Tech: Windows 10-what's happening - updates

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: BrooklynJay
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 03:17 PM

Same here. This happened to me a few days back. I even looked where the "hidden icons" lurk (and where I had been consigning the notification) and found it wasn't there, either.


Jay

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 03:31 PM

Am I wrong to think the app was to reserve the upgrade before its release and it has now disappeared when it wasn't used prior to the roll out?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 04:29 PM

Here's what's happening with MY rollout... my laptop is fucked. More details as they become available. If you wanna go for it, do a full backup and create restore points. I didn't because I don't keep any files on mine BUT, it may looks like I will lose my security software and I just pray that I can reinstall it without too many problems. We'll see. Fuck I hate M$.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 30 Jul 15 - 05:21 PM

I just took a bunch of pictures (dunno how they will turn out as taking pics of a monitor with a camera sometimes turns out poorly) but I will post them at FB Mudcat when I get a chance. Seems odd to me that all these can be navigated but "Your PC did not start properly... ". Leads to SO many other screens and options. ???? I mean, if it didn't start, how can this be?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: artbrooks
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 12:09 PM

New PC World articles:

How to Install Win 10 (focus seems to be on how to do it if you don't want to wait for MS to get around to you)

Who Should/Shouldn't Upgrade to Win 10 (includes some info for XP and Vista users)

There is absolutely no hope for Gnu.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 01:35 PM

So, two days in, I still think it's fine. Ofcourse there are a few teething issues, Windows now seems unable to find files on my (Nikon) camera (although I can transfer the lot of them via Nikon ViewNX-i) which is a major inconvenience if I want to lift one or two images for immediate use.

And there's the Photos app. Really, what were they thinking? I have about 12-15000 photos on my computer, Photos picks out a few hundred randomly and arranges them in albums by date and there's nothing you can do to change anything about it it. I can't determine the underlying thought, if ever there was one, and find the whole app, that Microsoft sets as default if you let them, completely useless.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 03:48 PM

"There is absolutely no hope for Gnu." Was there ever?

I have been advised by my top geek... reset to factory condition.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu**!

BTW... my question in the WIN community forum has not been answered.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Don Firth
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 03:56 PM

Well . . . I seem to be galumphing along okay with Windows 7, so as they say, "If it works, don't fix it!"

I don't want my computer turning into Hal 9000 and locking me out of the ship, so unless I hear of some compelling reason to shift to Windows 10, for the time being at least, I think I'll leave things as they are.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 07:24 PM

Six hours into the reset and I am at update 65 of 165... there's one I decided to wait on because it's a big bugger. BTW, I have high speed cable and an Intel Core I5. HP laptop.

Wait for the bug fixes before you jump. I figured I would be okay because I have no personal files on the laptop. It's just for internUt weather reports and such when the power goes out and for watching You Tube vids on my big scream TV. Thank goodness!

It installed Norton so I'll have to mess with that bullshit tomorrow and hope my ESET and Malwarebytes will reinstall without... oh shit, who am I kidding?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 08:19 PM

I'm guessing that I am one of the majority of the millions of folk who have done this with little hassle.

From my end on two very different machines -

* a recently bought windows 8.1 laptop
* a (quite full 80% of a 1tb drive) windows7 machine with all my important stuff on and MANY programs

They both just work

Audio via M-audio works
All my recording stuff works

I have not had to reinstall or fix anything

I think that (from a software point of view and deployment of millions of downloads with almost nil support via people - has anyone phoned microsoft?) it is an astouding piece of delivery of development

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 31 Jul 15 - 11:22 PM

re: Phoning Microsoft forget about the official lines. Once I had a problem [many years ago] that would not wait. I called information for the office number and got it. When I got through, the person who picked it up said "How did you get this number?" I told them and they took care of me right away.
This may still work.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 11:12 AM

FYI

Some of the details of what M$ has set as defaults in Win10 (from a post in alt.comp.freeware)

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 03:01 PM

You DO need to go through settings and disallow them to harvest all sort of stuff about what you do on your machine in aid of their targeted advertising program. As well as the rights they assume using files stored on One Drive etc. Quite a lot of it actually. The same holds true for Google, Facebook and many other sites and software providers.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 05:00 PM

