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Subject: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:16 AM

I don't think we should. Or anyone who slouches about. Those with poor deportment are probably foreigners anyway and we have no room for them here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:23 AM

What about people with dirty shoes?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:30 AM

I am spending a lot of time in hospitals right now, and the many "foreigners" on the staff do not "slouch about" at all.
They are good people and dedicated workers.

I am very grateful for the care they give, though I feel guilty that we steal them from poor countries because it is cheaper than us paying to train them.

Is there room for more people to come here.
Yes.
It used to be said that every living person could physically be fitted on to the Isle of Wight.
England is already about the most densely populated country on Earth, and the population has just increased by the equivalent of another Leeds in just one year.

Obviously we have not built another Leeds, so the desperate shortage of houses, schools and hospitals gets worse every day.

Will you call me an obscene name again for this Dave?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 09:32 AM

England is already about the most densely populated country on Earth

The UK is 18th if you only count large countries. 51st if you count smaller states and dependencies.

And yes, I probably will. But when you least expect it...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 09:44 AM

How sad you are to have to resort to obscene name calling.
I left that behind with puberty.

This is what The Daily Telegraph said about our population.
They have more cred than you and never resort to naughty words.

"Beyond Europe, England's population density is among the highest in the world for major countries. England ranks third in density after Bangladesh (1,045 per sq km) and South Korea (498 per sq km)."

"The figures were obtained in a parliamentary answer from the Office of National Statistics.
In 2008 the average number of people per square kilometre in Britain was 253, rising to 395 in England.
Latest figures from Holland show that its population density was 395 a square kilometre in 2002 and 393 in 2005. It is estimated that English population density will rise to 464 people for every square kilometre by 2031.
The population density in England is already almost double the level in Germany and quadruple that in France.
The only country in the European Union with greater crowding is the tiny island of Malta, which only has 400,000 people, most of whom live around the port of Valletta.
England has taken its position as the most crowded country in Europe at a point when the risk of economic recession has led to growing concerns over diminishing numbers of jobs and pressure on public services."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/2967374/England-is-most-crowded-country-in-Europe.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 09:52 AM

And this is what sensible people have to say about that. No it isn't.

I suspect the Telegraph do not resort to 'naughty words' because they do not have to deal with you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:03 AM

Dave, Keith,
You are not discussing the same facts.
Dave's link discusses the population density of the UK, Keith's the population density of England.

I think we can agree that Scotland (with its highlands & islands) is less densly populated than England. This brings the figure for UK in at a lower density than for England alone.

Can we avoid and argument in which you may both be right in what you are stating, without the other, necessarily, being wrong?


"Seconds out, Round 2"


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:13 AM

Dave, I supplied that same link on the other thread.

It gives this ranking,
Bangladesh
The Palestinian territories
Taiwan
South Korea
The Netherlands
England.

Palestinian Territories are not any kind of country.
That is why the Telegraph ignored it.
Taiwan is a large city on a small island, and not considered a "major country."
The Netherlands were overtaken by us in population density years ago, so your link confirms the Telegraph's view that "Beyond Europe, England's population density is among the highest in the world for major countries. England ranks third in density after Bangladesh (1,045 per sq km) and South Korea (498 per sq km)."


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:40 AM

We should not discuss part of the UK as a separate entity, Nigel. It is misleading to do so as explained in the article I linked. It is a tactic favoured by little Englanders. Immigration is always UK wide. To try and represent it in any other way is dishonest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 10:55 AM

Nigel,
      Keith and the telegraph prefer to use the English figures it makes the problem seem so much more dramatic.
The majority use the less dramatic UK figures.
Upland Dartmoor and parts of the Yorkshire moors have a density of one or less per square km London has a density of many hundreds possibly thousands per square km.
Careful selection of statistics can give a very distorted picture.
Can I ring the bell for the next round?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:12 AM

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:30 AM
Is there room for more people to come here.
Yes.
So what's the problem Keith?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:13 AM

BTW - England has taken its position as the most crowded country in Europe

England is not a member state of the EU. The UK is. More manipulation of statistics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Vic Smith
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:18 AM

Have the two protagonists considered that considering that simple population density figures (area divided by population) might be meaningless?
Mauritania has only 3.77 people per sq. km. Wow! The place is virtually empty! The could afford to take many millions more.... except that the country is 100% Sahara desert.

Let's compare two countries whose are is comparable in size:-
At http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.POP.DNST it tells us that the density figures for Japan is 350 whilst for the UK it is 265. That makes Japan 1.32 times more crowded than the UK except that Japan has vastly larger areas of uninhabitable highlands compared with Britain.

Then as well as these two elements you have factor in the state of economic, industrial and agricultural development, climate and a whole range of other considerations before you can arrive at a figure for how many people a country can reasonably sustain.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:31 AM

"Dave, I supplied that same link on the other thread."
You appear to have moved from "most intensely populated in the world" to "second most" and now to seventh - getting nearer to the actual 52nd all the time - this time next year maybe.
Seems like yesterday you said - "Is there room for more people to come here. Yes."
My mistake, it was earlier today!!
You say that you are "spending a lot of time in hospitals right now"
Wonder why?
You have been given the researched figures and the warning of how they can be misused (by a Government official), yet you persist on claiming the misused figures presentthe true picture
Wonder why?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:32 AM

Keith A of Hertford may be quoting from The Daily Torygraph (which like any newspaper will lie and distort in order to push their particular agenda) but his timing is suspiciously in line with the plea from UKIP leadership to up the ante on this subject.

Forget The UK. England is not uniformly populated for starters. Any firgures are sheer nonsense.

The complaint UKIP, BNP and Keith have is based on a particular fallacy. Not the square footage of space available, but the drain on resources. As immigration consistently makes a posiitve contribution to the nation's coffers, and Nigel Farage and him with the wonky eye from BNP know this, the only reason they and Keith push this odious agenda, supported by the more extreme idiots in the Tory party is, like Keith's assertion that men of Pakistani origin are hardwired to rape white girls, just pigments of their odious imagination.

It's appalling that Mudcat is allowed to be a soapbox for extremists really..


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:34 AM

Yep - Well considered, Vic. Population density is indeed a red herring but as it was brought up here I thought I should debunk that myth before pointing out that it is irrelevant without the other factors you mention anyway.

So, how do we see this ending? All together now, There'll always be an England...

Recognise anyone in the clip?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 11:47 AM

Meaningless?
What are you all ranting about then?

