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Subject: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 04:26 PM

This is one of the many times I wish John in Kansas were still with us. I'm wondering what's going to be happening to my computer this week - and, more importantly, to the ten computers I maintain at the women's center where I do volunteer work.
I'm getting the impression that if I accepted the Windows 10 reservation invitation that popped up on my computer a couple of weeks ago, my computer has been silently downloading portions of Windows 10 on my computer.
And then, if all has gone well, my computer will open with Windows 10 when I turn it on, on Wednesday July 29. And that will be that.
But I'm afraid I will be getting all sorts of desperate phone calls Wednesday, and I'm wondering if I ought to work at the Women's Center Wednesday so I'm there to handle problems that might arise.
Anybody have any idea what's going to happen this week?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 04:34 PM

Well I've imagined, perhaps naively, that it will sit in whatever folder you have designated as your 'Downloads' folder, until such time as you open the file and click 'install' - much the same as any other program.

But if I were you, I'd make sure to take a full system back-up before close of play on 28/7/15.

As there's a window of one year from 29/7/15 in which you can get the free upgrade, I've decided not to 'register' in advance, and to leave it six months until it's been running in the real world and, hopefully, the major crap has been sorted out.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 04:39 PM

The Get Windows 10 app clearly states you can 'upgrade when you get a notification Windows 10 has been downloaded'.

To me that reads it will only install when prompted.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 04:44 PM

Probably good advice, Backwoodsman, but I'm one of those who likes to be first to try the new stuff. Not daring enough to sign up to use Beta versions, but I like to get the new stuff when it's officially released. And so far, I haven't been burned.

Here's the Reservation Page

And a How-to page from Microsoft. It says, "You'll get a notification after July 29, 2015 once Windows 10 is downloaded to your device. Install it right away or pick a time that's good for you." Guess that means it won't install until I tell it to install.

Forbes.com reports some people are already haiving problems with the Windows 10 downloads - specifically with Nvidia graphics cards with multiple monitors (like mine, but I haven't had trouble...yet)

And PC World my usual go-to publication, tells what should happen on Wednesday...

Good luck to all of us.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 05:13 PM

Yep, I've got the Win 10 app on my PC. I ran the prog that checks your PC for suitability, and it told me everything was OK except my graphics adapter, which wouldn't work with 10. This PC is ONLY TEN MONTHS OLD!! WTF??

So that's why I'm waiting, to see what fixes are available (if any!). This is just my home computer, I'm fine with 8.1, and I'm informed that it will be supported until at least 2020, so there's no rush.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 05:15 PM

BTW, mine's an Nvidia card. 😳


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 05:24 PM

Here is an excellent discussion of the operating systems and upgrading from ZDNet. An excerpt from the article that may be particularly helpful:

If you're running (real) Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 on a traditional PC

If you're running Windows 8 and you can, you should update to 8.1 anyway. And if you're running Windows 8.1 and your machine can handle it (check the compatibility guidelines), I'd recommend updating to Windows 10. In terms of third-party support, Windows 8 and 8.1 will be such a ghost town that it's well worth doing the upgrade, and doing so while the Windows 10 option is free.

That said, if your users have already gone through a painful adjustment to the Windows 8 user experience, Windows 10 will involve another adjustment. Fortunately, nearly everyone is familiar with the old Start menu interface, and Windows 10 supports it, albeit with a bit of Metro slapped on the side. Even so, very few Windows 7 and prior users will be as lost on Windows 10 as on Windows 8.


I hope this helps.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: MoorleyMan
Date: 25 Jul 15 - 05:41 PM

I too have registered, and from the info available I also assumed that it won't install until I tell it to.
So far so good, and I think it best to stick with Windows 7 until that moment comes and I'm sure enough and have time enough to waste with another learning curve. Does that make enough sense to you techies out there?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: BobL
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:30 AM

I'm still getting adjusted to Windows 7, having stuck with XP for as long as possible (not to mention a Windows 98 system for running legacy stuff). The really important question for me is: if I have insurmountable problems with Windows 10, will I be able to roll back to what I had before?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 06:24 AM

I've been using Windows 10 for a few weeks now (testing stuff on it) and the transition between Windows 7 and 10 I have found much easier than adapting to Windows 8.1

It is remarkably familiar and - to me - obvious to use.

And I prefer it to Windows 8.1 where I have disabled charms and corners and all sorts of rubbish that just gets in the way.

Like others above my understanding is that you get notified it is available and can then decide when you install it.

I think the only route back to Windows 7 would be a reinstall of Windows 7 and everything that goes with it so a lot of work - unless you can take an image of everything you have and ghost it back on to the machine (seems more effort than accepting the inevitable and moving to 10 :)!)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 06:54 AM

I've received mails from AOL telling me I can download it from July 29th with info re how to do it etc. If you'd like a copy of their e.mail, it has some FAQ's just drop me a line at Desi crc778@aol.com


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 09:38 AM

I suspect the Microsoft servers will be swamped on July 29. There seems to be a plan to roll it out in stages and those who have reserved a copy early will find it downloads with updates and it will be available to install when they're ready.

Nick, I have a touch screen laptop, the environment that Windows 8 was developed for. A disconnect for Win8 was how few people paired it with touch devices. What kind of device/s are you using Win10 on, and does it retain some accommodation for touch screen computers? That is the device (with the Pro version) that I would probably opt first to test upgrade. Microsoft is pushing like programs out to users - Home version users of 7 or 8, etc., get Home version of 10. I use Win7 Ultimate on my desktop and am happy with it, so would probably delay an upgrade till near the end of the free offer period (let other people work out the bugs!).

It's clear this free upgrade is Microsoft's attempt to hold onto market share. People unhappy with Win8 flavors can get rid of it, and others will go along for the ride. In particular, they're up against the Android OS. The Win8 release will go into the dust bin along with Windows ME, Windows Vista, and illustrates something that other companies learned about shocking users with something so radically different. MicroPro Wordstar used to be a powerful word processing program, but when they released Wordstar2000 it didn't work the same and they scared off most of their users and never regained market share. Ironically, Microsoft stepped in with Office Word to take over that market.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Ed
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 11:04 AM

Thank you Acme, for your link to the ZDNet piece.

