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Subject: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Holden deMayo
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 05:38 AM

Donald Trump is a fantastic forward thinking man, which is why he would make a great president.

The short of it is that Trump isn't a politically correct politician, that he says what he means and won't apologize for it.

We need a man like this. He won't stand down against wimps regarding military spending and he would be tough on leaches crossing our borders to sell drugs and open their legs for money.

Come on people get behind him.

God Bless America.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: banjoman
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:14 AM

If that man ever becomes president then it should be "God Help America"


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:17 AM

Donald Trump is a racist, sexist, ignorant, con man/crook, a verbal bully with no integrity. Self promoting **** who kicks people off property so he can build luxury developments. This financial crook, has faced bankruptcy several times. That says a lot for his ability to balance your country's books. If you thought Nixon was a crook then you ain't seen nothing yet.   The thought of that **** having his hand on the red button.   God help America and the rest of the world. I am ashamed to share his Scottish roots, but at least I don't dye mine like that pathetic aging ****


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Steve Shaw
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:46 AM

Fortunately for America, the following two points are almost certain: Donald Trump will never be President, and there is no God. Phew, what a relief! 😈


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: wysiwyg
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 07:24 AM

My drunk uncle also says whatever is on his mind too, but that's not the best qualification for the office.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 07:36 AM

Governor Sarah Palin would make an ideal running mate. She has the experience in politics and they share many views. They could really excite voters!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 09:29 AM

Good one, Holden deMayo! Are you Holden deOnion too?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,gillymorg4
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 10:32 AM

He's no doubt HoldendePecker, as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,don
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 10:50 AM

Anyone who is without isms cast the first stone.

HE IS A GIANT

His giant Achilles heel is his thin skin.

He loves his self proclaimed status.

That which we love presents our greatest vulnerabilities.

Fox news has played him like a wolf tone fiddle..

Meagan was a prosecutor and is well suited to play the role of a bloodthirsty tool of the state.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Jack Campin
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 10:54 AM

Governor Sarah Palin would make an ideal running mate. She has the experience in politics and they share many views. They could really excite voters!

Palin might still be menstruating so I can't see that happening.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 10:56 AM

....and you gonna prove a negative, Steve...?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:02 AM

Trump is very good for the Democrats.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:07 AM

Well I know very little about Mr Trump other than he is against political correctness and his politics do not coincide with mine.

However if the question is, " who is the most dangerous to world peace", my tenner would be on Mrs Clinton.

I don't like bashing the US, I admire a lot of things about the people and their views, but surely you could have come up with two better candidates for the "most important job on the planet"?

Do you have no independent news outlets, are there no alternative political views available..... and if not, why not?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:12 AM

It seems to me that politically there is a huge gap of about one millimetre between Democrats and Republicans, and a great amount of blood is spilt on the control of that millimetre.

We have something similar here in Labour and Conservative, but the template is slowly breaking down, smaller more radical parties are appearing on left and right......sometime we may actually get a voice.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,don
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:39 AM

If you want Bernie or Hillary to keep the dogs at bay, it would be best to trump up Trump within the bounds of the obvious.

jusayin.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:41 AM

This video compares the required qualifications to be a New York State teacher vs the qualification to be Governor. By analogy, the same applies if you change governor to president of the United States.

http://youtu.be/vngTAuDwfKg


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:52 AM

If that man ever becomes president then it should be "God Help America"

Its already way past "God Help America".

Trump, that turd with legs, is not a problem. The problem is the millions of brain-dead assholes that SUPPORT him.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:59 AM

However if the question is, " who is the most dangerous to world peace", my tenner would be on Mrs Clinton.

You'd lose your ten pounds. You've obviously bought into the Tea Party/mainstream media(I can't call them news outlets)/Karl Rove slurs & anti-Hillary campaign that's been waged ever since Bill was president. .

Do you have no independent news outlets

Plenty, and you would obviously benefit from consulting them. Start with PBS.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 12:06 PM

In the twenties, comments about the rudeness and brash insensitive lunacy of an unlikely man running for office after WWII are chillingly similar to the comments made about Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 12:17 PM

And which man is that?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 12:37 PM

There are something like 22 formally announced Republican and Democratic candidates at the moment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 12:55 PM

Come on Greg be fair, you saw the mess she made in the Middle East.
She's a disaster waiting to happen, President Obama must be tearing his hair out, after their dirty campaign to win the nomination last time.

The one good thing that came from President Obama's election was the thwarting of the Clintons, but she's back and she's mad.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 12:59 PM

I wrote some lyrics, lets all run for Prez.

Greg, surely you jest.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 01:09 PM

Trump's "candidacy" is not a legitimate candidacy. It's more of a promotional ad campaign for the Trump brand (as if he needs more promotion). It's disgraceful the way he's using the political process as a vehicle to further his financial and business interests, but when campaigns -- thanks to Citizens United -- are fueled more by money than by actual issues and ideologies, perhaps this is the inevitable outcome. Trump's loyalties are to his stockholders and to the bottom line of his balance sheet, not to the country.

Corporations are global entities (and people too, my friend, let's not forget, as Mitt Romney reminded us in 2012) that don't recognize things such as borders or boundaries or laws or constitutions or history or any of the other indices that pertain to sovereignty. To them it's as ephemeral (and arbitrary) as crossing a time zone.

It's not beyond the realm of possibilities to imagine Trump as President trying to buy and remake the Arlington Cemetery because it would be a great place for a golf course or another gaudy hotel (with his name up in lights, of course).

