BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 11:05 AM

New news - one of the lobbiers is my sister.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 12:49 PM

Wow, I read all that you guys post, and yet still missed that the article you posted, guest, had my mom quoted in it. Thanks! My poor reading of your contributions...

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Megan L
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 01:33 AM

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 08:31 PM

Here's the quote from Mrrzy's mom for those who don't do links;

"Court papers quote one woman who lost her mother and father during the Holocaust and her husband in the embassy bombing as saying, "I didn't let the Germans pay me for killing my parents, I'm not going to let the Iranians pay me for killing my husband." She agreed to join the suit only after it was arranged for any money to go into a trust."

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 08:21 PM

Hey Mrrzy I posted a link to that article on this thread two weeks ago:

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 07:57 AM

This may be of interest to you Mrrzy: The Fight Over Iran's New York City Skyscraper

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Mrr at work
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 08:11 PM

Interesting article, quotes my Mom (who didn't want the German money after the Holocaust).

Blicky

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/07/16/the-fight-over-iran-s-new-york-city-skyscraper.html#

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Musket
Date: 17 Jul 15 - 11:20 AM

Presumably the word "personal" is key to whatever you mean Mrrzy?

I don't know what Musket meant when defending what Musket said earlier, but take it from Musket;

1. Jaw jaw not war war.
2. Bringing Iran into a world fold is nothing but good.
3. Keith questioned this so I questioned where Keith is coming from.

The world doesn't spin around you Mrrzy, whatever personal tragedy you have that is relevant history to "the Iran thing."

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 17 Jul 15 - 10:18 AM

Musket - look at what you last said to me, and stop wondering.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 15 - 08:30 AM

I know where and why he is digging in this thread though, hence my reaction.

Ditto you.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Musket quizzing himself
Date: 17 Jul 15 - 02:48 AM

Distracting?

No, I don't recall what I tried typing, nor do have an insight as to where Keith digs with his bucket and spade c/w a hankie on his head.

I know where and why he is digging in this thread though, hence my reaction.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 09:38 PM

"Right now" I said, Keith. It's a complicated world. And one in which "destabilising strategies" are hardy limited to Iran.

Of course it can reasonably said also that before Isis was a separate agent in the Syrian civil war, the kind of people who are now involved in it were an extremely significant element among those fighting against Assad and those Syrians who support his regime, deeply flawed as it is. (Very likely a majority - see here)

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 04:56 PM

Sorry to hear of your personal issues Mrrzy.

However, that isn't reason to back off from opportunities to make the world a safer place.

Sure, Iran, USA and EU are supporting beasts on the principle of enemy's enemy
and all that, but moving on is moving on.

The personal experiences of an ex PE teacher from Hertford UK are irrelevant, not relevant outside of Hertford and wherever he goes on holiday and distracting. Like the young educated normal people in Tehran, I am celebrating this monumental step on the road to world understanding.

Luckily, on all sides, we have humane moral people who put superstition to one side and think about future generations rather than stupid clauses on fantasy.

Live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 09:17 AM

Iran and its proxy Hezbollah are fighting for Assad, and against the uprising, since before there was an IS.

Iran is also sponsoring Hamas, and the uprising in Yemen.

Not yet time to speak of their destabilising strategies in the past tense.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 08:30 AM

Many governments have been responsible for the deaths of innumerable innocent people, including very much indeed the US (and UK). Very rarely indeed do they subsequently admit their guilt, even less often do they make any serious efforts to undo some of the herm they have done.

That is shameful, and it should be challenged. But it should never be used as a reason to block moves towards reducing the danger of war.

It's a complicated world. Right now the major threat is ISIS. In that context Iran, and for that matter Hezbollah are very much on side.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 15 - 07:57 AM

This may be of interest to you Mrrzy: The Fight Over Iran's New York City Skyscraper

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 15 Jul 15 - 12:18 PM

It IS like the Romulans, excellent point, nicely posted. I am all for the talking, beats the alternative every day of the week and twice on Wednesdays.

