BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:04 PM

"You might get arrested for letting your thing air out in public."

Maybe not, if you are a kilted Scot?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:04 PM

Yes Ed, but in the case of Team Musket it's all hot air.

What was that post from TM all about?.......indecipherable.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 01:00 PM

You might get arrested for letting your thing air out in public.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Ed T
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:51 PM

"Sometimes we need to let things just air out"

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:43 PM

Keith said above that he is sure that there is only one Musket. He is sure that UKIP has a point, that Asian males have grooming of young girls hard wired in them and that hospitals and schools are legitimate targets for Israeli bombers, oh and that sending waves of young men towards machine guns was an example of well led troops.

So you see, I only know for certain that three mates decided to use the same log in a couple of years ago, and that Keith might be right on other points.

I somehow doubt it though.. Given his record, I rather believe Nick when he said he met him at a folk club in Hertford despite Keith claiming he has never met someone who, let's face it, he doesn't know the name or description of!

Keith's credibility isn't something I need to comment on really though. Anybody who reads his posts can judge his character for themselves.

Once again, into the breach. We post under one name to confuse those who address the poster not the post. Oh, and we disagree sometimes. Oh, and occasionally, Martyn posts under "some bloke in Scotland" and I occasionally put Ian at the bottom, if it is a serious post.

I have no problem associating them to Sheffield Wednesday despite the usual medical doctor fascination with rugby they seem to have, and personal opinions rarely crop up. Often, it's facing down bigots such as Keith, Terribulus and their pet worm, and it doesn't take an opposing opinion to do that, just decency and good manners.

Pip Pip.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:26 PM

Don't worry gillymor - It doesn't worry about other issues that we have disagreed on, like grown up people. It only thinks that if you disagree with it, you are part of some secret cabal that conspires to promote homosexuality and take over Scotland.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:19 PM

Re the name thing! I don't mind whether people post in their full names, a made up name, or like me a part name! I just find it easier if they are consistent. Sorry Musket(s) but I just find the multiple personalities just too confusing.

I mean I wouldn't expect my wife to phone a friend and say "It is Allan here - I am just using his name rather than my own just so that you concentrate on the conversation and not who I am"

That would be a tad silly!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:15 PM

Oh I think you would fit in fine....:0)   don't be backward in coming forward!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:10 PM

No Ache, I just don't exalt one group of people over another due to xenophobic or homophobic inclinations. You ought to try it some time.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 11:52 AM

Why have they not allowed you into their gang Gilly?....Blackballed?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:55 AM

Interesting that the stated purpose of the 3 Muskets is that "It allows people to concentrate on the post not the person posting." when Musket is among the first to move the debate into the realm of the personal with his insults. I'm convinced he's invented, and is performing as, the gay, Scottish McMusket in order to further bedevil a certain kilted, gay-bashing racist. While this may be a noble endeavor it's kind of creepy and disingenuous.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:45 AM

Steve says,
"I don't give a monkey's mickey who you post as, but don't tell me you're posting as "yourself" when you're using a pseudonym."

On this forum I post under a pseudonym, I reveal my personal details only to a few close friends, and admin. Most other posters do the same and this is common sense on the internet.
I would NEVER countenance the use of my membername by anyone else.
On this forum, for the purposes of debate I alone am akenaton.

The nonsense about three or four people using one membername in order to focus on the issue cuts no ice with me, as most "Team Musket" posts are filled with personal abuse, smears and downright lies.
Keith may be correct and the whole thing is an elaborate and disingenuous hoax.......we shall see.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:41 AM

Just opinion. No proof. Bit like god really...

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Keith A
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 10:04 AM

I am quite certain that all Musket posts are by the same person.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:39 AM

Ah - Apologies Muskets and Scottish Musket's wife in particular. It was very wrong of me to say he was as daft as the rest of in posting here - Send him my apologies. Who are the three Muskets then? No names - Just a rough idea such as McMusket, OrignalMusket and ANOtherMusket?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:32 AM

Finally, am I alone in finding it odd that three people hold exactly the same views on every issue?

Yes, you are. I would find it extremely odd that as few as 3 people had the same views on every issue. I suspect it is millions.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: BrendanB
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 09:17 AM

I do not see how Musket can complain about others posting under a pseudonym when he does the same. I am also unconvinced by the Musket argument that by three people posting under the same name this somehow encourages others to focus on the post and not the poster. As long as the poster has a name some people will focus on what they believe to be the person.   Finally, am I alone in finding it odd that three people hold exactly the same views on every issue?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 08:12 AM

Rather confusing I know, but only one Musket in Scotland. To my knowledge his husband doesn't know what Mudcat is. A good job given that Akenaton is allowed to post filth aimed at gay men whilst Mudcat has a few gay posters and Max tells moderators to delete insults at members, let alone the bigoted filth nobody should have to put up with.

