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BS: Cultural genocide

Jim Carroll 14 Jun 15 - 05:05 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 05:05 AM

"That quote is about West Bank settlements."
Doesn't make any difference - they all say the same thing - "drive them out"
Do you have any evidence that anything that has been put up (which you refuse even to respond to) are "fakes" or are you just reduced to denying documented evidence - these are not "our opinions" - they are all taken from researched sources, and the fact that you refuse to respond to them indicates tha you are not able to.
Wild accusations of "fake" are a sign of desperation - evident from the start of this discussion
If you have any actual evidence to back your case - feel free
Your dishonesty in accusing others of lying is breathtaking - it really is.
Hope you said a prayer for yourself this morning.
YOUR CASE
Another piece for you to ignore now you're home from Church
Jim Carroll

From The Economist SQUEEZE THEM OUT
The Palestinians' West Bank
As Jewish settlements expand, the Palestinians are being driven away
May 4th 2013 | SUSIYA | From the print edition

IT WAS just another day for the Israeli army on the West Bank. Having parked its jeeps in the hills south of Hebron, a unit of soldiers checked the papers of the Palestinians who lived there, confiscated one or two, and then herded the people and their flocks off a hilltop which a nearby Jewish settlement, called Susiya, has been eyeing with a view to taking it over. "Military zone," tersely explained an Israeli officer, who had just received a warrant declaring it such. "Off you go."
Taking time out from their Saturday morning prayers, a few settlers looked on approvingly. "Don't argue," replied the officer, when a Palestinian shepherd asked why the soldiers were moving Arabs out of the newly acquired military zone but not Jews. "You have a minute to move or I'll arrest you," said the officer.
"Settlers are just off-duty soldiers," mumbled the shepherd to his sons as they stubbornly continued to tend their sheep. A Palestinian mother picnicking with her two toddlers is hauled away by Israeli soldiers, while villagers plead for her release.
The signs of previous bouts of displacement ring the adjacent hills. Mobile homes for young Jewish settlers sprout on the hilltops. Armed with a list of military orders, Israeli soldiers are herding the West Bank's Palestinians out of the rural 60% of the territory, officially known as Area C, where Israel has full military and civilian control, and into cities. On some days the Israeli army declares a patch of land to be a live-fire military zone. On other days they say the Palestinians must move because of an impending archaeological dig. The erection of hilltop stations to provide antennae for Israeli mobile phones (but not for Palestinian ones) is another oft-cited reason for pushing Palestinians out. Eight Palestinian hamlets around Susiya face demolition.
Armed Jewish settlers assist the clearance. Soon after the army did its job, a Jewish shepherdess from Susiya brought her flock onto a Palestinian field of wheat to let it graze. Someone had scratched out all the Arabic road signs. "The only weapons we have are our cameras," says Alia Nawaja, a mother of seven turned amateur camerawoman, who lives in a nearby hamlet. Palestinian violence, however, still occasionally erupts. On April 30th a Jewish settler was killed by a Palestinian for the first time since September 2011, at the other end of the West Bank.
A barrage of reports by the UN, the European Union and assorted charities has repeatedly warned that the Palestinians in Area C are under threat. Some 350,000 Jewish settlers now inhabit over 200 settlements and outposts in the same area, usually on the high ground, twice as many people as the Palestinians in the land below. Moshe Yaalon, Israel's new defence minister, the ultimate authority in the West Bank, backs a report commissioned last year by the Israeli government, endorsing all such Jewish settlements. Naftali Bennett, another powerful minister in the new coalition of Binyamin Netanyahu, the prime minister, wants all of Area C to be annexed outright to Israel.
In many respects this has already largely taken place. A senior Israeli officer recently testified in court that in the past 45 years of Israeli occupation the army has redistributed around 70% of the West Bank land designated as state-owned either to Jewish settlers or to the World Zionist Organisation, whereas less than 1% of supposedly state-owned land was granted to Palestinians. While Israel's government expands Jewish settlements and ties them to Israel proper with a network of roads, it bars and sometimes reverses Palestinian development. It habitually denies housing permits to Palestinians, thus stunting the community's natural growth, yet provides uninterrupted water to Jewish settlements. Water for the Palestinians generally comes once a week, by lorry. Israeli soldiers have destroyed scores of small EU-funded projects, ranging from wells to solar panelling, and threatened to demolish scores more.
So far this year Israel's army has evicted almost 400 Palestinian West Bankers from their homes in Area C, the fastest rate for two years, says the UN, and has dismantled over 200 residential and work-related structures. The number of such incidents has risen sharply since a new Israeli government, with even stronger settler influence within it, took office in March. As a result, the European Union called on April 26th for an end to what it calls "the forced transfer" of Palestinians out of Area C. The Israeli army has also again demolished a restaurant, al-Maghrour, in a rural spot that was popular with Palestinians from nearby Bethlehem, which is increasingly hemmed in by settlements. In addition, some 2,300 Bedouin have recently been earmarked for removal from the strategic west-east corridor known as E1, which links Jerusalem to a big Jewish settlement, Maale Adumim, and to its smaller satellite community, Kfar Adumim, where Israel's new housing minister, Uri Ariel, happens to reside.
CORRECTION: The first version of this story had an incorrect number of Palestinian West Bankers in the final paragraph. This was changed on May 20th.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 05:13 AM

