Lyrics & Knowledge Personal Pages Record Shop Auction Links Radio & Media Kids Membership Help
The Mudcat Cafesj

Post to this Thread - Printer Friendly - Home
Page: [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10] [11] [12] [13]


BS: Cultural genocide

GUEST 31 May 15 - 07:09 PM
GUEST 31 May 15 - 07:13 PM
Greg F. 31 May 15 - 08:10 PM
GUEST 31 May 15 - 09:57 PM
Musket 01 Jun 15 - 03:15 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 03:42 AM
GUEST,HiLon 01 Jun 15 - 04:01 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 04:21 AM
GUEST,Hilo 01 Jun 15 - 04:27 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 04:41 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 04:59 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 06:52 AM
Naemanson 01 Jun 15 - 07:02 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 07:33 AM
GUEST 01 Jun 15 - 07:45 AM
GUEST 01 Jun 15 - 07:46 AM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 08:13 AM
Ed T 01 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM
GUEST 01 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM
GUEST 01 Jun 15 - 08:32 AM
Musket 01 Jun 15 - 11:47 AM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 02:35 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 02:47 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 02:59 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 03:02 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 04:09 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 04:13 PM
Jim Carroll 01 Jun 15 - 04:21 PM
GUEST,ollaimh 01 Jun 15 - 04:25 PM
Ed T 01 Jun 15 - 04:47 PM
GUEST 01 Jun 15 - 04:52 PM
Keith A of Hertford 01 Jun 15 - 05:35 PM
Joe_F 01 Jun 15 - 06:16 PM
Jim Carroll 02 Jun 15 - 02:30 AM
GUEST 02 Jun 15 - 03:22 AM
Musket 02 Jun 15 - 03:36 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 05:03 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 05:09 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 05:19 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 05:24 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Jun 15 - 06:12 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 06:22 AM
GUEST,dáithí 02 Jun 15 - 06:44 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 07:17 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Jun 15 - 07:56 AM
Keith A of Hertford 02 Jun 15 - 08:01 AM
Teribus 02 Jun 15 - 08:19 AM
Jim Carroll 02 Jun 15 - 08:21 AM
Musket 02 Jun 15 - 08:25 AM
Greg F. 02 Jun 15 - 08:25 AM

Share Thread
more
Lyrics & Knowledge Search [Advanced]
DT  Forum
Sort (Forum) by:relevance date
DT Lyrics:













Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 15 - 07:09 PM

The text is from the the UN board of inquiry.

Nice try at the attempt to smear though.

Despicable.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 15 - 07:13 PM

highly likely - might have - could have - likely

Translation: no evidence.


I'm sure the terrorist group Hamas was very cooperative with the UN investigators.

Use your head,fool.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 May 15 - 08:10 PM

Got anything other than childish insults, guest? Like facts, perhaps?

Still waiting for the excerpts from the same Board of Inquiry report on Israeli activities.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 31 May 15 - 09:57 PM

Got anything other than childish insults

Got to hand it to you for chutzpah.

You, of all people.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 03:15 AM

Guest of all people?

Guest is the name of the contributor who, to date, seems to have supported terrorism, questioned whether getting a stiffy for young girls is wrong, questioned whether black people are capable of strategic thinking and reckons Muslims are all rapists.

Nobody is interested in your actual name, after all, most decent people would cross the street to avoid weirdos, but if you can't have courage if a consistent moniker, you have nothing to add, and from your partisan bullshit, even less to add anyway.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 03:42 AM

None of these quote over what happened last year deal with the mass murder of civilians by the Israeli forces, where hospitals, schools health centres and old people's homes were deliberately targeted using sophisticated and sometimes illegal weaponry.
An early act following the war wasfor Israel to enlist the support of the U.S. to oppose an enquiry into what happened.
BAN THE INTERNATIONAL WAR CRIMES COURT
Equivalent to a suspected criminal demanding that the court be abolished.
Bruce the Beirdie isn't the only one cringing behind six million dead to defend war crimes and atrocities.
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,HiLon
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:01 AM

"cringing behind six million dead" I can't believe you actually said that.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:21 AM