She's operational except for blowing out Norton and TRYING to reinstall ESET and Malwarebytes without any problems. HAHAHAHA! Yeah, right. Fuck M$.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 07:02 PM

If you automate the installation it will set their new "Edge" browser as default browser and Bing as the default search. You can change those, but with a few steps and hunting. If you customize the installation you can choose those things during the install.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 01 Aug 15 - 11:08 PM

Microsoft has automated 'herding sheeple' with an automated Border Collie.... the few sheeple that get away by customizing installation will still be tracked and harassed.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:15 PM

Hahahahaa!

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:25 PM

I installed yesterday and all was well but this morning it takes ages to boot into my profile and the comes up with a critical error as start menu, task bar and cortana won't load. Also my second user profile has gone. My advice would be to wait a while I wish I had!

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 02 Aug 15 - 05:36 PM

Cortana will be the first thing I disable.

Tried it for about 5 minutes on my windows mobile phone before I got too annoyed with her...

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 06:00 AM

By all accounts Cortana is by and large a data gathering exercise and I'd disable her for that reason alone. Microsoft does not need to know how I write, what my interests are etc just to send me targeted advertising. I really dislike the whole internet turning into a marketing environment and I am blocking all of it as much as I can.

But that said, Cortana is not enabled in Ireland so we don't get to worry about that yet.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 11:12 AM

The image I posted back there was shared by a very well-respected computer expert. He has since added these comments as part of a discussion with a doubter: single > are from the doubter he is debating. double >> are repeat quotes from the expert who is trying to warn people. *I* still have a year to think about it, and I have a Win XP machine that will be retired sometime this year, and 2 Win 7 Professional machines (one brand new) that I seem to have control over. I rather expect that I will survive without M$ 'enhanced' updates... if not, I will take them offline and switch to Linux.
===================================================================
(This first remark follows the image that I, Bill D, linked to)


IMHO, it is scary what people not only accept, but actually *embrace*
when sth. is marketed as shiny-new / must-have / limited time free
update / afterwards always free /...

Only Enterprise edition *seems* to offer a reasonable level of privacy
and control of update selection. Time will show, if it really does...
The other editions are Big Bother at full scale in standard setup, and
Big Bother standing foot-in-door even when configured most restricted.

Not that Android (e.g.) is noticeably better, though... :-(

----------------[then follows the debate]

>> IMHO, it is scary what people not only accept, but actually *embrace*
[...]
> Well it's pretty obvious that most of those highlighted T&C's relate to
> Cortana.

Forced Updates (not only security-wise, but also unknown functionality),
forced re-enabling of switched-off settings, telemetry, monitoring and
optional access_to /upload_of private files and data,... - That's not
"just Cortana". :-(

Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB would probably be the edition, that
could be worth a look for privacy-concerned home users. But since it
only is sold through business channels, MSDN or Technet ("Platforms"
has more-the-less been canceled, though), it isn't too easy to come
by for the average user. And it ain't cheep in small quantities, since
it requires an /additional/ "normal" base license of Win7 or later.

> There was a lot of fuss here about Windows Search which is now a
> component of Cortana. Time will tell whether Cortana will be successful but
> I can only speak with any authority about Windows Search. For me spidering
> all my files and emails has been a godsend.

I don't need to /search/ for my files. Although I have several TByte of
programs and data, I simply /access/ them. Well-structured filing system
and descriptive folder and file names aren't that hard to maintain.
/When/ for once I do search, then inside one or very few subfolder(s).
No need for indexing. If deemed necessary, folders get additional
Info-files. And that's it. More important than search is quick filtering
inside large folders, i.e. reducing the files shown while typing a filter
condition. - Something, that decent file managers have been providing
for years...
----------------------

> Forced security updates is a good thing.

No, it is not. MS (and most other software vendors) just designed the update
process in a way, that any alternative to forced automatism *seems* far too
complicated and time-consuming for average users. The information that is
delivered with most updates is laughable; the necessity to follow a link
for each KB article separately - about not only details, but even the most
general information - is ridiculous.