Have to say that I'm somewhat dismayed at the 'Mandatory Autmatic Windows Updates'

Whilst I accept that I probably in a small minority, my main Internet connection has a fairly limited monthly allowance. That's fine, and whilst I have to keep an eye on my usage, perfectly OK for my day to day use. If however I exceed it, the charges are really heavy.

I won't possibly know if Microsoft decide to install a large update, on the final day of the month, without telling me, which could well cost me a good deal.

No thanks for now. Sticking with Windows 7.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 12:19 PM

A problem I have recently discovered is that Windows is killing off Windows Media Center with the Win10 upgrade. It will remove it from the computer. I have lots of programs recorded using WMC because I have a receiver in my computer.

The WMC files don't play nicely with others - they can't be viewed in another program. I am going to have to slowly convert these files and burn them to DVD (the WMC program will do this). Some things I can jettison, but the ones I want to keep will need conversion. I want to continue using my computer as a DVR, so am looking into other software that will do what MWC did - provide a program directory and allow me to record. Has anyone else explored this situation? Once you upgrade to Win10, your Windows Media Center is toast. And as of a few days ago, to viewing schedule guide will not update. There is a source for $25 a year - Schedules Direct apparently will merge with WMC (there is a seven day free trial in which to test this out). I would like to eventually upgrade to Win10, so I need another answer before then. KODI is apparently software from the XBOX platform that will do some of this. Are there any users here?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 12:23 PM

Windows Media Center is Dead. Here are the best alternatives.

Top Alternatives for WMC.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 12:57 PM

You may want to check out this article on WMC - apparently, there is a partial fix in the pipeline. PC World article


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 01:25 PM

I have a separate media player (Corel WinDVD) for BluRay and DVD, because WMC wouldn't play my BluRay movies on my computer. It is the television recording DVR part that I want to hold onto, and access to my previously recorded material. But for anyone who doesn't want to pay extra for a DVD player, there is also the open source VLC player that is quite robust - it plays things that stump QuickTime and Windows Media Player.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 02:09 PM

I'm happy enough with win7, and blocked KB3035583!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 03:42 PM

It keeps coming back if you delete it, so apparently you have to hide it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 26 Jul 15 - 05:54 PM

If you don't need it, don't upgrade. They are already planning to obsolete touchscreens so that need will become moot on time for the next whiz-bang rollout.

If you have a touch screen device or Win 8 there is nothing to lose. Besides, Win 10 is supposed to let you emulate the Win 7 interface.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 27 Jul 15 - 08:35 AM

It won't be available to all on 29th July Windows 10 will first be made available to people who have been running the tech preview edition. Then it will be rolled out in stages to people who reserved it. Then anybody else with a bona fide copy of win 7, win 8 or 8.1 can download it for free if they wish. This info is from microsoft's own press release.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 09:47 PM

So, it's been July 29 in the UK for almost three hours, and almost 12 hours in Sydney. Anybody have Windows 10 installed?

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 10:02 PM

Christmas in July, eh, Joe? ;-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 10:16 PM

"So, it's been July 29 in the UK for almost three hours, and almost 12 hours in Sydney. Anybody have Windows 10 installed?"

They may not be able to access the internet :-)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 11:20 PM

As I understand, my Nokia Lumia 920 phone should be due for an update to win 10 mobile version,
so that might give some idea of 'things to come'...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Jul 15 - 11:24 PM

OK, I admit it....I like Windows, and I'm looking forward to Windows 10. And I'm hoping it will give new life to a bunch of Windows 7 computers I'm not quite ready to want to replace...

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 12:00 AM

I think David Pogue's review will make you happy.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 06:12 AM

I only noticed that in the first month you can go back to the previous version from WITHIN the software

I work for a software company and none of our x,000 customers have yet upgraded (or upgraded and reported any problems) ...

We are wondering whether we will get any calls today


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 09:31 AM

It could be sometime before people actually get this upgrade. here's a quote directly off of microsoft's site "Once Windows 10 is available, we'll begin notifying devices that their free upgrade is available. Just open the Get Windows 10 app to schedule your upgrade. Note: Some notifications will go out as soon as Windows 10 is available; others may go out in the weeks or months following" lots of hot air and hype ...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 11:06 AM

As far as I can see my modem is working hard at downloading something and has been all day. But west of Ireland broadband being what it is it may well be a week before the 3GB is fully downloaded.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 11:15 AM

The reviews I have seen so far have been mostly good. The Guardian went as far as saying this version is the best yet


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 12:02 PM

My experience has been very positive so far but there are various things I haven't tried yet.

I use Reaper for music recording and photoshop with photos and haven't tried either yet as I have only used it at work. So we'll see.

And whether my ancient printers and scanners (which I use occasionally) still work


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 04:20 PM

Yeah, I was wondering about that as well, Nick. I have an HP 3180C printer and I kinda figure it will be OK but ???.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 04:34 PM

Well one down...

My wife's new laptop has done the transition from Windows 8.1 (which neither of us were keen on) to Windows 10 as it was available when I turned it on this evening. Took about 1/2 hour in all wile I watched a programme on Tv and it works fine.
*Old version of Office (2000) that is on it works fine.
*Two profiles on machine both transferred no problem
*Desktops have exactly the same icons they had before and backgrounds!
*Teamviewer works between machines
*Network in house works and all machines can still see each other
*No settings or fiddling with internet or anything - it justs works
*Chrome opens and favourites etc all there
*Passwords remembered etc for Yahoo mail etc
*No problem with wireless
*Boots quickly and shuts quickly
*My wife has never seen Windows 10 before and just got on and used the bits she needed as normal with no goggling or messing about
*Sound works

Haven't looked into Cortana or such because no real need yet.