I mentioned our population density as a throw away remark in a post about our tolerance.

The Lefty outrage was unexpected and hilarious!

Dave's lefty site, that I linked to first, shows England in fourth place if you count Taiwan.
The only disagreement with the Telegraph ranking is they did not count Taiwan as a "major country."

Third or fourth, it was still reasonable, as an aside, to say, "England is about the most densely populated country on earth."

Unless you count Taiwan it is third, otherwise fourth.

I have nothing more to add.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:01 PM

It was you that brought it up first, Keith. Even you cannot deny that. Then again you have tried worse. What is 'My lefty site' BTW? I have no editorial input to any at all so by calling anything 'my site' you are, once again, distorting the truth. It really is second nature to you isn't it.

And if you think that it is reasonable to extract England out of the UK for your purposes that how about we extract other 'nations within nations'. In that case Northern Rhine and Westphalia is far more densely populated. There are many other such tricks but the more honest amongst us do not use them.

But since you have nothing more to add, I welcome your departure. Now just go away.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:07 PM

England is part of the UK. It's not a country in its own right. Even so huge swathes of England are under populated.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:22 PM

Ooookay.

I mis-judged this one with my second posting on this thread.I sort of thought that DtG had started a tongue-in-cheek, vaguely humorous thread.

Apparently not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 12:58 PM

I had, KV, you need to look at the posting after yours to see where it all went wrong. You had not misjudged it at all but someone did.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:02 PM

SC, England is a nation, as is Scotland.

Dave, it is a left wing site and you linked to it, hence "Dave's lefty site."

It was you that brought it up first, Keith. Even you cannot deny that.

I acknowledged that Dave.
I said, "I mentioned our population density as a throw away remark in a post about our tolerance."

We are third, or fourth if you count Taiwan as a "major country."


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:04 PM

"as a throw away remark in a post about our tolerance"
It was no such hing - it was a distorted picture presented by the right-wing press purporting to show how Britain cannot take any more immigrants - that has always been your line and has never changed.
At one time, you took great pains to show how the immigration figures were the cause of Britain's housing shortage.
"The Lefty outrage was unexpected and hilarious!"
You must be joking - you have gone from thread to thread being opposed because of your extremism -
"Dave's lefty site, that I linked to first, shows England in fourth place if you count Taiwan."
No it doesn't - the officially researched figures show Britain to be 52nd in the denisty population league - you have the statistics and you have the reasons why the Telegraph and the Daily Mail are claiming otherwise.   
This chart show there to be 51 countries with a higher population density than The United Kingdom
density chart
Like mixed sex marriage, if you are in favour of it, why do you spend so much effort opposing it?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:13 PM

"mixed sex marriage"
Single sex marriage - of course
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:29 PM

I thought you had nothing more to add, Keith. Close the door on your way out.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:32 PM

Jim, you did link to the site, but only I quoted it.

It ranks England in fourth place if you count Taiwan.

The only disagreement with the Telegraph ranking is they did not count Taiwan as a "major country."

Third or fourth, it was still reasonable, as an aside, to say, "England is about the most densely populated country on earth."

And it was just an aside Jim.
The post was about our tolerance (!).


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:02 PM

"It ranks England in fourth place if you count Taiwan"
THer are 51 countries on the chart with a higher population density than the U.K. - am I missing something?
Quick sample from the top
Jim Carroll

Bahrain
1,647        1,701        1,734        1,753        

Bangladesh
1,161        1,174        1,188        1,203        

Barbados
652        655        659        662        

Belgium
361        365        368        369        

Bermuda
1,302        1,291        1,296        1,300        

Aruba
564        566        569        572


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:39 PM

You are missing something Jim.
Paragraph 3.

"England has a population of 51 million and a land mass of 50,000 square miles and this gives a population density of a little over 1,000 per square mile. Excluding islands, city states, and dependencies, this still places us behind
Bangladesh
The Palestinian territories
Taiwan
South Korea
The Netherlands
England"


Our population density overtook Netherlands some years ago and "Palestinian Territories" is not a country.

So, your site puts us fourth if you count the island of Taiwan, and third if you do not, both of which justify my original aside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM

Can I ask again - if you have no problem with immigration (past arguments show you clearly have), why are you putting such an effort into denigrating something you support?
You did exactly the same with single-sex marriage - "I'm for it", then two threadsworth of evidence to show you clearly weren't
Jim Carroll

Some more
Comoros
222        227        233        238        244        
Curacao
327        325        324        325        326        
El Salvador
258        262        266        270        274        
Grenada
283        284        286        289        292        
Guam
242        247        253        259        264        
aiti
258        263        269        274        279        
Hong Kong SAR, China
5,762        5,810        5,859        5,961        6,096


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:45 PM

You can ask again Jim.
I have no problem with controlled immigration and have never denigrated it.
I do believe the current rate is too high.
That is also the position of all our major parties including Lib.Dems. and Labour.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 02:56 PM

"I have no problem with controlled immigration and have never denigrated it."
You are doing so now by deliberately claiming that Britain is - what is it now - the 7th most overcrowded country in the world, when you have been shown interminably that it is 52nd.
Want any more statistics to ignore?
"I do believe the current rate is too high."
Of course you do - why would't you?
"That is also the position of all our major parties including Lib.Dems. and Labour."
You mean Tweedle-Dum, Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle Dumber? - couldn't squeeze a credit card between any of their policies.
Please don't quote politicians at me - you fell at that fence on the Israel thread with your "decent countries" argument.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:22 PM

You are doing so now by deliberately claiming that Britain is - what is it now - the 7th most overcrowded country in the world,

I have not claimed any such thing.
I said we were about the most densely populated country, and I have quoted the Daily Telegraph that says we are the third.

Your site says the same, except it counts in the island of Taiwan which would make us fourth.

I also support gay marriage and have never said a word against it.
You are making stuff up about me again Jim.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Sod cookies eat Jaffa cakes
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:30 PM

From Keith - "England is a country and its population density is {whatever, possibly a distortion.}

Yeah, and the population density of Cumbria is?

Hertfordshire is pretty rural too.

What is your point Keith? Pesky immigrants eh?

Disgusting.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:32 PM

"Your site says the same,"
How can you possibly go on claiming that?
You have been given 13 countries all with greater population densities so far and I've only reached H in the alphabet...
Unbelievable!
"You are making stuff up about me again Jim."
No I am not, nor do I.
Your determination to belittle the result of the Irish referendum is common knowledge.
Sorry Keith - not qualified to deal with this sort of thing - think you have to have some sort of training
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:35 PM

I am not making a point.
Just saying that England is about the most densely populated country.
It was a throw away remark.
An aside in a post about tolerance(!).

