Tech: Windows 10-what's happening - updates

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Sep 19 - 07:03 PM

Some upgrades have a click allowing the worker to bypass the self identification. Others don't seem to.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 09:55 AM

I think that's a no-brainer. Aren't we discussing individuals working on their own computers? IT folks have a protocol for installing computers for other people.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:24 AM

SRA, if you are installing for others, you don't want your secure info in the computer.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:37 PM

The former version of Windows 10 is being replaced with stuff being rolled out now. Here's more information:

Microsoft patches two zero-days in massive September 2019 Patch Tuesday

Microsoft's September 2019 Patch Tuesday comes with 80 fixes, 17 of which are for critical bugs.

Microsoft has published today 80 security fixes across 15 products and services, as part of the company's monthly batch of security updates, known as Patch Tuesday.

Of the 80 vulnerabilities patched today, two are so-called zero-days -- security flaws that had been exploited in the wild before Microsoft released fixes.

TWO ZERO-DAYS
The two zero-days are CVE-2019-1214 and CVE-2019-1215. Both are elevation of privilege (EoP) vulnerabilities. These types of vulnerabilities are usually exploited by malware to gain the ability to run malicious code with administrator privileges on (previously) infected hosts.

The first bug, CVE-2019-1214, is an EoP in the Windows Common Log File System (CLFS) driver. The second, CVE-2019-1215, impacts the ws2ifsl.sys (Winsock) service.

As usual, Microsoft didn't reveal any details of how the two bugs were being exploited in the wild, only acknowledging a security researcher from Qihoo 360 Vulcan Team with discovering the first.

NEW RDP VULNERABILITIES
All in all, this month's Patch Tuesday is as bulky as all the Patch Tuesday releases have been in recent months, which have regularly ballooned at over 70 fixed bugs on a regular basis.

Also just like in recent months, Microsoft patched remote code execution bugs in the Remote Desktop Protocol. This month, there have been only two -- CVE-2019-1290 and CVE-2019-1291.

Both bugs were discovered by Microsoft's internal team, and unlike the BlueKeep and DejaBlue vulnerabilities disclosed in May and August, Microsoft didn't say if these two could be abused to create self-spreading wormable malware/exploits.

NON-MICROSOFT SECURITY UPDATES
Since the Microsoft Patch Tuesday is also the day when other vendors release security patches, system administrators may also want to install patches released today by Adobe and SAP.

More in-depth information on today's Patch Tuesday updates is available on Microsoft's official Security Update Guide portal. Readers can also check out the table embedded below, this Patch Tuesday report generated by ZDNet, or this one, put together by Trend Micro.

This is followed by an extensive list of vulnerabilities.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 08 Sep 19 - 11:33 PM

You don't need to take it offline, but you do need to click past that and use your own logon information. That has been something with Microsoft for probably the last 15 years, and they're trying very hard to channel you into their network.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 08 Sep 19 - 11:27 PM

I have discussed an annoying issue with a tech friend. Windows may ask you to sign in with a Microsoft account. To avoid this, when the screen comes up asking for personal or business, Take the machine off line and it will assign the owner name "used" for you. You can then [at the next step] plug your internet cable back in and proceed.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 09:50 AM

I have Cortana turned off as much as I can. It never is allowed to function in any of my searches, etc. I also have a hood over my web cam atop one of my monitors to keep it from any facial recognition activity.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,SB
Date: 06 Sep 19 - 09:35 AM

The latest Win 10 update for Sep. 2019 is alerted to screw up many PCs. Apparently Cortana has been set to soak up memory and slow down machines to non-usability. Google to find the specific app. to remove.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 10:59 AM

Our Fujitsu Esprimo laptop I only upgraded to windows 10 to see if it would run on that ancient machine, which it does, although audio crackles badly. I found a Vista driver which is supposed to work with the Esprimo which was an improvement, but when we get back from our holiday I'll look for the Vista drivers disc that came in the box. Failing that, I'll reinstall Windows 7 and stick with last updates available, it only gets used on holiday so not important.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 10:10 AM

I'm finally using a system that CAME WITH Win 10 Pro, and that makes things easier. The upgrades from Win 7 were a little glitchy.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 07:56 AM

Depending on the machine and the flavor of the previous system, it has taken anywhere from 90 minutes to 4 hours. The fastest was from W7 Pro using as flash drive.

