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Subject: American Hollow documentary From: Clint Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:26 PM Just finished watching the show. Wife and I had to wipe some tears away. It is just too sad. How can people live like that? |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 29 Nov 99 - 11:46 PM "And you ask how we can live that way, and how we get along, We're Blue Ridge Mountain refugees and we're struggling for our lives." ----- Si Kahn, in a song about the ones who left to work in the northern cities The concepts of land and family and heritage are now becoming so alien that it adds to the mystery of "How." Its an excellent piece isn't it? Spaw
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Easy Rider Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:04 AM What are you talking about? |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Bert Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:20 AM Because they choose to maybe? I remember as a child we lived in a similar 'holler' in England. It didn't take my Mom & Dad long to work their way out of there though. For us kids it was fun, it must have been hell for them. Bert. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Little Neophyte Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:30 AM Easy Rider and I would like to know what you are talking about |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: star2fire Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:38 AM Last night there was a special documentary about people who live in the Appalacian hills [hillbillies by one account] on HBO. Go to HBO's web site, there is an interview with Rory Kennedy, the movie's producer. My mom was born in Russell County Virginia (not to far from the Kentucky border) and I went with her to visit my grandparents many times while I was growing up. I thought the movie did a very good job of showing how it is back in there. Several of my relatives still live just like that in those hills, although I was raised in Southern California. I thought it was a spectacular piece of film. I can't wait for it to come on again. (Also, I haven't heard that accent in a long time. It really made me miss my grandparents.) |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Nov 99 - 11:25 AM Not getting HBO makes me want to hear more of what folks have to say about this documentary. But I suspect none of this is any secret to the likes of Sandy and Caroline Paton and Allan Lomax and the Warners who have/had many friends in these regions who sang their songs and opened their doors to them. It's surely where so many of the songs and ballads we venerate came from. Unless I'm completely wrong in my assumptions, what with not having viewed the program myself, Jean and Edna Ritchie and all their family, with all their love and wonderful music, grew up like this in Kentucky. Art Thieme |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Dale Rose Date: 30 Nov 99 - 12:33 PM I got this from the HBO site, but as it does not indicate whether the time shown is Eastern or Central, (should be Central, but I think it's Eastern, as my HBO cookie needed resetting) you'll just have to check your local listing, I am sure it will be helpful anyway. I am not going to fool with trying to straighten out their table listing. I think Mudcat will sort it out into one continous string ~~ cramped, but readable. This richly textured documentary tracks one year in the lives of the Bowlings, a poor Kentucky family struggling to survive in a prosperous America that seems to have bypassed their isolated hollow. Focusing on the family's individual stories, the film paints a sensitive portrait of an extended Appalachian family while shattering the stereotype of the American "hillbilly." All Showings, All Channels Date Time Channel Mon, Nov 29 8:00 pm HBOHD East Mon, Nov 29 8:00 pm HBO East Mon, Nov 29 11:00 pm HBOHD West Mon, Nov 29 11:00 pm HBO West Thu, Dec 2 1:00 am HBO East Thu, Dec 2 4:00 am HBO West Sun, Dec 5 3:00 pm HBOP East Sun, Dec 5 6:00 pm HBOP West Wed, Dec 8 7:30 pm HBOP East Wed, Dec 8 10:30 pm HBOP West Tue, Dec 14 4:55 am HBO East Wed, Dec 15 7:55 am HBO West Mon, Dec 20 4:00 pm HBOP East Mon, Dec 20 7:00 pm HBOP West
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 12:44 PM Damn, I REALLY want to see this. Anyone tape it? Rick |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Easy Rider Date: 30 Nov 99 - 12:58 PM Yeah, Rick. Put me on line, right after you, for a view of that tape. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Dale Rose Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:00 PM Next showings are on Thursday, Dec 2, and there are ample opportunities thereafter. Now that Mudcat has untangled the hodgepodge that you get when copying tables, it is easier to sort out.
Mon, Nov 29 8:00 pm HBOHD East |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:10 PM Still Begging! We don't get HBO. Rick |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:17 PM Another eye opener is a film called MATWAN. It's about coal miners in that part of the country, and what happened to them when they tried to organize. brutal.