"I can't believe you actually said that."
Anybody who accuses critics of Israel for war war crimes of Antisemitism is doing exactly that
According to the fully accepted European definition of Antisemitism, it is Antisemitic to attribute the behaviour of Israel to the Jewish people as a whole - these people do exactly that constantly.
Not only are they absolving Israel of the war crimes they have undoubtedly committed, they are attributing those crimes to the Jewish people as a whole - Antisemitic, whichever way you look at it.
Don't believe it, trawl through the threads and see how many times it has happened (our anonymous guest once posted as 'Bearded Bruce' - his favourite ploy)   
In trying to avoid a War Crimes enquiry into what happened last year, the Israeli regime are indulging in the same practice.
Should they succeed in abolishing the International Crimes body, there will be no significant independent method of examining and trying international crime, atrocities and human rights abuses, whoever commits them.
Work it out
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,Hilo
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:27 AM

I still can't believe you actually said that !


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:41 AM

Why - how would you describe their behaviour?
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:59 AM

None of which makes an iota of difference to the fact that Israel is an extremist terrorist state.

Says who Jim?
You and your gang obviously, but no-one who actually knows anything.
No democratic government for instance.
No European or any EU state including the one where you live.
It is not a terrorist state, but it is surrounded by actual, acknowledged terrorist states.
Hamas' Gaza, Hezbollah occupied Lebanon, Syria and IS, so why do you always and only criticise Israel?
Why no threads about them, or Saudi, Yemen, Libya, Egypt?

The region is full of nasty regimes all far nastier than Israel that at least has the excuse of being constantly under attack and fighting for its very survival.
So again, why do you always and only criticise Israel?
And Jim, why did you post about the antics of one small group of Jews, NOT Israelis, but never about the antics of minority groups within, say, Islam or any other religion.
(Apart from Christians obviously)


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 06:52 AM

"Says who Jim?"
The facts, which you spend a great deal of time denying.
The U.S. has used its veto over 100 times to prevent Israel being tried faor war crimes.
Sabra/Shatila is an open book on Israel's facilitating the massacre of over 3,000,000 unarmed refugees - denied by Israel, supported by nobody else.
The fact that self-interested nations have remained silent does not make the photographs and films of white phosphorus showering down on occupied areas, or of flechette missiles or the reports of occupied hospitals being destroyed, or of the movement of nomadic peoples onto toxic rubbish dumps..... (all reported and verified) go away.
That there are "nastier people" around is indisputable - many of them are Britain's allies and customers for their weapons, but this does not alter the fact that Israel is a terrorist state - all the political opportunism and self-interested appeasement proves nothing - the Western World saton its hands and watched while the regime which sent six million Jews into the gas chambers rose to power.
Even Jews recognise Israel as being a terrorist state - the definition of Antisemitism carefully disassociates itself from Israeli behaviour.
s early as 1949, some of the finest Jewish minds, including Albert Einstein, posted a letter to the press warning of the Zionist fascism in Israel - were they antisemitic.
The fact that politicians and statesmen prevent one of the world's great war criminals prevent a regime from standing trial is not an indication of innocence - if Israel is so innocent, why not prove it publicly?
"why did you post about the antics of one small group of Jews....."
Possibly for the same reason you have persistently attempted tp show that the behaviour of a minuscule number of criminals in Britain is the result of their culture
In my case, I believe that all religious fundamentalism gives rise to insanity such as 'women shouldn't drive cars"
What's your excuse?
Why don't I condemn Muslim extremism - I do - I denied all forms of religious extremism without qualification or excuse.
I tend not to seperate one from the other because there are people (no names mentioned) who use the condemnation of the behaviour of extremists to condemn whole cultures.
Israel is a nuclear power and therefore a special case while it is in the hands of expansionist extremists - a world threat.
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Naemanson
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 07:02 AM

How many countries attempted cultural genocide?

The Spanish pretty much every place they colonized. Or you might put it this way:

The ________ pretty much every place they colonized. (Fill in the blank with any country that has ever established a colony on populated land.)