Very painless and so far minimal disruption. And NOTHING like the hassle when she/we moved from Windows 7 to Windows 8.1


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 05:00 PM

Sounds good, Nick. I am downloading on my laptop now. I am looking forward to taking it for a spin.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 05:32 PM

Upgrade was completely painless and so far nothing strange.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,#
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 06:45 PM

I'm glad it worked out for all of you. Good news.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: michaelr
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 07:36 PM

So... I'm still on XP and paranoid enough about Windows' many crap iterations that I haven't installed 7 yet. Will it be possible, if all this initial jubilation about 10 turns out to be justified, to upgrade my system for free?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 09:22 PM

So... where is my choice of "shutdown"? Start menu my arse. Am I missing something here??? I am a cranky old man and this pissed me off so much that I just shut down the laptop "as usual" and I'll explore it tomorrow.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Don Firth
Date: 29 Jul 15 - 10:50 PM

My 17" Asus laptop is not only my work computer, it is my goofin' off computer as well. Put together—custom assembled—by a local computer shop. After chatting with a friend of mine who works for Mickeysoft (she didn't badmouth Windows 8, but it was obvious that she wasn't very enthusiastic about it), I had the shop load the computer with Windows 7.

Somewhere along the line, I lost sound on the computer, so I can't listen to sound files or get audio on things like YouTube videos, and pop-up windows keep telling me I need Adobe FlashPlayer (which I thought I had).   About a dozen times I've tried to download it and somewhere in the process it all goes pear-shaped and I have to reboot. Damn! I'm about to call Heath of GeekServ to come out and give my computer a dope-slap or whatever magic he usually works (but it costs and arm and a leg).

Then this morning, the Windows logo appeared on my taskbar, inviting me to "Get Windows 10."

I am reading this thread with great interest, and checking other things about Windows 10 on various internet sites. Sounds good so far….

But I'm still feeling very leery….

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 12:38 AM

The order is in for Windows 10 for my laptop. I'll see what it looks like, but will probably leave the Win7 Pro in place on the desktop at least for the time being.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 01:04 AM

Well, we have one employee who absolutely refuses to change from Win 7 to Win 10. I'm not going to force her, at least as long as she can keep going on Win 7 without complaining to me.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:09 AM

Apologies if this seems like a daft question, but how did you know when you had the download (or it was available)?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:39 AM

Open the Windows 10 app and it will tell you.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 06:34 AM

OK, thanks Peter.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 06:38 AM

It's the same app you used to reserve the upgrade. It will either show you the download is in progress or prompt you to go ahead with the upgrade (or delay it).

By now I have upgraded an older Dell inspiron laptop from Windows 7 to 10. Went as smooth as the newer computer.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 06:41 AM

Shut down -
Start - Power - Shut down

Well a colleague at work upgraded last night and his machine then had problems. BUT - he is a very geeky guy and goodness knows what his machine contains. It did work but just need more work and may have something in start up that was stopping it

Your problem with moving from Win XP to Windows 10 is probably not the freeness of it (you can just download the image and install) but rather whether the machine is of a high enugh spec and has sufficient memory. A lot of machines with XP are limited to 512mb RAM and I think that would be insufficient. As you can't UPGRADE from XP but need to reinstall you would need to make sure you backed up everything and re-installed all your programs etc

I bought a new laptop for my wife recently (actually a refurbed one) for £167 so perhaps it is time for a new one and leave the old stuff on XP


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 07:09 AM

There s an option to revert to your previous OS if you don't like Win 10 that option is available for one month only


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 07:36 AM

One of my machines has failed twice in downloading the Windows 10 update. I have downloaded and installed all the 'old' windows 7 updates as I wonder whether it needs to be up to date first? Who knows.

If you look in Control Panel - Windows Update - Update History it should tell you if it has yet tried (and perhaps failed) to do the Windows 10 upgrade. It looks as though it first started trying to download it on 28/7/15.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Don Firth
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 01:40 PM

This morning when I turned on my computer, the Windows logo on my taskbar with its invitation to "Get Windows 10" is no longer there.

Wha's happenin'?

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 03:17 PM

Same here. This happened to me a few days back. I even looked where the "hidden icons" lurk (and where I had been consigning the notification) and found it wasn't there, either.


Jay


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 03:31 PM

Am I wrong to think the app was to reserve the upgrade before its release and it has now disappeared when it wasn't used prior to the roll out?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:29 PM

Here's what's happening with MY rollout... my laptop is fucked. More details as they become available. If you wanna go for it, do a full backup and create restore points. I didn't because I don't keep any files on mine BUT, it may looks like I will lose my security software and I just pray that I can reinstall it without too many problems. We'll see. Fuck I hate M$.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 05:21 PM

I just took a bunch of pictures (dunno how they will turn out as taking pics of a monitor with a camera sometimes turns out poorly) but I will post them at FB Mudcat when I get a chance. Seems odd to me that all these can be navigated but "Your PC did not start properly... ". Leads to SO many other screens and options. ???? I mean, if it didn't start, how can this be?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 12:09 PM

New PC World articles:

How to Install Win 10 (focus seems to be on how to do it if you don't want to wait for MS to get around to you)

Who Should/Shouldn't Upgrade to Win 10 (includes some info for XP and Vista users)

There is absolutely no hope for Gnu.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 01:35 PM

So, two days in, I still think it's fine. Ofcourse there are a few teething issues, Windows now seems unable to find files on my (Nikon) camera (although I can transfer the lot of them via Nikon ViewNX-i) which is a major inconvenience if I want to lift one or two images for immediate use.

And there's the Photos app. Really, what were they thinking? I have about 12-15000 photos on my computer, Photos picks out a few hundred randomly and arranges them in albums by date and there's nothing you can do to change anything about it it. I can't determine the underlying thought, if ever there was one, and find the whole app, that Microsoft sets as default if you let them, completely useless.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 03:48 PM

"There is absolutely no hope for Gnu." Was there ever?

I have been advised by my top geek... reset to factory condition.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu**!

BTW... my question in the WIN community forum has not been answered.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 03:56 PM

Well . . . I seem to be galumphing along okay with Windows 7, so as they say, "If it works, don't fix it!"