Jim, I have always accepted that there is an issue about settlements in the West Bank, but I challenge your claim that "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

Did you mean that or not?
If you did, what evidence have you for such a claim?

Why do you claim that West Bank settlements are the same as cleansing Palestinians out of Israel?
Two entirely separate issues, one of which you have made up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:01 AM

Ethnic cleansing means trying to clear a particular ethnic group from a territory. That may or may not mean a nation. Ethnic cleansing does not necessarily mean putting everyone on big trucks and dumping them somewhere else, or lining everyone up and shooting them. You can attempt it by making life intolerable for the people you want out. Bulldozing mosques and homes, often whole villages, and cutting off natural water supplies, as the Israeli regime does to the Negev Bedouins, fit the bill. Israel wants the Bedouins out the Negev. Keith is, dishonestly as ever, trying to set a booby trap by forcing his own very narrow definition of ethnic cleansing, expressed, of course, in the precise way needed to exclude anything Israel does, then asking us whether Israel is guilty of it. Israel has expanded its occupation more and more, and makes life difficult or impossible for the people who formerly lived in those areas. It may not be mass murder, but it is still ethnic cleansing. If you take over a Palestinian area for settlements that are exclusively for Jewish people, what else would you call it, Keith? Application of the planning laws, maybe, so we just shrug?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:35 AM

"I have always accepted that there is an issue about settlements in the West Bank, "
No you haven't - you have always accepted them unquestioningly
Why lie about something you have crusaded on for years
When the Bedouins were moved onto a toxic site - first you denied their toxicity, eben though it was common knowlege, then you said "nobody has a right to move about to live where they choose" (this of a large population of Nomads   
"the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians".
The Israelis are attempting to force the Palestinians into Ghettos, with the eventual aim of clearing them out of the area permanently - doesn't happen overnight, but that is the aim of the right wing Zionists who rule the roost.
Apartheid, clearly identified and condemned by decent Israelis, is one step in this process.
Recently an Israeli Minister has said that Israel was "bequeathed by God to the Jewish people".
Zionists are calling for the Government to cut off electric and water suppo#lies to Gaza and "Drive them into the Desert" and others have said they should be driven out "Their Arab neighbours can take care of them" - common after the last two murderous invasions of Gaza - cutting off water and electricity is now a common weapon of the Israeli regime.
Yes - I believe the regime wants an ethnically pure Israel - that was the aim at the beginning and it remains the goal of the people in charge.
One of Israel's main problems is that it has ovr-stepped the mark as far as the rest of the world is concerned, even with the "decent" countries.
Dispite your attepts to show otherwise, all have condemned the expansionist programme and most have recognised last years massacres as "massacres" - only head-bangers like you support their terrorism.
You say there is no ethnic cleansing, yet you have been given atricles from Israelis, from Jews es#elsewhere, from non Jews.... even from Holocaust Survivores, naming it for what it is. I aslk again, do you believe the Holocaust Survivors are liars?
"Why do you claim that West Bank settlements are the same as cleansing Palestinians out of Israel?"
If people are driven out of their homes - that is ethnic leansing.
If Israelis take the attitude they have of stone-throwing, cutting off water, delaying planning permits... when new houses are built... where are the evicted going to go?
Last year, following Israel's mass destruction of homes and hospitals, the regimres first step was to withold taxes much needed to rebuild the destruction
The blockade has prevented essential building and farming material from evntering Gaza
Do you want more -- plenty of examples, that was only the start.
Answer my question and respond to the information you have been given
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:37 AM