The tool gives you the option of a download to either a DVD or a USB device. Personally, I like the flash drive if I am not installing directly.

The worst error I have made was not having the machine hooked to the internet while doing the upgrade. That cost me the time to revert to W7, then reinstall W10 Pro. I do like the feature that the media automatically selects the version you get for the upgrade.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:48 AM

Yes, I have upgraded to W10 possibly 10 times now, including our 2005 Fujitsu Esprimo laptop which shipped with Vista. I also backtracked to W7 a couple of times as well - because I could. Easiest method I found was from usb stick, then you don't need up to 4 hours by your PC.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 03 Sep 19 - 01:07 AM

OK, w10 has had several years to get rid of its teething pains. BUT Microsoft is discontinuing support for W7 this coming January. DO NOT PANIC!!! You can still get W10 for free from Microsoft.

Just enter "download Windows 10" into your search engine and look for the link that says "Media creation tool." Follow the instructions and you should have no trouble. I've done 8 machines this week, including machines that were password protected. [I did not have the passwords.] If your machine has a valid key, enter it if you are asked for it. I only had one ask me and, after I entered it, everything rolled merrily along.

With the protected machines, use the tool to put the [universal] upgrade on a disk or thumb drive and use the boot Options on your opening menu.

Have fun. The only machines that have fought ack were two with Atom processors.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:46 PM

Well! THAT wasn't supposed to happen. I hope an elf deletes my last post, even tho it's an important one that has nothing to do with M$.

Here... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/windows-10-1.3223168

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:42 PM

http://isourforestreallyours.com/Isourforestreallyours/Ep_9.html

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Aug 15 - 12:35 AM

But VLC can't run an over-the-air schedule and use the receiver in the computer like a DVR.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,EBarnacle on the road
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:49 PM

This from one of my correspondents:

Media Player can be substituted with VLC (Free).

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:08 PM

Joe, did you run the 'check your computer is ready for Win 10' routine in the 'Get Win 10' app? It sounds like you had something, maybe a graphics card driver, that's not good for the upgrade?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:58 PM

I had installed Windows 10 successfully on 6 computers, so I was feeling good about the process. I had a couple hours to spare, so I decided to do two more installations. Both went south. One problem wasn't horrible - it wouldn't register Google Chrome, but I could solve that problem by using another browser or a workaround I devised.

The second problem was really bad - I tried installing Windows 10 on a compact Lenovo computer that had Windows 7. The installation went normally until I tried to log in. The screen told me to "wait a moment while we set up your apps." Then it said, "this is taking a little longer than expected, but installation will soon be complete.

When it completed, the screen kept flashing off and on, and nothing would work. I googled for a solution, and found that hundreds of people had the same problem. The only solution was to revert to the previous version of Windows. I did that, but it took a long, long time. I finished work at 11 PM.

I think I'll hold off on more installations for a couple months, hoping Microsoft comes up with solutions. All but the last two of the computers I converted work wonderfully, but I haven't upgraded any of our key employees, because losing their data would be a real problem.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:20 PM

...and another thing. Windows Media Player isn't available in the Store. Sorry. There is something called "Windows media Player install". It isn't clear what it does and I don't feel inclined to spend £1.89 finding out.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:15 PM

OK, I take it back. Windows Media Player is alive but rather poorly on my PC under Windows 10.
The good news... I managed to get my DVD/CD drive working again by following Method 2 here http://www.askvg.com/optical-drives-are-not-showing-in-my-computer/.
The bad news... My external hard drive disappeared.
The good news... I closed down, unplugged the drive, restarted and plugged it back in again. It reappeared AND, it didn't push out the DVD/CD drive!!!.
Why do I get a sense of achievement by succeeding in doing something I shouldn't have had to do in the first place?

P.S. I have acquired a G: drive which seems to be my printer with zero space on it. Weird.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:37 PM

Haven't seen anything like that.
When I installed, I ignored the 'Express Install' option, and switched all the tracking stuff off.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:31 PM

one follow up from a poster:

>"Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier
>of their activity":
>
> https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html
>
>I don't know if this is bullshit or not. I don't use Windows 10.