MS disabled whole businesses (let alone millions of home PC's) by sending
out broken updates in past. Apart from that: The day someone manages to
intercept the update process and sends malicious code along it, the world
will notice the idiocy of unattended automatic updates...

> I've yet to use Windows 10 in anger so I'll see what else is really
> forced upon me.

Question is, *why* MS is so persistent in emphasizing, that even with
disabled auto-update for new features and additional apps, those updates
will be rolled-out to Win10Pro and standard Win10Enterprise users after
8 months, with /no/ chance for opt-out?! From a marketing POV, such a
statement is a general trade-off for acceptance. It only makes sense,
when the potential future trade-off will be even bigger. (Create facts,
while people still are eager to jump on the shiny-new train.)

> There's always shovel loads of FUD every time there's a new release
> of Windows.

There have been great technical improvements "under the hood" in past
and quite a few debatable design decisions, as well. But I really can't
imagine, what got into MS, to create the privacy and security disaster
Win10. (All editions except probably Enterprise LTSB.) I guess, it will
be (commercially) successful, anyways. - Although companies ought to
(probably will) be really reluctant before incorporating it.

But, IMHO, an independent evaluation of the code base and the data
acquisition scope/amount surely seems to be in order. If the US gov
isn't concerned, maybe the EU will be. In the past, the NT core was
considered en route to mathematical proof for important aspects of
security. Since WinXP, such considerations don't seem to matter even
a bit, anymore... :-(

> Turning on the anti-virus seems like a good idea to me.

If I turn off AV, I do it for good reason. If a multi-day calculation
breaks on a stand-alone workstation (= no Internet), just because MS
seems it appropriate to turn on an interfering process by some internal
timer event, they won't get easily on friendly terms with me ever again!
There *might* be some reasoning pro "forced security" on Home editions.
With Pro and Enterprise, any decision of sysadmins (or authorized
power users) *has* to be respected!

> Windows always has had extensive monitoring. Developers need feedback.
> Don't feedback, don't get stuff fixed. I don't believe it's a ruse. It's
> necessary.

*I* decide, what information leaves my PC. Any other approach is
unacceptable. Besides, the scope of the data acquisition rights that
MS demands in conjunction with usage of Win10 exceeds crash dumps and
the like, by far. Btw., sending crash dumps /can/ be disabled for
Win10 Home and Pro; sending "diagnostic and usage data" (whatever
that means), however, is always switched-on on these systems. Maybe,
communication data is far more interesting than crash reports...

>> Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB would probably be the edition, that
>> could be worth a look for privacy-concerned home users. But since it
>> only is sold through business channels, MSDN or Technet ("Platforms"
>> has more-the-less been canceled, though), it isn't too easy to come
>> by for the average user. And it ain't cheep in small quantities, since
>> it requires an /additional/ "normal" base license of Win7 or later.
>
> Most people don't have time or the skills to make any kind of informed
> judgment about any of this stuff, and none of us a significant amount of
> it.

Informed decisions can be based on recommendations. Therefore, /some/
people could suggest an appropriate edition and useful settings. Other
people could create scripts for automatically incorporating community-
approved sets of settings (like Black Vipers service managing scripts).
But how can this work, when the only suitable edition is practically
unavailable (and much too expensive) for the majority of all users?

> The bottom line is. Do you trust Microsoft. If you don't. Don't use
> their OS.

No. The bottom line is: Don't accept bad decisions. Complain, criticize.
If enough do it, MS will adjust. (As it did in past.) DOC / EU or other
governmental departments may interfere. (As they did in past, as well.)
Make sure to create a climate, where it doesn't really matter, how much
you trust MS or any other firm (or their employees). Software has to be
transparent about what it does and why. And software companies have to
issue self-committing declarations pro privacy of their users, that are
/enforceable/ and linked to /severe/ penalties.