I don't want my computer turning into Hal 9000 and locking me out of the ship, so unless I hear of some compelling reason to shift to Windows 10, for the time being at least, I think I'll leave things as they are.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 07:24 PM

Six hours into the reset and I am at update 65 of 165... there's one I decided to wait on because it's a big bugger. BTW, I have high speed cable and an Intel Core I5. HP laptop.

Wait for the bug fixes before you jump. I figured I would be okay because I have no personal files on the laptop. It's just for internUt weather reports and such when the power goes out and for watching You Tube vids on my big scream TV. Thank goodness!

It installed Norton so I'll have to mess with that bullshit tomorrow and hope my ESET and Malwarebytes will reinstall without... oh shit, who am I kidding?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 08:19 PM

I'm guessing that I am one of the majority of the millions of folk who have done this with little hassle.

From my end on two very different machines -

* a recently bought windows 8.1 laptop
* a (quite full 80% of a 1tb drive) windows7 machine with all my important stuff on and MANY programs

They both just work

Audio via M-audio works
All my recording stuff works

I have not had to reinstall or fix anything

I think that (from a software point of view and deployment of millions of downloads with almost nil support via people - has anyone phoned microsoft?) it is an astouding piece of delivery of development


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 11:22 PM

re: Phoning Microsoft forget about the official lines. Once I had a problem [many years ago] that would not wait. I called information for the office number and got it. When I got through, the person who picked it up said "How did you get this number?" I told them and they took care of me right away.
This may still work.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 11:12 AM

FYI

Some of the details of what M$ has set as defaults in Win10 (from a post in alt.comp.freeware)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 03:01 PM

You DO need to go through settings and disallow them to harvest all sort of stuff about what you do on your machine in aid of their targeted advertising program. As well as the rights they assume using files stored on One Drive etc. Quite a lot of it actually. The same holds true for Google, Facebook and many other sites and software providers.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 05:00 PM

She's operational except for blowing out Norton and TRYING to reinstall ESET and Malwarebytes without any problems. HAHAHAHA! Yeah, right. Fuck M$.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 07:02 PM

If you automate the installation it will set their new "Edge" browser as default browser and Bing as the default search. You can change those, but with a few steps and hunting. If you customize the installation you can choose those things during the install.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 11:08 PM

Microsoft has automated 'herding sheeple' with an automated Border Collie.... the few sheeple that get away by customizing installation will still be tracked and harassed.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:15 PM

Hahahahaa!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:25 PM

I installed yesterday and all was well but this morning it takes ages to boot into my profile and the comes up with a critical error as start menu, task bar and cortana won't load. Also my second user profile has gone. My advice would be to wait a while I wish I had!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:36 PM

Cortana will be the first thing I disable.

Tried it for about 5 minutes on my windows mobile phone before I got too annoyed with her...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 06:00 AM

By all accounts Cortana is by and large a data gathering exercise and I'd disable her for that reason alone. Microsoft does not need to know how I write, what my interests are etc just to send me targeted advertising. I really dislike the whole internet turning into a marketing environment and I am blocking all of it as much as I can.

But that said, Cortana is not enabled in Ireland so we don't get to worry about that yet.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 11:12 AM

The image I posted back there was shared by a very well-respected computer expert. He has since added these comments as part of a discussion with a doubter: single > are from the doubter he is debating. double >> are repeat quotes from the expert who is trying to warn people. *I* still have a year to think about it, and I have a Win XP machine that will be retired sometime this year, and 2 Win 7 Professional machines (one brand new) that I seem to have control over. I rather expect that I will survive without M$ 'enhanced' updates... if not, I will take them offline and switch to Linux.
===================================================================
(This first remark follows the image that I, Bill D, linked to)


IMHO, it is scary what people not only accept, but actually *embrace*
when sth. is marketed as shiny-new / must-have / limited time free
update / afterwards always free /...

Only Enterprise edition *seems* to offer a reasonable level of privacy
and control of update selection. Time will show, if it really does...
The other editions are Big Bother at full scale in standard setup, and
Big Bother standing foot-in-door even when configured most restricted.

Not that Android (e.g.) is noticeably better, though... :-(

----------------[then follows the debate]

>> IMHO, it is scary what people not only accept, but actually *embrace*
[...]
> Well it's pretty obvious that most of those highlighted T&C's relate to
> Cortana.

Forced Updates (not only security-wise, but also unknown functionality),
forced re-enabling of switched-off settings, telemetry, monitoring and
optional access_to /upload_of private files and data,... - That's not
"just Cortana". :-(

Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB would probably be the edition, that
could be worth a look for privacy-concerned home users. But since it
only is sold through business channels, MSDN or Technet ("Platforms"
has more-the-less been canceled, though), it isn't too easy to come
by for the average user. And it ain't cheep in small quantities, since
it requires an /additional/ "normal" base license of Win7 or later.

> There was a lot of fuss here about Windows Search which is now a
> component of Cortana. Time will tell whether Cortana will be successful but
> I can only speak with any authority about Windows Search. For me spidering
> all my files and emails has been a godsend.

I don't need to /search/ for my files. Although I have several TByte of
programs and data, I simply /access/ them. Well-structured filing system
and descriptive folder and file names aren't that hard to maintain.
/When/ for once I do search, then inside one or very few subfolder(s).
No need for indexing. If deemed necessary, folders get additional
Info-files. And that's it. More important than search is quick filtering
inside large folders, i.e. reducing the files shown while typing a filter
condition. - Something, that decent file managers have been providing
for years...
----------------------

> Forced security updates is a good thing.

No, it is not. MS (and most other software vendors) just designed the update
process in a way, that any alternative to forced automatism *seems* far too
complicated and time-consuming for average users. The information that is
delivered with most updates is laughable; the necessity to follow a link
for each KB article separately - about not only details, but even the most
general information - is ridiculous.

MS disabled whole businesses (let alone millions of home PC's) by sending
out broken updates in past. Apart from that: The day someone manages to
intercept the update process and sends malicious code along it, the world
will notice the idiocy of unattended automatic updates...