Okay, that might be a little over the top, but hey, to a capitalist nothing is beyond the pale when it comes to the opportunity to make a profit.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Don Firth
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 01:12 PM

Bernie Sanders.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 01:19 PM

The transparency of Trumps flawed temperament is still more appealing than the other fake temperaments of the Republican field, except perhaps Kacinich.


BERNIE


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 01:59 PM

Come on Greg be fair, you saw the mess she made in the Middle East.

How soon they forget. The mess in the Middle East was created by George Dumbya Bush and company long before Hillary became secretary of state.

Now, back to our regularly scheduled asshole, Donald Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 02:53 PM

..."if the question is, " who is the most dangerous to world peace", my tenner would be on Mrs Clinton." ake

Your credibility ain't top notch, ake. I recall you were in favor of the Palin. You make me laugh.

Donuel, I suspect you misspoke @12:06. Don't you mean "an unlikely man" after WWI, not WWII?

Me for Bernie! With Elizabeth Warren in the Cabinet!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 03:03 PM

He is the most aptly-named person ever to run for the position of POTUS.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 04:41 PM

Ebbie, if you need a laugh don't look to me, just look at your candidates.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 04:54 PM

OK Greg, who dragged President Obama into Libya against his better judgement, in a cynical attempt to raise her profile for the next election.
"We came etc"    
Libya was arguably a bigger crime and provoked a situation which will prove to be even more dangerous than Iraq.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 05:27 PM

Well and concisely said, Jeri. He is great for the Democratic party. I hope he stays in the race. I especially hope he launches an Independent run once the primary voting starts and rational Republicans begin to have some influence. Assuming of course, that happens. As surreal a scenerio as it seems to me that he would actually be the Republican nominee, I suppose that could happen.

Regardless, I am inclined to do everything I can to support his continued candidacy. Greatly increases the likelihood of a Democratic victory for the presidency. If the Dems can figure out how to play it, also increases the likelihood of greater representation in Congress of Democrats and rational, moderate Republicans.

I appreciate the role of gadflies in politics. But I don't want a congress full of them and that is the case with the Republican party at this point in time. Plus, they are in total denial, as are the constituents who elected them, of their conscious and unconscious racism and how that has influenced the hard lines they have drawn that they delusionally call ideological positions. Facing the reality of one's own racism, from which each and every human being suffers, is very hard and rarely done.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 05:39 PM

We have exactly the same position in the UK Janie, where conservatives are actually joining the Labour party in order to vote for a socialist to be leader, they reckon a socialist would be unelectable ......isn't it totally disgusting, undemocratic, and immoral. ?????


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 05:48 PM

Libya was arguably a bigger crime

According to.....You?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Joe_F
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:11 PM

George Soros & Donald Trump should have a drink together. They both think they are so rich, they must be smart.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:32 PM

Sorry, Joe - Mr. Soros isn't anything like the piece of crap that Trump is. And he actually IS pretty smart.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 06:44 PM

I re-iterate my earlier comments. The man is a sexist, racist metaphorical thug; a bully and a rip off businessman who has connections to criminals. Ideal for the Presidency - just like Nixon then.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 08:56 PM

Janie, are you seriously suggesting that we are all natural bOrn "racists", or have I misread your post? I do hope I am mistaken. If not, I am gratefully relieved not to have your misanthropic view of the world.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:38 PM

I think you have misinterpreted my post, HiLo. These days there is little patience on Mudcat for lengthy, somewhat academic posts. But over the years others, as well as myself have posted about how the human brain works, as well about being conscious vs unconscious of biases, which none of us human beings can be free of.

If you choose, will be glad to discuss via pm. Not gonna go there on the forum for three reasons.

The most important reason in terms of today's Mudcat is I don't choose to deal with trolls or to deal with people who have no respect for Mudcat as a community and see it only as an on-line forum, and know from experience a discussion here will likely draw trolls.

The second reason is I have written about how the human brain processes information and the by-products, including over-generalization and stereotyping extensively in the past. So have many others who are part of this community.   I don't need to repeat that information, nor do most folks in the community have any interest in me repeating that info.

Thirdly, and perhaps it should be firstly - I am not a pithy, to the point writer. I'm long winded, precise but not concise - comes from years as a policy writer - great for closing loopholes and minimizing the opportunities for misinterpreting/misapplying public policy by line workers and local administrators, but awful for posting on Mudcat. This already too long post is proof.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 09 Aug 15 - 11:58 PM

I am not a troll. I am not hiding and would say what I say to Mr. Trump's face. If you are putting him forward as a potential world leader, and not facing up to the man's proven crooked business activities, past or present - then you are fooling people. The man has set himself for criticism for the things he says and his actions (many of which have been exposed in TV documentaries that you probably haven't seen in the US. He has kicked people off land; built on environmentally sensitive land; promised Scotland jobs that never appeared -and had links to people who were in organised crime. Apart from that there are numerous other past crooked dealings that have been conveniently covered up. So the author of the thread set Mr. Trump up for criticism by using the theme of the "greatness of Donald Trump".   He is not great.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:06 AM

Janie, thank you for your reply. I very we have misunderstood you. But for the reasons you gave, we shall leave it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Amos
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:16 AM

He is rampantly unqualified to hold the offive he pretends tyo seek. Campaign bluster is not an index of competency. Look at the last Republican president~!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:46 AM

Agree Alan Ross. His strong polling among the Republican base, along with some likelihood (who knows if he is serious,) that he may run as an independent if he doesn't get the Republican nomination, will be the best thing since sliced bread for Democrats. (Of which I are one:>) I think most thoughtful Republicans also recognize what an ass he is and would not vote for him in the general election. Don't know if that means they would stay home or vote the Democratic ticket. If he runs as an independent, he splits the conservative vote. As long as he stays in the race, progressives win.

