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Subject: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 12 Aug 15 - 08:51 PM As the fires rage in several states in the western part of the USA, (and maybe Canada) can't help but stay concerned about Mudcatters who may end up in harm's way as the fire season rages in that terribly drought-stricken part of the continent. Check in now and then, folks. Let us know that you are OK, if you are at any given point in time, and also let us know if not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 12 Aug 15 - 11:11 PM The big fires around here (NorCal) - Rocky and Jerusalem - are in the next county, about 30 - 40 miles northeast, and burning away from my location, luckily in the direction of sparsely populated forest lands. Let's hope the wind doesn't turn. A big shout-out to the firefighters. Those people are heroes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 12 Aug 15 - 11:28 PM It could be that one of those wildfires is closer to Joe Offer. Joe! Speak up! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 13 Aug 15 - 06:56 AM Joe has posted as recently as this morning, Ebbie: "Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing Book II: 'Rise Again' From: Joe Offer - PM Date: 13 Aug 15 - 04:56 AM " |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST,# Date: 13 Aug 15 - 10:22 AM There are at present over 6,000 forest/wildland fires burning in Canada. That's up about 2,000 from 2014. FYI. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Megan L Date: 13 Aug 15 - 11:24 AM Keep safe folks |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 13 Aug 15 - 01:32 PM There's a wonderful Website, http://yubanet.com/, that give up-to-date information about fires all over California. We're northeast of Sacramento, and the Lowell Fire was about 15 miles from us and across the Bear River, and it's now 100% contained - still smoldering in spots, but not a danger. It burned 2,304 acres. We have friends in the evacuation area, and they're OK. The biggest fire, the Rocky Fire, is in Lake County, maybe forty miles west of Sacramento. It burned 69,636 acres, over ten square miles. It's now 95% contained. The Jerusalem Fire, also in Lake County, has burned 23,500 acres and is 33% contained. There are lots of fires in the northernmost part of California, but they're one or two hundred miles away from the Mudcatters I know in Northern California. Over the years, a number of Mudcatters have lost their homes to fire. It's a scary thing - but for now, all California Mudcatters seem safe. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 13 Aug 15 - 06:41 PM Thanks Joe and michaelr. Hope all stay safe as the fire season wears on. And what you said about the fire fighters, mirchaelr. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:18 PM I have never been impacted by wildfire but I was visiting my daughter and her family in Escondido when a bad fire was being fought down there. This was the one that did a lot of damage in Laguna Hills then jumped a highway and continued on. It burnt a lot of the vegetation in the San Diego Wild Animal Park. We stood in my daughter's backyard and watched the smoke and flames over the ridge. I mean it literally- we could actually see leaping flames. I said that I have never been impacted by wildfire- but I just recalled a scary afternoon at my dad's place some years ago. I happened to be visiting when my brother came in and informed us that a fire was burning up the slope of a hayfield behind the barn. I spent the next couple of hours with a shovel and a gunny sack beating back flames. Because the field was stubble, the flames weren't high but there was a good breeze blowing and the affected area was wide. My brother had asthma and wasn't able to help directly but he kept dunking the gunny sacks in water and returning them to me. We got the fire out before it reached the woods but it was touch and go for awhile. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:54 PM I hear you, Ebbie. Nothing compared to raging forest fires, but my one experience with putting out a fire made me aware of how a little ignorance has the potential for a huge impact. Ex-Hubby and I were living in a travel trailer in a little clearing in the woods. Was a drought year in NC, which doesn't compare at all to even typical dry season weather on the west coast. Don't remember what started the fire - probably a spark from a smudge stick or something like that. Dry grass and leaves flamed up. No big deal though we were startled by how quickly it flared and spread. We thought we could beat it out quickly. Except that 1. we were standing downwind from the flames and 2. the bulk of leaf litter and dry woods were upwind. Our efforts to beat out and smother the flames added to the effects of wind in driving the flames forward toward more combustible material. We fortunately realized that in time for one of us to move in front of the fire while the other ran to hook up a hose. Was pretty scary and a close call. I expect/hope that most people who live in drier and chronically fire-prone regions are a bit better informed than were we. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Bev and Jerry Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:01 AM We live in California but there have been no large fires anywhere near us. However, we live in a pine and oak forest and the pines are dropping like flies - on average about 40% are dead. In some places it's as high as 90%. We have a very small lot and, so far, only one tree has died and it was rather puny. We had it removed to protect a nearby house. No one around here can remember a time when the forest was so dry. If a fire starts, it will be explosive. A few weeks ago we had the worst lighting storm we have seen in 55 years in California. It started two trees smoldering. One burst into flames 5 days later and the other nearly two weeks after the storm. Fortunately, firefighters got on both of them (and a third one) really fast and held them to about one acre each. So far, so good but it can happen at any moment. Bev and Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:53 AM Two words: Defensible space. It means remove all vegetation around your house and outbuildings for as far as your property allows. |