> I've yet to use Windows 10 in anger so I'll see what else is really
> forced upon me.

Question is, *why* MS is so persistent in emphasizing, that even with
disabled auto-update for new features and additional apps, those updates
will be rolled-out to Win10Pro and standard Win10Enterprise users after
8 months, with /no/ chance for opt-out?! From a marketing POV, such a
statement is a general trade-off for acceptance. It only makes sense,
when the potential future trade-off will be even bigger. (Create facts,
while people still are eager to jump on the shiny-new train.)

> There's always shovel loads of FUD every time there's a new release
> of Windows.

There have been great technical improvements "under the hood" in past
and quite a few debatable design decisions, as well. But I really can't
imagine, what got into MS, to create the privacy and security disaster
Win10. (All editions except probably Enterprise LTSB.) I guess, it will
be (commercially) successful, anyways. - Although companies ought to
(probably will) be really reluctant before incorporating it.

But, IMHO, an independent evaluation of the code base and the data
acquisition scope/amount surely seems to be in order. If the US gov
isn't concerned, maybe the EU will be. In the past, the NT core was
considered en route to mathematical proof for important aspects of
security. Since WinXP, such considerations don't seem to matter even
a bit, anymore... :-(

> Turning on the anti-virus seems like a good idea to me.

If I turn off AV, I do it for good reason. If a multi-day calculation
breaks on a stand-alone workstation (= no Internet), just because MS
seems it appropriate to turn on an interfering process by some internal
timer event, they won't get easily on friendly terms with me ever again!
There *might* be some reasoning pro "forced security" on Home editions.
With Pro and Enterprise, any decision of sysadmins (or authorized
power users) *has* to be respected!

> Windows always has had extensive monitoring. Developers need feedback.
> Don't feedback, don't get stuff fixed. I don't believe it's a ruse. It's
> necessary.

*I* decide, what information leaves my PC. Any other approach is
unacceptable. Besides, the scope of the data acquisition rights that
MS demands in conjunction with usage of Win10 exceeds crash dumps and
the like, by far. Btw., sending crash dumps /can/ be disabled for
Win10 Home and Pro; sending "diagnostic and usage data" (whatever
that means), however, is always switched-on on these systems. Maybe,
communication data is far more interesting than crash reports...

>> Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB would probably be the edition, that
>> could be worth a look for privacy-concerned home users. But since it
>> only is sold through business channels, MSDN or Technet ("Platforms"
>> has more-the-less been canceled, though), it isn't too easy to come
>> by for the average user. And it ain't cheep in small quantities, since
>> it requires an /additional/ "normal" base license of Win7 or later.
>
> Most people don't have time or the skills to make any kind of informed
> judgment about any of this stuff, and none of us a significant amount of
> it.

Informed decisions can be based on recommendations. Therefore, /some/
people could suggest an appropriate edition and useful settings. Other
people could create scripts for automatically incorporating community-
approved sets of settings (like Black Vipers service managing scripts).
But how can this work, when the only suitable edition is practically
unavailable (and much too expensive) for the majority of all users?

> The bottom line is. Do you trust Microsoft. If you don't. Don't use
> their OS.

No. The bottom line is: Don't accept bad decisions. Complain, criticize.
If enough do it, MS will adjust. (As it did in past.) DOC / EU or other
governmental departments may interfere. (As they did in past, as well.)
Make sure to create a climate, where it doesn't really matter, how much
you trust MS or any other firm (or their employees). Software has to be
transparent about what it does and why. And software companies have to
issue self-committing declarations pro privacy of their users, that are
/enforceable/ and linked to /severe/ penalties.

>> I don't need to /search/ for my files. Although I have several TByte of
>> programs and data, I simply /access/ them. Well-structured filing system
>> and descriptive folder and file names aren't that hard to maintain.
>> /When/ for once I do search, then inside one or very few subfolder(s).
>> No need for indexing. If deemed necessary, folders get additional
>> Info-files. And that's it. More important than search is quick filtering
>> inside large folders, i.e. reducing the files shown while typing a filter
>> condition. - Something, that decent file managers have been providing
>> for years...
>
> Yeah, I used to try and do that, then I realised the power of indexing, and
> my life just got easier

Organizing data is no more time-consuming than dumping it. Organizing
and/or managing dumps of data, OTOH, is.
-------------------------------

>> the only suitable edition [ Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB] is
>> practically unavailable (and much too expensive) for the majority of
>> all users?
>
> I think you are jumping the gun here. It always takes six months for little
> bits of freeware to arrive on the scene to fix whatever MS has missed out
> of the latest version. It's always been that way. The fixes always arrive.
> Why do you think the sky is going to fall this time.

The problem is routed in the licensing terms and the implied reasoning
behind creating such terms. It is one thing to correct a bad/unwanted
design decision by a freeware tool. It is a whole 'nother matter working
against an OS, which is /meant/ to violate your privacy and denies even
sysadmins the right to configure major security and privacy aspects
without jumping through hoops. (Which may - consistent with the licensing
terms - closed or replaced by a backdoor by an automated update just the
other day.)

As Android is to strictly be avoided in businesses on grounds of privacy
and security concerns, Win10 in most editions is now, as well. Because
of the immense market share of Windows on Desktop PC's and workstations,
most companies (and government agencies, NGO's,...) can not choose to
avoid Windows OS on near future. Therefore, MS new concept of Windows
as a service - combined with the new licensing - becomes, IMHO, a clear
matter of antitrust investigations and most likely requires prosecution.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 05:51 PM

My problem was caused by my installing Avast Free AV - apparently it conflicts with Windows Defender which is now an AV programme - though not sure how good it is! I did a system restore and it is working ok now


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 05:55 PM

I installed it today and am very happy with it, everything works like a charm and the text looks sharper and the colours brighter. No complaints (yet) from this cybernaut.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 05:58 PM

I forgot to mention that it makes my computer faster too.....what's not to like?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 06:05 PM

We shall see what's not to like, perhaps. Did you bother to read my C&P from the guy who has worries?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 08:21 AM

It will make things faster, sure but so will any OS when first installed. The biggest problem is that it turns folders into "read only" and this can't always be changed, even using the command prompt/attribute etc. It has made my Windows.old folder read only! So I can't roll back to Windows 7 as promised by microsoft. I had one of their engineers take remote control of my machine for over an hour this morningand he couldn't fathom it out! He said they were inundated with calls about this! He has escalated te problem to the "next tier" and I have an appointment for a super tech to try again on Friday.
A google search shoes that this problem is widespread.Other than this stuff the OS looks OK and I'm sure it will be when the problems are ironed out Ha ha!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 08:47 AM

After my catastrophic fatal hard drive crash of a month ago,
I bought a cheap bargain desktop preloaded with win 8.1 with a view to update to win 10.