>> I don't need to /search/ for my files. Although I have several TByte of
>> programs and data, I simply /access/ them. Well-structured filing system
>> and descriptive folder and file names aren't that hard to maintain.
>> /When/ for once I do search, then inside one or very few subfolder(s).
>> No need for indexing. If deemed necessary, folders get additional
>> Info-files. And that's it. More important than search is quick filtering
>> inside large folders, i.e. reducing the files shown while typing a filter
>> condition. - Something, that decent file managers have been providing
>> for years...
>
> Yeah, I used to try and do that, then I realised the power of indexing, and
> my life just got easier

Organizing data is no more time-consuming than dumping it. Organizing
and/or managing dumps of data, OTOH, is.
-------------------------------

>> the only suitable edition [ Win10 Enterprise SA per-user LTSB] is
>> practically unavailable (and much too expensive) for the majority of
>> all users?
>
> I think you are jumping the gun here. It always takes six months for little
> bits of freeware to arrive on the scene to fix whatever MS has missed out
> of the latest version. It's always been that way. The fixes always arrive.
> Why do you think the sky is going to fall this time.

The problem is routed in the licensing terms and the implied reasoning
behind creating such terms. It is one thing to correct a bad/unwanted
design decision by a freeware tool. It is a whole 'nother matter working
against an OS, which is /meant/ to violate your privacy and denies even
sysadmins the right to configure major security and privacy aspects
without jumping through hoops. (Which may - consistent with the licensing
terms - closed or replaced by a backdoor by an automated update just the
other day.)

As Android is to strictly be avoided in businesses on grounds of privacy
and security concerns, Win10 in most editions is now, as well. Because
of the immense market share of Windows on Desktop PC's and workstations,
most companies (and government agencies, NGO's,...) can not choose to
avoid Windows OS on near future. Therefore, MS new concept of Windows
as a service - combined with the new licensing - becomes, IMHO, a clear
matter of antitrust investigations and most likely requires prosecution.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Joe G
Date: 03 Aug 15 - 05:51 PM

My problem was caused by my installing Avast Free AV - apparently it conflicts with Windows Defender which is now an AV programme - though not sure how good it is! I did a system restore and it is working ok now

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 05:55 PM

I installed it today and am very happy with it, everything works like a charm and the text looks sharper and the colours brighter. No complaints (yet) from this cybernaut.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 05:58 PM

I forgot to mention that it makes my computer faster too.....what's not to like?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Aug 15 - 06:05 PM

We shall see what's not to like, perhaps. Did you bother to read my C&P from the guy who has worries?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Woodsie
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 08:21 AM

It will make things faster, sure but so will any OS when first installed. The biggest problem is that it turns folders into "read only" and this can't always be changed, even using the command prompt/attribute etc. It has made my Windows.old folder read only! So I can't roll back to Windows 7 as promised by microsoft. I had one of their engineers take remote control of my machine for over an hour this morningand he couldn't fathom it out! He said they were inundated with calls about this! He has escalated te problem to the "next tier" and I have an appointment for a super tech to try again on Friday.
A google search shoes that this problem is widespread.Other than this stuff the OS looks OK and I'm sure it will be when the problems are ironed out Ha ha!

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 08:47 AM

After my catastrophic fatal hard drive crash of a month ago,
I bought a cheap bargain desktop preloaded with win 8.1 with a view to update to win 10.

I immediately disliked win 8.1, but after disabling much of the bloatware
and making it look as much like XP / win 7 as possible...

I think I'm actually starting to warm to 8.1 and now feel more reservations about a too hasty 'upgrade' to win 10 ???

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 05 Aug 15 - 09:06 AM

I am in the same sort of situation, my XP computer died last february and I had to replace it with a Win 8.1 one. I had just gotten used to it, more or less. I went with the upgrade and don't really regret it, not yet anyway. I like the look and the menus of Win 10 better than those in 8.1 and while there's a certain getting used to needed, I haven't encountered any problems. I did do heavy alterations to the default (privacy) settings the new Windows came with but that is par for the course with any major software these days.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM

Not that anyone will bother, but here's another warning:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/06/microsoft_vacates_moral_high_ground_for_the_data_slurpers_cesspit/

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 12:21 PM

Last month's hard drive calamity gave me the kick up the arse to start playing with linux
as soon as I installed a new hard drive on the old machine [AV Linux]

I then bought 2 identical cheap Win 8.1 desktops.