Huzzah The Donald! If, as a result of him staying his course, the Democratic candidate wins the presidency and the Dems also increase the number of congressional seats they hold, I will gladly kiss the ass of the Ass.

With his independent billions and his ego, he sadly but realistically represents the best hope of progressives to win in spite of Citizens United. He doesn't have to answer to the Koch Bros. And he really is unelectable.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 01:28 AM

Yep. I am apolitical, just don't dig this man as a potential world leader. How can you trust somebody who had known links to underworld criminals? He also lied to the Scottish government to get planning for his Aberdeen golf course, promising over 800 jobs and getting a mere 60 odd. Shows how sincere the man is. People were kicked off their land, and environmentally sensitive land was sacrificed to allow him to build on the basis of this economic bribery.

Then there were dodgy condo deals, for which he was sued.... numerous other examples can be found. He bullies journalists, particularly female ones if they ask him awkward questions. Does anybody remember the Selina Scott bullying - when she filmed a BBC TV programme which didn't show him in a favourable light? This is the man they want for President, a megalomaniac tyrant.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 01:47 AM

I think there is a need for a conservative voice in the governing of the United States, but I think Donald Trump is a caricature of the conservative point of view. For that matter, most of the Republican candidates are caricatures of the conservative point of view. At this point, Jeb Bush seems to be the only rational candidate on the Republican side, and I have my questions about him. It makes me look back and think that maybe George W. wasn't so bad.

I'm starting to think that Joe Biden isn't a bad idea. It's time for us moderates to have a voice.

-Joe Offer, Radical Moderate-

P.S. And I still think Barack Obama has done a great job as President.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 02:15 AM

Apologies I have to correct myself. The TV documentary with Selina Scott was a Grampian TV programme from the 1990's. There have been recent BBC documentaries exposing criminal links and the business deals. There have also been films like 'You've been Trumped'. That's my last word on the subject!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Roger the Skiffler
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 05:01 AM

I wonder if he realises that in some parts of the UK a trump is a noisy fart?

Just askin'

RtS


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Stu
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 05:35 AM

From the UK the Democrats are a conservative voice ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,LIGHTER, no cookie
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 06:51 AM

> At this point, Jeb Bush seems to be the only rational candidate on the Republican side.

Surely you jest. (Unless by "rational" you mean "viable.")

Check out both Kasich and Gilmore, each polling close to zero among the GOP - of course. And Fiorina at least has some dignity.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 07:04 AM

He does seems to "grate" on many people. ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 08:43 AM

I think most thoughtful Republicans...

That breed is unfortunately extinct.

And Jeb! is no better than his idiot brother.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:31 AM

What Joe said, except Bernie.

I think people who run around saying "there isn't a racist bone in my body" or words to the effect, are stupid, in denial or both. Why?
We're social beings who are hard-wired to be loyal to whatever groups we're in. Unless something big-time bad has happened, our families are the best families, our schools are the best, our communities, football teams, home towns, countries, religion, political parties, candidates, people who like the same food, people who hate cilantro (sorry-couldn't help it), like the music we like, or... this goes on forever. In short, we like people like us. Race is at least as much a part of it as cilantro.

It doesn't mean we have to act accordingly. As humans, we get to question ourselves, be aware of these tendencies (which the truly dangerous people will pretend don't affect them). We get to notice when we're about to act or think like racists, or have. The people who most scare me are the ones who think they're beyond the need to question themselves.

...and Trump is a running joke. I'm taking the thread title as satire because it makes me happy to do so.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,LIghter
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 10:55 AM

Everyone may be a "racist" in a trivial sense; in other words, favoring members of their own race *all other things being equal.*

That's not the same as being a "racist" in the usual sense of being knowingly discriminatory or hostile to other races.

"Racism" (like "folk music") is both a continuum and a label that's too broad to be used without context.

To say "We're all racists" and leave it at that comes close to saying nothing at all.

"Even non-bigots have unconscious racial bias" is a less dramatic but more precise and helpful statement.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 11:23 AM

A friend recently referred to her recently-immigrated neighbours as racists. Her stated reasoning was that they only associate and do business with, and marry (mostly are family arranged) those of their own race. I suspect this broad definition of the word is frequently observed.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 12:05 PM

Well said Lighter.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Triplane
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 03:26 PM

Does anyone think that he is the warm-up comedian for the main act who is waiting in the wings?

Is his presence part of an orchestrated campaign like David Camerons depiction of Alex Salmond as the bogeyman to make the labour & unconvinced voters vote tory in the UK election so that there was no Labour/SNP coalition.

Just a thought.
I like a good conspiracy theory, people make a fortune out of writing books on the subject, It gives the media field day when they rise to the bait and the Trojan horse rumbles in in the darkness of confusion.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 05:43 PM

in some parts of the UK a trump is a noisy fart

Trump is a noisy fart here in the U.S. as well.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Don Firth
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 05:54 PM

Donald T. Rump?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 06:45 PM

"How can you trust somebody who had known links to underworld criminals?"
You mean like the Kennedy family? Remember daddy Kennedy was a bootlegger.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Lighter
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 07:00 PM

"Links" is another word to watch.

There are links and there are links. I don't know about Trump, but anybody who owned a casino in Atlantic City might well have rubbed elbows with mobsters, even knowingly, without ever having been involved in a crime.

A "link" is some connection or relationship, no matter what and no matter how tenuous.