I did not expect all the howls of outrage from all the lefties.
That was a bonus!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:37 PM

Surely the question is not whether we are the ?th most populated country in the world, but whether or not we can accommodate more people?

A difficult question for me to answer personally, but I suspect that, with proper planning, our present 64.5 million could probably rise significantly without serious damage to the environment.

Stands back and waits for the firing squad.......


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 03:38 PM

Jim, I quoted you paragraph 3 from your site.
Here it is again.

"England has a population of 51 million and a land mass of 50,000 square miles and this gives a population density of a little over 1,000 per square mile. Excluding islands, city states, and dependencies, this still places us behind
Bangladesh
The Palestinian territories
Taiwan
South Korea
The Netherlands
England"


Our population density overtook Netherlands some years ago and "Palestinian Territories" is not a country.

So, your site puts us fourth if you count the island of Taiwan, and third if you do not, both of which justify my original aside.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 05:26 PM

Is it no wonder......

With no room to move about.....

..........................................................and so many alien servants..........................................................................................................................................................
.......................................The current issue of Time Magazine lists 61.8% of Brits being obese.

Source: "The Global Burden of Disease Study"

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Chance for a photo study....obviously obversely


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 05:58 PM

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 01:02 PM
It was you that brought it up first, Keith. Even you cannot deny that.

I acknowledged that Dave.
I said, "I mentioned our population density as a throw away remark in a post about our tolerance."

From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:30 AM


England is already about the most densely populated country on Earth, and the population has just increased by the equivalent of another Leeds in just one year.

Obviously we have not built another Leeds, so the desperate shortage of houses, schools and hospitals gets worse every day.

Hardly a throw away remark,looks more a thought out statement to me.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:02 PM

Guest 26 Jun 15 0102PM
was me, Pressed submit too soon


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 06:33 PM

Luckily I am feeling particularly happy having just come home from seeing Bellowhead. Must say that stage looked rather crowded and I did not think Keith would still be at it having said he had no more to say hours ago. Still, it the spirit of bon homie I will point out that he has never said the the UK is the nth most dense, Jim. He has constantly referred only to England. It is a well known ploy by 'kippers and other right wing loonies. Immigration is listed as UK wide. Population density is only in England. Makes it look worse than it actually is and, sadly, as we can see, people are still falling for it. It is pretty much like me referring to Grassington as being grossly overcrowded with incomers by quoting the number of people in the Marquee at the concert. Blatant misinformation for a political agenda. But I think we knew that already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 07:47 PM

'i did not expect all the howls of outrage from all the lefties'

nor did you get them, i have said nowt about your petty and pointless nonsense'

awhoooooooooooo!!!!!

unluckily i am feeling particularly unhappy after just returning from the john martyn gathering in hawes, n. yorkshire. should have gone to grassington.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jun 15 - 08:23 PM

"Jim, I quoted you paragraph 3 from your site."
Never mind the out-of-context quotes Keith - you have the actual figures which place Britain 52nd, as is quoted in at least three sites you you have been linked to
I've given you thirteen which exceed Britain's 265 - would you like me to put up the other 39?
Always happy to oblige.
You "support" immigration like the rope "supports" the hanged man.
This is now getting grotesque.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,The cookie crumbles..
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 03:11 AM

Oh well, in that case... I write from my tent at Glastonbury. Florence was on form last night.

Dave is on the button when he says using England figures for The UK is a ploy. According to an article a while ago in The Guardian, UKIP candidates were briefed on using England when running for UK seats ie Westminster.

Shouting down reality by referring to people as "lefties" meanwhile is a known BNP tactic.

What a cosmopolitan contributor we are honoured to "debate" with...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 04:10 AM

Now, Glastonbury, there is another thing. Good example of how us poor English are treated. England is getting so crowded we have to live in tents with poor sanitation and are subjected to loud music night and day. While these Johnny come latelys live it up in their 10 to a room fancy ex-council apartments. It's an outrage.

:-P


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 04:47 AM

Dave, I said I had nothing to add and I have added nothing, but to respond to all the demands of all the other lefties I had to reiterate the same stuff all over again.
Sorry, take it up with them.

I happened to say originally, in a post about our tolerance, that England is about the most densely populated country.
It is.
It is third (or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan).

Are you done with all the howls of lefty indignation and outrage?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:03 AM

"Are you done with all the howls of lefty indignation and outrage?"
When you have done with your rabid right attempts to demonise immigration
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:26 AM

I have not mentioned immigration once Jim.

Guardian two days ago,

"Population growth was the greatest in southern and eastern England, at 1.08% and 0.92% respectively. London had the highest growth, with population in the capital up 1.45%, a result of 82,400 more births than deaths and the highest net international migration of all regions at 107,400.

The estimated population of England as of mid-2014 was 54.3 million, up 0.84%; Scotland was 5.3 million, up 0.37%; Wales was 3.1 million, up 0.31%; and Northern Ireland was 1.8 million, up 0.59%. No country of the UK or region of England witnessed population decline."

"Simon Ross, the chief executive of Population Matters, the UK's leading charity working on population and sustainability issues, said the ONS estimates were a warning of the urgency of attempting to to reduce population growth.

"We are all affected adversely by the rapid population growth of recent decades," Ross said. "Examples include pressure on housing and public services to the environment and climate change. It's time we addressed the population problem, and find ways to live sustainably and happily in the long-term."
http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jun/25/uk-population-at-record-high-with-net-migration-the-biggest-driver


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:31 AM

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/mar/06/englands-migrant-population-increased-by-565000-in-three-years-study


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:31 AM

Original Thread
Deporting poorly paid nurses

New thread
Paying nurses with poor deportment

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1.   a joke exploiting the different possible meanings of a word or the fact that there are words which sound alike but have different meanings.