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Subject: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada From: Rapparee Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:22 PM We've been under air quality alerts for a week now, meaning that I can't really get much done outside. No active fires nearby, but lots of smoky air. How are the rest of you faring? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada From: maeve Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:29 PM I believe we've only heard from a couple of folks out there in regard to the fires and smoke: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=157903&messages=12#3730192 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada From: Rapparee Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:47 PM I searched but didn't find anything; if I had I'd have resurrected it. Oh well. We currently have 771,271 acres actively burning here in Idaho, or about 1,200 square miles (or for you Others, like Canadians, 312,122 hectares -- but Canada has its own fires). That's a lot of smoke, not including the fires in Oregon, Washington, Northern California, and Montana.
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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada From: Janie Date: 23 Aug 15 - 11:31 PM Might a mod combine the two threads under this title? Gonna continue to be a long, hard fire season for many Mudcatters in the west, and many of us not living in the western USA and Canada will continue to be concerned for the land and the people in harm's way, and especially for fellow mudcatters. Would be good to have one thread where folks can either check in or inquire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada From: GUEST,DrWord Date: 23 Aug 15 - 11:32 PM ~295,000 hectares burned in British Columbia since April~ Significant fires in Alberta and Saskatchewan as well dennis |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jeri Date: 24 Aug 15 - 09:57 AM As near as I can tell, two threads were combined last night, then both were deleted. I don't think that was supposed to happen. This one's back. Seems like those in the west not getting the fires are getting the smoke. Hope you get rained upon soon. Stay safe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:40 AM 70 Australian firefighters left here a couple of days ago to help fight these fires. Some of your firefighters might be here later this year as we are expecting a very bad 15/16 fire season. Fire authorities have been burning off this week in various locations to cut the risk. sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 24 Aug 15 - 12:10 PM Here in Penticton B.C. we're very much affected by four different fires.....two in Oliver, one in Rock Creek, and one in NOrthern Washington (The Stickpin fire). Even though right now we're not in any specific danger. We have incredible smoke in the air in Penticton........making it hard for people to go outside (affecting my wife who has suffered from asthma). A number of homes in the ROck Creek area burned, and Christina Lake is threatened by the Stickpin fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Megan L Date: 24 Aug 15 - 01:15 PM Larry do what you have to to stay safe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Don Firth Date: 24 Aug 15 - 01:43 PM Smokey haze in the air yesterday in Seattle and the air smelled pretty bad. I haven't been outside yet today, so I don't know how it is. I have a friend who has a nice big cabin out in the woods in Okenagen County. Some years ago I went up there with him several times. But I'm afraid it's right in the middle of one of the major fire areas. I haven't seen Mike in several years, so I don't have any way of finding out. This whole thing is pretty disastrous. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 24 Aug 15 - 03:39 PM As of right now, Alaska has four fires going, one of which is over 330,00 acres (133,500+ hectares), 15 in Arizona, 37 in California, 3 in Florida (one over 35,000 acres), 27 in Idaho, 1 in Louisiana, 2 in Minnesota, 23 in Montana, 3 in Nevada, 5 in New Mexico, 2 in North Carolina, 19 in Oregon, 1 in Utah, 26 in Washington, and 2 in Wyoming. The smoke isn't so back at the moment, about 60 on the scale used, with 50 being the upper limit of "OK". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 24 Aug 15 - 06:36 PM Most of the fires in Alaska currently are being only monitored rather than fought, since no there are no homes or humans in the vicinity. There are several, though, that have the potential of doing harm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: gnu Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:29 PM It's horrifying to watch some of the videos. There is one on YT that shows the speed of one in the Okanogan. Truly terrifying. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: gnu Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:33 PM Odd that I should see this thread after just posting a song on another thread about sommat similar from a comedy music perspective. Maybe it might provide a laugh in such a tragic time? I hesitated to post it herein but that never stopped me before so... Buddy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:53 PM When you're on the lines you need humor, Noir or otherwise. The air was much clearer this afternoon, but it's forecast to go bad again tomorrow. Somehow the song "Keep the Home Fires Burning" seems inappropriate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 27 Aug 15 - 06:17 PM Thinking of y'all in fire and smoke zones...we know something of it. http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-wildfires-idUSKCN0QV29Y20150827 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST,Bert Date: 27 Aug 15 - 11:14 PM I am usually the first one to speak out about our current trend to "Blame the Victim" But it beats me why the hell do people build wooden houses in the middle of the forest. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 27 Aug 15 - 11:29 PM Bert- One does not always have a choice. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST,Bert Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:09 AM I dunno, Someone CHOSE to build wooden houses there. There is a hell of a lot of other places to build. Forest land is usually quite expensive. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Larry The Radio Guy Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:34 AM Bert----If you build near water, you risk floods. If you build in prairie, you risk tornadoes. Near cliffs (above or below)---avalanches or mud slides. Other places....earthquakes. Pollution (leading to asthma or bronchial infections). I think it's easy to step outside the forest and see only the trees. Everything in life is a cost/benefit and we can never predict any of them with any certainty. So I choose not to judge in most instances. That being said, Grand Forks, Oliver, and even Kelowna are being threatened with fire behaviour (the latter more related to ashes). And all of us are very affected by the bad air from the fires. And areas near Oliver and Grand Forks have evacuation alerts. So it is a scary situation. Fortunately, they are forecasted rain and cooler weather for the weekend. We hope that this will change the situation significantly for the better. We live in a little rented four plex in the middle of Penticton right below an embankment that has lots of trees. The back is beautiful trees and forest. The front is downtown Penticton. We always had more cause to fer the latter than the former. BUt if somebody above us happens to throw out a lighted cigarette---we could be in big trouble. Fortunatey right now we're confident we'll survive the next couple days, then maybe the rain and cooler weather will lower the risk. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:23 AM Well, Bert, there are a lot of trees in the forest to build houses out of, ya know... The term "wildfire" has become more popular in recent years, rather than "forest fire." It's undergrowth and chaparral that cause the real danger, not the trees. But if there's lots of undergrowth, the trees will burn, too. We had lots of Ponderosa pines burn in the fire across the freeway from us last October - very few homes burned, though. I think there were 6 homes lost. There were 50 homes lost in town about five years ago, in an area where nobody thought there could be a fire. But there was grass and brush surrounding the neighborhood. That caught fire, and the whole neighborhood went up in smoke. Two friends of mine lost their homes. That being said, I think we'd have lost our home if that fire had been on this side of the freeway last year. We do our best to keep a "defensible space" without having it barren around the house, but I don't think anything would save us if a fire got started here. We live in a farm house built in the 1940s. We have a composition roof, not wood shingles. But it's a wooden house. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST,# Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:49 AM "But it beats me why the hell do people build wooden houses in the middle of the forest." Wouldn't matter what people built the houses out of. The heat generated by forest/wildfires will destroy anything inside whatever one builds the structure from. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST, ^*^ Date: 28 Aug 15 - 08:41 AM Wildland managers have, over the last 100+ years, made a huge mistake in the management of their forest acreage. They put out all of the fires. Most fires pre government management (see Joe's remark above) would burn the undergrowth and small timber ("dog hair") but the mature trees are left standing in most fire situations when fire regularly passes through removing the understory fuel. Local tribes in western states are often attributed with traditions of burning out the chaparral every few seasons. When you let that fuel build up by continually putting it out after lightning strikes, it's like building a bonfire under the standing timber, and then you see the mature growth crown out when the ground fire is so hot convection ignites the tops of the trees. The discussion over the last 20 years has been how to clear out that undergrowth without setting off huge fires that destroy the standing timber. Mechanically crawling over all of that acreage is physically impossible if even if it were, would be beyond any budget to practically manage. There are fire retardant foams that can be sprayed on structures to help prevent total destruction. http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-re-fire25nov25-story.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: GUEST,# Date: 28 Aug 15 - 08:53 AM I mentioned that foam a number of years back on this site. Problem in part is that insurance companies weren't able to offer lower premiums to offset the cost. Perhaps that's changed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:13 PM A friend who lives in central Washington is posting beautiful and terrifying photos on Facebook. Georgeous pictures of hills several miles away, backlit at night by fires raging just below the ridgetops, and a night sky full of dangerous sparks that look like shooting stars. Continuing to hold all in my thoughts and meditations. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 13 Sep 15 - 03:52 PM OK, it's getting really bad now. The Valley Fire in Lake County exploded from 400 to 40,000 acres in five hours yesterday, whipped by gusty 20-30mph winds, and forced the evacuation of thousands of residents. Overnight, it burned dozens of homes in Cobb, Middletown and Hidden Lake, as well as the well-known Harbin Hot Springs resort. At this time, we don't know whether the 100+ year old home that was converted into a salon where my wife works part-time is still there. A number of her friends and co-workers have been evacuated, and we know that at least two of them lost their homes. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Sep 15 - 04:18 PM Stay safe out there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 13 Sep 15 - 04:48 PM CalFire now estimates 1,000 homes lost in the Valley fire. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 13 Sep 15 - 05:23 PM 50,000 acres burned in 24 hours. No containment, and it's still spreading. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 13 Sep 15 - 08:43 PM I am so sorry. And they mentioned last night that the Santa Ana winds will soon begin. September is a cruel month in dry weather. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 13 Sep 15 - 10:07 PM Thinking of michaelr and all in the recent and future path of fire. I remember. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 13 Sep 15 - 10:41 PM According to the news there are two small fires in Yellowstone NP, which they are watching -- one has been burning since August. There is another small fire in Fremont County, north of here. We've been lucky as there are no large fires nearby. However, the air quality has been pretty bad. I have relatives-by-marriage in the Shasta-Trinity fires area, and I know what those in California, Washington, and elsewhere are going through. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Sep 15 - 12:22 AM Here's a link to the most up-to-date fire reports in Northern California: It's distressing to see that the Valley Fire in Lake County (not far from Nape) has taken hundreds of structures and has burned 50,000 acres. The fire that affects us here in Applegate is the Butte Fire in Amador County. It has burned 65,000 acres and taken 214 structures. We're 65 miles away, but we haven't seen the sun for two days because of the smoke. We may not be in danger, but it's spooky outside and very uncomfortable. I think this is the worst fire season I can remember since I arrived in California in 1970. Last year wasn't a bad season by comparison, but there was a major fire that started a few hundred yards from my home. That's the most directly I've been affected by fire. I hope it never comes that close again. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Vashta Nerada Date: 14 Sep 15 - 01:09 AM A fire near your home last year means a lot of built-up fuel was removed. That's an excellent thing for this year and the next several to come. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Sep 15 - 02:26 AM Oh, don't worry, Vashta - we have plenty more to burn. We do have some pretty good firebreaks around the house, but I think a big fire would take us anyhow. There's lots of vegetation my wife the gardener won't part with. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:39 AM Appreciate y'all taking the time to check in. Can't imagine what it must be like. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 14 Sep 15 - 10:15 AM A couple of years ago 64 houses, along with their outbuildings, burned south of town, about seven miles from here. The usual story of dry fuel, high temperatures, and high winds. Many places had "defensible space" and followed all of the recommended anti-wildfire steps, but such a fire can spread faster and hotter than what man proposes. And, of course, you have the usual fools who for whatever reason plant cedars as foliage to cover the basement line, think tumbleweeds are "cute" and leave them stack up, don't believe it can happen to them, etc. etc. If you'd like to follow the fires, try here. Think of the damage to animals, including cattle and pets, as well as the damage to humans. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:44 PM This is our local paper's twitter feed. Lots of mind-blowing photos and video. I've never seen anything like it. Thankfully we're getting a bit of rain today. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: michaelr Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:49 PM http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-harrowing-videos-show-man-escaping-flames-of-valley-fire-20150914-htmlstory.html |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 14 Sep 15 - 09:43 PM One of the Yellowstone NP fires is now more than two square miles. Small by comparison, but like all of the fires it could easily become much, much larger. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 15 Sep 15 - 02:22 AM Those videos are absolutely terrifying. Because we are viewing the video I know they survived but I held my breath practically the entire time. I've never seen anything so bad. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Sep 15 - 03:44 AM We had just a bit of rain today, and that helped clear the smoke quite a bit. I went outside just after the rain, and I could hardly breathe - I wonder if the water-smoke mix is what caused that. Soon after, I could breathe almost normally - and I can see stars in the sky tonight! A wind kicked up with the rain, which may make things worse in the fire area - but it sure makes things better here. The smoke was really hard on us. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 15 Sep 15 - 07:28 AM any more rain forecast, Joe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 15 Sep 15 - 10:27 AM It's bad in Alaska, Alberta...all the way down into Wyoming. The West is burning and national or provincial or state boundaries are being ignored. To date, 15 August 2015: 3,953,043 hectares, or 9,768,182 acres, are burning in Canada. 