        I think it's true. I tried to log into my 15 year old hotmail
account, but it would not let me see my mail unless I gave them my
cell or land phone number "so they could get a voice sample". I
suppose they don't have one, because I've never used Skype and I cut
the microphone wires.
        While I was swearing at them an ad popped up telling me I
could "keep an eye on my kids" by turning on their webcam and mikes
and spying on them through Microsoft. Apparently, this "feature" is
free. They also offered to take care of my accounts and "alert me" if
I was over-spending. Also "free".

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:27 PM

more from my newsgroup:

"Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier
of their activity":

https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html

"...the company faces accusations of not only failing to listen to the
feedback it asks for, but deleting from the Feedback app and forums any
suggestions it does not like.":

http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/microsoft-stands-accused-of-deleting-windows-10-insider-feedback-it-doesnt-like/

"Consumer groups have slammed Microsoft for its policy of forced updates
for Windows 10, which is hitting customers in remote locations with
massive bill shocks by blowing out their data caps.":

http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/fears-windows-10-will-blow-data-caps-20150817-gj0i98.html

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:38 AM

My DVD Drive works fine with Win 10.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:31 AM

My mobile phone is a Nokia Lumia 920

I really like the way Win 8.1 is implemented and working on this phone.
I prefer it to android [certainly now after the discovery of android stagefright bug].

I was kinda looking forward to the win 10 mobile phone upgrade...

not so sure now...???

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:04 AM

Windows Media Player is alive and well on my Windows 10 PC. It jsut doesn't admit the existence of my CD/DVD drive. It's available in the Store if you haven't got it.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:55 AM

Your DVD player/burner did not work because the Windows Media Player does not exist in Win 10.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:35 AM

I have now reverted to windows 7 and my DVD player/burner is working fine again! I will wait a few months to see if these issues are sorted out before I try W10 again.

R

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: artbrooks
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:17 AM

My computers (desktop and laptop) still say that I'm waiting for my turn. Win Update says "Upgrade to Windows 10 (has) failed".

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: TheSnail
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:57 PM

Sameroblem as Sir Roger. CD/DVD drive has vanished without trace. Anything I can find on the intertube implies that it will at least be visible in Device Manager but it isn't.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:04 AM

Oh my....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:50 AM

Joe, what devices are you using?

I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 recording interface/mic pre-amp, and I also use a Focusrite VRM-Box monitor simulator. Both seem to be fine, they show up in the drop-down lists for input/output devices, and I've used them for listening to playback. I don't record and mix in Audacity - I use Reaper - but I do use Audacity for some editing and FX.

All seems fine for me, but I guess if you're using other devices, there may be drivers missing or some kind of conflict somewhere?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:33 AM

I, too, now have a problem with audio - the DVD reader/writer is not recognised as being present.

Any suggestions for a cure would be welcome.

R

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:05 AM

I see that Audacity works for Backwoodsman, but it's not working for me on Windows 10. Audacity can't find my audio devices. I hope they come up with a solution soon.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:30 PM

..though having said that.. seeing as microsoft has decided to deny users any* options to control what and when updates are downloaded and installed..

how the f@ck are we supposed to know when to protect our system and create a restore point,
if all updates are just imposed & installed without warning !!!!???


[* ok - it seems there is one user option - to decide when to restart after download and install....

yes.... effin 'restart'...!!!!!!!😠 ]

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM

oh yeah.. btw.. the lesson I've learned is to try to get back in the habit of creating a manual restore point before every 'update'...

Definitely not to trust Windows to do it for me...

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:59 AM

My 'upgrade' to win 10 on a brand new unused Lenovo PC processed very easily and seemed to work fine for nearly a day
until I noticed it was failing to restart after some software and driver updates.
Then after repeated attepmts to update some intel drivers for Win 10 after 'Lenovo Companion' stated they were necessary,
Restart failed completely, and never worked again..

That's why I rolled back to Win 8.1.
But restart still failed to work.

So resorted to lenovo onekey recovery back to factory reset.

Now it functions fine in win 8.1, but when I tried to create a recovery drive,
I get a message stating components are missing and I need the Windows 8.1 install disc,
which of course the manufacturer does not supply.....😫

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:35 AM

It IS an easy transition.