Suppose you had a school friend you haven't seen or heard from in twenty years, but now he's become a career criminal. Suddenly there'd be a "link" between you and organized crime, and you could be put in the unenviable position of having to explain why that link was utterly meaningless.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan ross
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 07:19 PM

Sorry to come back. I strongly advise you to look up relevant articles written by respected investigative journalists - these are business associates and Trump put his name to dodgy deals, hence condo lawsuits etc.   Trump is not a 'clean' business man.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:03 PM

You mean like the Kennedy family?

Oh, please, fer chrissake.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:06 PM

I don't know about Trump...

Then perhaps you should find out before shooting your mouth off defending this piece of dirt, eh?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:38 PM

Oh, please, yerself, Greg. Before he was rahabbed and turned into the anti-British ambassador to the Court of Saint James, daddy Kennedy was a bootlegger for a while. Check your history books.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:40 PM

Sorry, that should have been rehabbed. There was also talk that daddy's relationship with the Mob helped out during the '60 election.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 09:46 PM

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/07/31/politics/trump-mob-mafia/..

Definitely last word. I leave it to others more in the know to make up their own minds. Teflon Donald!

thefederalist.com/2015/07/28/how-close-was-donald-trump-to-the-mob



www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-23152829

08/07/2013 · Video embedded · By John Sweeney BBC Panorama. 8 July 2013. From the section UK; John Sweeney and Donald Trump in Trump Towers, the

loads of others no doubt! It's up to you people.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 10:06 PM

daddy Kennedy was a bootlegger for a while

Yes he was. As were thousands of other "respectable" folks at the time. So what? He still doesn't approach the piece of crap that Trump is.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 10 Aug 15 - 10:12 PM

If the owners and moderators feel I've gone too far, can they withdraw my contributions. This is an extremely controversial subject, which is asking for trouble and opposite opinions when someone starts a thread about the "greatness of Donald Trump". Obviously this is a folk music site, and I don't want to land anybody in trouble for speaking out on a non folk subject which perhaps should never have been started - I'm not sure how far free speech goes here!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 08:02 AM

From my perch on the Ottawa River, Mr Trump's candidacy -- especially the part where he threatens to run as an independent if the Republicans continue to "disrespect" him .. looks like a revival of the Native American Party.

The Native American (Know-Nothing) Party split from the Whigs during the 1850s, a schism that led directly to the formation of the modern Republican Party -- today's version of which, I have to say, would not look particularly familiar to Abraham Lincoln, its first presidential candidate.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Jeri
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 09:48 AM

I'm viewing the thread title as sarcasm.
Anyway, there's a meme-ish thing going around Facebook that involves a poster with an image of re/white/blue swirl on a Trump head, and "TRUMP 2016 - THERE WILL BE HELL TOUPÉE" I'm pretty sure he doesn't wear one though. I don't know what it is, but I don't think it's a wig.

If the world gets a lot weirder than it already is and he gets elected, I think we (meaning primarily US voters) should pool our money and buy Vermont, then declare it a sovereign nation. They won't want Vermont anyway, as it's Bernie, Ben & Jerry country. Who's in?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Charmion
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 09:59 AM

A few foreigners will have to contribute, Jeri. I want there to be a safe space for IPA drinkers, and Vermont is it.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Janie
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 10:25 AM

Make it a Carribean Island and I'm in. No Vermont winters for me!


I keep telling myself that Trump's favorable poll numbers surely must represent a lot of people having fun spoofing the pollsters. Hope I am not being a Pollyanna about that.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:28 AM

A CNN headline read, " Donald Trump blames political correctness for backlash over calling women 'fat pigs' "

Uh, what can one say?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 11:40 AM

That's stereotyping #


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 06:46 PM

Perhaps one of the best strategies to derail Trump's so-called "campaign" is to keep him perpetually entangled in all these arguments back and forth between whoever he's insulted and the insulted person's response. Who can plan cogent solutions to any of a myriad number of issues that plague the United States when you're too busy tweeting demands for apologies and responses to the refusals to apologize?

Megyn Kelly "certainly will not apologize for doing good journalism." Her question was phrased in such a way as to primarily jab Trump and focus on his "temperament" and how he would respond to Hillary Clinton when she could have worded it in such a way as to get the jab in AND direct Trump's response to: abortion; women's health; Planned Parenthood (if she wanted to be trendy); equal pay for equal work; ...any number of pertinent issues. And instead of focusing on how Trump would respond to Clinton, she missed a golden opportunity to open the door for another round of Clinton bashing (a favorite past time of the Republican presidential hopefuls). She could have steered Trump in that direction by asking what he thought of Hillary Clinton's record as Secretary of State. Fox's constituents would've loved that. Go ahead and pat yourself on the back for doing "good journalism" Megyn, but your thinly-disguised attempt to smear a Republican candidate certainly didn't contribute anything to the debate, or to the discussion during the days following. No one is talking about issues. Instead, we're talking about these two bobble-heads Megyn Kelly and Donald Trump.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 07:12 PM

"Even non-bigots have unconscious racial bias" is a less dramatic but more precise and helpful statement.

This is a very interesting matter. In my youth, in an all-boys, all-white Catholic grammar school in the north of England, not only was it acceptable to denigrate "niggers" and "Pakis", it was actually de rigeur to do so. No question. It was also no question that you were a fervent Catholic. Dissent from these points of view was unknown.