One for secure online shopping and passworded personal finance stuff..

the other for mucking about on dodgy music and sordid titillation websites like mudcat and xhamster
[the vintage nudey stag movies are absolutely brilliant - but one site is slightly more folk oriented 😜]...

Still trying to decide which new PC is going to be the Win 10 tryout box ????

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 01:24 PM

A bit of thread-drift here,Mobutu is anyone else having problems with installing Win 8.1 updates? I run updates manually, not automatically, but it takes three or four attempts to get them to stick. Is it just me?

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 01:26 PM

Mobutu? WTF? Wasn't he an African leader of some sort?

BUT!!

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 06 Aug 15 - 07:43 PM

I've got a Windows XP computer I upgraded to Windows 7. Didn't like the sound of Windows 8. I'm not sure if I should try getting it to run Windows 10, which it likely could.

It'd be much simpler if they just improved the old system to remove the bugs and loopholes with as few changes as possible, especially the cosmetic ones.

I could understand if it was a matter of cynically making us buy new versions, but when they allow free upgrades it seems a bit pointless, change for the sale of change.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 07 Aug 15 - 09:54 AM

Good article at that link, Bill D. Thanks.

McGrath, Microsoft is trying to undo the damage that Windows 8 and 8.1 did to their market share. And while they're at it, to get everyone to compute in The Cloud. Even in Windows 8.1 it was difficult to make the computer use your local account, it wanted you to sign in and use a Hotmail or Outlook account and upload your data.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: gnu
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 07:20 PM

Still haven't tried to reinstall my security software on my laptop... lazy and still pissed off (and it's not a big deal). Talked to a buddy today who upgraded to W10 and he is furious! I told him he can go back to W7 within 30 days and he said 'first thing tomorrow'. He's got a bunch of software that W10 doesn't support but tells him he can 'upgrade' that software for X $ each.

Bottom line IMO... wait for at least six months and read up. I wish I had done so.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:54 AM

Lady Hillary and I have about 8 working computers between us. One is Win 8.1 which we will check out once we remove the password [Not as simple as it sounds as it's on a netbook], one is a Vista laptop and the rest are various permutations of Win 7. Three of the Win 7s are formerly XP machines.
In truth, we have had no problems with any of them except getting the password off. I suspect that the 8.1 machine will also be just fine. If the machines are running well, I do not believe we will migrate.
As I have said elsewhere 10 and 8 are for low capacity touch screen devices. As none of our machines meet this definition, why bother?
I happened to be at our local Office Depot and noted how cheap [in every sense] the new tablets and notebooks are in the store. This may be because everything has been externalized.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 11:43 AM

I'm just setting up a brand new out the box cheap bargain Lenovo win 8.1 desktop.
Near the end of the set up, a screen stated I can now auto upgrade immediately to win 10.

Why not, I'm prepared to take the risk...

... and it makes sense to do it on a clean previously unused PC ...???

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Bill D
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:24 PM

One more article about privacy and the "benefits" of not having any...

ya' gotta read carefully

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:34 PM

It's the Lenovo E50 preloaded with Win 8.1 with Bing [Build 9600]

£119 for a reasonable quality budget PC,
including fair quality USB mouse & keyboard.

[damn good bargain; bought two -
but - Ebuyer is the shitest online shop with the worst customer service I've ever encountered... I'll never buy from them again...]

Lenovo has loaded a "One Key Recovery", so providing it works - that should be the safety net
to roll back to factory reset
if for any reason I can't stand win 10...

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 02:55 PM

just finished upgrade to win 10.

time to take a break to eat a meal

When I get back first thing I'll do is install trial demo of Revo Uninstaller
to get rid of McAfee and other unwanted crap on this new PC....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Nick
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 04:21 PM

"He's got a bunch of software that W10 doesn't support but tells him he can 'upgrade' that software for X $ each."