"one of which you have made up"
You are lying
Every single piece of information I have put up has been taken from documented reports - they have bee sourced
Where have i ever invented a quote?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 06:50 AM

Can you pleae put up my "made up" quote
NOW
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:26 AM

This is what passes for news reporting that the dupes of the world lap up then spew out on forums such as this one:

Former al-Jazeera America journalist sues over anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias

Shannon High-Bassalik says during Gaza war she was told to cast Israel as the villain and emphasize the Arab point of view.


TOI


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:44 AM

So are you moaning about the articles or about the Times Of Israel, not exactly a neutral publication, eh? :-). I don't know who your "dupes" are but those are not sources I would ever resort to. Try again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:15 AM

"Former al-Jazeera America journalist sues over anti-Israel, pro-Arab bias"
WE'll stick with everything you're ignoring, if you don't mind - that's what passes for news reporting
Do you think the Holcaust Survivors are lying Antisemites?
Keith seems to be refusing to say anything on the grounds that it might incriminate him
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:15 AM

A typical dupe comes up with a typical dupe comment....as expected.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:26 AM

Whoops – missed a bit

Trócair

Eviction

Amnesty

NEW York Times

NHuman Rights Watch

Aryeh King, settlers leader

Now that's what I call news reporting
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:45 AM

And Bruce The Distempered trolls again.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 09:49 AM

"Keith seems to be refusing to say anything on the grounds that it might incriminate him"

Nah, Jim, he'll be tightening up his definition of ethnic cleansing, having checked out all his sources first, in order to exclude everything Israel has ever done to the Palestinians. Sheesh.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 03:37 PM

Bit difficult finding "real historians" on a Sunday
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 03:43 PM

Why's that, Jim? Do they refrain from servile works?   :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 03:47 PM

Are there any living eminent ethnic cleansing experts still around?

Might be some waiting in cells in The Hague or hiding in Serbia.

I'm sure they will all agree with Keith's definition.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 04:10 PM

Steve,
Keith is, dishonestly as ever, trying to set a booby trap by forcing his own very narrow definition of ethnic cleansing,

No.
Jim was quite specific in his accusation.
He claimed "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

That is unequivocal.

I take it that you both now admit that the Israeli regime is NOT attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians.

Jim,
"one of which you have made up"
You are lying


I said, "Two entirely separate issues, one of which you have made up."
One issue was the settlements, which I have always acknowledged was an issue.
The other issue was that the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians, which you made up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 07:32 PM

Ah. Anything Keith either cannot comprehend or doesn't fit his agenda is "made up."

Nothing new here...

Hardly worth the wait really.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 14 Jun 15 - 08:36 PM

"The other issue was that the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically"
No it wasn't - you are now lying about lying
Your accusation was that I had made up a quote credited to Sharon the Butcher
""The Sharon quote was definitely faked. He never said it"
What wa the quote that was "faked"
You seem totally unable to separate truth from fiction - that is why you still have not produced the actual "made up" quote
You are really squalid - a true representative of the Israeli regime
Just go away - you are now a standing joke with your "historians" and "decent countries" and "implants.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:00 AM

The quote was faked but not by you.
You just immediately and unquestioningly believed it, as you people do all the propaganda and lies poured out by enemies of Israel.

I accused you of making up an issue, not a quote.

Why do you claim that West Bank settlements are the same as cleansing Palestinians out of Israel?
Two entirely separate issues, one of which you have made up.


Steve and Musket, do you believe that, "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

Why can you find no evidence of it?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:08 AM

The Palestinian territories are ever-contracting, the Israeli-usurped areas are ever-expanding. Life for Palestinians is difficult or impossible in those areas. It's clear what the Israeli regime's ultimate aim is, to clear Palestinians out of its most desired and desirable areas. That is ethnic cleansing. Out of the Israel that the regime wants to create. Will that do, Keith, or do you want more time to keep working on your definition?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:21 AM

I know what ethnic cleansing is thank you Steve.
The charge is specifically, "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

Have any been removed already?
If so who, and where to?

