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Oldest song in the world

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Thompson 21 Jun 15 - 05:20 AM
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Subject: Oldest song in the world
From: Thompson
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 05:20 AM

A Sumerian hymn has been revealed as the first known music. Here it is.


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 06:32 AM

You mean "Wild Rover" isn't that old?


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 06:42 AM

Earlier Mudcat threads mentioning this:

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=50705

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=37322

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=156603

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=77353

http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=76585

There are at least two different transcriptions of the Hurrian Hymn and they sound completely unlike one another. One of them sounds a lot like "Merrily We Roll Along".


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: mayomick
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 11:27 AM

isn't "The Sheep's Farwell to the Mountain" supposed to be older?


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 01:36 PM

We may not know how exactly a song of 1400 BC sounded, but one thing is sure: in 1350 BC, people would say "They don't write 'em like that any more ..."


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: CapriUni
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 02:06 PM

It's clearly not the "oldest song in the world" -- just the oldest surviving fragments of melodic notation (that we have found, so far). Which is still pretty impressive.

Meanwhile, from what I've been able to gather (admittedly, not much -- I'm neither a dedicated scholar of music nor antiquities), the Seikilos Epitaph is the oldest combination of lyrics and musical notation that have been found together.


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 02:33 PM

I read many years ago, that they thought a Egyptian water-hauling song was the oldest song still known & used.


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: GUEST,Grishka
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 05:16 PM

the oldest song still known & used
- not a notion precise enough to satisfy, say, Guiness book standards. As we know here all too well, songs never stay the same in the sense writing does.

The "oldest" song is usually last year's ESC winner - beats Wild Rover by far!


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Mrrzy
Date: 21 Jun 15 - 08:44 PM

I would have thought the lullaby would be older than the hymn.


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 22 Jun 15 - 09:59 AM

Reminds me of that ancient (?) riddle:

Adam 'ad 'em. (Answer "Fleas")


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: CapriUni
Date: 22 Jun 15 - 01:55 PM

Mrrzy --

I absolutely agree.... Unless, maybe, you count the love song that resulted in the baby that needed the lullaby...

(...And this is the house that Jack built).

But the lullabies that are crooned by the cradle tend not to be recorded in formal notation until much later. Hymns, on the other hand, encode a nation's religious and/or political beliefs, and so get the honor of being pressed into clay tablets, and thus preserved for the ages.

On the other hand, since this music has no surviving lyrics, maybe it was a lullaby.


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Jun 15 - 02:31 PM

It does have lyrics. They're not very easy to make out but they are a hymn to the goddess Nikkal.

http://www.individual.utoronto.ca/seadogdriftwood/Hurrian/Website_article_on_Hurrian_Hymn_No._6.html


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Cool Beans
Date: 23 Jun 15 - 01:52 PM

"Let 'em all go to Hell -- except Cave 76!"
(Mel Brooks as the 2,000-year-old man)


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Gaffer
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 02:16 PM

The second oldest is "When i was young". I've a vague recollection that the oldest is "When Leadfingers was young"!

Gaffer


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 03:19 PM

Seamus Ennis used to relate that the Irish know that "Rocking the Cradle" was it: the old man lamenting that he has been left at home, "so sad and so weary at rocking the cradle and nursing the baby that's none of my own", being Joseph having been delegated by Mary to babysit the Infant Jesus.

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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 05:05 AM

Of course, scholars may yet determine that the Sumerian hymn actually is Wild Rover, which would make it the first verifiable example of the "folk process".


Jay


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 06:58 AM

Religious people and religions often claim some Hymn or such like. But of course music pre dates religion by centuries. But a first song, ha such a fact ever been recorded and wouldn't be near impossible to verify anyway?


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Subject: RE: Oldest song in the world
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 08:55 AM

Ancient songs, unlike the Sumerian hymn still very much familiar today:

(1) From the Egypt of Tutankhamun's dad:

The Sun, as God, is Aten,
Hip hip hip hooray!
The Sun, as God, is Aten,
And He's coming out to play!

(2) From those merchant adventurers of the Mediterranean, the Phoenicians, as the sun set in the mysterious West and they finally shipped the oars and rested their aching arms and backs:

Trireme goodnight,
Trireme goodnight,
Goodnight trireme,
Goodnight trireme,
I'll see you in my dreams.


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