Notice he put "marriage" instead of marriage yet on other threads asks for good wishes for his wife.

Utterly utterly despicable. Musket's marriage is as valid as his, so why he can insult marriage of whilst wanting sympathy for his is beyond credibility.

Allan. Three people post as Musket. It allows people to concentrate on the post not the person posting.

Akenaton is too ashamed of his views to use his real name. He complains about others though. I'm not sure if this is hypocrisy or low intelligence, but given the quality of his posts, possibly a combination.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 07:49 AM

I don't give a monkey's mickey who you post as, but don't tell me you're posting as "yourself" when you're using a pseudonym.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 07:08 AM

I only ever post as akenaton Steve, as you well know. That is all that is required for the purposes of reasonable discussion.

I could post under any name and you would be none the wiser who I was, but three and sometimes four people pretending to be one is confusing and makes debate difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:58 AM

What is wrong with being honest with the membership and putting your views as yourself...

Fine by me. I do it all the time. So what's your name then?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 06:25 AM

though there seems to be one claiming to be a woman living in Scotland.

No, Allan. There are two in Scotland, Musket and his wife, who are both Male. This is how it started. Ake says that Gay people are notoriously promiscuous, perverted and should not be allowed to get married. Amongst other things. The two Muskets in Scotland live near him. The original one lives, as you say, in England and has some properties in Scotland. I do not believe they are one person as some do. I tend to think that most people do tell the truth and, in absence of evidence to the contrary, I believe what the Muskets say. Other people have suspicions but, being a pragmatic sort of chap, I like proof before saying something is so.

Hope this helps.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:46 AM

Apologies crossed there!!!

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:44 AM

Ake I agreed with the poster called Musket re the idea that not everyone voting for a party agrees with the ideals of the leaders of said party! If you saw that as an attack on you then I apologise. It honestly wasn't meant to be. Believe it or not I tend to ignore lots of the persoanl arguments that go on and don't wish to get embroiled in one. I have no interest in the intricacies of who is in team Musket or how many Muskets are posting etc. I always though Musket was a guy from Lincolnshire or thereabouts though there seems to be one claiming to be a woman living in Scotland. If they are two separate people then why are they allowed to post with the same name. I used to post under the name of Allan C but was told not to as there was another poster using that name already. I happily changed it. So Mrs Musket if you exist to avoid confusion please change the name as the other Musket has been posting for years. If it is one poster doing all the posts then come on - that is silly.......

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:39 AM

Sorry Allan, I cross posted...and thank you for your explanation.

I was thinking more about different groups being labelled as bigots because of their views on subjects like immigration or same sex "marriage".....there are often reasons other than "bigotry" for opposition, as I tried to explain in one of my posts.
I have always respected your views and your conduct here, I apologise if I was clumsy in my language.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:34 AM

"At least most of the minority parties, be it the Lib Dems, the Greens, UKIP etc claim to have the interests of the whole of the UK at heart. The difference with the SNP (and to a lesser extent Plaid Cymru) is that they do not."

Howard that simply isn't true though. The SNP do claim to have the interests of the whole UK at heart. Maybe you don't believe them but that is a different thing! In fact Salmond even signed the Edinburgh Agreement promising they would work for the benefit of the UK as a whole whatever the outcome of the vote. ie the last sentence of clause 30 of the Edinburgh Agreement pasted below. So the SNP were asked to sign an agreement saying they would work for the UK as a whole, which they happily did, then on the eve of an increased SNP membership at Westminster they are told by some Tories that they do not, and could not, have the best interests of the UK at heart.

"The two governments are committed to continue to work together constructively in the light of the
outcome, whatever it is, in the best interests of the people of Scotland and of the rest of the United Kingdom."

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:21 AM

And as to Teribus we seem to completely disagree over politics. He is obviously very anti-SNP and independence so it must be galling when you see the No side win (even if it was narrowly) the referendum only to see support for the Nats, Greens etc blossom even further. He would even like to see the end of the devolved Scottish parliament. So he may be in step with a narrow majority as far as independence goes - but he is way out of step with the vast bulk of Scots as far as devolution goes. But I totally agree with him totally in that we can discuss these without personal attacks.