Who says that "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians?"

Apart from Jim obviously, and where did he get it from?

He made it up!

You know it is not true, but you go on trying to defend a demonstrably false claim.
Let's clear this one up and discuss some real issues.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:38 AM

I have learned a valuable life lessen recently and I suggest that you have the benefit of my experience to save wasting any more of your time. There is no point arguing with Keith. Ethnic cleansing is only ethnic cleansing if it fits his definition. Historians are only historians if they fit his definition. Racial implants are only racial implants if they fit his definition. See the pattern here?

"I don't know what you mean by 'glory,' " Alice said.
Humpty Dumpty smiled contemptuously. "Of course you don't—till I tell you. I meant 'there's a nice knock-down argument for you!' "
"But 'glory' doesn't mean 'a nice knock-down argument'," Alice objected.
"When I use a word," Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, "it means just what I choose it to mean—neither more nor less."
"The question is," said Alice, "whether you can make words mean so many different things."
"The question is," said Humpty Dumpty, "which is to be master—that's all."


And to paraphrase someone else, we seem to be in different counties seperated by a common tongue...


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:55 AM

"The quote was faked but not by you"
It was not and you accused me of faking it - I fakeed nothing and never have
You are a total disgrace in the amount of time you are prepared to spend defending Is#Israeli atrocities - you have done t for years, each time the Israelis launch into another bout..
You have the facts
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 05:55 AM

"The quote was faked but not by you"
It was not and you accused me of faking it - I fakeed nothing and never have
You are a total disgrace in the amount of time you are prepared to spend defending Is#Israeli atrocities - you have done t for years, each time the Israelis launch into another bout..
You have the facts
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 06:52 AM

The Palestinian territories....

Can you show us the borders of these so-called "Palestinian" territories and tell us when they became the "Palestinian" territories.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 07:15 AM

Dave,
Ethnic cleansing is only ethnic cleansing if it fits his definition.
Completely unfair and untrue.
I have only challenged the specific claim that Jim made because it is false.
You all know it is false.

Jim,
"The quote was faked but not by you"
It was not and you accused me of faking it - I fakeed nothing and never have


I did not accuse you of faking the quote, just of repeating it.
I did accuse you of making up the claim that "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

It is not.
Israel has not been "cleansed" of one single Palestinian.
Deny that Steve?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 07:17 AM

Which bit of There is no point arguing with Keith did you not understand, Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 09:20 AM

There is no point in you arguing over this, because Jim's claim is obviously false, but you can't help yourselves.

The whole pack together in full cry.
You know you are wrong, but you can not admit it.

"All for one and one for all, the pack right or wrong"

Jim claimed, "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

It is attempting no such thing.
Not one single Palestinian has been "cleansed" out of Israel.

Deny that Dave?
Steve?
Musket?
Greg?
Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 09:42 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_demolition_in_the_Israeli%E2%80%93Palestinian_conflict

I guess a few of those who have had their houses demolished would consider themselves cleansed but, as I said, all down to your definition of cleansed. No point continuing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 09:44 AM

I must say that your pretense at being the brave little soldier standing against all the forces of evil made me laugh out loud though.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:03 AM

I guess a few of those who have had their houses demolished would consider themselves cleansed

Um no. For an example of ethnic cleansing please see the dispossession ans expulsion of Jews from Muslim countries in 1948.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:07 AM

For an example of not as bas as see the above post.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:19 AM

I must say that your pretense at being the brave little soldier standing against all the forces of evil made me laugh out loud though.

Hardly.
All I have done is keep repeating Jim's ludicrous claim, and enjoyed the spectacle of the whole pack of you trying to justify it.

Jim claimed, "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

It is attempting no such thing.
Not one single Palestinian has been "cleansed" out of Israel.

Deny that Dave?
Steve?
Musket?
Greg?
Jim?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:21 AM

For an example of not as bas as see the above post.

Please see false analogy fallacy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 10:40 AM

If I met you two arguing in a pub I would have you both evicted. Jim says that it is endemic. You say it does not exist. The truth is probably somewhere in between. I believe that some Palestinians are being driven out of Israel as my link shows. You do not accept that as ethnic cleansing. You are constantly redefining generally accepted terms and, as I have often said, it is not possible to discuss anything when you constantly change the goalposts. Absolutely no point continuing.