I immediately disliked win 8.1, but after disabling much of the bloatware
and making it look as much like XP / win 7 as possible...

I think I'm actually starting to warm to 8.1 and now feel more reservations about a too hasty 'upgrade' to win 10 ???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 09:06 AM

I am in the same sort of situation, my XP computer died last february and I had to replace it with a Win 8.1 one. I had just gotten used to it, more or less. I went with the upgrade and don't really regret it, not yet anyway. I like the look and the menus of Win 10 better than those in 8.1 and while there's a certain getting used to needed, I haven't encountered any problems. I did do heavy alterations to the default (privacy) settings the new Windows came with but that is par for the course with any major software these days.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM

Not that anyone will bother, but here's another warning:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/06/microsoft_vacates_moral_high_ground_for_the_data_slurpers_cesspit/


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:21 PM

Last month's hard drive calamity gave me the kick up the arse to start playing with linux
as soon as I installed a new hard drive on the old machine [AV Linux]

I then bought 2 identical cheap Win 8.1 desktops.

One for secure online shopping and passworded personal finance stuff..

the other for mucking about on dodgy music and sordid titillation websites like mudcat and xhamster
[the vintage nudey stag movies are absolutely brilliant - but one site is slightly more folk oriented 😜]...

Still trying to decide which new PC is going to be the Win 10 tryout box ????


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 01:24 PM

A bit of thread-drift here,Mobutu is anyone else having problems with installing Win 8.1 updates? I run updates manually, not automatically, but it takes three or four attempts to get them to stick. Is it just me?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 01:26 PM

Mobutu? WTF? Wasn't he an African leader of some sort?

BUT!!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 07:43 PM

I've got a Windows XP computer I upgraded to Windows 7. Didn't like the sound of Windows 8. I'm not sure if I should try getting it to run Windows 10, which it likely could.

It'd be much simpler if they just improved the old system to remove the bugs and loopholes with as few changes as possible, especially the cosmetic ones.

I could understand if it was a matter of cynically making us buy new versions, but when they allow free upgrades it seems a bit pointless, change for the sale of change.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 09:54 AM

Good article at that link, Bill D. Thanks.

McGrath, Microsoft is trying to undo the damage that Windows 8 and 8.1 did to their market share. And while they're at it, to get everyone to compute in The Cloud. Even in Windows 8.1 it was difficult to make the computer use your local account, it wanted you to sign in and use a Hotmail or Outlook account and upload your data.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 07:20 PM

Still haven't tried to reinstall my security software on my laptop... lazy and still pissed off (and it's not a big deal). Talked to a buddy today who upgraded to W10 and he is furious! I told him he can go back to W7 within 30 days and he said 'first thing tomorrow'. He's got a bunch of software that W10 doesn't support but tells him he can 'upgrade' that software for X $ each.

Bottom line IMO... wait for at least six months and read up. I wish I had done so.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:54 AM

Lady Hillary and I have about 8 working computers between us. One is Win 8.1 which we will check out once we remove the password [Not as simple as it sounds as it's on a netbook], one is a Vista laptop and the rest are various permutations of Win 7. Three of the Win 7s are formerly XP machines.
In truth, we have had no problems with any of them except getting the password off. I suspect that the 8.1 machine will also be just fine. If the machines are running well, I do not believe we will migrate.
As I have said elsewhere 10 and 8 are for low capacity touch screen devices. As none of our machines meet this definition, why bother?
I happened to be at our local Office Depot and noted how cheap [in every sense] the new tablets and notebooks are in the store. This may be because everything has been externalized.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 11:43 AM

I'm just setting up a brand new out the box cheap bargain Lenovo win 8.1 desktop.
Near the end of the set up, a screen stated I can now auto upgrade immediately to win 10.

Why not, I'm prepared to take the risk...

... and it makes sense to do it on a clean previously unused PC ...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:24 PM

One more article about privacy and the "benefits" of not having any...

ya' gotta read carefully


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:34 PM

It's the Lenovo E50 preloaded with Win 8.1 with Bing [Build 9600]

£119 for a reasonable quality budget PC,
including fair quality USB mouse & keyboard.

[damn good bargain; bought two -
but - Ebuyer is the shitest online shop with the worst customer service I've ever encountered... I'll never buy from them again...]

Lenovo has loaded a "One Key Recovery", so providing it works - that should be the safety net
to roll back to factory reset
if for any reason I can't stand win 10...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 02:55 PM

just finished upgrade to win 10.

time to take a break to eat a meal

When I get back first thing I'll do is install trial demo of Revo Uninstaller
to get rid of McAfee and other unwanted crap on this new PC....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 04:21 PM

"He's got a bunch of software that W10 doesn't support but tells him he can 'upgrade' that software for X $ each."

I have yet to find a program that doesn't work so that's quite a different experience to mine. A quick look suggests I have well in excess of 250 programs installed and I have yet to find one that doesn't work - at random I just tried musescore, ableton live 8, dreamweaver cs3, an alternative version of Reaper and Paint Shop Pro 6. I haven't opened any of those since upgrading and they all work. Reaper which I record with via an M-Audio M-Track thing works fine. Teamviewer which I use a lot works fine and no hassle with favourites etc moving.
On this machine I don't use any 16 bit programs and have an old Xp machine if I need to

No apologist for Microsoft but have just found it all very easy and just carrying on with stuff as normal

Office 2000 is supposed to not work on Windows 8 and 10 but it does even from a clean install

Perhaps I'm lucky on the two machines I have (one old one newish) as I have colleagues at work who have had issues, but so far so good and I see no reason to go back.