To give people down south an idea of what it was like in my household during the referendum. I am not a member of any party, and have never been a member of any party but yes I did help support the Yes campaign to some modest exent. Mostly in providing music at rallies etc along with other local folk musicians who were almost to a person Yes supporters too. At the same time my English born wife was not only a supporter of Better Together but she actively worked, and still does, for the local Tory Party. We didn't fall out.....and households like that existed all over Scotland. Despite the odd bit of egg throwing and some eejits from both sides spouting hate onine it was in general a flowering of democracy where vast numbers of people were engaged with the issues. No-one needs to fall out over it.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:11 AM

OK, those are your views and you are entitled to them, but what bearing does that have on the behaviour of "Team Musket" and the confusion it spreads on this forum.
Your attempted explanation above does not make sense.

This is not a forum for children's games, there are numerous serious subjects which the membership like to discuss. We all like to give our views just as you have done above, but we usually do it honestly and in good faith.
Politics and social issues are of great interest to a majority of the membership....I have learned a lot from people with a different view, but to learn from them, they must be allowed to make their point freely. Silencing others is the first step to Fascism.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Allan Conn
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 05:00 AM

Ake you claimed I called you a bigot! What I said was that just because a certain party has certain ideals it does not mean everyone who votes for them shares these ideals. The SNP have continually called for more immigration into Scotland. Not everyone who votes for them agrees with that. People don't think on block like that and that is the same for every party

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 04:50 AM

I wreck bigotry.

I stand proud of the fact.

If more people did so, the world would be better for it.

Your views are your own and you are welcome to them. Your demonising of others however is not a view. It is incitement to hatred. I don't like seeing criminals on Mudcat and will always say so.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 03:59 AM

"Just to repeat. The original Musket (me) got a little bit pissed off with certain people using the weak bully tactic of bringing up irrelevance in order to make your view look stupid."

This appears to be some sort of explanation for "Team Musket....the romantic comedy."

Well I have no idea who is posting it or what it means and I think it is simply a load of fibs.
What is wrong with being honest with the membership and putting your views as yourself.....its not possible to have a reasonable debate with three or four people using the same log in name, there are obviously going to be differences of opinion or nuance between you.

It simply confuses the debate and almost always derails it causing the moderators to pull down the shutters.
This is IMO the reason for the tactic, you have no reasonable response to offer on some subjects, so rather than see them discussed you try to wreck the thread.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 03:56 AM

and, BTW, I predicted the demise of the 'bland' thread at the third post to the thread. It was obvious from the outset where it would go and had nothing at all to do with anyone at that point.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 03:54 AM

achmelvich, for what it is worth, yes you are right and we need to get back to the topic, but...

(Didn't you know there was one of them coming!)

It was YOU who first brought up Musket's whereabouts (I explained) and it was Snail who first accused the three of them of being one person. I know you haven't accused then of anything but to blame them for thread closures is a bit unfair. In my opinion that is.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 02:35 AM

given the demise of the 'bit bland on here now' thread and the current theme of this one (yes, it's all about muskets again) how long before this one goes the same way? if anyone can steer this back towards the subject, i'd be grateful . i can't be bothered and may just take a break and read somethings more interesting

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Musket
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 02:34 AM

Wow. Anyone would think I crave attention. Or Musket does. Maybe Musket.

Had someone who understands why we do it wanting to join us recently. It's daft enough an idea as it is without anyone else joining in.

Just to repeat. The original Musket (me) got a little bit pissed off with certain people using the weak bully tactic of bringing up irrelevance in order to make your view look stupid. Two very good friends from our days together working around Sheffield and going round the folk clubs thought it would be fun to confuse the bastards by them not knowing which Musket it is.

To be fair, where one of us wants to give a very personal view, we say who it is, or in Martyn's case, post as some bloke in Scotland. I occasionally put Ian at the end and Nick makes it obvious by references to living in London, whereas I am in "The Isle" and Martyn is in Inveraray.

It does make it difficult to abuse the person posting and what made us finally do it was the strange spectacle of Keith A Hole of Hertford googling something, not what we put but something about one of us as people and as his search was flawed, questioned what we put.

Wow... These people, who don't know debate yet hate being exposed for their views actually exist. And whilst the buggers post here, we will ensure the view not the person is paramount by making it difficult for bullies with no respectable view to offer.

Mind you, nobody is perfect. I think Bryan leaves a snaily slime when he posts which makes me as bad. There again, thinking on, he casts doubt on anything I post so he obviously has nothing objective to offer.