Tell you what though, seeing as you are playing that game, link us to where I, one of 'the whole pack' I presume, have tried to justify Jim's claim. You made that up...


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:09 AM

I believe that some Palestinians are being driven out of Israel as my link shows.

Your link does not show that any Palestinians have been driven out of Israel, and none have.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:14 AM

So then, Keith, where is that link to my justifying Jim's claim? Or did you make that up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:23 AM

Dave, you said, " I believe that some Palestinians are being driven out of Israel as my link shows."

None of the links you have provided shows any such thing.

I do not make things up Dave.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:29 AM

So, where is the link to my justifying Jim's statement then? I am pretty sure I have not done so but I am always willing to be proved wrong.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:34 AM

Dave, you said, " I believe that some Palestinians are being driven out of Israel as my link shows."

None of your links shows any such thing.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:37 AM

So, where is the link to my justifying Jim's statement then? I am pretty sure I have not done so but I am always willing to be proved wrong.

How long do you think we can keep it up?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:53 AM

There is not a link to you justifying Jim's statement Dave.
That is what I said Dave.

But you did try to justify Jim's statement.

You said, "I guess a few of those who have had their houses demolished would consider themselves cleansed but, as I said, all down to your definition of cleansed."

That was certainly said in support of his case and against mine.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 11:57 AM

It was against your case. It was not in support of Jim's. I said I believe that the truth is somewhere between Jim's position and yours. I don't support either 'case'. You made that up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 01:58 PM

You have only just said, "I believe that the truth is somewhere between Jim's position and yours."

Previously you talked of house demolition has if it justified Jim's claim.

Why do you "believe that the truth is somewhere between Jim's position and yours?"

Are you aware of Israel being cleansed of any Palestinians?

No, because there have been none.
Jim's claim is false.
The truth is not somewhere between.
There is no truth at all in Jim's claim.
He made it up.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 02:20 PM

Cleansed?

To be fair to Keith, that isn't the correct word in many instances.

"Murdered" by "Israeli state sponsored militants" is somewhat better fitting.

Hey Keith? Those schools and hospitals in Palestine look nice and clean!

Amazing, truly, shockingly and disgustingly amazing...

Still, it just shows that Goebbells had a point. Some daft twats will read it and repeat it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:01 PM

Previously you talked of house demolition has if it justified Jim's claim.

I don't know what you are on Keith but you need to take more water with it. What makes you think I would use house demolition to try and justify Jim's claim? Or have you just made that up? I posted it because it said that house demolition was being used as punishment and I believe it is wrong to punish people because they are of the wrong race.

Why do you "believe that the truth is somewhere between Jim's position and yours?"

Simply because I do not believe anything I read in the press and even less of anything I read on the internet. I also believe that people, in the main, are good and no race of people would want to 'cleanse' another race. There are, however, some people in power who would want that. So the truth lies somewhere between the majority who do not want it and the power mongers who do.

Have you ever thought of making your own mind up on anything rather than trawling through the internet for justifications for your beliefs?


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:11 PM

What makes you think I would use house demolition to try and justify Jim's claim?

Because you linked it to "ethnic cleansing" Dave.

Jim claimed, "the Israeli regime is attempting to ethnically cleanse Israel of Palestinians."

It is attempting no such thing.
Not one single Palestinian has been "cleansed" out of Israel.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:21 PM

I linked it to your definition of ethnic cleansing. Nothing to do with Jim. He is quite capable of fighting his own battles.

What you mean by Not one single Palestinian has been "cleansed" out of Israel. is what I was talking about. I think having your house demolished illegally is a pretty strong hint that someone does not want you to live there while you seem to believe otherwise. Whether it is 'ethnic cleansing' or not seems to be your only argument and, personally, I do not care what you call it, it is a nasty thing to happen.

What DO you mean by 'cleansed' anyway? How about giving us an idea WTF you are on about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 15 Jun 15 - 03:26 PM

Oh, BTW, You have only just said, "I believe that the truth is somewhere between Jim's position and yours."

I said that 10:40AM Mudcat time, less than an hour after I posted the link and before you started rabbiting on about me justifying anything. It's all up there for anyone to confirm.


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