Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:13 PM Thanks EB. Useful stuff. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:36 PM I've spent today taming 8.1 to my minimalist requirements. This'll be the 3rd or 4th time I done it in recent months, and I think I'm getting the hang of where most important options & disable tick boxes are hidden.... .. almost feeling at home now with 8.1 [but my wish list hi power audio PC will still be installed with win 7 pro, just for the sake of informed stubborness...] Anyway, I really did want to like Win 10 and expect to give it another try before too long... Though the restriction on user control of updates is a big discomfort, verging on deal breaker for me. It does seem less confused than a new factory fresh install of win 8.1... just for some reason the installation was broken on my brand new budget price Lenovo PC ??? |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 14 Aug 15 - 08:59 AM Backed up my entire PC to my external HDD last night, then installed Win 10. Went as smooth as a baby's bottom, no hiccups or problems of any sort. Didn't do the express install, I used the options to switch off as much of the tracking stuff as possible. First impression is that, for the average Joe like me who just does a bit of surfing the web, online shopping, email, Farcebook, The Mudcat Mental Asylum, a few spreadsheets, a bit of word processing, it's not much different to Win 8.1 in terms of use. I realise that there's probably more going on under the surface that the tinfoil-hat brigade are bricking it over, but for what I imagine are the vast majority of people, it's very similar to its predecessor. Everything seems to work fine - my internet security, Office 2013, Reaper, Audacity, Pro-Tools First, FlightRadar 24, Photoshop, everything. Early days, but looking good, at least for the moment. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,Peter Laban Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:35 AM It IS an easy transition. That said, updates have been coming in and one of them messed up the Windows update facility so I had to roll back the system to its state before the update. That caused a few glitches in other programs that had updated since but that was mostly easily fixed. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:59 AM My 'upgrade' to win 10 on a brand new unused Lenovo PC processed very easily and seemed to work fine for nearly a day until I noticed it was failing to restart after some software and driver updates. Then after repeated attepmts to update some intel drivers for Win 10 after 'Lenovo Companion' stated they were necessary, Restart failed completely, and never worked again.. That's why I rolled back to Win 8.1. But restart still failed to work. So resorted to lenovo onekey recovery back to factory reset. Now it functions fine in win 8.1, but when I tried to create a recovery drive, I get a message stating components are missing and I need the Windows 8.1 install disc, which of course the manufacturer does not supply.....😫 |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:02 PM oh yeah.. btw.. the lesson I've learned is to try to get back in the habit of creating a manual restore point before every 'update'... Definitely not to trust Windows to do it for me... |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:30 PM ..though having said that.. seeing as microsoft has decided to deny users any* options to control what and when updates are downloaded and installed.. how the f@ck are we supposed to know when to protect our system and create a restore point, if all updates are just imposed & installed without warning !!!!??? [* ok - it seems there is one user option - to decide when to restart after download and install.... yes.... effin 'restart'...!!!!!!!😠 ] |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:05 AM I see that Audacity works for Backwoodsman, but it's not working for me on Windows 10. Audacity can't find my audio devices. I hope they come up with a solution soon. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Sir Roger de Beverley Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:33 AM I, too, now have a problem with audio - the DVD reader/writer is not recognised as being present. Any suggestions for a cure would be welcome. R |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 17 Aug 15 - 04:50 AM Joe, what devices are you using? I have a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 recording interface/mic pre-amp, and I also use a Focusrite VRM-Box monitor simulator. Both seem to be fine, they show up in the drop-down lists for input/output devices, and I've used them for listening to playback. I don't record and mix in Audacity - I use Reaper - but I do use Audacity for some editing and FX. All seems fine for me, but I guess if you're using other devices, there may be drivers missing or some kind of conflict somewhere? |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bill D Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:04 AM Oh my.... |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: TheSnail Date: 17 Aug 15 - 03:57 PM Sameroblem as Sir Roger. CD/DVD drive has vanished without trace. Anything I can find on the intertube implies that it will at least be visible in Device Manager but it isn't. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: artbrooks Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:17 AM My computers (desktop and laptop) still say that I'm waiting for my turn. Win Update says "Upgrade to Windows 10 (has) failed". |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Sir Roger de Beverley Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:35 AM I have now reverted to windows 7 and my DVD player/burner is working fine again! I will wait a few months to see if these issues are sorted out before I try W10 again. R |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:55 AM Your DVD player/burner did not work because the Windows Media Player does not exist in Win 10. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: TheSnail Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:04 AM Windows Media Player is alive and well on my Windows 10 PC. It jsut doesn't admit the existence of my CD/DVD drive. It's available in the Store if you haven't got it. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:31 AM My mobile phone is a Nokia Lumia 920 I really like the way Win 8.1 is implemented and working on this phone. I prefer it to android [certainly now after the discovery of android stagefright bug]. I was kinda looking forward to the win 10 mobile phone upgrade... not so sure now...??? |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Aug 15 - 10:38 AM My DVD Drive works fine with Win 10. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bill D Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:27 PM more from my newsgroup: "Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier of their activity": https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html "...the company faces accusations of not only failing to listen to the feedback it asks for, but deleting from the Feedback app and forums any suggestions it does not like.": http://betanews.com/2015/08/15/microsoft-stands-accused-of-deleting-windows-10-insider-feedback-it-doesnt-like/ "Consumer groups have slammed Microsoft for its policy of forced updates for Windows 10, which is hitting customers in remote locations with massive bill shocks by blowing out their data caps.": http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/computers/fears-windows-10-will-blow-data-caps-20150817-gj0i98.html |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bill D Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:31 PM one follow up from a poster: >"Windows 10 automatically spies on your children and sends you a dossier >of their activity": > > https://boingboing.net/2015/08/10/windows-10.html > >I don't know if this is bullshit or not. I don't use Windows 10. I think it's true. I tried to log into my 15 year old hotmail account, but it would not let me see my mail unless I gave them my cell or land phone number "so they could get a voice sample". I suppose they don't have one, because I've never used Skype and I cut the microphone wires. While I was swearing at them an ad popped up telling me I could "keep an eye on my kids" by turning on their webcam and mikes and spying on them through Microsoft. Apparently, this "feature" is free. They also offered to take care of my accounts and "alert me" if I was over-spending. Also "free". |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 18 Aug 15 - 01:37 PM Haven't seen anything like that. When I installed, I ignored the 'Express Install' option, and switched all the tracking stuff off. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: TheSnail Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:15 PM OK, I take it back. Windows Media Player is alive but rather poorly on my PC under Windows 10. The good news... I managed to get my DVD/CD drive working again by following Method 2 here http://www.askvg.com/optical-drives-are-not-showing-in-my-computer/. The bad news... My external hard drive disappeared. The good news... I closed down, unplugged the drive, restarted and plugged it back in again. It reappeared AND, it didn't push out the DVD/CD drive!!!. Why do I get a sense of achievement by succeeding in doing something I shouldn't have had to do in the first place? P.S. I have acquired a G: drive which seems to be my printer with zero space on it. Weird. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: TheSnail Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:20 PM ...and another thing. Windows Media Player isn't available in the Store. Sorry. There is something called "Windows media Player install". It isn't clear what it does and I don't feel inclined to spend £1.89 finding out. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Joe Offer Date: 19 Aug 15 - 03:58 PM I had installed Windows 10 successfully on 6 computers, so I was feeling good about the process. I had a couple hours to spare, so I decided to do two more installations. Both went south. One problem wasn't horrible - it wouldn't register Google Chrome, but I could solve that problem by using another browser or a workaround I devised. The second problem was really bad - I tried installing Windows 10 on a compact Lenovo computer that had Windows 7. The installation went normally until I tried to log in. The screen told me to "wait a moment while we set up your apps." Then it said, "this is taking a little longer than expected, but installation will soon be complete. When it completed, the screen kept flashing off and on, and nothing would work. I googled for a solution, and found that hundreds of people had the same problem. The only solution was to revert to the previous version of Windows. I did that, but it took a long, long time. I finished work at 11 PM. I think I'll hold off on more installations for a couple months, hoping Microsoft comes up with solutions. All but the last two of the computers I converted work wonderfully, but I haven't upgraded any of our key employees, because losing their data would be a real problem. -Joe- |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Backwoodsman Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:08 PM Joe, did you run the 'check your computer is ready for Win 10' routine in the 'Get Win 10' app? It sounds like you had something, maybe a graphics card driver, that's not good for the upgrade? |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,EBarnacle on the road Date: 19 Aug 15 - 05:49 PM This from one of my correspondents: Media Player can be substituted with VLC (Free). |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 20 Aug 15 - 12:35 AM But VLC can't run an over-the-air schedule and use the receiver in the computer like a DVR. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: gnu Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:42 PM http://isourforestreallyours.com/Isourforestreallyours/Ep_9.html |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: gnu Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:46 PM Well! THAT wasn't supposed to happen. I hope an elf deletes my last post, even tho it's an important one that has nothing to do with M$. Here... http://www.cbc.ca/news/technology/windows-10-1.3223168 |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 03 Sep 19 - 01:07 AM OK, w10 has had several years to get rid of its teething pains. BUT Microsoft is discontinuing support for W7 this coming January. DO NOT PANIC!!! You can still get W10 for free from Microsoft. Just enter "download Windows 10" into your search engine and look for the link that says "Media creation tool." Follow the instructions and you should have no trouble. I've done 8 machines this week, including machines that were password protected. [I did not have the passwords.] If your machine has a valid key, enter it if you are asked for it. I only had one ask me and, after I entered it, everything rolled merrily along. With the protected machines, use the tool to put the [universal] upgrade on a disk or thumb drive and use the boot Options on your opening menu. Have fun. The only machines that have fought ack were two with Atom processors. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Sep 19 - 05:48 AM Yes, I have upgraded to W10 possibly 10 times now, including our 2005 Fujitsu Esprimo laptop which shipped with Vista. I also backtracked to W7 a couple of times as well - because I could. Easiest method I found was from usb stick, then you don't need up to 4 hours by your PC. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 03 Sep 19 - 07:56 AM Depending on the machine and the flavor of the previous system, it has taken anywhere from 90 minutes to 4 hours. The fastest was from W7 Pro using as flash drive. The tool gives you the option of a download to either a DVD or a USB device. Personally, I like the flash drive if I am not installing directly. The worst error I have made was not having the machine hooked to the internet while doing the upgrade. That cost me the time to revert to W7, then reinstall W10 Pro. I do like the feature that the media automatically selects the version you get for the upgrade. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 03 Sep 19 - 10:10 AM I'm finally using a system that CAME WITH Win 10 Pro, and that makes things easier. The upgrades from Win 7 were a little glitchy. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bonzo3legs Date: 03 Sep 19 - 10:59 AM Our Fujitsu Esprimo laptop I only upgraded to windows 10 to see if it would run on that ancient machine, which it does, although audio crackles badly. I found a Vista driver which is supposed to work with the Esprimo which was an improvement, but when we get back from our holiday I'll look for the Vista drivers disc that came in the box. Failing that, I'll reinstall Windows 7 and stick with last updates available, it only gets used on holiday so not important. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: GUEST,SB Date: 06 Sep 19 - 09:35 AM The latest Win 10 update for Sep. 2019 is alerted to screw up many PCs. Apparently Cortana has been set to soak up memory and slow down machines to non-usability. Google to find the specific app. to remove. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Sep 19 - 09:50 AM I have Cortana turned off as much as I can. It never is allowed to function in any of my searches, etc. I also have a hood over my web cam atop one of my monitors to keep it from any facial recognition activity. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 08 Sep 19 - 11:27 PM I have discussed an annoying issue with a tech friend. Windows may ask you to sign in with a Microsoft account. To avoid this, when the screen comes up asking for personal or business, Take the machine off line and it will assign the owner name "used" for you. You can then [at the next step] plug your internet cable back in and proceed. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 08 Sep 19 - 11:33 PM You don't need to take it offline, but you do need to click past that and use your own logon information. That has been something with Microsoft for probably the last 15 years, and they're trying very hard to channel you into their network. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Sep 19 - 04:37 PM The former version of Windows 10 is being replaced with stuff being rolled out now. Here's more information: Microsoft patches two zero-days in massive September 2019 Patch Tuesday Microsoft's September 2019 Patch Tuesday comes with 80 fixes, 17 of which are for critical bugs. Microsoft has published today 80 security fixes across 15 products and services, as part of the company's monthly batch of security updates, known as Patch Tuesday. This is followed by an extensive list of vulnerabilities. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 11 Sep 19 - 07:24 AM SRA, if you are installing for others, you don't want your secure info in the computer. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Sep 19 - 09:55 AM I think that's a no-brainer. Aren't we discussing individuals working on their own computers? IT folks have a protocol for installing computers for other people. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 14 Sep 19 - 07:03 PM Some upgrades have a click allowing the worker to bypass the self identification. Others don't seem to. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Sep 19 - 10:36 PM I have two monitors, and twice in the last week I've come in after the computer was supposed to sleep and when I jostle the mouse one monitor is normal and the main one has a blue screen with a message and a QR code to link to the topic. The message beside the code says Stop Code: Faulty Hardware Corrupted Page. It seems to need to go through and update all of my hardware drivers. I have a lot of old hardware hooked up, but I have a new keyboard and it seems to be a casualty of this shutdown, I have to unplug then replug the USB cable to get it going again. I always keep a spare keyboard handy anyway (this is a specialized typist's keyboard, not the usual cheapie that comes with the computer). |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: EBarnacle Date: 15 Sep 19 - 10:47 PM Try deleting and reinstalling the software for the second monitor. I don't know how you can do this. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 17 Sep 19 - 04:52 PM It isn't the monitor software that is the problem, the monitor is simply delivering the message. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Bonzo3legs Date: 17 Sep 19 - 05:03 PM Had a frustrating problem with Windows 10 Defender over the weekend - it switched itself off and I could not enable it despite carrying out all of the suggested fixes. Eventually last night I did a check for windows updates and found that there was an update for Defender pending, but would not install. After power-up this evening I tried windows update again, this time it installed together with another Defender update and is now enabled itself again! I had backed up all of my data intending to do a Windows 10 repair! |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Sep 19 - 11:37 AM I've typically had it set to download and tell me when installing updates so I can say yes or no myself. On this new machine I think the default is to automatically load and install, and I'll have to go set my preferences. On another note, this note about ransomware is something to take note of. I don't see a thread dedicated to these threats (in my traced threads, at any rate). Maybe it's time for one of those. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: DaveRo Date: 18 Sep 19 - 12:53 PM Stilly River Sage wrote: ... twice in the last week I've come in after the computer was supposed to sleep and when I jostle the mouse ... the main [monitor] has a blue screen with a message and a QR code to link to the topic. The message beside the code says Stop Code: Faulty Hardware Corrupted Page.I'd guess that's a fault in the 'resume from hibernated' (S4) state. To test that you could change the power settings to only sleep (S3) for a week or two and see if it still happens. I found some support threads about similar problems appearing with release 1903 on some makes of computer. |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: Stilly River Sage Date: 18 Sep 19 - 02:54 PM I'll take a look - good suggestion! |
Subject: RE: Tech: Windows 10-what's happening with rollout From: John MacKenzie Date: 18 Sep 19 - 03:58 PM MY PC took about two and a half hours to instal the WIN10 update today. Then it took a while to recognise my mobile phone when I plugged it in to download pic's. |
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