I do wonder how come Appalachia gets so much attention as a poor district, and, where I came from, just as poor, gets very little? The high school I attended was so sub standard, you could get a letter if you knew what the letter was.. etc. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:18 PM If I can, I will group. I'm such a techno wiz that I keep having problems taping through the freakin' Jerrold box though. I will try to get it on tape for you...It is really worth the watching. As someone who worked for the Appalachian Volunteers and the Council of the Southern Mountains, I gotta' tell you it was well done. And my comment above is apprpos to the region although for better or for worse, the family structure is changing. Although I understand Clint, there was always a certain grace associated with the people there, a sort of purity. I'm not waxing poetic...there were some real shitkickers too, but the 'times they are a changin'" even in the upholler communities. make of it what you will. Art, the Ritchie home shows that same blend of the old and the new....but the family remains close to their roots and the land. And BTW...do you enjoy listening to Edna as much as I do? Same as Jean, but different. In some ways, more pure and true to the "sound." A lot of daughters/nieces and grandkids also have that same voice, kind of amazing. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:29 PM Another eye opener is a film called MATWAN. It's about coal miners in that part of the country, and what happened to them when they tried to organize. brutal.
I do wonder how come Appalachia gets so much attention as a poor district, and, where I came from, just as poor, gets very little? The high school I attended was so sub standard, you could get a letter if you knew what the letter was.. etc. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:37 PM Jeez Kendall, ya made your point! I remember grade nine very fondly...the best three years of my life! I think you're right about the songs though. Folk songs romanticize poverty, just as many of the "working man" ballads I heard from recordings as a teenager, emphasised the "nobility" of hard work, but not the boredom or the sore muscles. Rick |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:42 PM You don't get HBO 'cause you're incredibly cheap!!!(:<)) We wouldn't have it either, except living here in the Ohio boonies somewhere east of East Buttwipe, we can't get diddly without cable...and in for a penny, in for a pound. Besides, A&E,TLC,History Channel, etc....makes it worthwhile. I'll tape it if I can do the mojo with the VCR....You do have a VCR doncha' Rick? Or did you opt for the Beta stuff because of the nice inlay work? Spaw - dumbass who originally bought Beta...... |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 01:56 PM No, you curmudgeon you! We don't get it cause it's NOT IN THE PACKAGE WITH THE OTHER ONES' NAMED. (which we Do have) If we didn't have to put up with Barbra Streisand and Celine Dion concerts, unfunny comedy extravaganzas (starring truly hilarious comedians like the current Bill Cosby) we'd get it! Besides, we're broke! Rick |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 30 Nov 99 - 02:03 PM Damn, and I was hoping to get a nickel from you so I could have two to rub together! We did put new windows in upstairs that work well and I have a really worn out but serviceable pot...plus I take lasix. So that front is covered at least. And Kendall...I LOVE "Matewan"......well done and reasonable historical accuracy. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Gary T Date: 30 Nov 99 - 02:25 PM Kendall, you've got me curious. Where do you come from? |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: star2fire Date: 30 Nov 99 - 02:59 PM I will tape it also, but I know nothing of uploading so I will snail mail it out, if you need it. (Email at star2fire@yahoo.com) I loved the music my grandpa made, playing out on the front porch in the evening, and singing songs which I have forgotten. I think it's true that much of our heritage is there in those hills. I did not feel sorry for the folks there. I thought the movie portrayed the families with respect for their culture, although I was heartbroken for the lad, Clint I think his name was. I always felt like I needed to play music, and I believe it was largely my grandfather's influence. I play the fretted dulcimer (easier that banjo for sure) and I am glad there are still people in this country who remember their great grandparents lives. I am no Luddite, but technology and city living, etc, turns us away from nature and heritage sometimes. (Well, it does me, anyway...) American Hollow reminds me in a powerful way. Love it. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: bunkerhill Date: 30 Nov 99 - 07:48 PM Appalachian poverty gets so much attention, in my 'pinion, because of the landscape. People and things stand out in relief against the hills and are that much easier to focus on. It's just as easy -- easier -- to find a family bypassed by prosperity in the Chad Brown Housing Project of Providence, but the scenery sucks. Public housing in an urban landscape don't afford the contrast that the verdant hills do. ^Thanks to some of the comments on this thread, I'm looking forward to seeing "American Hollow," but I still fear it may extend the stereotyping of Eastern Kentucky or. ^I visit the area as often as I can and spend a week or so catching up with folks who are about as middle class as my neighbors in Massachusetts. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:54 PM OK Gary, I'll be serious for as long as I can stand it. I was born and raised in a tiny community outside Machias Maine. Washington County, one of the poorest in the country. The only heavy industry was a 300 pound Avon Lady..oops..sorry. I dug clams, worked in a sardine plant and raked blueberries 'til I was old enough to escape into the Coast Guard. I knew we were poor, but, didnt know just how poor 'til I got out and saw some of the rest of the country. As I said, all this comes out in our humor, rather than songs. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Susan A-R Date: 30 Nov 99 - 09:57 PM The politics of the resources of appalachia (fossil fules) are a bit different. There's a theory, not entirely paranoia, that the area has ben a sacrifice area due to the resources there. Darn, I am probably now at a point where I could see both Matawan (I hear my friend Jim Costa is one of the musicians in it) and the new doccumentary, but there's this problem. No TV, No VCR. Actually, it's a great reason to socialize with one's neighbors. I'll bring the food and the video and they provide the technology. I can get matawan at the local video store. Let me know about the other. Say Catspaw, when did you work at CSM? (We've ben through this, right? I was there in 1982.) Susan |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Art Thieme Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:28 PM We grew up so poor we couldn't afford to pay attention. The high school had to use the same car for Driver's Ed. and Sex Education. Art
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Rick Fielding Date: 30 Nov 99 - 10:48 PM Thanks starfire. Cat, Matewan was excellent, but when the blacks and Italians started jamming you can hear a CHROMATIC HARMONICA! All right I know I'm too picky, but I notice stuff like that! Bravo Kendall. Your "serious span" is even shorter than mine! |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 01 Dec 99 - 01:20 PM Art you made me break up, and believe me, thats not easy to do!! I love it when I hear a new one!!! same car for drivers trainig and sex education.. You had a car? we would have killed for a car. We would have killed for sex too, but, as I said, it was a sub standard school. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Dec 99 - 03:04 PM Well Rickster, I said "reasonable historical accuracy".....but don't you just love finding stuff like that? And Susan, yeah, we did I think. Anyway it was 70-71. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Art Thieme Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:09 PM Kendal, Your welcome to any joke of mine you want. I probably stole it anyhow. There's nothing more American than theft under the sun. I've certainly gotten a ton o' mileage out of your joke with the punchline: "Three days later the well dried up !" Anybody know the joke that leads up to that line? Art |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 01 Dec 99 - 10:55 PM Ohboy...........I know I'm going to regret this, but, uh.......oy..............
"Okay there Mr. Bones," said the grimacing Catspaw, "What is the joke?" Spaw |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 02 Dec 99 - 12:36 PM This story was one I wanted to use on the TODAY SHOW when they came to Maine for the bi-cenntennial, but, Jim Hartz thought it was not appropriate. Anyway.. a farmer noticed that his well water was tasting odd, so, he sent a sample out to be tested. Very soon, he was visited by an engineer, who came to inspect his property. Noticing that the well was close to the cess-pool, he told the farmer that he would have to quit using the well, or the cesspool. Farmer thought, I can get by without the cess pool, so, he quit using it. And.. 3 days later, the well dried up. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: catspaw49 Date: 02 Dec 99 - 12:42 PM "Believe me Kendall...ONCE was enough," said the Catspaw, now writhing in pain. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Dale Rose Date: 02 Dec 99 - 03:14 PM Just a reminder that the show airs tonight (technically tomorrow) at Midnight Central time on HBO East, and at 3AM on HBO West. It is scheduled for one hour and thirty-five minutes for those setting a timer. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: kendall Date: 02 Dec 99 - 03:29 PM you asked for it lol |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Dale Rose Date: 02 Dec 99 - 05:12 PM As luck would have it, Matewan is ALSO on currently. It is showing on the Independent Film Channel (IFC). Next showing is tomorrow, December 3 at 5AM Central Time. It looks to be scheduled about 10 more times for this month. It is two hours, fifteen minutes long. |
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Subject: RE: American Hollow documentary From: Wesley S Date: 20 Jun 00 - 12:00 PM I thought folks might want to know that "American Hollow" is on HBO again tonight. As they say - "Check your local listings". |
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