Achmelvich. You displayed my point perfectly. Why would you confuse someone who states they live in Scotland for someone who doesn't? Especially when they state they live there? I do own a few properties north of the border but you just made it obvious you factored that into your contributions.

No need to be confused dear chap. Just start addressing what you read rather than what you prejudge.

Don't get like Terribulus who couldn't help pointing out Musket was gay when it had no bearing on his contribution to that thread and the Musket posting wasn't gay anyway.

You see, bigotry can't help revealing itself.

And it stinks anyway.

(I'm OK Dave. Musket was a week out when he said I had man flu. I was laid up with lurgy but fighting fit now.)

Oh. It is usually me in the music threads and only I open pm messages.

Now!

Scotland..

I am more concerned with my bricks and mortar rather than the people. So long as they look after my holiday lets and keep opening stonking restaurant in Edinburgh, the rest of the place can do what it wants.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Bert
Date: 28 Mar 15 - 12:37 AM

...ye have to love them...

You are supposed to love everyone until they prove themselves unworthy of your love.

As for The Scots, they have a special place in my heart. When I was a boilermaker apprentice, my mentor was a dour Scot, with whom none of the other apprentices would work.

He seemed a bit fierce at first, but it was my job to learn from him. He was a really good craftsman and I learned an awful lot.

I learned a lot more about him the day that his canary died, and he came to work, almost in tears.

A great man and a great teacher and a great friend, I really missed him when he finally left.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 07:05 PM

Sorry. Above anonymous GUEST was me unlike other anonymous GUESTs who, I suspect, are all further manifestations of Musket.

Well, the latest GUEST post count is 105,726. So tell us where, in that avalanche, Musket's guest posts begin. When contemplating his total number of posts, don't forget to add the thousands of posts actually posted under the Musket soubriquet. It's perfectly obvious to all that the recent anonymous guest posts can't all, or nearly all, or anything like nearly all, be by Musket. More likely, I'd suggest, it's none at all, unless he's done a few in a moment or two of levity. It is not his style. Whilst they don't have to, the moderators will be able to confirm that, I'm sure. Ŵe get more than enough unsupportable assertions around here without your adding to the sorry roster.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 06:51 PM

Of what? You're barking mad.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 06:23 PM

For the record:

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 26 Mar 15 - 06:15 PM

"We'll leave collective punishment to the Israeli regime, shall we?"


I'm keeping track.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 06:18 PM

:0)

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:45 PM

In the absence of evidence to the contrary...

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:36 PM

You suspect wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: TheSnail
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:32 PM

Sorry. Above anonymous GUEST was me unlike other anonymous GUESTs who, I suspect, are all further manifestations of Musket.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:10 PM

Does anyone actually believe this?

In the absence of evidence to the contrary, yes, I do.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 05:00 PM

there are no multiple personalities with Musket. There are 3 separate people posting with the same name.

Does anyone actually believe this?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,zero rimsky-korsakov
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 03:38 PM

thanks dtg. that explains a lot - it is a bit confusing and boring and i lose the will to try and follow it all- and nothing - why do people want to pretend to be yet another grumpy old bloke or be 2/3 versions of one grumpy old bloke?

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 02:49 PM

Like I explained before, achmelvich, there are no multiple personalities with Musket. There are 3 separate people posting with the same name. Rather like three different people in the pub with the same name. in my case I always say we are the posh submarine commanders. "Dave, Dave, Dave" :-) The original Musket (Ian) is poorly I think. This one is, I think, the doctor in Scotland. The third is, I believe, his wife, who, annoyingly for Ake, is a man.

Have I got that right Muskets?

Multiple personalities are when you get one person posting under different names. Rather like some of our guests on here do.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 02:08 PM

musket - i thought you lived down south somewhere and just had a few holiday homes in scotland. a bit like an absentee landlord then. not surprising if one of your multiple personalities isn't too keen on scots running their own show. sorry if i got this wrong - but i do find it a bit confusing to work out where you are (all) coming from.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: GUEST,Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 01:32 PM

Ake, It is obvious that English is not your first language but you really need to learn what quote marks are for. "ten minutes" makes no sense whatsoever. Dear boy.

Subject: RE: BS: scots - ye have to love them eh?
From: akenaton
Date: 27 Mar 15 - 12:33 PM

"Anyone who thinks they can get inside the head of a Gael in "ten minutes", is seriously mistaken."   (Ake...Mudcat 2015) :0)