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Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away

GUEST,Eileen 22 Jul 15 - 07:46 PM
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Subject: Lyr Req: nobbut a cockstride away
From: GUEST,Eileen
Date: 22 Jul 15 - 07:46 PM

Does anyone have lyrics for Mary Kershaw -nobbut a cockstride away. Thanks


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: nobbut a cockstride away
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jul 15 - 08:14 PM

http://musicvideoswiz.com/artist/Mary%20Kershaw

You can hear it at 31:52 at that link. I cannot locate the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jul 15 - 08:50 PM

Here's a YouTube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juGXe1z45Xs

It's also on this Topic album: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1EBRNT43U

I can't understand enough of the song to attempt a transcription. It's on the Deep Lancashire CD, which is in storage around here somewhere. I wonder if the CD booklet has lyrics.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Jul 15 - 10:51 PM

Anybody have the album notes for the Deep Lancashire or Owdham Edge albums? Can you check for lyrics?
Reinhard?

https://mainlynorfolk.info/folk/records/deeplancashire.html


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Reinhard
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 04:19 PM

Sorry, there are no lyrics with this album (unless they were on an inlay missing in my copy). The sleeve notes for Nobbut a Cockstride Away are:

Many a traveller in the North, when asking for directions to his destination, has been told that 'It's nobbut a cockstride away'. It was almost as common as 'You can't miss it'.

In this song, Harvey Kershaw takes a common expression and weaves a series of philosophical statements around it. At the end of a hard day's work, the beauty of the moors is close at hand, and even the good Lord is nobbut a cockstride away.

For those of you unfortunate enough never to have visited Rochdale – Mary Kershaw's voice is the clostest you've been yet.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 04:28 PM

Reinhard, I get the impression the song was written by Harvey Kershaw - is that correct?

I hope somebody can come up with a transcription. Anybody here speak Rochdale?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Reinhard
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 04:54 PM

The source isn't exactly clear.

The record label of Owdham Edge says it's traditional; the sleeve says it's sung by Mary Kershaw accompanied by Harvey Kershaw on piano but gives no source. The Deep Lancashire CD's inlay says "trad. / Harvey Kershaw'.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 05:24 PM

No insert in my LP cover either. I don't think it had one.

Frustratingly I am looking at my copy Sam Laycock 'Collected Writings' (his Bowton's Yard is on the same LP) and I know that for decades two of Harvey Kershaw's books were next to in on my late father's bookshelf. They are now in a storage unit - in Rochdale !

FWIW I think it was Harvey Kershaw's words, which would fit with the sleeve notes quoted above.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 05:47 PM

Photo of Harvey and Mary

I think one verse starts "If weavin' were bad". Rochdale was a spinning town, I think Bacup may have been weaving town (as was north Rossendale). So Mary may be speaking Bacup, not Rochdale.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:05 PM

Here's a start

When I first geet wed, I were lucky folks said,
For when't buzzer for work went each day,
I'd no far to go, 'cos I lived in't mill brew
It were nobbut a cockstride away

If weavin' were bad, sometimes I'd get mad
I were fain to go home to me tea
When't bell brought release, I found quietness and peace,
They were nobbut a cockstride away

In life too you'll find, It's a ...... on a mind
The sky [must be] cloudy and grey
But keep ploddin' on, and you'll find that ould sun
Is nobbut a cockstride away


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Ebor Fiddler
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:08 PM

I doubt if there's very much difference in the speech - Bacup's nobbut a cockstride away from Rochdale Co-op.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:10 PM

No, it's "and you'll find that th'ould sun"

Giving up for now - too many transcription errors


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:10 PM

Thanks, Oldham Lad. I'm eager for more.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:14 PM

:-)

But I'm from only a couple of miles away - and I *know* they talk funny over there.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:29 PM

No, No, it's "and you'll find 'at th'ould sun"

Bed time


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 06:38 PM

See this then Ebor Fiddler !!

For speakers of the Lancashire dialect the accent/dialect from even a neighbouring town is perceived as different as for example Cockney and a Somerset accent. Thus many of those who live in Bury pronounce the town name as Burri yet speakers in some of the neighbouring towns would say Berry. To assume, therefore, that all Lancastrians strongly roll the r (in fact none of them do; that's just a non-rhotic speaker's way of trying to describe rhoticity) as did Gracie Fields (who had a typical Rochdale accent) would be greeted with the same derision as might be visited on those North American actors who assume all English speakers are Cockneys. Older speakers of South Lancashire, for example, could place a person with a remarkable degree of accuracy, with the distinctive accents of Wigan, Bolton, Leigh, Chorley, Westhoughton and Atherton having their own sometimes subtle (but often not) differences in pronunciation.(Wikipedia)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Jul 15 - 08:00 PM


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:00 AM

Provisional final two verses.