I would like to see a *part* of that conversation be Oh, yeah, and remember those legal judgments entered against you? Well, you kind of really oughta to honor those, too. As part of the ongoing conversation.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Jul 15 - 09:38 PM

Diplomacy with Persia and Persians is a heart warming prospect but battling with Revolutionary State Fundamentalist Islamic Iran that threw off its oppressor and puppet president the Shaw, is a fight that is inherently fraught with disdain and distrust.

The past is full of incidents such as Ronald Reagan ordering the last US battleship to fire in anger by shelling "the colonists" in the middle east. We even bombed a full Mosque, something unheard of in those days, so the CIA might kill a single terrorist. We failed, and we keep on failing to colonize the middle east resources.

Blow back is a vengeful business but it need not be eternal.

Can't we all just get along, after all even our civil war was like the stone age and no one is still upset about that war, no?

During the W years some of the intel on Iran included the prediction of Nostradamus claiming a Persian Prince will attack America with fire.

Rational Diplomacy is better than superstition and endless Colonial wars. It is a small step but better than building a war between Iran and Russia against the USA.

Let Israel be Israel. They should too wise to begin an atomic war.

If diplomacy fails and war ensues, all good people like fathers and mothers and children will have died in vain.

My misgivings is that the US must to some degree trust irrational religious leaders, theirs and ours, and not just statesmen.




TALKING IS A GOOD THING
The last time we talked to Iran was about the weapons we sold them to fight Iraq. Both of those countries lost a million young men in those US promoted wars and getting our hostages back and hour after Reagan became President.

We don't know if this weapons agreement will work. This is only a chance to stop nuclear war. This deal is a way to stop bomb production but it has its risks. The inspection agreements are forever and have no deadline. They are triple layered 24 hour inspections.

talking is hard. It is especially hard to talk to intelligent neighbors here in DC. There is a third of a million people here who have high security clearance. Even being seen associating with random people or neighbors is a stated risk in their clearance. This is hard for people who might live in Southern California to understand or even imagine. To talk with Iran is even harder. Its like talking to the Romulans.

Please allow talking to be seen as a good thing in your heart and among your friends.
It may not heal the past but it may heal the future.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Mrr
Date: 14 Jul 15 - 08:28 PM

Grr

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 29 May 15 - 01:34 PM

My Dad was an interpreter in the Refugee Relief Program, stationed at the Consulate in Naples. They asked him to go to Ankara, he declined, and they brought us stateside. He'd wanted Beirut. It was a very different time...

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 May 15 - 01:01 PM

Curious, Stim, where were your embassies when you were a brat?

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 27 May 15 - 10:28 AM

I don't watch any terrorism-related entertainment... but I've heard of that show.

Thanks for the support. I am much more upset with MY government and its role in this whole mess, I find, than the fact that Iran sponsored the particular attack that killed Daddy.

The rug should not be available for this to be swept under it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 26 May 15 - 09:51 PM

Have you watched the TV series "Homeland"? It's about Iran and terrorism. This last season, which actually moved the action to Pakistan, was about your issues--embassy attacks, rapprochement, and expedient betrayal. Not sure if you should watch it or avoid it;-)

As I have mentioned before, my wish and hope for you is that some way, you can find some personal sort of peace and resolution.

Having said that, you are also a witness to the catastrophe of American Middle Eastern Policy, which bounces between violent intervention and passive obliviousness, and your story needs to be heard and remembered.

And having said that, I am glad you had fun on your float trip--the perfect way to spend the first weekend of summer!

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 May 15 - 07:22 PM

In a raft (or kayak or canoe) down a river.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST
Date: 26 May 15 - 06:55 AM

What's a float trip?

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 25 May 15 - 10:48 PM

Back from a terrific float trip to find this thread still active... thank you all so much.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Stim
Date: 25 May 15 - 04:15 PM

It is hard to know what to say, Mrzzy. My heart aches for you. I was an embassy brat once, and, as you know, we all feel a personal connection whenever anything happens to any one of us, anywhere.