I live in one of those colonies now. Make no mistake. Guam is a colony no matter how they dress it up with the name of "territory."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 07:33 AM

Shou;d read "I "condemn" all forms of religious extremism" - of course - vener denied any of it.
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 07:45 AM

The use of the term in the article quoted in the opening post, and so the question How many countries attempted cultural genocide?, is more specific than that.

Did something similar happen in Australia ? (e.g.link)

But how much of it was a consequence of colonialists making gains by enforcing economic changes that destroyed societies, rather than wanting to change cultures to be more like them ? That might include some areas of influence of both the USA and Soviet regimes (and maybe the World Bank).


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 07:46 AM

That was to Naemanson's post


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 08:13 AM

Jim, if all that is true, why do all democracies including yours treat it as an equal, and not as a terrorist state?

Because you and your little gang are wrong about it, and perhaps have your own reasons for always and only attacking Israel while ignoring the far worse crimes of all its neighbours.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 08:17 AM

There are some other interesting North Amerucan examples, such as the missionary exploits in Hawaii, where much of the original culture was "snuffed out" and replaced (an exception are those retained to entertain the tourists).


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 08:29 AM

There are examples throughout the world and throughout all history, indeed it might be said that there is virtually no place on the planet that has been untouched by colonialism, in one or other of it's forms, in some time in history.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 08:32 AM

Here's hoping this thread won't be "genocided" once Ilsa gets up.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 11:47 AM

Err. Keith.. The UK is one of many EU countries supporting UN censure of Israel. The votes are usually vetoed by The USA.

A few years ago, the Foreign Secretary Jack Straw referred to Palestine and called on Israel to stop military activities outside its own borders contrary to UN blah blah

I'm sorry that The UK and many other EU countries don't appear to be alive, eminent and in agreement with you but your fantasy has to have some limits.

Interestingly, when I was in Israel last year, I was heartened by the vigil outside their MOD equivalent HQ, Israelis calling "Uncle Bibi" a terrorist.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 02:35 PM

"Jim, if all that is true, why do all democracies including yours treat it as an equal, and not as a terrorist state?"
For the same reason Britain regards Saudi Arabia as an equal and sends representatives to their King's funeral while a journalist is being given 1000 lashes for speaking out of turn - political pragmatism.
Ireland is not "my" country, by the way - I was born in Britain, am a British citizen and only moved here 16 years ago.
How about responding to Israel's crimes instead of telling us who supports them - we all ready know there is no marality to buisness and political interests.
You have the facts
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 02:47 PM

That is the point Jim.
They are not recognised as crimes by the democracies.
Only by you people and Israel's other enemies.

Musket,
Err. Keith.. The UK is one of many EU countries supporting UN censure of Israel.

I think you just made that up.
Tell us more about it.

There was a UN debate on September 23, 2014, under Agenda Item 7, "The Human rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories."

Israel walked out, and the EU went with them.

"The State of Palestine expressed its disappointment at Israel's decision not to participate in this agenda item of the Council. The occupation and numerous human rights violations by Israel for the last 47 years made Israel the world's biggest violator of human rights."

"United Arab Emirates for the Arab Group expressed extreme discontent about the European Union's decision to boycott this agenda item."


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 02:59 PM

EU Relations with Israel

The EU and Israel committed themselves to establishing a partnership which provides for close political and mutually beneficial trade and investment relations together with economic, social, financial, civil scientific, technological and cultural cooperation.

The Action Plan concluded with Israel helped give new energy and focus to EU-Israel relations. Its objective is to gradually integrate Israel into European policies and programmes. Every step taken is determined by both sides and the Action Plan is tailor-made to reflect Israel's interests and priorities as well as its level of development.

There is also, for the first time, a financial assistance element to EU-Israel cooperation - Israel is eligible for €14 million in European Community financial cooperation over the next seven years.

The legal basis for the EU's relations with Israel is the EU-Israel Association Agreement .