When yer thrutched i' yer mind, or fed up wi' life's grind,
There's tonic for which yer derrun't pay,   [don't pay]
On these grond moors around, god's fresh air is soon found, [grand]
And the're nobbut a cockstride away

When yer shackled wi care, dunna mope in despair,
No matter what skeptics both say, [sounds like 'both' but may be a dialect word]
Lift yer hearts fra yer shoe [*], trust the good lord aboo [above]
For he's nobbut a cockstride away

* I'm not sure about the 'Lift yer hearts fra yer shoe', but I vaguelly recall other oddities in his writing.

I hope get to the whole thing again later but if I forget at least there a start. I am sure other's from those parts will be along to comment. I keep automatically translating - I typed 'not but a cockstride' three times !


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:03 AM

others from those parts. This stuff can really screw yer apostrophes up.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:10 AM

Apropos nothing at all the area between Rochdale and Bacup contains Rooley Moor which used to hold naked man races. Funny lot over there! It also has a 'famine relief road' which was built by unemployed men to provide them money and employment during the cotton famine. Doesn't really do much for todays road systems but it is a lovely walk in parts.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:16 AM

Just to add that when putting the LP away I noticed that the label has all the tracks as "( Trad C/C )" but the sleeve notes give the authors of several tracks. For example "Street Scene" is Harvey Kershaw as well.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 04:18 AM

Back again. It may be "Lift yer hearts fra yer shoen", or possibly "arse", which it sounds like.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: Snuffy
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 09:16 AM

In a couple of places I hear something like "moat/mote" which I take to mean "might" -
The sky [mote be] cloudy and grey
and
No matter what skeptics [mote]say

I also hear "Lift yer hearts fra yer shoon, trust the good lord aboon"

Can't make out the first line of Verse 3


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:18 PM

Yes, I can hear those now thanks. Harvey Kershaw used shoon in "Clogs". That occasioned someone to explain to me that 'shoen' was an old plural for 'shoe', as in 'ox' and 'oxen'.   

How about for the first line of verse 3:

In life too you'll find, it's a day ona, mind,

The meaning "it's a day only, mind" in a paranthetic sense would fit, but I don't recall hearing 'only' like that.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:42 PM

Incorporating Snuffy's suggestions gives me:


When I first geet wed, I were lucky folks said,
For when't buzzer for work went each day,
I'd no far to gew, 'cos I lived in't mill brew, [far to go]
It were nobbut a cockstride away

If weavin' were bad, sometimes I'd get mad,
I were fain to go home to me tay, [to me tea]
When't bell brought release, I found quietness and peace,
They were nobbut a cockstride away.

In life too you'll find, it's a day ona, mind, [? day only]
The sky mote be cloudy and grey, [might be]
But keep ploddin' on, and you'll find at th'ould sun
Is nobbut a cockstride away

When yer thrutched i' yer mind, or fed up wi' life's grind,
There's tonic for which yer derrun't pay,   [don't pay]
On these grond moors around, God's fresh air is soon found, [grand]
And the're nobbut a cockstride away

When yer shackled wi care, dunna mope i' despair,
No matter what skeptics mote say, [might say]
Lift yer hearts fra yer shoon, trust the good lord aboon [shoes, above]
For he's nobbut a cockstride away


I find some Lancashire dialect writing quite hard to read, so I'm nto going to try to write it. So the above just has what I think may be needed for it to scan reasoanbly and rhymte for non-Lancastrians (west Pennine Yorkshire folk should be OK as well)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,Oldham lad
Date: 24 Jul 15 - 03:57 PM

Rats, I missed the preview button. Backtracking and carrying on...

That sleeve note makes it fairly clear that Harvey Kershaw wrote it.

I find some Lancashire dialect writing quite hard to read, so I'm not going to try to write it. The above just has what I think may be needed for it to scan reasonably and rhyme for non-Lancastrians (west Pennine Yorkshire folk should do OK as well).

I get more convinced each time I hear it but am still not entirely happy about that first line of Verse 3, but the weekend starts here.

Getting back to geography "lived in't mill brew" suggests something hillier than most of what was Rochdale before the local government reorganisation. The older dialect poets were writing when the mills where on the slopes closer to water for processing the cotton.

The second of the two youtube links above has much better sound quality than the first. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es1EBRNT43U I don't think it had an advert yesterday.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 05:37 AM

Thanks for all the posts, - I appreciate it. Thank you x


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Nobbut a Cockstride Away
From: GUEST,A Lancashire Lad
Date: 19 Nov 15 - 05:42 PM

If you are still interested (this is November and you asked in July), I will transcribe the lyrics and post them here. By the way, for other posters, the dialect is Lancashire and not Rochdale or Bacup. I very much doubt there is such a thing as a Rochdale or Bacum dialect. Lancashire dialect was spoken throughout Lancashire and North-East Cheshire and North West Derbyshire (Lancashire apart from Liverpool and Manchester where the local language was modified in the 19th century by massive Irish immigration, so Lancashire is no longer spoken there). In fact, young people in most of Lancashire and bordering areas no longer understand Lancashire dialect, even though is was the way older folk spoke well into the 1960s and 1970s. In fact, they would not even be able to identify it as "their own regional dialect".


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