For one thing, it's a small world, and, especially over time, everyone has some sort of line of connection to everyone else. For another, the issues connected with Lebanon and Iran have affected everyone for a really long time, and then, of course, it could have easily been my Dad. So regardless of whether the rest of the world remembers, or not, I will never forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,wys.cookie.broken.v2beta
Date: 24 May 15 - 10:31 PM

Mrr I'm off the grid too til Tuesday a.m. but thinking of you.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 23 May 15 - 06:08 AM

We don't have to love them but we do have to recognise that the world has to move on and that people don't need to carry on being murdered in droves.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 23 May 15 - 05:06 AM

Yes, we English are now expected to love IRA terrorists, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,Mrrzy at float trip
Date: 22 May 15 - 07:02 PM

Ah, yes, we weren't in the states in the 70's, I didn't remember hearing of that one at the time. Or since. Where is history?

I'm off the grid till Memorial Day, but will be very interested upon my return. Wysiwyg, I am pm-ing my phone #, but it isn't on.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 May 15 - 11:21 AM

Sorry about the incomplete sentence.

Read sometime about the National Stadium, and read also the novel 'The Evil That Men Do' by R Lance Hill.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 May 15 - 11:18 AM

Pinochet was a sick twisted mind in a military uniform. No better than Eichmann, Pol Pot, et al. Read sometime about the National Stadium, and if you can find the novel 'The Evil That Men Do' by R Lance Hill. I think you'll appreciate it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 15 - 11:14 AM

You bet.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 22 May 15 - 10:28 AM

This 9/11?

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Greg F.
Date: 22 May 15 - 10:20 AM

I still have no actual idea what "other 9-11" you mean

No point in my continuing. How soon they forget.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 May 15 - 10:14 AM

Have you considered writing to the federal justice department? It was a federal ruling that litigants have their claims settled based on their respective states of residency at the time of the car bombing. I read the court ruling document in its entirety, and although I recognize the frustration you are feeling, I do think a letter to the Attorney General of the US would be a good move on your part to get some written clarification with regard to the lawsuit and the subsequent decisions made by various state courts.

There are some events in our lives that never leave us. Regardless how educated we get, our feelings are a separate entity and a separate reality. However, the issues are different. There is NO justice available for your dad. Thirty-two years carrying that burden is enough. You seem to be in turmoil because you want something that your country will not give. My unsolicited opinion is to forget for now the matter of your dad's death. Concentrate on getting the money from the court decision. Then use that money in court to get resolution for yourself and your father regarding his murder. Toward that end, rapprochement with Iran is the best thing that could happen. The bill Iran owes is outstanding, and court decisions cannot be overridden so easily by anyone including the United States government.

Excuse me if I have overstepped any boundaries. That was not my intent. You're having a rough time. Keep your eyes on the prize because although justice late is at times justice denied, it doesn't necessarily have to end that way. In short, don't get screwed up, get even. Street Fighting 101.

Best regards.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 11:02 PM

Yeah, they are the ones who either answer with a robo-letter about nukes, or don't answer at all. I am thinking of going down to the local office on Monday and crying there... Memorial Day is also sad.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 May 15 - 09:41 PM

Mrrzy, have you got in touch with your state representatives?

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Rapparee
Date: 21 May 15 - 09:36 PM

Congressfolk don't read letters, emails, or anything other than papers with "Pay To The Order Of" line and the amount correctly completed.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 09:35 PM

I still have no actual idea what "other 9-11" you mean, and, I am not disputing that there have been other horrors, committed by other people, individuals, and governments. It's just that again, this thread is not about them.

If you are talking about something specific, cite your facts and name the individuals. Alternatively, you could start another thread about general horrors of war, declared and undeclared. I could contribute to that, especially if you want to talk about things the US has done, allegedly or not.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 15 - 08:17 PM

for some possibly-American-perpetrated wrong to an amorphous group.

"Possibly" American perpetrated? It was most assuredly U.S. planned, funded, and perpetrated and if you DON'T know tht, you SHOULD.