As a result of the Action Plan discussions on the most contentious issue of EU-Israel relations over the years, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, have been stepped up.
http://eeas.europa.eu/israel/index_en.htm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 03:02 PM

They are not recognised as crimes by the democracies.
Only by you people and Israel's other enemies.
So giving a human being 1000 lashes isn't a crime against a human being or yousing white phosporous isn't a human rights abuse - or bombing hospitals...
isn't a crim against huanity because the free west doesn't protest it - give us a break Keith
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:09 PM

Or Pinocet wasn't a mass murderer because he had Thatcher's support, or Papa Doc, because he ws bankrolled by the yanks? - or Franco, or Salazar, or Assad, or Qadaffi..
What a strange morality you Christians have
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:13 PM

the free west doesn't protest it

Correct.
Proper democracies understand that Israel is a decent country forced to defend itself from enemies all around seeking its destruction and another genocide of the Jews.

All the EU countries including Ireland.
Other European countries like Switzerland.
Scandinavian countries.
Canada, Australia and New Zealand.

All you have are the really nasty regimes.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:21 PM

"Proper democracies understand that Israel is a decent country forced to defend itself from enemies"
Israel is a terroriat state that massacres refugees and civilians
The only thing it is defending is the right to drive peole from ther hiomes t expand their territory
Anybody who tries to set up monotheist apartheid State is aq political thug
Yo have tried to deny what they are doing and have faled, now you are just endorsing it
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,ollaimh
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:25 PM

i see ed t is leading this discussion, who a few years ago was denying torture and killing olf native children. pretty much until it appeared on the national news on all three Canadian national channels. the official 6000 dead is still rising. it used to be a few hundred then a thousand then ythree thousand. there were approximately fifty thousand children who are unaccounted for. a full third of the residents. they are only counting those they know what happened to. this is a direct parallel to Nazi holocaust denial. mess with the numbers and ignore murder and compensation.

and the churches were part of the larger imperial plan and got paid well. the Anglican and Presbyterian churches were allowed to use their ministers as magistrates in many reserves. they fined the locals their land for the offence of not attending church. about half the money collected in that land grab was sent to the Scottish Presbyterian church and the English Anglican church. it was good business stealing native land.   there is a well documented case in british Columbia of magistrate Webster who seized hundreds of thousands of acres of excellent forest land then sold it to the major logging companies for a kick back and to finance the church in England Scotland and locally.   the native never got it all back. the court system is so stacked aginst them they had to face forty more years of litigation or settle for half. so any idea that it's all int he past is just more holocaust denial. natives are still suffering the effects and still arte owed compensation for abuse and for the stolen land.

of course there is almost no point in trying to discuss this with mudcatters. holocaust denialist all around.(joe defends actual Nazis when given half the chance --so long as they are nice middle class and have nice middle class families)

and joe tries to turn the conversation to Armenia to deflect the fact his catholic church was convicted of torture in Canadian courts. and sexually abused and murdered many children. AND attempted to have the torture convictions sealed against all Canadian law--criminal courts are public.

these evil churches and their evil leaders stole and raped and right up to recent years have been on a vicious campaign to discredit anyone fighting for native rights.. look at the treatement of kevin annett, who publicly exposed the magistrate scandal of land stealing in british Columbia. demonized, expelled from his church and followed by the secret police every day. with bill c 51 he will be on terrortists watch list--wait and see. all of this is easily documented if one cares enough to look it up--(I used to be told by racists like gno, q and ed t to prove it)

this isn't restricted to canada. they did this all over the british empire. look at the Kenyan land grab and the incarceratioln of over a quarter million people to try and stop the land revolt--including children as young as eight and torture and major malnutrition in captivity. on pine ridge reservstion there were over 400 murders of native never investigated by the fbi or anyone else.   because they asrmed the people who did it to break native resistance. and the united states and their churches armed the Guatemalan regime that murdered a quarter million natives who were trying to get their land back. the anglo empires have done the land grab world wide and stopped at nothing to retain their money. to bad most of you have your heads in the sand and clearly espouse totally racist and genocidal opinions.
.shame on almost all of you.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Ed T
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:47 PM

"i see ed t is leading this discussion, who a few years ago was denying torture and killing olf native children."

Not factual, merely fantasy from an inaccurate source, striking out indiscriminately with a past "burr in a foot"


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 04:52 PM

So what about the future ollaimh. Had you noticed that it will come or do you live, as you write, in the past tense.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 05:35 PM

Israel is a terroriat state that massacres refugees and civilians

No it is not Jim.
That is all bollocks.
If there was any truth in it, decent countries would shun it.
They do not because it is not.