These days, and for evermore, I'm one of them atheists. It took quite a long time to reach that state, and I do constantly ask myself whether I've really made it all the way. Well, I've decided that it's impossible to make it all the way. All that brainwashing that faith schools indulge in during your most impressionable years must count for something. The damned spot can probably never be totally outed. Even Richard Dawkins expresses doubt (would that all those billions of believers were so rational). But there is a bottom line, in that any doubt I ever harbour will always be matched by a kneejerk demand for evidence.

Similarly with our early-life racism (I say early-life rather than innate because I don't believe that anyone is ever born racist). The sheer unwisdom of my youth in so many regards would make me cringe were I to dwell (but that's life, innit). The unthinking racist remarks I probably made a hundred times are part of that. I do like to think that experience has made me know better. Teaching in multiracial secondary schools in East London for 13 years was quite a jolt. Then 12 years in a rural Devon school with a large assemblage of white racist farmers' kids was a even bigger jolt. Many of the attitudes I've come across I found revolting. But revolting can jar you out of your own "unconscious" racism and make you retune your antennae so that the unconscious is extirpated. I don't think I'm an unconscious racist any more, but I can't prove it, even to myself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 09:33 PM

"...attempt to smear a Republican candidate..." Guest, there is no need for Megyn Kelly or anyone else to "smear" D. Trump - he's done a simply superlative job of it on his own - nor is it a smear when someone quotes him to his face. Or maybe you haven't been listening to the man?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Aug 15 - 10:19 PM

...exactly my point. A serious journalist (and everyone else) knows the guy is a filthy rich classless buffoon. Why waste debate time reiterating the point when a "good journalist" would've tried to go after him on something more substantive.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:29 AM

The first post was obviously a spoof and we are mostly having fun. Way too early to take bets on who the Republican front runners will be when primary season finally rolls around and not much point it taking it too seriously before then. There will be two horse races which matter down the stretch. The first will be who wins the Democratic primary, and that may be more of a horse race than any of us may have thought a bit earlier -but it is still early in the game. The second race will be between the actual nominees of both parties, with some possibly important side shows.

Right now, it is foolish to bet on any of the races.

Right now the Republican party is in great disarray, but it would be a mistake to think whoever the Republican candidate ends up being is not a serious contender. I think the chances are close to zero Trump will win the Republican nomination. I hope he does. And if he doesn't, I hope he makes a third party run.

I think we Democrats as well as progressive independents may be overly confident at this point. H. Clinton definitely has some baggage. I happen to think she would be a good president. A realistic mix of principle and pragmatism, but enough baggage that I don't have confidence she is electable against a few of the Republicans in their crowded field. Bernie is not electable, but at this early stage, appears to be turning into a viable contender for the Democratic nominee. Shades of McGovern.

Interesting times we live in, here in the US of A.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 05:06 AM

The Republican Party has become a joke. They have more scattered parts than a fragmentation grenade post boom. Trump is a horse's ass at the best of times, something he proves whenever he speaks. Media helps create these kinds of people. They end up in American homes (and others, too) thanks to TVs, 'news' stations, etc. All any person has to do is listen to the people who receive air time. They are there for 'entertainment' value--however one defines that--and that's all.

Remember when Ann Coulter and Sarah Palin were all the rage? Donald Trump is just a male counterpart. Big mouths, no brains. Other than as a form of protest, do any of you actually intend to vote for these people? Really?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 05:47 AM

People who intends to vote for Hillary the Hawk are capable of anything #.
Given her recent history in foreign affairs, she would find it hard even to be accepted by the UK Tories.

Seems to me that Obama has been let down by his administration, Clinton on Libya and Kerry on Syria are in the George Bush mould.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 05:59 AM

Hi, Ake. In many ways we agree. This election has no good choice (as far as I'm concerned) other than Bernie Sanders. But Hilary has the bucks behind her. The Republicans haven't had a good choice since the early 1900s, and even then I'd have to go dig into some history books to check that for accuracy. Obama got screwed for sure. I'm surprised he didn't tell the idiot fringe in the US to take a flying leap to itself. (I define idiot fringe as all Republicans and more than a few Democrats.)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 06:09 AM

Hi #....great to hear from you, hope you've been well....I know we don't often, agree but your still one of the straightest people on this forum.
Any friend of mine is always a friend....take care buddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Mr Red
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 06:22 AM

If you look at British Politics we have an incumbent who won because the combined electorate got scared of the divisive fragmented offerings so went with the current schmuck. And the the main opposition chose the wrong brother. Now we are heading for a repeat of at least one ineffectual episode or the other.
Greece seems to have the same indecisive attitude. Choose a strong talker who shouts at the hand that feeds it and wimps-out when reality clicks in.
Maybe this is the peace dividend or the reaction to the recent depression but methinks the scenario is pretty widespread. Plenty of choice on the table, and mostly unpalletable.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 07:02 AM

If Sanders wins, he'll be over 75 years old when he takes office: older than Reagan when he began his second term.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 07:15 AM

Yep. Therefore, be wise in choosing the VP.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 10:51 AM

I can only presume that the OP mistyped & the title was supposed to read "The Grateness..."? Similarly, there seems to be an error in his post. He said " he says what he means and won't apologize for it.", but surely he meant... Nah, tempting but nah.

I've seen far too much from Yanks on here to even jokingly tar them with the same brush. When The Tump says "what he means...", what he means is "what will make me money", judging by his career so far. As I say, I could jestingly suggest this is America all over, and the central problem. But even I, an ignorant Yooker, know this is far from the truth!