"the Railway Society reception was an informal party of people of all stations (excuse the pun) in life"

synonyms:        play on words, wordplay, double entendre, double meaning, innuendo, witticism, quip;

To continue in jocular mode see if you can solve this surprisingly accurate anagram -

Foe herd thiko fart

:D tG


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:48 AM

I'm a leftie and I'm bloody proud of it. Oddly, "righties" often take umbrage when called what they are. I'm on the far left, Keith, and you're on the far right. Yeah, that sounds good...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 06:12 AM

"I have not mentioned immigration once Jim."
This has always been about immigration - housing, overcrowding, 'the enemy within'...
You have always made your position cleat, even though you are now desperately backpeddling by (somewhat mind-bogglingly) claiming to have nothing against it.
You are still trawling the net for quotes opinions.
Immigration always surfaces as an issue around an election - it is what keeps the right in office - it is the raison d'être of parties like the BNP and Ukip - your arguments echo theirs perfectly
You are of the extreme right and now you have made your "leftie" accusations, you have guaranteed closure of this thread - your intention, no doubt.
Whatever the politics of people here, yours is the only argument that is politically driven, virtually all your opponents' arguments are simple common sense backed up by documented facts (anot forgetting humanitarianism, somewhat missing from your outlook on life
Your claims don't add up - they are contradicted by all the data you have been given - even the 'Man From the Ministry' has said that there is plenty of room in Britain and immigration is to be welcomes (whatever your politicians say.
You have no case, you never had one - now if you are not prepared to discuss this honestly (you could start by stating your obvious objection to immigration) leave it to those who are
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 06:30 AM

Or maybe "herd thiko foe fart"?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 07:25 AM

I am centre right Steve.
Mainstream.
You will find no far right statements or comments in any post of mine.
You lie about me.

Jim, you people keep mentioning immigration but I have never raised the issue at all, and "rabid right attempts to demonise immigration " is just more made up slanders Jim.
I have never done it.


I happened to say originally, in a post about our tolerance, that England is about the most densely populated country.
It is.
It is third (or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan).

That is my whole case.
Are you done with all the howls of lefty indignation and outrage?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 07:38 AM

Rule changes again I see. The list of things that have to be defined by Keith gets longer every thread. To date the list of things that can only be defined by him is

Cultural implants
Historians
Ethnic cleansing
Insults
Political leanings
Population density

I am sure I have missed some but I can't keep up with this redefinition game all the time. Sorry.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 08:37 AM

I love to proudly howl my far-leftie indignation at you, Keith, and regard it as a compliment when you recognise it as such. But if you're "centre-right" I'm the Queen of Sheba. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 08:40 AM

Population density is very clearly defined and easy to understand Dave, and it is not "defined by Keith."

It is population divided by area.

I said that England is about the most densely populated country.
It is.
It is third (or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan).

That is my whole case.
Are you done with all the howls of lefty indignation and outrage?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 08:41 AM

"I have never raised the issue at al"
Yes you have - you raised it on the thread about housing shortages and you are raising it now - this subject is about defending the deportation of immigrant nurses and you are defending it on the basis that Britain is overcrowded.
In the past, you have accused Asian immigrants being a 'cultural' threat to Britain's security.
It's all about immigration and immigrants - and your views are far from "mainstream".
Many of them contravene British law - members of Ukip have been forced to resign following slips in which they made statements far less extreme than yours.
Even the B.N.P. since it embarked on efforts to be regarded as a serious parliamentary contender, no longer make public statements as extreme as yours.
You complain of being insulted, yet you accuse those who disagree with you of being "liars" and Muppets" and "dupes"
Whenever you are in trouble, you turn on people and accuse them of being 'lefties' (as now)
Personally, I have no problem with that - I only have to remember that it was right-wing German ndustrial capitalism that shipped sx million Jews off to the Nazi extrmiation units.
I have no political allegiances - just views on humanity - if that makes me a "leftie", maybe I should reconsider and join something!!
No doubt this argument will get yet another thread closed, but I would suggest to those in charge that, given the extremism of your views, nobody can reasonably expect there not to be a strong rection to them - especially as they are now a regular feature of your input to this forum.
It seems we are beig left with the alternaives of putting up with your extreme statements or have thread after thread closed - hardly democratic
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 08:42 AM

But if you're "centre-right" I'm the Queen of Sheba.

OK Your Majesty, find one far right statement or comment made by me.
Good luck with that O Queen.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 08:46 AM

this subject is about defending the deportation of immigrant nurses and you are defending it on the basis that Britain is overcrowded.

Another lie Jim.
I spoke against their deportation in my very first post to the original thread.

I later said that England is about the most densely populated country.
It is.
It is third (or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan).

That is my whole case.
Are you done with all the howls of lefty indignation and outrage?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 09:50 AM

I'm not. :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 09:58 AM

"Another lie Jim."
Will you stop calling people liars.
"I later said that England is about the most densely populated country"
If anything is a lie - this is
The statistics you have been given make it the 52nd - you have had 13 examples which exceed British numbers so far.
The fact that you keep repeating your "about the most densely populated" nonsense in the face of the figures you have been given (on a thread about deporting foreign nurses)makes your attitude to immigration crystal clear
If you don't agree with the figures you have been given, say so instead of calling people liars
It relly doesn't make your case for you
26 Jun 15 - 02:02 PM   - 26 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 09:59 AM

Yet another lie, Keith. I have not howled. Indignantly or in any other way. The point I am making, as I am sure you well know, is that you cannot compare immigration to the UK with the density of only one part of it. I think it is time for that obscene name but I cannot think oof one bad enough at the moment.

Now, you promised you had nothing to add some time back. Bearing in mind that this thread is supposed to be an attempt at humour, albeit feeble at times, do you think you could do the decent thing and just fuck off?

And before you start on that, you said yourself that phrase was not an insult.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 10:00 AM

"I spoke against their deportation in my very first post to the original thread."
Lip service Keith - you have spent the bulk of your postings showing that immigration is a bad thing.
" later said that England is about the most densely populated country."
The data you have been given prove that it is the 52nd - the fact thatyou continue


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 10:08 AM

Jim, to be fair, Keith has never said that the UK is one of the most dense. Just England. He is right about that but you could of course continue that trend by taking London out of England, which would then make England pretty sparse. As someone once said, there are lies, damned lies and statistics.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 10:10 AM

I'd settle just for taking Boris Johnson out of London.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 10:48 AM

whoops - premature ejaculation again
the fact that you continue to put up false claims of overpopulation makes yous attitude clear
If you have any problem with where Britain lies in the overcrowding league acoording to the figures you have been given, (26 Jun 15 - 02:02 PM ) and (26 Jun 15 - 02:41 PM ) feel free to disprove them - otherwise, they are what they say they are and you have no case.
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 11:11 AM

"Just England."
"England" doesn't feature in the charts - it's part of the U.K. (pretty sure somebody has pointed that out).
The daily Telegraph which associated overpopulation with immigration contains a link to a report by the Department of Statistics figures on which their claims are based - that report makes no mention of "immigration" as being the root cause of overpopulation - that is a "Telegrahism".
As has already been pointed out, Britain's population problems are based mainly around the South Eastern cities and are tracable directly back to how British policy works - the impoverishment of the areas outside of the Greater London 'Pale, which forced many Northerners 'like me' to fly south for work - any overcrowding there is, is where the jobs are - Thatcher's North-South divide has made that a permanent feature of British life
The link to the article from the Government employee, welcoming immigration as beneficial to Britain deals with this and warns of the deliberate misuse of superficial claims withot analysing them.
Here we have the ludicrous situation of nurses in vital, life-saving jobs, separately understaffed, under the threat of deportation   
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 11:24 AM

England exists.
I linked to Guardian articles about England's population growth.
The lefty site Jim and Dave linked to ranks England as among the most densely populated countries.
The Telegraph also described England as such.

