BS: Thread deletion

Subject: BS: Thread deletion
From: Musket
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 03:53 AM

So.. Some anonymous troll (let's for the sake of argument call it braidedbeardedbruce) calls a perfectly reasonable contributor (let's for the sake of argument call him Steve Shaw) an anti Semite pig, for no reason whatsoever and the moderators close the thread rather than delete the offensive hate post

Meaning that the conclusion to the thread, there for anyone to see forever, including google hits on the subject, is abuse with no right of reply.

Tell me, is this Max's take on life or just a rogue troll with moderator access?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 04:53 AM

I have some sympathy with Musket's point above. Many threads are closed after right wing loonies start flinging insults - and get suitable responses.   The gander does not get the same sauce as the goose.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 04:57 AM

Hear, hear to both comments. But you do know that the best way to get a thread deleted is to question moderation policy don't you :-(

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST,Sol
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 06:09 AM

Bottom line - it's his/their website and he/they can (and should) allow what he/they feel is acceptable.

Given the wide spectrum of views and vendettas that exist on this site, I would imagine it's a difficult & thankless task.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 06:12 AM

Would point out to the egregious Mr Bridge, in as moderate tone as I can achieve, that foolish insults are equally likely to be flung from any point on the political spectrum. By confining his comments to those on the right, while lefties are at least as liable to be culpable, he merely draws attention to his own intellectual limitations.

As to the thread topic: I should dearly love to believe that the mods are all models of absolutely objective rectitude; but must regretfully admit that it is sometimes a teeny bit difficult...

≈M≈

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 06:47 AM

Just before the thread closed, some troll (let's for the sake of argument call it Musket) calls a perfectly reasonable contributor (let's for the sake of argument call him me) Keith A Hole of Hertford, for no reason whatsoever and the moderators close the thread rather than delete the offensive hate post.

"pig" is a mild insult to those you habitually use Musket.
Likewise "anti-semite."

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:01 AM

Claiming that the Jews stole Arab land is an antisemitic libel.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:09 AM

Would I be correct to assume that most Moderators are American. If I am correct it would also seem to me that the politics of that nation tend towards what we in England would deem conservative, even their left-wing is more akin the our conservative party. Thus we have right-wing moderators moderating against people who they seem to consider as ultra-left. It is therefore inevitable that post by these people will be seen as undesirable and post will be deleted thus curtailing debate. Take this in addition to certain selected posters complaining vociferously of remarks by other posters and you end up with a neutered forum.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:36 AM

Thus we have right-wing moderators moderating against people who they seem to consider as ultra-left.

It is not the politics but the personal abuse that they react to.

Musket accused someone of being a child abuser earlier in that thread.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:36 AM

You Brits seem to be hung up on the tired, old left-right dichotomy. Chaining yourself to a dogma, at whichever end of the spectrum it may lie, makes for a simplistic view of the world. It's time you grew up and and started thinking for yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:48 AM

Just in case anyone does believe that the only abuse levelled at Steve was 'pig' here is the link to the actual post.

I would class Fuck off you antisemitic pig as something more than 'a mild insult'.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:49 AM

Yesterday, they kept deleting my posts in the 'Rolf Harris song' thread, in which I expressed my distaste for the desire of the OP and others to publish the lyrics in this form.

Why do they allow posts from people who wish to publicise a 'song' in which a convicted sex-offender verbally abuses the victim of his crimes, yet they delete posts from one who regards it as displaying a lack of decency to provide the oxygen of publicity for such stuff?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 07:50 AM

I haven't a clue about the thread you are on about KAOH. I have doubts as to whether Musket would actually claim any such thing though. As for personal abuse a good deal also seems to come from the right side of the forum, the only difference being that the left side do not seem to go running to the moderators each time someone puts something on which they find objectionable.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:08 AM

So, is an antisemite on the left or the right.......I'm confused.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:09 AM

if the mods are mainly a bunch of benign aging American folkie hippies...

maybe the lack of consistency in modding
depends on what they are smoking on any particular time of the day...??? 😜

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:18 AM

Dave, "Fuck off" is not an insult.
"Pig" is a very mild one.
"Anti-semite" is offensive, but is just a subset of "racist" which is often wrongly used by Musket and others.

Raggy, Musket did do that on the "genocide" thread as I said.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:20 AM

Musket - PM
Date: 13 Jun 15 - 03:17 PM

The anonymous guest, who may or not he BraidedBeardedBruce, completely misses the point.

My comments about a Jewish state and a Christian country are obviously way too high over the bar for his grasp.

If you can't comment intelligently, stick to child abuse. We had a "guest" who admitted to that once. Unless you show otherwise, it must have been you.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:22 AM

It is interesting that the Thread in Question was closed whilst leaving the "Fuck off you antisemetic pig" posted, when the penultimate post could easily have been deleted at the time of closure.

Go figure.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 08:42 AM

Insults are only insults when defined by Keith
Ethnic cleansing is only ethnic cleansing when defined by Keith
Historians are only historians when defined by Keith
Cultural implants are only cultural implants when defined by Keith

And from now on shit is to be known as sugar...

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 09:24 AM

Let me get this right. This was wrong "Musket accused someone of being a child abuser earlier in that thread" but it is OK for you to state "If you can't comment intelligently, stick to child abuse"

Have I missed something?

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 09:24 AM

We all know what ethnic cleansing means Dave, and no Palestinians have been cleansed out of Israel.
Jim made that up.
Ethnic cleansing reduces a population, as witness the Christians disappeared from the Arab lands including West Bank and Gaza.
The Palestinians in Israel are rapidly increasing and will become the majority in 50 years.

Jim lied and all you people tried to prop up the lie.
You failed.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 09:26 AM

Raggy, that was all Musket.
I posted his post in full without comment.

Subject: RE: BS: Thread deletion
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Jun 15 - 09:38 AM

Two points:

One: Nameless guest (let's call him by IP a Canadian) said Claiming that the Jews stole Arab land is an antisemitic libel. Get off of that tired old saw, guest, that is exactly what they did. Precisely what they did. And saying so isn't antisemitic. It's disagreeing with a political, not a religious stance.

Second: Stop looking at this as a right/left dichotomy. Look at this as "the insults have gone on long enough" and the thread is closed. Whoever happens to be the last one to post when someone in a moderator hat comes along to see the insults have taken over the thread gets the last word. Maybe. Sometimes the last couple of posts are deleted because they're too obnoxious. Sometimes the entire thread is made to disappear because what typically happens is the next person along who wants to rant finds they can't so they start a new thread.

Let's not have that happen here. Hands have been slapped for fighting. Give it up and find a reasonable discussion in which to to participate.

[I second the opinon and suggest that all concerned get away from complaining about moderators and look to their own habits as part of the problem. Some of us have lives to lead beyond checking on whether the bickering children have gone too far again.]