It used to be possible for you and your ilk to appear to make that case.
Post Syria and IS it is no longer possible for people like you to claim that Israel is the problem in the Middle East.
It is not and never was.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Joe_F
Date: 01 Jun 15 - 06:16 PM

In 1972 I wrote in my journal:

'This ugly word [genocide] was *made* to be abused. The only word for murder should be "murder". It is as morally corroding to invent new words like "genocide" to make some kinds seem worse, as it is to invent words like "liquidation" to make other kinds seem better. It is of course worse to kill two human beings than one, and so on all the way up into the millions; but Hitler's crime was a crime not because the Jews were "a people", but because they were *people*. It would have been no smaller if the six million had been chosen by lot. The predicatable sequel to "genocide" is "cultural genocide", a notion that tries to attach the stigma of murder to any attempt at the integration of communities that the speaker disapproves of.'

I have not changed my mind.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 02:30 AM

"If there was any truth in it, decent countries would shun it."
The "decent" countries, as you call them, were quite capable of it themselves - Britain with the Empire, America in VietNam, and all the other countries they carried out their clandestine and not-so-clandestine wars in pursuit of political power and wealth.
"Gallant little Belgium" (one of the cases we sacrificed a generation of young men for, slaughtered up to ten million Congolese for rubber, and if the quotas were not met, they removed the hands of those who failed to meet the targets.
More recently, Britain committed us to an ongoing war in the Middle East to safeguard oil supplies, in the process of which, it dragged us into bed with monsters like the Saudi despots, Qaddafi, Assad....
Thatcher ascertained that mass-murderer Augusto Pinochet never came to trial for the rape, torture and massacre of thousands of young people who had the temerity to oppose his coup.
The massacres that went on during the Greek coup in the sixties, uncommitted on in Britain - Greek politicians and royalty were treated as welcome guests while opponents to the Greek military regime were undergoing the same experiences as were Pinochet's victims.
Britain sold weapons, equipment and chemicals to the Assad regime, despite its record of torture and murder.
These "decent" countries don't give a toss at what happens as long as it's kept within borders and qut of sight.
All "decent" countries are interested in is trade and political co-operation - human rights doesn't feature on their agendas - but even so.....

SETTLEMENTS

WAR CRIMES

SETTLEMENTS

HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS

HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS AGAIN

INTERNATIONAL CONDEMNATION - INCLUDING CAMERON

IRELAND AND THE UN

USE OF VETO

WOMEN IN ISRAEL

Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 03:22 AM

It's a shame that a forum centred on music, especially on traditional music can't talk about the thin end of the wedge of CULTURAL genocide rather than going beyond the topic into genocide.

Shy of discussing all those little changes that can add up to changing a culture are we ? How about the really thin edge - things that most people would agree on, e.g. "to achieve universal primary education" . It's not possibly without change that could destroy a whole culture.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 03:36 AM

"Israel walked out, The EU went with them"

Good old Keith. I don't blame you. Your fantasy knows no bounds. EU countries have all, each and every one of them supported the 45 UN resolutions condemning Israel in their rogue state actions against Palestine.

Even you might be able to google that without calling me a liar for once.

Why don't you get back to telling us why schools and hospitals were legitimate targets for Israeli militants? Sadly, that really happened. I'm sure you must have prayed for their success eh?

😢


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 05:03 AM

I do not make things up Musket.
No fantasy from me.


There was a UN debate on September 23, 2014, under Agenda Item 7, "The Human rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories.

"The decision by the EU and other western countries to boycott anti-Israel proceedings at the UNHRC has many Islamic countries up in arms, as can be seen in the embedded video.

Agenda Item 7 of the UNHRC is entitled, "The Human rights situation in Palestine and other occupied Arab territories" and is directed atg Israel.

Pakistan, speaking for the Islamic Group at the UNHRC, expressed "deep disappointment that certain member states of the Western European and Others Group had ceased their participation under agenda item 7, which [is] particularly disturbing in the light of the latest Israeli behavior."

The United Arab Emirates, speaking for the Arab Group, expressed "extreme discontent about the European Union's decision to boycott this agenda item."