I said that England is about the most densely populated country.
It is.
It is third (or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan).

That is my whole case.
What do you people deny?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 11:45 AM

Office For National Statistics.

"In mid-2013 the population density of England was 413 people per sq km compared with 149 people per sq km in Wales and 135 people per sq km in Northern Ireland. Scotland has the lowest population density at 68 people per sq km."


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 11:50 AM

Please can anyone tell me why, on reading this thread and the previous one, now closed, a quotation attributed to Joseph Gobbels often comes to mind? I'm referring to the one that goes -
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 12:06 PM

Vic, you're not suggesting KAOH lies are you. He's told us often enough he does'nt lie so it must be true.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 12:09 PM

"Office For National Statistics."
And if you go into those figures you will find that the most densely overpopulated ares are those where the jobs are concentrated - in the South East - nothing to do with emigration - everything to do with deliberate Government policy of centring Britain's wealth around the capital and keeping the provinces impoverished - Thatcher's North/South divide.
In order to divert from this, rags like the Telegraph, Mail and Express blame immigration on the situation, even the civil servants responsible for monitoring population affairs recognise the valuable contribution made by immigrants.
As I pointed out, your Telegraph article blames immigration, yet the link it gives to the source of its information does not mention the subject.
As much as you may wish otherwise, England is part of the United Kingdom - the United Kingdom comes 52nd in the overcrowding league and any overcrowding there is is around the South East
Perhaps you'd like to suggest that England secedes from the Union and runs her own affairs - as things stand, statistically, she is regarded no differently than Birmingham
SOME MORE STATISTICS WHERE ENGLAND OR the UK DOESN'T FEATURE
"What do you people deny?"
We deny that immigration has anything to do with overpopulation WHICH IS WHAT THIS DISCUSSION IS ABOUT
Do you have a problem with that fact?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 12:10 PM

There is a Scotsman in Fotheringay, I am very glad he was in the country last week, just waiting for the gig recordings!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 12:59 PM

Now you accuse me of lying!
The figures do not lie.
ONS give the population density of England as 413 per sq. km.
Why would they lie?
That makes England the third most densely populated, or fourth if you count the island of Taiwan.
No lie.

Jim, I have not discussed "overpopulation" or immigration, just stated that England is about the most densely populated country, and it is.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 01:13 PM

While we're at it Keith, perhaps we should clear up your "support for the nurses from the very beginning"
What you said was that it was wrong to deport them but it was more wrong that they should leave their own countries in the first place" - ie, they should have stayed where they were.
The vast majority of these people are refugees and economic migrants - many from countries left in economic and political turmoil when the British Empire collapsed.
People travel all over the world to get a better life for themselves - a fact of basic humanity
It is calculated that 4.6 million Britons live and work abroad.
33,733 Britons live in Hong Kong - one of the most overcrowded places on the planet
If it is "wrong" for immigrants to leave home and come to "overcrowded" Britain, it is just as "wrong" that Britons should work abroad.
According to your Daily Telegraph today, Britons are leaving home to live abroad at the rate of 400 per day.
MIGRATION FROM BRITAIN
"Wrong" or what?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 01:16 PM

"just stated that England is about the most densely populated country, and it is"
Parts of England, Government plicy, nothing to do with immigration - you have tried to make it such on a thread about deporting foreign nurses
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 01:34 PM

•        I have gone by the World Bank figures that I linked to above rather than using what newspapers laughingly call statistics. I think that an independent body is less likely to present distorted figures
•        I have cut and paste the entire 212 'states' that they have identified into an Excel document.
•        I have then arranged them according to density of population
•        Rather than producing the entire 200+ figures I have only reproduced the figures up to where we get to United Kingdom at no. 42
•        Assuming that ONS give the population density of England as 413 per sq. km is accurate, that would place England in 22nd place – Just below India'
•         The figures:-
Macao SAR, China
18,001        18,270        18,622        18,942        
Monaco
18,423        18,631        18,790        18,916        
Singapore
7,252        7,405        7,589        7,713        
Hong Kong SAR, China
6,690        6,735        6,814        6,845        
Bahrain
1,647        1,701        1,734        1,753        
Malta
1,295        1,301        1,311        1,323        
Bermuda
1,302        1,291        1,296        1,300        
Bangladesh
1,161        1,174        1,188        1,203        
Sint Maarten (Dutch part)
1,113        1,132        1,150        1,167        
Maldives
1,086        1,107        1,128        1,150        
West Bank and Gaza
633        652        672        693        
Barbados
652        655        659        662        
Mauritius
616        617        619        620        
St. Martin (French part)
556        563        569        575        
Aruba
564        566        569        572        
San Marino
514        517        521        524        
Korea, Rep.
508        512        514        516        
Netherlands
493        495        497        498        
Rwanda
439        452        464        477        
Lebanon
424        428        433        437        
India
405        411        416        421        
Puerto Rico
420        416        412        408        
Burundi
360        372        384        396        
Comoros
367        376        386        395        
Haiti
359        364        369        374        
Israel
352        359        366        372        
Belgium
361        365        368        369        
Japan
351        351        350        349        
Curacao
335        340        343        346        
Philippines
313        319        324        330        
Tuvalu
328        328        329        329        
Sri Lanka
329        333        324        327        
Grenada
308        309        310        311        
El Salvador
300        302        304        306        
Guam
295        298        302        306        
St. Lucia
291        294        297        299        
Virgin Islands (U.S.)
304        302        301        299        
Marshall Islands
291        292        292        292        
Vietnam
280        283        286        289        

St. Vincent and the Grenadines
280        280        280        280        
American Samoa
278        276        276        276        
United Kingdom
259        261        263        265        
•        Perhaps we can draw a line under this now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 01:44 PM

Jim and Dave's far-left site, and presumably the Telegraph, excluded " islands, city states, and dependencies"

In any fair comparison, England is 3rd, or fourth if you include the island of Taiwan.