Can I have a cigarette before y'all shoot me? And no shooting me before I finish it. And no, I don't want it lit, thank you, I don't smoke! ;-)

P.S. Ake - stay out of US politics. Our'n is too right for you, and their'n is more right than that. And their media is even worse than our useless self-interested lot. You've no 'ope, mate! ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 11:06 AM

"Which one of the three candidates would you want your daughter to marry"
Ross Perot


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: akenaton
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 12:41 PM

Another old friend...this is a terrific thread......Howsitgaun Raedwulf? Come tae Scotland soon mate afore we shut the borders, ye'll no get in efter that.....even if they mak me a commissar. :0)

Good tae see ye pal.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Raedwulf
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 02:48 PM

Of course I'll get in, ye daft sod. Where is Scotland ever going to legally (and av curse, ye waedna be doin' anythin' eelegal, naow, wuld ye?) get the money to shut the border.

All of its border.

Including the enormous coastal border.

There'll be guerrilla tourist trips to Scottish distilleries before the ink's dry on the Declaration of Whatever! ;)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,#
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 03:36 PM

Besides, we know that if you wake a Scot at 3:00 in the morning he sounds just like a Canadian.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 06:08 AM

So how do you suppose that a multi-billionaire like Mr Trump comes by all his money? As he gets insanely rich, he is "leeching" money away from many other people. And you can bet your life his accountants make damn sure that the taxman "leeches" as little as possible back from him. The only things that Mr Trump "contributes" are racism, intolerance and bigotry in order to appeal to the basest instincts of people in the US. In the world of leeches, I reckon he's King Leech.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Backwoodsman
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:49 AM

Amen, Steve.

And he's got bad hair. Anyone whose hair is that thin needs a Grade 1.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 07:48 PM

To clarify, my last post was a response to a "guest" post that has now disappeared. I'm touched that mine was left in place. Perhaps I shouldn't have mentioned it... ;-)


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 08:11 PM

I do not fear the post
Who knows where the post goes,
Who knows where the post goes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 08:49 PM

It finally happened . I needed Ebbie to say what I really meant like they did with W.


It may only be self proclaimed but greatness is indeed the major theme of the Trump campaign whether you consider it to be real or not.

these are all spoken by Trump

Trump is the greatest businessman.
Trump Is the greatest most militaristic candidate of them all.
Trump is loved by Hispanics and women.
I am the best negotiator in the world.
I will be the greatest president ever.
I have a great relationship with the Blacks.
My greatest beauty is that I am rich.
I am a smart guy
Other countries call me a scholar. (N.K.)
I will be the greatest job creating president God ever created.
Sorry losers and haters, but my IQ is one of the highest, and you all know it! Please don't feel so stupid or insecure, it's not your fault."
I would build a great wall, and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me, and I'll build them very inexpensively, I will build a great, great wall on our southern border. And I will have Mexico pay for that wall."
Sadly, because president Obama has done such a poor job as president, you won't see another black president for generations!"



The only other person who said "I am the greatest" as much was probably Ali.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:01 PM

Takes a good dose of narcissism to run for office. Some, however, engender that characteristic to a particularly toxic degree. The media loves capitalizing on them.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Seamus Kennedy
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:48 PM

Yes, Donuel, but Ali WAS the Greatest!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:56 PM

Well said.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 10:12 PM

Have you ever thought that a book needed to be written to explain something you thought of and find it the next day?

Well here is one of those.


http://www.ted.com/talks/patricia_burchat_leads_a_search_for_dark_energy

She shows the need for a system of thought that will surpass the limits of logic and classical physics. Don't worry Bill the logic I speak of is an old misapplied version.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 11:42 PM

You Yanks haven't really said yet - is there some remote chance you will inflict this creature on the world as the next president?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: LadyJean
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 02:12 AM

From there to here, from here to there,
They sing of the man with the plastic hair
He made his money with putting greens,
hotels, casinos and beauty queens.
With a jump, and a rump, and a hump and a bump
And a high hurrah for Donald Trump.

He made his fame with The Art of The Deal
and a TV show that was almost real.
Now he's known throughout the land.
He's no longer a man, he's become a brand.
With a hump, and a lump and a bump and a slump
And a High Hurrah for Donald Trump.

He wants to be president, he tried once before,
He gave up that time, 'cause teevee paid more.
This time, it seems, he'll do and dare,
and face the Iowa State fair.
With a lump and a jump and a hump and a bump
And a High Hurrah for Donald Trump.

He doesn't like immigrants, he says they're grim,
except for the ones who work for him.
His views on women are really nifty.
If you still live in nineteen fifty.
With a jump and a slump and a bump and a hump,
And a high hurrah for Donald Trump.

This is kind of a work in progress. Doggerel isn't as easy to write as you might think.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 05:06 AM

bye bye blackbird

theres a chump, called donald trump
he's a face like a rump
he's no smarty
when he opens up his trap
he talks crap, he's the chap
to lead the grand old party
don't you think that something must be stinkin'?
when money buys the party formed by Lincoln?
let him bluster and talk big
tell him where to shove his wig
and say donald! bye bye!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 10:24 AM

bollocks! and there was me thinking i was going to enter the oral tradition of the USA.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 10:48 AM

Backwoodsman, the only president whose hair was thinner was Eisenhower. Only he didn't bother with a combover. Also, he got along with almost everyone.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:22 AM

Rest easy, Big Al. No way will Trump be POTUS. Of course, I said that about Nixon in '68, Reagan in '80 and Shrub Bush in 2000, so apologies in advance.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:09 PM

Hmmm. Let's think on that a minute. Gillymor presents a difficult premise, if only because I held the same beliefs as his.