I will, however, continue to manually tweak a lot of the privacy options as I am more blase sometimes than I probably should be.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 04:57 PM

Btw... I got through the entire process refusing to enter a microsoft account whenever prompted and nagged to log into one.

I don't have one, don't want one, and can't be arsed making up a fake one...

So let's see how long before I hit a brick wall without it...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:29 AM

I saw a television advertisement for windows 10 a little while ago. The message they were putting across seemed to be that they had designed it for pre-school children.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:39 AM

I'm with Nick. So far no problems at all with win 10.

R


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:15 PM

Spent a few hours disabling / uninstalling as much unwanted kiddie apps as I could find....

and obviously making it resemble stripped down utilitarian XP / win 7 as best I can.

My opinion is it is a lot better organized and less user irritating than 8.1....

but apart from that I don't fell any wow factor advantage over win 7 ????

I really dislike the lack of update options.
and am sensibly suspicious of the possible extent of the data harvesting.

One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:58 PM

I've installed Windows 10 on 5 computers so far, with no problems on any of them. I'm hoping this will add to the life span of some of our aging Windows 7 computers.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 03:49 PM

Ok - Restart fails every time now.

So I did a system restore back to just after the Win 10 'upgrade',
and Resart still doesn't work.

So am now rolling back to Win 8.1

Remember - this is a brand new never been used Win 8.1 PC
and I'm a reasonably experiences and seriously cautious computer user..

Count me as not too impressed if the Win 10 'upgrade' can eff up this machine


Oh for f@cks sake - it looks like the roll back to 8.1 has froze and left hanging on the Lenovo start image !!!!????..


I'll leave the bastard for a fair time while I get a meal....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 06:40 PM

So..... after the roll back to Win 8.1, "Restart" still didn't work.

Tired and frustrated, as a last resort - pressed the Lenovo OneKey recovery button..

Factory reset, and back to square one setting up a new Win 8.1 PC;
and Restart now seems to have been repaired and working again...

CONCLUSION: Two wasted days and nights, one brand new PC at risk of being buggered...

Will I risk trying Win 10 again..? maybe... perhaps once more before the free 12 months expires...
Definitely if microsoft relents and reinstores user control of updates.


I do think it's a huge improvement on Win 8.1,
but when both are stripped of the gimmick apps and reduced to minimal XP / Win 7 style appearance,
Can't say I really see any significant improvement.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 02:25 AM

"One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem...."


It's been doing that for quite a while on my Win 8.1 machine. I'm getting updates at the rate of a dozen a day, but even though I run the updates manually, the Restart falls over. I do the bottom-pressing thing, then it tells me that it couldn't finish the updates, and it's undoing the changes it made. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhh!!

It's a PITA. I don't see how Win 10 can possibly be any worse than 8.1. I'm going to do the upgrade -assuming the download of Win 10 (which the app has been telling me is "downloading in the background" for the past ten days) ever happens.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 10:00 AM

If you do decide to go with Windows 10, this may help you maintain your privacy and your sanity.

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Programming/OS/How_to_opt_out_of_Windows_10_s_default_data_tracking_in_4_steps.aspx


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:13 PM

Thanks EB. Useful stuff.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:36 PM

I've spent today taming 8.1 to my minimalist requirements.

This'll be the 3rd or 4th time I done it in recent months,
and I think I'm getting the hang of where most important options & disable tick boxes are hidden....

.. almost feeling at home now with 8.1

[but my wish list hi power audio PC will still be installed with win 7 pro, just for the sake of informed stubborness...]

Anyway, I really did want to like Win 10 and expect to give it another try before too long...
Though the restriction on user control of updates is a big discomfort, verging on deal breaker for me.

It does seem less confused than a new factory fresh install of win 8.1...
just for some reason the installation was broken on my brand new budget price Lenovo PC ???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 08:59 AM

Backed up my entire PC to my external HDD last night, then installed Win 10. Went as smooth as a baby's bottom, no hiccups or problems of any sort. Didn't do the express install, I used the options to switch off as much of the tracking stuff as possible.

First impression is that, for the average Joe like me who just does a bit of surfing the web, online shopping, email, Farcebook, The Mudcat Mental Asylum, a few spreadsheets, a bit of word processing, it's not much different to Win 8.1 in terms of use. I realise that there's probably more going on under the surface that the tinfoil-hat brigade are bricking it over, but for what I imagine are the vast majority of people, it's very similar to its predecessor.

Everything seems to work fine - my internet security, Office 2013, Reaper, Audacity, Pro-Tools First, FlightRadar 24, Photoshop, everything.

Early days, but looking good, at least for the moment.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:35 AM

It IS an easy transition.

That said, updates have been coming in and one of them messed up the Windows update facility so I had to roll back the system to its state before the update. That caused a few glitches in other programs that had updated since but that was mostly easily fixed.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:59 AM

My 'upgrade' to win 10 on a brand new unused Lenovo PC processed very easily and seemed to work fine for nearly a day
until I noticed it was failing to restart after some software and driver updates.
Then after repeated attepmts to update some intel drivers for Win 10 after 'Lenovo Companion' stated they were necessary,
Restart failed completely, and never worked again..

That's why I rolled back to Win 8.1.
But restart still failed to work.

So resorted to lenovo onekey recovery back to factory reset.

Now it functions fine in win 8.1, but when I tried to create a recovery drive,
I get a message stating components are missing and I need the Windows 8.1 install disc,
which of course the manufacturer does not supply.....😫


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM

oh yeah.. btw.. the lesson I've learned is to try to get back in the habit of creating a manual restore point before every 'update'...