Does that make both sources liars?
You may not like the Telegraph's right wing editorial position, but it is a respected source.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 02:08 PM

What this whole debate proves to me at least is by pick and mix of facts and figures it is possible to prove just about anything.
Pick your own rules and discount the things that do not fit the picture you wish to paint.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 02:19 PM

Nice try Vic, but I don't think that little things like facts are going to stop what's happening here.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 02:46 PM

by pick and mix of facts and figures it is possible to prove just about anything.

Spot on.

Apparently around half the population of Hertford has a lower than average IQ.

That could explain a lot :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 02:53 PM

Dave                  ;-)          !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 02:55 PM

That's an insult to Hertfordshire! I'll have you know that around half the population has a higher than average I.Q. Get your facts right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 03:15 PM

"Jim and Dave's far-left site, and presumably the Telegraph, excluded " islands, city states, and dependencies" "
What "far left site would that be?
My information comes from:
Internet World Stats, Wiki...... and other neutral bodies.
If you can find a politically motivated quote from a politically motivated site - feel free to point it out.
I avoid quoting from "far left sites (or Arab sites) because I know damn well that you would use it as a diversion - as you are now.
"In any "fair comparison", England is 3rd, or fourth if you include the island of Taiwan."
"fair comparison" means one that backs up your claim - I presume?
Your Daily Telegraph quote falls neatly int two parts - one that England is overpopulated, the other that this is caused by immigration (the headline)
The linked report in the article does not mention emigration - that is all the management's own handiwork.
All of the charts I have been able to find include England in with the United Kingdom - every single on, left, right and centre.
May not suit Little Britons, but there you go - I (and the man from the ministry) say there is plenty of room to cope with immigrants in Britain and they tend to be a benefit when they come.
You now have the 'leftie' World Bank figures which, without counting, places the U.K. 52nd in the world league.
Overpopulation in England is centred around the 'employment belt' and has nothing to do with immigrants, who have become scapegoats for politicians who are able to or care about doing something about it
Try responding to facts rather than hiding behind accusations of 'leftie' - might work wonders for your case.
I ask again, are all those 4.6 million Britons living abroad "wrong" as you clai the nurses are for coming to Britain in the first place - the world really does need to know so it can mend its ways!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 03:22 PM

Kampervan,

That's a very rash claim, surely it would depend on how far above or low the average intelligence a given number of people were.

Cheers

Raggytash

Mean, mode, median !!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Overcrowded Glastonbury
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 04:43 PM

Density? The most dense in England appears to be Keith.

Centre right? That denotes mainstream.   I wouldn't call Keith, Farage or Griffin mainstream myself like.

By the way prat. If someone gives an opinion, they cannot by definition be liars. If you must bandy insults all day, at least try to avoid howlers that make anybody sympathetic to your views squirm.

Not that I can see any on Mudcat.

Not ones whose opinions are useful anyway eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 05:41 PM

Careful Raggy, you're in danger of introducing a fact-based argument into this.

I didn't mean what I said, I was just contradicting someone else.

Isn't that what we're supposed to do?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 06:08 PM

You could not have wished for a better nurse (from Bulgaria) that my wife had in The Wellington after her knee replacement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 06:17 PM

You could not have wished for a better nurse (from Ghana) that my wife had in The Wellington after her hip replacement.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Vic Smith
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 06:18 PM

Well - not the Wellington.....


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Raggytash
Date: 27 Jun 15 - 07:18 PM

Not a bad pub, the Wellington. I occasionally have the odd pint or two there myself.



I'll get me coat, shall I............................


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST, I wake early under cavass
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 02:51 AM

The Wellington? The beer makes for decent anaesthesia.

The last time I was admitted, I was bed blocking all the way till last orders.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 04:32 AM

This is more like it :-)

Do nurses in wellingtons have better deportment?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 04:49 AM

I always thought that hospitals were divided into wards not deportments.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:15 AM

I too am grateful to the nurses of every origin for the wonderful care they give.
I am seeing a lot of it just now.

Re population, if you make a meaningful comparison of similar states, England is about the most populated.
As I said.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:20 AM

I am very grateful to all those who contribute light-hearted comments true to the spirit in which this thread was started.

I'm not seeing enough of them at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:26 AM

Indeed, Kampervan. Let us ignore those trying to derail it :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:35 AM

The Wellington Hospital!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 05:37 AM

De-rail? Surely the pubco's are not trying to take over the railways. The costs of tickets will go up, you mark my words and stations will close because landlords won't be able to make a profit. It'll all end in tears. They'll have to go into nursing, if they can walk straight.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 06:37 AM

Ooops that should have also read 100. By the way Congratulations Dave for managing to keep the thread going despite the usual idiots.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 06:39 AM

The Wellington Hospital!

Wow, all that just to repair a few wellies. Must be for those expensive ones that don't have steel toecaps.
You can't deport properly in steel toecaps


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:08 AM

Why would anyone want to deport steel toecaps? I think that is just elementism!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:15 AM

Elementalism !!! Get Holmes on the case


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:17 AM

You could be right. My kettle is very elemental,that's what gives it a low centre of gravity.
That makes it easy to balance of your head when you're practising deportment.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:18 AM

Sorry, guest above was me in my cookieless elemental ethereal persona


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:19 AM

Does that give you water on the brain


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:23 AM

No!!!!

That's a tap on the head. boom boom

And with that I'm away for my lunch


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 07:40 AM

KV that's plumb crazy


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 08:21 AM

"that's plumb crazy"
You's wonder that anybody could sink so low!!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 08:34 AM

You's wonder that anybody could sink so low!!

Jokes like that could drive a man round the U-bend


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 08:39 AM

I admit, it is plumbing the depths - must clean up my act
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 10:48 AM

So you should Jim.
This is a punny thread.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 11:03 AM

A joke's a joke, but this is insanitry
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 11:14 AM

Perhaps we should issue an Elf warning


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 12:04 PM

Sorry - had to get it out of my cistern
Will pipe down now
Jim carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Raggytash
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 12:17 PM

Probably flushed with sucess


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 03:13 PM

Bidet as it may, I think we should stop, cock!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 03:47 PM

Don't talk to me about elf and safety. I may just gnome home...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 04:04 PM

I fail to see what the connection is between nurses with poor deportment and plumbers.