That said, updates have been coming in and one of them messed up the Windows update facility so I had to roll back the system to its state before the update. That caused a few glitches in other programs that had updated since but that was mostly easily fixed.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 08:59 AM

Backed up my entire PC to my external HDD last night, then installed Win 10. Went as smooth as a baby's bottom, no hiccups or problems of any sort. Didn't do the express install, I used the options to switch off as much of the tracking stuff as possible.

First impression is that, for the average Joe like me who just does a bit of surfing the web, online shopping, email, Farcebook, The Mudcat Mental Asylum, a few spreadsheets, a bit of word processing, it's not much different to Win 8.1 in terms of use. I realise that there's probably more going on under the surface that the tinfoil-hat brigade are bricking it over, but for what I imagine are the vast majority of people, it's very similar to its predecessor.

Everything seems to work fine - my internet security, Office 2013, Reaper, Audacity, Pro-Tools First, FlightRadar 24, Photoshop, everything.

Early days, but looking good, at least for the moment.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:36 PM

I've spent today taming 8.1 to my minimalist requirements.

This'll be the 3rd or 4th time I done it in recent months,
and I think I'm getting the hang of where most important options & disable tick boxes are hidden....

.. almost feeling at home now with 8.1

[but my wish list hi power audio PC will still be installed with win 7 pro, just for the sake of informed stubborness...]

Anyway, I really did want to like Win 10 and expect to give it another try before too long...
Though the restriction on user control of updates is a big discomfort, verging on deal breaker for me.

It does seem less confused than a new factory fresh install of win 8.1...
just for some reason the installation was broken on my brand new budget price Lenovo PC ???

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:13 PM

Thanks EB. Useful stuff.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 10:00 AM

If you do decide to go with Windows 10, this may help you maintain your privacy and your sanity.

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Programming/OS/How_to_opt_out_of_Windows_10_s_default_data_tracking_in_4_steps.aspx

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 02:25 AM

"One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem...."

It's been doing that for quite a while on my Win 8.1 machine. I'm getting updates at the rate of a dozen a day, but even though I run the updates manually, the Restart falls over. I do the bottom-pressing thing, then it tells me that it couldn't finish the updates, and it's undoing the changes it made. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhh!!

It's a PITA. I don't see how Win 10 can possibly be any worse than 8.1. I'm going to do the upgrade -assuming the download of Win 10 (which the app has been telling me is "downloading in the background" for the past ten days) ever happens.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 06:40 PM

So..... after the roll back to Win 8.1, "Restart" still didn't work.

Tired and frustrated, as a last resort - pressed the Lenovo OneKey recovery button..

Factory reset, and back to square one setting up a new Win 8.1 PC;
and Restart now seems to have been repaired and working again...

CONCLUSION: Two wasted days and nights, one brand new PC at risk of being buggered...

Will I risk trying Win 10 again..? maybe... perhaps once more before the free 12 months expires...
Definitely if microsoft relents and reinstores user control of updates.


I do think it's a huge improvement on Win 8.1,
but when both are stripped of the gimmick apps and reduced to minimal XP / Win 7 style appearance,
Can't say I really see any significant improvement.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 03:49 PM

Ok - Restart fails every time now.

So I did a system restore back to just after the Win 10 'upgrade',
and Resart still doesn't work.

So am now rolling back to Win 8.1

Remember - this is a brand new never been used Win 8.1 PC
and I'm a reasonably experiences and seriously cautious computer user..

Count me as not too impressed if the Win 10 'upgrade' can eff up this machine


Oh for f@cks sake - it looks like the roll back to 8.1 has froze and left hanging on the Lenovo start image !!!!????..


I'll leave the bastard for a fair time while I get a meal....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:58 PM

I've installed Windows 10 on 5 computers so far, with no problems on any of them. I'm hoping this will add to the life span of some of our aging Windows 7 computers.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:15 PM

Spent a few hours disabling / uninstalling as much unwanted kiddie apps as I could find....

and obviously making it resemble stripped down utilitarian XP / win 7 as best I can.

My opinion is it is a lot better organized and less user irritating than 8.1....

but apart from that I don't fell any wow factor advantage over win 7 ????

I really dislike the lack of update options.
and am sensibly suspicious of the possible extent of the data harvesting.

One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:39 AM

I'm with Nick. So far no problems at all with win 10.

R

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:29 AM

I saw a television advertisement for windows 10 a little while ago. The message they were putting across seemed to be that they had designed it for pre-school children.