If Trump became president? What would that look like? Would world leaders welcome him as a straight talking strategist who would finally set the world to rights? Or would they laugh at him to his face? (If they did that, of course, President Trump would go a-twittering: They're all losers.) No, if they laughed at him, they'd have to do it behind their hands- so that he wouldn't catch on.

Like many others, in the past I have postulated a scenario of what if the Nazis had won. Just so is this an interesting exercise.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:17 PM

Or would they laugh at him to his face?

Yes.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:43 PM

Then he would launch the nukes and the bioweapons we "don't have."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:51 PM

Mr Pond Adult   

(here is what you get using the letters in Donald Trump)

Land Turd Mop
Trump do Land
Mr. Tod Upland
Dump not Lard
Mad Lord Punt
Damp Old Runt
Damn Turd Pol
Odd Rum Plant
Odd Pal Mr. Nut
Old Dun Tramp
Plod Man Turd
Mold Turd Pan
Odd Palm Runt
Mart dun Plod
Mod Turd Plan
Don Lumpdart
Rand Mud Plot

And Old Trump


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Janie
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:57 PM

Good one, LadyJean!

Anything is possible, but I don't think the time has yet come when some one such as Trump is electable in the USA. On the other hand, money is what votes in our elections, and he has a bunch of it. Gilymor and Ebbie do make good points. I don't assume it won't happen.

If he is elected, I'm applying for refugee status to another country and will be looking for a sponsor among you Mudcatters across the seas. My tied-for-first-place choices would be Australia or New Zealand, but beggars can't be choosers. Any offers? Will work for food.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 03:44 PM

Ronald Reagan did Hollywood Chimp movies and a lot of other nonsense productions but at least did a convincing front man role as Governor before he ran for President.
In the 2016 billion dollar super pac election in which as much as 6 billion dollars may be in play behind the scenes as well as voter suppression laws and a roll back of voter rights you may assume that surprises are in store.



Feel the Bern


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 11:42 PM

Reagan....what WAS that about. you can't tell me that guy was in charge of America!


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Aug 15 - 10:37 AM

Reagan was a senile idiot who acted the role of president and was easily manipulated by those around him. He was also a crook: Iran-Contra & etc. And the father of "trickle down"(a.k.a. voodoo)economics that has destroyed the U.S economy & pauperized an ever increasing proportion of the population.

Why he's still beloved by a good segment of the population I cannot fathom.

The name of the Washington DC airport is an embarrassment.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Aug 15 - 04:10 PM

Unless you have to portray a certain political correctness, we all call the airport National.

While on TV with a panel of Psychiatric experts I mentioned the obvious presentation of an organic brain disorder by then President Reagan. The panel backed up so fast they almost fell down trying to distance themselves.

Denying the obvious is still makes a paid media career today.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 16 Aug 15 - 01:22 PM

Unless you have to portray a certain political correctness, we all call the airport National.

Political correctness be damned- the official name is the Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 16 Aug 15 - 01:41 PM

It was probably just a flight of fancy.....


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 16 Aug 15 - 02:43 PM

Eckie thump!
Its Donald Trump
The man with all that money


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:30 AM

FWIW, he's reporting for jury duty in Manhatten.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:31 AM

The Trump Platform

Question: What about the economy?
Trump: It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about trade deficits?
Trump: Carl Icahn gets China. It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about immigration?
Trump: We're gonna build a wall. It'll say "Trump Wall" in big lights. It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about women's issues?
Trump: I love women, except Megyn Kelly and Rosie O'Donnell, and maybe Carly Fiorina-- only if she's not nice to me. It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about jobs?
Trump: We're gonna create jobs. Everybody will work for me, unless I fire them from "Celebrity Apprentice." It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about terrorism?
Trump: We're gonna make America great again by killing everyone who disagrees with me on anything. It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about veteran's issues?
Trump: I love veterans who don't get captured and tortured for six years, like John McCain. It's gonna be great, trust me.

Question: What about male pattern baldness?
Trump: I'm doing a deal to market my own brand of toupees. It's gonna be great, trust me.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 05:14 PM

Trump's Trail of Tears

"My Immigration plan is to revolk Obama's presidential order, Dream act, ANCHOR BABIES , birth right citizenship etc.

Then they all get deported.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 08:45 PM

Unless my memory, or my reading comprehension, is on the blink at the moment, the Constitution of the United States clearly states that a child born in the United States is a natural born citizen. Apparently that clause, unlike the 2nd amendment, was not dictated directly by almighty God.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 17 Aug 15 - 11:09 PM

Trump is a chump. An empty windbag. I challenged him to a steel cage match in Chicago. I ain't heard back. And I don't expect to. But I sure hope I'm wrong about that, 'cause I cannot wait to put that sucker in a vise grip headlock, drag him around the ring, bounce him off the bars, and watch his toupee scatter to the 4 winds.

- Chongo


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Teribus
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 06:09 AM

Opening Post is definitely very much tongue-in-cheek. Amazed at many contributing this thread as though Donald Trump was "SERIOUSLY" running for office - he has absolutely no intention of becoming POTUS. His value and contribution from the Republican side of things is that he is rich enough:

1) To be able to play his role
2) Say whatever he likes as for him there are no "political minefields"

Both of the above mean that Trump can say any outrageous thing he wants as a "potential" Republican Presidential hopeful - the Democrats have to respond and he can take them to areas and subjects that they would rather not address.

Trump's run for President is a decoy, a massive deception.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 08:46 AM

> the Democrats have to respond and he can take them to areas and subjects that they would rather not address.

>Trump's run for President is a decoy, a massive deception.