Is it a push fit, a Yorkshire, or a simple soldered capillary?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Wet & merry, on way home
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 06:28 PM

Plenty of elf warnings. Usually about selective deletion of threads based on their opinion rather than moderation.

As we are plumbing the depths, you might get water in your Wellington, and by the process of osmosis, you end up with cold toeses.

Nurse will rub it better.

Ooohhhh. Matron!

You'd think, what with England being so sparsely populated, we'd have run out of jokes by now?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Ripov
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 08:57 PM

If (Keith A of Hertford - 27 Jun 15 - 01:44 PM ) the Telegraph, excluded " ISLANDS.....", what the hell is the UK doing in the list?

God said "go forth and multiply
And spread throughoutb the land".
But we've multiplied so [exceptionally] much
There's 'ardly room to stand.

And regarding the nurses -
"I warrant they'll prove an excuse for the glass".


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 28 Jun 15 - 10:49 PM

Well I think that we should pay nurses with pounds same as everyone else.
Never yet found a shop that takes poor deportments or even offers an exchange rate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Back home with a cold
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 03:02 AM

I bet they'll be accepting poor deportment as currency or barter in Greece by now.

It's only 8.00am and already I've debugged the dog and emailed the BBC news desk to tell them that contrary to what they put on a story today, the royal college of physicians does not represent the 30,000 hospital doctors. It doesn't represent any doctors if we get picky about it, and neither do the other five colleges....

The moral? Laugh at those who cut and paste from websites claiming they always get it right so you must be a liar.

Remind you of anyone?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 06:29 AM

This thread was in my opinion started to provoke an argument.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 06:42 AM

You are entitled to your opinion, Dick. Wrong a it may be.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 06:49 AM

Remind you of anyone?

No.
And I know you could not provide an example.

Dave, I found the OP provocative, intended or not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:01 AM

Damn, speak of the devil and he's sure to appear.

Anyone can take offense at anything. Doesn't mean they are right.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:02 AM

But there again you find everything (except the Mail, Express, Telegraph) provocative.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:11 AM

"This thread was in my opinion started to provoke an argument."
I belive the thread was started to continue the thread that was (IMO) deliberately sabotaged because the main objector couldn't make any headway
Whyever Dave stated it, it's nobody else's business - one of the rights of membership
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:24 AM

Dick's just like me. He never ever provokes arguments. Right, Dick? :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:25 AM

just when we were all having a bit of a laugh, as the OP intended, along come the spoilers who can't stand anything that isn't centred on an argument with them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:33 AM

Shame we don't have a like post feature, KV. It would be on yours :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:35 AM

Does taking the piss out of a spoiler count as being a spoiler, Kampervan, or does accusing people of being spoilers make one a spoiler too?

Yours sincerely, Confused of Tunbridge Wells.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:49 AM

Just as an idea lads, why don't we ignore the wazzocks and carry on with the silliness we been enjoying. If we're lucky they may go away.

Back to the Nurses ...........


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 07:56 AM

Is it ok to be silly AND a wazzock?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:10 AM

Whatever your little heart desires Steve!!

Back to the nurses who can't walk properly. Do you think it would help if we bought them new shoes??


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:13 AM

Probably. Wellies certainly do not help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:23 AM

I am sure Dick's home page used to have a picture of him wearing wellies. The current version shows rigger boots though. Maybe they are better?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:23 AM

Those old Dr Scholl sandals were supposed to be good for your feet, but they'd make too much noise on the ward floors. Maybe slippers would be better?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:25 AM

A lot seem to wear Crocs now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Will Fly
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:31 AM

Never worn crocs - just love my "Alligator Shoes And My Rhythm'n Blues"...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 08:32 AM

Tried to buy some Crocs for my grandson the other week. Went all round Canterbury, no-one seems to be selling them now.

Someone said it to do with them going out of fashion, but I think its all about this trade in endangered species which means that all ivory is now 2000 years old.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 11:54 AM

As long as it is not more than 6000 years old. We don't want to offend creationists...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 12:07 PM

oh yes you do, dave, in the absence of a good argument !


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 01:36 PM

What is that supposed to mean do you think?

Oh well, back to the thread. Didn't Jimmy Nail sing something about Alligator shoes? Maybe nails in shoes don't help deportment either.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 01:40 PM

"oh yes you do, dave, in the absence of a good argument !"
There is no argument against mysticism - it's all in God's hands
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 02:00 PM

Peter,

Can I suggest, as I have already done on this thread, that Dave started it as a little piece of nonsense. Any attempt to make it serious is, I think unwelcome. The comments of certain individuals have tried to make it erroneously sensible.

Now, can we get back to nurse with poor deployment.

:-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 02:17 PM

"Now, can we get back to nurse with poor deployment."
Actually, it's "poor deportment" - must stick to the topic.
Not sure Dave ever statedwhy he opened it, which leaves it - well - open!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 02:39 PM

Nothing wrong with deploying Nurses Jim


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 02:55 PM

Aha!! Congratulations Dave on reaching 150, is this a record.

I know if some was born in 33 in 78 they would be 45 and that must be a record.

Anyway, back to the deployment of Nurses.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 03:08 PM

"Nothing wrong with deploying Nurses Jim"
Indeed not - my curse on those who are deporting them.
Thought you were complaint about thread drift - as I said, this one is about "deportment" not "deployment, as you desired us to get "back to"
Me - I don't mind one way or the other - I'll talk about anything - even plumbing
You wanna hear me on electrics - a real live-wire!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 29 Jun 15 - 05:40 PM

A real live wire? Are you sure that is current, Jim? You don't want to sell yourself short! I could just go ohm to my vault...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Hattie Jaques
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 03:01 AM

Not on my wards they don't!

Stiletto heels and stockings only.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Hattie Jaques
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 03:04 AM

Oh, and I was talking with Jimmy Edwards earlier. He thought it excellent when using his nom de plume up the thread, asked if something reminded us of anyone.

The cap seemed a too a good a fit to keep quiet. 😆


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Kampervan
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 03:34 AM

Yes, but those stockings and stilettos cause so much noise, don't they. Mainly the sound of male jaws hitting the floor.

