The Ceremony was comparitively simple by London Standards and hopefully will be justified by benefits to Leicester's economy. It has not been and probably cannot be proven that he killed his nephews. His name is woven into the history of Leicester by street mames,schools and pubs etc. We (I was born here) have always kept him and it is right that he should be reinterred in a Holy Place within a few yards of the site in which he has lain for over 500 years.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 04:35 AM

100


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 04:39 AM

Re Arkansas -- Maybe only the final s is suppressed, & I suppose it could be argued that the distortion of the penultimate a has precedent in 'although and also and all'. But not convincingly IMO, leeneia.

≈M≈

Let's go travellin'

♩♩pom tiddy pom tiddy pom pom pom
    pom pom pom pom tiddy tiddy pom pom♫


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 08:34 AM

Yes, Arkansas, the state, is pronounced "Arkansaw."

But the river named Arkansas is the Ar-KANN-zus River.
I don't know whether the state was named after the river
or vice versa.

Dave Oesterreich


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 10:39 AM

If you wish to visit now that his tomb is unveiled--

http://artdaily.com/news/77494/-Car-park-king--Richard-III-s-tomb-revealed-#.VRlrvWdFDcs


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 10:53 AM

Was he King of Ireland as well - if so he would have been Richard the Turd!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 11:03 AM

Was it people constantly calling him Richard the turd that gave him the hump ???


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 11:20 AM

According to the skeleton, Richard III was not really a "hunchback," but suffered from a severe scoliosis--lateral curvature of the spine.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 11:50 AM

Don - he wasn't really a 'turd' either, research shows he was in reality a human being ...

but do jokes need to care about facts ???


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 12:16 PM

Guest, I was not really responding to you.

It seemed like an appropriate opportunity to counter the popular misconception that Richard III was a "hunchback," a la Quasimodo. The skeleton clearly shows that he had a severe scoliosis. That can be uncomfortable in the best of times and very painful in the worst of times, and can tend to make one a little cranky....

"Now is the winter of our discontent....", i.e., "My back is killin' me!"

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 02:51 PM

When we preparing to act R III, this past Summer, I realized that the first line sets the stage for the entire play. His use of the word "our" is an adoption of the "Royal We," showing his intent to become king over everyone else's prior rights to the crown.

A history I read this past year indicates that the scoliosis did not begin until his adolescence.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 30 Mar 15 - 11:19 PM

I believe that is usually develops that way - starts in adolescence.

As for the money spent on Richard's funeral, the video of his funeral cortege shows two motorcycle cops (possibly off duty), two knights on horseback, about four black cars, and little car in blue and yellow, marked "Police." I suspect the Police car was a parking control car with a peel-off sign stuck on. All that was organized by the Richard III Society, not the government.

When we compare Richard's funeral with the cost of a royal wedding, Mardi Gras or New York's St Patrick's Day parade, the cost was piffling. And it gave something to talk about besides Jeremy Clarkson.
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Re: ♩♩pom tiddy pom tiddy pom pom pom
    pom pom pom pom tiddy tiddy pom pom♫

Is that a quotation from Winnie the Pooh or is it "Arkansas Traveller"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 02:31 AM

Leeneia, it was a pukka Police Car - we don't have 'parking control cars' (whatever they are!) here. And our police cars are smaller and considerably more agile than those barges-on-wheels that your police have. 😄😄


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 03:55 AM

Tap the rhythm out, Leeneia, and I think you'll identify the tune. I can't offhand think of a Hum·Of·Pooh that has that precise cadence.

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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 08:54 AM

Okay, MGM. (It's nice to know that others here know of the Hums of Pooh.)
============
Parking-control car: in which, for example, Lovely Rita Metah Maid would cruise the curbs and hand out citations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 10:54 AM

Ah, my dear, I was actually given Now We Are Six on my sixth birthday -- 12 May 1938. Have still got it. And can when provoked, recite The Knight Whose Armour Didn't Squeak right through!

≈M≈

Wherever I am there's always Pooh
There's always Pooh and me


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 11:01 AM

"Parking-control car: in which, for example, Lovely Rita Metah Maid would cruise the curbs and hand out citations."

Nope, we don't have pawkin' control cars cruisin' the kerbs, Leenia. Nor do we have 'Meter Maids', that description was a figment of Macca's imagination! We have Traffic Wardens who hand out tickets, not citations, and they patrol on foot (occasionally on a bicycle).

Now repeat after me..."They don't have parking control cars in the UK, they don't have parking control cars in the UK, they don't have parking....zzzzzzzz! 😄😄👍


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 12:33 PM

'Nor do we have 'Meter Maids', that description was a figment of Macca's imagination! We have Traffic Wardens who hand out tickets, not citations, and they patrol on foot (occasionally on a bicycle).'
.,,.,
Not entirely a figment, or an invention of P McCartney's own -- "Meter Maid" was an idiomatically accepted, somewhat facetious, tabloid-press-style nickname for a female traffic warden, which was Macca's reference.

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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 12:41 PM

True, Michael, but I've never heard them habitually called 'Meter Maids' by anyone other than tabloid journalists. I've heard them called a lot of other names though! 😄


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Subject: RE: BS: Richard III
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Mar 15 - 08:55 PM

In NYC, male or female, they get called meter maids. We don't respect them either.


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