I disagree. At the moment, he's taking his GOP rivals to areas where they don't want to go. The Democrats are mostly ignoring him - as well they should. If nominated, it's hard to imagine - right now - that he could win as a Republican.

Like it or not, he's catching on. My neighbors are big Trump supporters because "He's going to make America great again."

The anger here at a do-nothing, ultra-partisan Congress is real. Trump's populist "message" is that career politicians are so dependent on wealthy lobbyists (like himself, he readily admits) that they no longer work for the good of the people is hardly without merit. He is also appealing because he says what he thinks, rarely dodges a question or employs double-talk, exudes optimism and confidence, and insists (unlike many other Republicans) that there are many problems that absolutely must be addressed.

The latest poll shows him twice as popular as Jeb Bush, and with %60 popularity among Republican women.

Conspiracy theorists over here brand Trump as a "decoy" for the *Democrats.* He used to be a Democrat, once held liberal positions on certain issues, and spoke on the phone with Bill Clinton just a few weeks before he announced his candidacy.

Don't touch that dial.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: EBarnacle
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:34 AM

Here's a report on his jury duty in the Murdock/Fox New York Post:

http://nypost.com/2015/08/17/trump-shows-up-for-jury-duty-in-manhattan/


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 09:38 AM

Again, Trump the obnoxious piece of crap spewing racist and other assorted ridicvulous garbage is not the problem.

The millions of assholes that support and approve of him and his obnoxious garbage are the real problem for the U.S.

The G.O.P. may not recover from the Trump-Ailes-Fux News sideshow.

I hope.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Lighter
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 12:46 PM

Of course I meant "donors," not "lobbyists," though the two are sometimes the same.

And "60%."


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 05:04 PM

[Trump] is also appealing because he says what he thinks...

So did Eichmann. Appealing to who???


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 06:06 PM

Personally I think the man is a breath of fresh air in American politics. He isn't afraid to speak out and say what all of us have said or thought at some stage.

America has saw liberalism hasn't worked, it isn't Canada,all the smiling and false love for the brothers isn't reality.

America is a superpower, could you see Putin getting off with his antics had Bush been in power ?

Hugging and embracing some third world group of spongers is well and good for those living in homes surrounded by three acres of land, not so for those getting them dumped upon them in suburban reality.

Donald Trump is fantastic and would make a great president.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 06:19 PM

Putting on a cynical hat and a conspiracy theorist scarf, one *might* argue that Trump will never be the Republican candidate for President for no other reason than he's too rich to be bought by corporate lobbyists or Citizens United-ish contributions. If this premise is accepted, then who does that leave?

Cruz and Rand Paul are too anti-establishment -- they would be a pain in the ass to control with all that stuff about "the Constitution" this and "the Constitution" that. Corporations don't care about the Constitution.

Huckabee is too religious -- he may actually believe some of Jesus' ethical teachings (but who knows; it's a gamble).

Rick Perry is too much like the Shrub -- he's sufficiently dumb enough to muck things up on a dangerous level.

Rubio hmmm... young and hungry -- maybe. But would he play ball with the big boys?

Ben Carson -- no. As he's had a brilliant and distinguished career being the smartest guy in the surgical room, he's not used to taking orders, even if it's on an issue he supports. He's used to calling all the shots himself, not having the shots called for him in return for corporate favors.   

Kasich has popular appeal and may have a chance to dissuade some Democrat voters from voting for Hillary, especially if Benghazi regains traction and this new email scandal gets a good head of steam. But as governor he's already bucked his party by accepting Obamacare in the state of Ohio, so...he seems to care just a little too much for those who are not made of money. Probably not.

Carly Fiorina -- interesting case. She used to be one of "them" until she (according to Trump) drove Hewlitt-Packard stock into the ground and got fired. Still, she's spent most of her adult life absorbing every facet of the corporate mindset, so perhaps she could be bought easily enough, especially if the carrot of "first woman President of the United States" is dangled enticingly in front of her.

Walker? -- he's a good soldier for the party. He's willing to place himself in the line of fire for corporate interests. A real stand-up guy. But loyalty doesn't always get the recognition it deserves. If he got the VP slot, well... maybe next time around.

Bush? -- the odds on favorite. He's been around politics -- presidential politics even, by way of Daddy and Shrub -- long enough to know how the game is played and in his mind has probably already acquiesced the sacrificing his soul.

The rest of the field is just white noise to distract Republican voters who don't know to vote for corporate interests.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 06:20 PM

what all of us have said or thought at some stage.

Only "those of us" who are assholes, guest. Such as yourself.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Aug 15 - 07:24 PM

Donald Trump is just the kind of person that Ayn Rand would want for President.

Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, is a decent man, has the solutions to the country's problems, and he knows where his towel is.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Greg F.
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 09:12 AM

Speaking of Ayn Rand & her ilk, Click Here


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Donuel
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 09:27 PM

"I am not a fan of Hitler" trump quote or not?

"I am the greatest golfer of all candidates" trump quote or not?


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:22 AM

I watched Trump say "I am not a fan of Hitler". Don't know about the other quote.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 06:47 AM

A wonderful man, takes no prisoners, calls it as it is and will make America great again after years of a novelty clown who was out for his own.

America needs a man with a pair of clinkers, Donald is the man.


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Subject: RE: BS: The Greatness of Donald Trump
From: GUEST,Alan Ross
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 07:28 PM

Donald Trump another Gun lobby supporter.   Trump's view - America doesn't have a gun problem, it's all down to mental health. Yeah, so give anybody the right to own guns... How would he feel if some idiot shot a member of his family, would he still support the gun lobby then?


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