Addressing the assembly, UN Watch's Hillel Neuer lauded the boycott. In free and democratic societies, he explained, "right is preserved by an independent judiciary that is empowered to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority," but at the United Nations, "the system works differently. Here, the majority faction has the power to decide whatever it wants; there are no limits. The minority faction has no judicial recourse, no right of appeal, no remedy."

"Agenda Item 7 singles out one people, Israel, for differential and discriminatory treatment," he said, noting that in 1968, a similar form of discrimination took place in Tehran, at a UN Conference celebrating 20 years since the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. "When the author of that declaration, René Cassin, saw that Israel was being singled out, he walked out early in protest."

"Because sometimes," Neuer continued, "non-participation speaks loudest. Sometimes, it is the only remedy that can deny the legitimacy of a bigotry which cannot otherwise be challenged or overcome."

"Agenda Item 7 was denounced by Secretary General Ban Ki-Moon and human rights groups including Amnesty International," Neuer added. The EU, US, Canada, Australia, France, Britain, Holland did not take the floor. "The free and democratic world, echoing the appeal of René Cassin, has spoken for justice." "


Israel walked out, and the EU went with them.

"The State of Palestine expressed its disappointment at Israel's decision not to participate in this agenda item of the Council. The occupation and numerous human rights violations by Israel for the last 47 years made Israel the world's biggest violator of human rights."

"United Arab Emirates for the Arab Group expressed extreme discontent about the European Union's decision to boycott this agenda item."
http://www.arabamerica.com/video-muslim-states-at-un-seethe-over-eus-pro-israel-walkout/


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 05:09 AM

No Western democracy calls Israel a "rogue state" or a "terrorist state."

You and Jim just make that up.

Israel like any state is not above criticism.
EU states have criticised Israel over the settlement issue.

They have not accused Israel of war crimes, massacres or human rights abuse.
That is just propaganda put out by Israel's enemies who are guilty of real crimes much worse than the trumped up accusations against Israel.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 05:19 AM

"The European Union and Israel share a long common history, marked by growing interdependence and cooperation. Both share the same values of democracy, a respect for freedom and rule of law and are committed to an open international economic system based on market principles. Israeli political, industrial, commercial and scientific leaders maintain close links to Europe. Over five decades of trade, cultural exchanges, political cooperation and a developed system of agreements have cemented these relations."
http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/israel/eu_israel/political_relations/index_en.htm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 05:24 AM

"The legal framework for EU- Israel relations is provided by the The EU-Israel "Association Agreement" pdf - 548 KB [548 KB] signed in Brussels, on 20 November 1995, and following ratification by the 15 Member States parliaments, the European Parliament and the Knesset, entered force on 1 June, 2000. It replaces the earlier Cooperation Agreement of 1975.
The main features of the EU-Israel Association Agreement include provisions on regular political dialogue......."

"Among other things, the agreement states that the respect for human rights and democratic principles guides the internal and international policy of both Israel and the EU and constitutes an essential and positive element of the Agreement. At Israel's request, there is a Joint Declaration on the importance both parties attach to the struggle against xenophobia, anti-Semitism and racism."
http://eeas.europa.eu/delegations/israel/eu_israel/political_relations/agreements/index_en.htm


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 06:12 AM

You have th facts of Israel's behaviour - you have had them for a long time and you denied them.
You have claimed that no "decent" country condemned Israel - you have had international and internal responses condemning Israel including holocaust survivors - you ignore them.
Two years ago, a former leader of the Israeli security service described Israel as all but fascist - he pointedly stopped himself using the word 'Nazi'.
Israel is condemned throughout the world for its expansionists behaviour, for its treatment of Palestinian civilians, for its attempts to set up an apartheid State, for its murder of civilians, for its genocidal policies towards nomads.... all that is necessary is to open a newspaper or a book or turn on the television to confirm that Israel is a terrorist Sate.
Last year it slaughtered 2,000 plus Palestinian people, the most of them chivilans, and a large percentage of them children and old people.
They deliberately targeted hospitals, refuges, schools, health centres, using heavy artillery, chemicals and fragment weapons.... these are acts of a terrorist state.
Politicians and human rights groups throughout the world have condemned their actions.
Threats of making them answer their crimes in the International Criminal Court has led them to attempt to have the court abolished - backed by the U.S. -this will leave the world without a neutral body able to try war criminals from anywhere - (Isis included)
Those are the facts - we read them in all our newspapers, they appeared nightly on our televisions sets - they have been commented on by human rights groups, in Israel and outside.
Even that nice Mr Cameron has condemned them
You continue to defend them
Jim Carroll   
retribution threats