Fairly stops the patients sleeping and does their blood pressure no good at all.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 03:42 AM

"I could just go ohm to my vault..."
Watt are you doing Dave - you seem to be heading for another circuit - are you trying to conFUSE things by transforming the subject?
Socket to 'em
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:05 AM

...and as for plumbing, well, I think you must be clean around the bend. Have you ever tried tap dancing or would you not sink so low?

Ah well, must solder on...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:25 AM

yeh fine raggy , but a mocking jibe merited a relative response. and if no one brings the subject up, neither will I. have fun.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:36 AM

What mocking jibe was that Pete? The one where I quite genuinely said we did not want to offend creationists or the one where you suggested, incorrectly, that I did?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 10:57 AM

"Ah well, must solder on.."
Wire you doing this Dave?
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 11:00 AM

It's a sort of illness, Jim. I need to keep well insulated and hope it isn't terminal.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 11:17 AM

Fraid you're going to have to try harder - you appear to be a bit of an armature (just winding you up!)
Try putting up more resistance
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 11:22 AM

I think I have been beaten. Guess I just will have to switch the subject...


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 12:47 PM

I'd like to help but I conduit
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 01:45 PM

Sorry Pete, you've lost me which mocking jibe was that?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 02:25 PM

Is a mocking jibe when you bring the boat around and stick your tongue out?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 05:18 PM

Without wishing to get this thread deleted, does anyone know who won?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 30 Jun 15 - 07:12 PM

On the balance of probability Dave .......... I think you did.

WELL DONE!!!!!


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 08:13 AM

"Without wishing to get this thread deleted, does anyone know who won?"
Does it matter - it was good fun.
Perhaps we can have a rematch on the musical threads - 'Folk foods' - "The Dowie Dens of Marrow, or Folk Animals "Terrapin Hero".
Great diversion on long car journeys
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 08:17 AM

Thanks Jim - It was good indeed. The win I was referring to may not be the one you think though but I cannot go into further details without risking adverse reaction :-( I think Raggy knows what I am on about.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 08:40 AM

Spoiler due any second now!!`


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Cookie jar empty again
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 11:56 AM

Nurses can't have poor deportment anyway.

Apparently, the country is so crowded, you have to stand fully upright in order to fit.

It must be true. I read it in The Hertfordshire Mercury...





You were saying?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 01 Jul 15 - 03:01 PM

Ah well, since Dave the gnome insists he was utterly sincere in not making a mocking remark we shall have to let it drop. Mentioning 6000 yrs and creationists therefore seems irrelevant , but may hap he had reasons that are unbegnome to me ! .


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Rt Rev Musket
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 04:07 AM

No matter pete. I'll do some mocking if it keeps you happy.

Creationism?
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

Ignoring the evidence?
😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆

Filling the heads of children with stupid medieval concepts?
😥


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 12:23 PM

like I said , mock on , in the absence of a sensible argument .....


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 06:06 PM

Didn't David Essex sing a song called Mock On?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jul 15 - 07:04 PM

It can't have been Rock On, because rocks are millions of years old. Perhaps pete has a theory about gaping gill and how it was formed then?

pete. You can't have sensible arguments with loonies. I can't argue for your silliness any more than I can argue for the Star Trek federation having affiliation status at The UN.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 03 Jul 15 - 12:05 PM

Yeh, we know they are millions of years old because of the dating methods. In fact we know that, even if they have only just formed !. We also know it because they give different dates for different methods, but being as the results are always interpreted as being millions of years old....one of them must be right....right !.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Pissing meself laughing
Date: 03 Jul 15 - 01:57 PM

It takes longer than the time given in the bible that the universe existed for water to get from The Mendip Hills to Bath spa water. Despite a distance of about 20 miles.

That's possibly number 2,987,345 out of 9,999,999,999 reasons the bible and any other superstition is talking nonsense.

I have no issue in indulging you pete, but ever thought that every now and then, the grown ups want to talk seriously?

Just think, if they wrote the bible now, it would be about 13 billion years according to the word of God. If real people modified that in the future, some pillocks would still cling to the 13 billion years God told them..


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,achmelvich
Date: 03 Jul 15 - 02:16 PM

i was at the national museum in chambers street edinburgh 5 years ago and watched a very interesting film about the universe and how it started. they said it began with the big bang 13.7 billion years ago. however, when i went back last year it was still saying the same figure - with no adjustment for the intervening 4 years. and they are supposed to be scientists! clearly we cannot trust their dating system to be accurate so it must just be guesswork - ie they don't know. this is all the proof we need for the existence of a creator god.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 05:00 AM

Good point, Achmelvich.;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 05:04 AM

...and talking about water, how come this spring water that has spent millions of years filtering through rock has a best before date? More proof of something. But I'm not sure what :-)


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 10:13 AM

That one's easy Dave, the plastic bottles it is sold in are crap.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Musketypoos
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 10:21 AM

Maybe Jesus has gone past his sell by date?

I only buy organic science from Waitrose.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,pete from seven stars link
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 02:58 PM

well, achmelvich, did they say how they arrived at that figure, or did you just accept it by faith.
funny thing about your missing 4 yrs. creationists have been saying 6000 yr for a few years. but maybe it's not them that are so guilty of literalism !.
probably not them either, that evade the evidence .....
neither is it usually creationists that have to resort to the fallacy of argument by mockery.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Musket sans hobnob
Date: 04 Jul 15 - 04:38 PM

There is no argument pete.

I don't invoke the riffs of Clapton to explain the novels of Thomas Hardy, and nobody is making an argument against creationism because it is fantasy whilst reality is real.

Nobody gives it the benefit of a theory, just a quaint medieval fairy story. Sadly, children are suggestive, which makes you and your fellow abusers dangerous.

You really are embarrassing for real Christians, aren't you? Maintaining a tradition is sometimes nice, but it gets beyond a joke when the likes of you, ISIS, abusive priests and U.S. Politicians can't distinguish it from reality.


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 07:58 AM

You really are embarrassing for real Christians, aren't you?

Are you speaking for Christians now Musket?
Any basis for that opinion?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: GUEST,Amazing
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 09:32 AM

Keith, there is a thread going laughing at your contention that opinions need facts. Yet here you are..

You have spoken for Christians many times on these threads. Christians don't this and that etc..

Yet you claim to have taught science.. Is pete's personality disorder an embarrassment to you or do believe all that creationist bollocks too? You have answered that both ways in the past. What are you this week?


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Subject: RE: BS: Paying nurses with poor deportment
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 05 Jul 15 - 10:00 AM

You have not answered.
Are you speaking for Christians now Musket?
Any basis for that opinion?


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