Definitely not to trust Windows to do it for me...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:30 PM

..though having said that.. seeing as microsoft has decided to deny users any* options to control what and when updates are downloaded and installed..

how the f@ck are we supposed to know when to protect our system and create a restore point,
if all updates are just imposed & installed without warning !!!!???


[* ok - it seems there is one user option - to decide when to restart after download and install....

yes.... effin 'restart'...!!!!!!!😠 ]


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:05 AM

I see that Audacity works for Backwoodsman, but it's not working for me on Windows 10. Audacity can't find my audio devices. I hope they come up with a solution soon.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:33 AM

I, too, now have a problem with audio - the DVD reader/writer is not recognised as being present.

Any suggestions for a cure would be welcome.

R


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:50 AM

Joe, what devices are you using?

I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 recording interface/mic pre-amp, and I also use a Focusrite VRM-Box monitor simulator. Both seem to be fine, they show up in the drop-down lists for input/output devices, and I've used them for listening to playback. I don't record and mix in Audacity - I use Reaper - but I do use Audacity for some editing and FX.

All seems fine for me, but I guess if you're using other devices, there may be drivers missing or some kind of conflict somewhere?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:04 AM

Oh my....


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:57 PM

Sameroblem as Sir Roger. CD/DVD drive has vanished without trace. Anything I can find on the intertube implies that it will at least be visible in Device Manager but it isn't.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:17 AM

My computers (desktop and laptop) still say that I'm waiting for my turn. Win Update says "Upgrade to Windows 10 (has) failed".


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:35 AM

I have now reverted to windows 7 and my DVD player/burner is working fine again! I will wait a few months to see if these issues are sorted out before I try W10 again.

R


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:55 AM

Your DVD player/burner did not work because the Windows Media Player does not exist in Win 10.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:04 AM

Windows Media Player is alive and well on my Windows 10 PC. It jsut doesn't admit the existence of my CD/DVD drive. It's available in the Store if you haven't got it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:31 AM

My mobile phone is a Nokia Lumia 920

I really like the way Win 8.1 is implemented and working on this phone.
I prefer it to android [certainly now after the discovery of android stagefright bug].

I was kinda looking forward to the win 10 mobile phone upgrade...

not so sure now...???


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:38 AM

My DVD Drive works fine with Win 10.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:27 PM

more from my newsgroup:

"Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier
of their activity":

https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html

"...the company faces accusations of not only failing to listen to the
feedback it asks for, but deleting from the Feedback app and forums any
suggestions it does not like.":

http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/microsoft-stands-accused-of-deleting-windows-10-insider-feedback-it-doesnt-like/

"Consumer groups have slammed Microsoft for its policy of forced updates
for Windows 10, which is hitting customers in remote locations with
massive bill shocks by blowing out their data caps.":

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/fears-windows-10-will-blow-data-caps-20150817-gj0i98.html


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:31 PM

one follow up from a poster:

>"Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier
>of their activity":
>
> https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html
>
>I don't know if this is bullshit or not. I don't use Windows 10.

        I think it's true. I tried to log into my 15 year old hotmail
account, but it would not let me see my mail unless I gave them my
cell or land phone number "so they could get a voice sample". I
suppose they don't have one, because I've never used Skype and I cut
the microphone wires.
        While I was swearing at them an ad popped up telling me I
could "keep an eye on my kids" by turning on their webcam and mikes
and spying on them through Microsoft. Apparently, this "feature" is
free. They also offered to take care of my accounts and "alert me" if
I was over-spending. Also "free".


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:37 PM

Haven't seen anything like that.
When I installed, I ignored the 'Express Install' option, and switched all the tracking stuff off.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:15 PM

OK, I take it back. Windows Media Player is alive but rather poorly on my PC under Windows 10.
The good news... I managed to get my DVD/CD drive working again by following Method 2 here http://www.askvg.com/optical-drives-are-not-showing-in-my-computer/.
The bad news... My external hard drive disappeared.
The good news... I closed down, unplugged the drive, restarted and plugged it back in again. It reappeared AND, it didn't push out the DVD/CD drive!!!.
Why do I get a sense of achievement by succeeding in doing something I shouldn't have had to do in the first place?

P.S. I have acquired a G: drive which seems to be my printer with zero space on it. Weird.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:20 PM

...and another thing. Windows Media Player isn't available in the Store. Sorry. There is something called "Windows media Player install". It isn't clear what it does and I don't feel inclined to spend £1.89 finding out.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:58 PM

I had installed Windows 10 successfully on 6 computers, so I was feeling good about the process. I had a couple hours to spare, so I decided to do two more installations. Both went south. One problem wasn't horrible - it wouldn't register Google Chrome, but I could solve that problem by using another browser or a workaround I devised.

The second problem was really bad - I tried installing Windows 10 on a compact Lenovo computer that had Windows 7. The installation went normally until I tried to log in. The screen told me to "wait a moment while we set up your apps." Then it said, "this is taking a little longer than expected, but installation will soon be complete.

When it completed, the screen kept flashing off and on, and nothing would work. I googled for a solution, and found that hundreds of people had the same problem. The only solution was to revert to the previous version of Windows. I did that, but it took a long, long time. I finished work at 11 PM.

I think I'll hold off on more installations for a couple months, hoping Microsoft comes up with solutions. All but the last two of the computers I converted work wonderfully, but I haven't upgraded any of our key employees, because losing their data would be a real problem.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:08 PM

Joe, did you run the 'check your computer is ready for Win 10' routine in the 'Get Win 10' app? It sounds like you had something, maybe a graphics card driver, that's not good for the upgrade?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,EBarnacle on the road
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:49 PM

This from one of my correspondents:

Media Player can be substituted with VLC (Free).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 15 - 12:35 AM

But VLC can't run an over-the-air schedule and use the receiver in the computer like a DVR.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:42 PM

http://isourforestreallyours.com/Isourforestreallyours/Ep_9.html


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Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:46 PM

Well! THAT wasn't supposed to happen. I hope an elf deletes my last post, even tho it's an important one that has nothing to do with M$.

Here... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/windows-10-1.3223168


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