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 06:22 AM

That is all bollocks Jim.
If there was any truth in it, decent countries would shun Israel.
The reality is warm friendly relations between liberal democracies.

Post Syria and IS it is no longer possible for people like you to claim that Israel is the problem in the Middle East.
It is not and never was.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: GUEST,dáithí
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 06:44 AM

The English, and later, British states practised cultural genocide form an early date in Ireland.
This included:
Seizing land, by conquest and settlement of their own citizens on land previously occupied by the indigenous people

Outlawing the religion, language, dress, music and customs of the indigenous people

Introdusing laws to specifically prevent those practising the religion of the majority of the indigenous people from inheriting land or property or from entering higher education.

Introducing National Schools to anglicise the indigenous population - a typical result in the 19th/early 20th centuries was that grandchildren could no longer speak the same language as their grandparents, which led to many old folk tales and songs being lost - and, overall, resulting in a deep-rooted lack of cultural confidence which has only recently started to lift.
Thanks lads!


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 07:17 AM

Outlawing the religion, language, dress, music and customs of the indigenous people

And to this day, Ireland has no customs, traditions, music or religion.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 07:56 AM

"That is all bollocks Jim."
Yeah - we know these holocaust survivers, Jews For Justic, Davic Camero, The UN, Amnesty Internation and all the rest of them can't be trusted
and thopse photographs, news reports and film footage.... what can one say....!!!!
As you claim Keith - All bollocks
Now go and have oyur dinner and you can play in the garden later
Oh dear!!!
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 08:01 AM

Jim, If there was any truth in it, decent countries would shun Israel.
The reality is warm friendly relations between liberal democracies.

Your prejudiced view of Israel is not held by governments.
It is wrong.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Teribus
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 08:19 AM

"Israel is condemned throughout the world for its expansionists behaviour"

"Expansionist"??? You mean something along the lines of what Russia has been doing recently? Being expansionist implicitly infers that the country being accused of being so is/has increased it's territory beyond it's previously recognised and established borders - for the benefit of those not bored shitless by this subject could any of the usual anti-Israeli "suspects" care to come up with any map that shows the boundaries of the State of Israel that is recognised by PA/Hamas/Hezbollah/Fatah/Syria/Saudi Arabia/Lebanon, that indicates in any way that Israel is being "Expansionist".


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 08:21 AM

"Jim, If there was any truth in it, decent countries would shun Israel."
You men like Saudi Arabia, Pinochet's Chile....
United States

BRITAIN

TYRANTS

You appear to be reduced to Dalek imitations again
Go away -
Jim Carroll


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Musket
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 08:25 AM

I must stop eating cheese.. I am under the impression I agree with Keith's last post.

You can't compare a country of yesterday with one of today. The role of the Westminster government in Ireland before any of us were even thought of is totally irrelevant.

Israel however are ignoring 45 UN resolutions to this day. Both The UK and Ireland, together with the rest of the civilised world (a quick way of saying except USA) support the resolutions. Resolutions using words which Jim and I are apparently making up....

As I said, some say good old Keith.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate

Subject: RE: BS: Cultural genocide
From: Greg F.
Date: 02 Jun 15 - 08:25 AM

Two words, T-Bird: West Bank.


Post - Top - Home - Printer Friendly - Translate


Next Page

 


This Thread Is Closed.


Mudcat time: 10 July 4:26 PM EDT

[ Home ]

All original material is copyright © 1998 by the Mudcat Café Music Foundation, Inc. All photos, music, images, etc. are copyright © by their rightful owners. Every effort is taken to attribute appropriate copyright to images, content, music, etc. We are not a copyright resource.