So the victims of the Chilean coup and Pinochet's victims are just some "amorphus group" to you?

Fathers and mothers and children were murdered just as surely as your old man was.

Get a grip.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 04:58 PM

Oh, yeah, I forgot: I sent a letter to my congressional people about this, and from one received an answer demonstrating that they had not, in fact, read my letter at all; if there was a flunky assigned to put them into "fer" and "agin" piles, I don't think they read it either. Anyway, the answer was about the details of the reactors. So I sent an upset letter about how they should read their mail before answering, and in a little while got the same robo letter-to-the-Agins (I think; it might have been the letter to the Fers). I then sent a more upset letter to which I have received no answer, nor have I gotten anything back from the other members of Congress.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 04:53 PM

Thanks, guest, for the blicky.

Re: right after the U.S. pays reparations for the OTHER September 11th that killed many more people than the business in Beirut

I am not, repeat, not, talking about Reparations, certainly not about vague "reparations" for some possibly-American-perpetrated wrong to an amorphous group.

We are talking about enforcing *existing judgments* handed down in a court of law based on actual facts (blicky to the facts of my case) demonstrating exactly how Ayatollah-loving, Iranian-funded, Syrian-trained, Lebanese moslem *individuals* specifically killed *my father* and, even more particularly, the refusal of my own government, who had put my father there in the first place, to acknowledge this, either in the concrete or in the abstract.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: GUEST,#
Date: 21 May 15 - 01:51 PM

The Global Lawyer: Iran's Bill Comes Due

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 15 - 01:27 PM

you can have your nuclear deal, but only *after* you pay the existing judgments against you for the terrorism you did do.

Probably right after the U.S. pays reparations for the OTHER September 11th that killed many more people than the business in Beirut.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 01:14 PM

Well, the first two blickies work.

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 01:10 PM

Susan, you're a sweetheart. Rapparee, my sympathies.

Back to that lost post... first, yeah, it was the Gipper.

Then what I had said was something like, I don't want to continue any wars, I just want *acknowledgement* - yes, you can have your nuclear deal, but only *after* you pay the existing judgments against you for the terrorism you did do. The sweeping under the rug of anything that isn't Al Qaeda should stop. 9/11 was not the opening salvo, it was merely the biggest blow (at the time) in something that had been ongoing for years before that. Daddy's bombing wasn't the opening salvo either, it was the biggest blow, at the time. It *was* the first suicide carbombing, though. And it didn't even make the cover of Time magazine (Nastasia Kinski - Hot New Faces From Europe - we got the little folded corner thing). Speaking of acknowledgement.

And now the links:

Here is an article in the American Lawyer: Nope, can't find a link, the article is titled The Global Lawyer: Iran's Bill Comes Due, and I can forward it to you if you can't find it, I have a link to the site's search box only, here you are: http://www.americanlawyer.com/search-results-layout-page?query=iran+deal&publication=TAL+2008&x=0&y=0 (blicky

Here is an op ed in the New York Times: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/29/opinion/the-ghosts-that-haunt-an-iran-accord.html?ref=opinion&_r=0 (blicky


And here is a change.org petition started by the nibbling named after our dad, whom he never got to meet: https://www.change.org/p/senator-bob-corker-senate-committee-on-foreign-relations-justice-for-victims-of-iranian-terror-in-nuclear-deal blicky)

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: wysiwyg
Date: 21 May 15 - 12:20 PM

I am deeply, terribly, horrifically, sad.

The only thing that is not rational about weeping for an hour every morning before I can get out of bed is doing that alone. I can spend that hour with you on the phone a couple of days a week, at least-- as close as you'll let me be. PMing fone number. (How did you think I got so smart?)

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 May 15 - 12:15 PM

Well, where did my lovely post with all the links?

Subject: RE: BS: Mrrzy & the Whole Iran Thing
From: Greg F.
Date: 21 May 15 - 11:59 AM

Not the Gipper! Say it ain't so!