I have yet to find a program that doesn't work so that's quite a different experience to mine. A quick look suggests I have well in excess of 250 programs installed and I have yet to find one that doesn't work - at random I just tried musescore, ableton live 8, dreamweaver cs3, an alternative version of Reaper and Paint Shop Pro 6. I haven't opened any of those since upgrading and they all work. Reaper which I record with via an M-Audio M-Track thing works fine. Teamviewer which I use a lot works fine and no hassle with favourites etc moving.
On this machine I don't use any 16 bit programs and have an old Xp machine if I need to

No apologist for Microsoft but have just found it all very easy and just carrying on with stuff as normal

Office 2000 is supposed to not work on Windows 8 and 10 but it does even from a clean install

Perhaps I'm lucky on the two machines I have (one old one newish) as I have colleagues at work who have had issues, but so far so good and I see no reason to go back.

I will, however, continue to manually tweak a lot of the privacy options as I am more blase sometimes than I probably should be.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 04:57 PM

Btw... I got through the entire process refusing to enter a microsoft account whenever prompted and nagged to log into one.

I don't have one, don't want one, and can't be arsed making up a fake one...

So let's see how long before I hit a brick wall without it...???

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST, topsie
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:29 AM

I saw a television advertisement for windows 10 a little while ago. The message they were putting across seemed to be that they had designed it for pre-school children.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Sir Roger de Beverley
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:39 AM

I'm with Nick. So far no problems at all with win 10.

R

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:15 PM

Spent a few hours disabling / uninstalling as much unwanted kiddie apps as I could find....

and obviously making it resemble stripped down utilitarian XP / win 7 as best I can.

My opinion is it is a lot better organized and less user irritating than 8.1....

but apart from that I don't fell any wow factor advantage over win 7 ????

I really dislike the lack of update options.
and am sensibly suspicious of the possible extent of the data harvesting.

One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Joe Offer
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 01:58 PM

I've installed Windows 10 on 5 computers so far, with no problems on any of them. I'm hoping this will add to the life span of some of our aging Windows 7 computers.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 03:49 PM

Ok - Restart fails every time now.

So I did a system restore back to just after the Win 10 'upgrade',
and Resart still doesn't work.

So am now rolling back to Win 8.1

Remember - this is a brand new never been used Win 8.1 PC
and I'm a reasonably experiences and seriously cautious computer user..

Count me as not too impressed if the Win 10 'upgrade' can eff up this machine


Oh for f@cks sake - it looks like the roll back to 8.1 has froze and left hanging on the Lenovo start image !!!!????..


I'll leave the bastard for a fair time while I get a meal....

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 06:40 PM

So..... after the roll back to Win 8.1, "Restart" still didn't work.

Tired and frustrated, as a last resort - pressed the Lenovo OneKey recovery button..

Factory reset, and back to square one setting up a new Win 8.1 PC;
and Restart now seems to have been repaired and working again...

CONCLUSION: Two wasted days and nights, one brand new PC at risk of being buggered...

Will I risk trying Win 10 again..? maybe... perhaps once more before the free 12 months expires...
Definitely if microsoft relents and reinstores user control of updates.


I do think it's a huge improvement on Win 8.1,
but when both are stripped of the gimmick apps and reduced to minimal XP / Win 7 style appearance,
Can't say I really see any significant improvement.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 02:25 AM

"One definite fault is the amount of times it's crashed during 'Restart'
- it'll switch off then hang on the opening reboot screen.

Which necessitates pressing the off switch, then pressing it to start back on again...

Most disconcerting during driver & software updates which require a restart !!!!

I am currently googling this unacceptable problem...."

It's been doing that for quite a while on my Win 8.1 machine. I'm getting updates at the rate of a dozen a day, but even though I run the updates manually, the Restart falls over. I do the bottom-pressing thing, then it tells me that it couldn't finish the updates, and it's undoing the changes it made. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrgggghhhhhh!!

It's a PITA. I don't see how Win 10 can possibly be any worse than 8.1. I'm going to do the upgrade -assuming the download of Win 10 (which the app has been telling me is "downloading in the background" for the past ten days) ever happens.

Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout
From: EBarnacle
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 10:00 AM

If you do decide to go with Windows 10, this may help you maintain your privacy and your sanity.

http://www.electronicproducts.com/Programming/OS/How_to_opt_out_of_Windows_10_s_default_data_tracking_in_4_steps.aspx