3,398,504 hectares, or 8,397,886 acres, are burning the US. That's 18,165,068 acres burning (if I added correctly). England has a total area of 32,192,642 acres. You can figure it from there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Bill D Date: 15 Sep 15 - 12:15 PM They said El Nino would bring some rain...probably too much.. to California. I think people would take it over this.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 15 Sep 15 - 12:31 PM I dunno. It's raining here and I hope everywhere else in the West. But without something to retard the flow of water it could all come down in a rush, especially since the ground is baked hard. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 16 Sep 15 - 03:38 AM Right. The deluge they underwent today has led to bad flooding. A number of people have died. And as they said on the news tonight, since central and southern California get the bulk of their water from the mountains up north, the deluge has not abated their drought. As of today, Alaska has 93 - ninety-three! - wildfires burning. Most of them, however, are not in populated areas. And as has been noted above, those fires should be cleaning out the underbrush. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 16 Sep 15 - 11:07 PM Rained again today! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 17 Sep 15 - 12:58 AM No significant spread of the California fires in the last 24 hours. There was precipitation over the two biggest fires on Tuesday, and the weather has been almost cold. This is the first day in almost a week that we've had clear skies, with no sign of smoke. So far, so good. The pictures in the newspapers show lots of devastation in places I thought would never burn. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 27 Sep 15 - 04:14 AM Gee, there's a new fire 2 freeway exits from me, and I didn't even know about it. Looks like they got it under control, and it burned only 6 acres. Whew! This page shows a video of what we go through every summer. For the most part, it's kinda interesting. But when it gets too close to home, it's worrisome. I imagine our fire season won't be over for at least another month this year, maybe even into November. I sure hope we get rain this winter. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 27 Sep 15 - 08:31 PM you certainly are living in interesting times, Joe Is useful rain included in the local long range forecasts? sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 28 Sep 15 - 02:57 AM Joe's remark about hoping for rain reminded me of an exchange I overheard on the bus one day some years ago. There was a 30ish woman complaining to a young tourist couple about the weather in Juneau, Alaska. As soon as her husband's Coast Guard deployment is up, they're out of here, she said. There are no decent shops and it's expensive and it never is warm and it rains all the time, she said. She paused. Where are you from, she asked. San Diego. Ah, you have sun! Very quietly, the young man responded, But we have no water. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 28 Sep 15 - 03:38 AM Peter Rowan has a great "Rainmaker" song: The clouds today made me think rain was coming, but they cleared in time for us to see the eclipse. Mixed blessing. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jul 18 - 12:23 AM It is that time of year again, with a vengeance. Joe, are you near any of this? Laurel? Jeni? Others? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jim Carroll Date: 28 Jul 18 - 02:06 AM I haven't been following this but I wonder has anybody around to wondering what is happening to our planet In our part of the world on the West coast of Ireland our weather has changed radically over the last five or six years Storms high wings and hurricanes have become so regular they have been given names Last winter we saw snow that immobilised the area for several days - unheard of in my experience Farmers here are now using winter feed to keep their stock alive and wondering what they are going to feed them on next winter Not all bad news - in places the weather changes have exposed a number of Bronze-Age archeological sites !! I hate bringing politics into this but it's about time somebody had a word in the nice Mr Trump's ear and get his boys back around the Climate Change table !! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: ChanteyLass Date: 28 Jul 18 - 10:22 PM I'm with you, Jim! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Jul 18 - 10:24 PM Me, too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 29 Jul 18 - 02:21 AM I don't know of any California Mudcatters near the fires. We've had a lot of smoke and a few little fires, but nothing to cause any worry. The big fires are 150-200 miles from me, 100 miles from Laurel. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jim Carroll Date: 29 Jul 18 - 03:06 AM I read yesterday that the present weather changes that are causing these fires are due to a weakening ot tide movements, the gulf stream being the one that is affecting us in Ireland These changes have been brought about by the overhead temperature changes caused by Global warming and are set to continue for another couple of years. HERE It hasn't helped that we've used up all the plastic that could have been made into containers to put the fires out to kill off our OCEAN WILDLIFE Nice to know we've left our kids something worthwhile to keep them from getting bored Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jack Campin Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM Sofia Labropoulou on FB has been posting some horrifying stuff about the fires in Greece. Looks like the property developers see this kind of catastrophe as a golden opportunity, and bugger all the people killed, bereaved, crippled or dispossessed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jeri Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:26 AM The west appears to be burning. Map of fires (Warning: they want you to buy them a coffee.) We're in this cycle in the eastern US of hot/humid, torrential thunderstorms, a nice day, repeat. The torrents are rather new, but I'll take them over the world burning down any day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: wysiwyg Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:32 AM Our son, DIL, and their baby are in a shelter near the Redding fire, which has probably destroyed the house and farmette they rent, and their animals. ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 29 Jul 18 - 10:28 AM Last night I listened to a horrifying story on NPR of a man who survived one of the fires that hit his coastal fishing village in Greece. It could just as easily happen here. If you've ever read Young Men and Fire you may remember the daring escape a group of fire fighters enacted in the mountains of Montana (or thereabouts). They were racing uphill ahead of a fire and the leader stopped, lit a fire ahead of them, and as it burned up the mountain the men stepped into the burned path and walked behind their fire. When the wild fire reached that point, the fuel was already gone and they survived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 29 Jul 18 - 08:51 PM The Grassy Ridge Fire has burned over 115,000 acres (46,538.85 hectares). Fortunately for me it's 80+ miles northwest, unfortunately last night the town of Dubois was ordered evacuated (now that order has been lifted). We have relatives in Redding and Shasta area. One town, French Gulch, was where my wife's uncle met his wife and where they lived in a wall tent for the first two years of their marriage. Other relatives live in Hayfork. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Senoufou Date: 30 Jul 18 - 02:31 AM My heart goes out to those caught up in these terrifying events. The devastation of enormous tracts of land looked appalling on the TV News. I'm so sorry for anyone on Mudcat who has family or friends in the thick of it. Even after the fires are extinguished (which may take weeks or even months) the aftermath, loss of life, home, farm stock, livelihood etc will reverberate down the years. Jim is quite right - global warming MUST be addressed by all nations, or we'll all have to suffer the consequences of irresponsibility, greed and ignorance. If no steps are taken, one could say our little blue planet is terminally ill. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: wysiwyg Date: 30 Jul 18 - 11:18 AM Son and family report that their home was spared but badly vandalized, and local police even watered their critters! ~S~ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 31 Jul 18 - 05:02 AM There was no sun at all here on Sunday - the smoke was just too thick, even though the fires are 150 miles away. A bit of sun on Monday, but still very smoky. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Senoufou Date: 31 Jul 18 - 06:03 AM The air pollution must be terrible Joe. We had something similar (on a much smaller scale) in UK on the Yorkshire Moors. The peat burned for ages, and the smoke plume stretched right across to Manchester. How appalling to have to contend with looting as well as the aftermath of the fires wysiwyg. How could people be so wicked?!! This has been a very strange summer. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: open mike Date: 31 Jul 18 - 12:08 PM There are 17 fires burning in CA, the largest one, the Carr fire is over 100,000 acres. It has destroyed over eight hundred homes, and caused 6 fatalities. Two fires to the west of here are burning together and so the "River" fire and the "Ranch" fire are covering several counties. Firefighters from Australia an dNew Zealand are coming to help...it is their "off" season and we appreciate their assistance~! Oh, yes, are we to believe there is no such thing as global warming/?! There are fires in Greece, Sweden, and near the Arctic Circle.....this is unheard of! We have had tripel digit temperatures for weeks.... 10 years ago a 60,000 acre fire destroyed my home and over 200 others in the area. I have re-built, but many are still struggling to regain their footing. The current situations bring back memories and trigger PTSD in many fire survivors. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 01 Aug 18 - 03:05 AM Gee, a fire burned 2-3 acres at the end of my road today, and I didn't know about it. If the sky had been clear, it would have been easy to see. I'm glad the firefighters put it out. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: keberoxu Date: 01 Aug 18 - 11:38 AM I had a dear friend whose Durango home was in trouble six weeks ago. Guess the Colorado folks are mostly out of danger now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jack Campin Date: 01 Aug 18 - 01:24 PM Portugal next? http://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/extreme-fire-danger-during-the-intense-heat-wave-across-spain-and-portugal-this-week/ http://wildfiretoday.com/tag/portugal/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Aug 18 - 09:56 PM This Sacramento Bee video will give you an idea of the impact of the fire. It wiped out the little town of Keswick, upriver from the City of Redding. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Rapparee Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:12 PM So far around here it's only been land that's burned, a couple hundred thousand acres. One just south of town was threatening the veterans' home but the firefighters got it in time. Stay tuned -- this week is supposed to reach 100+F and like the last month or more, no rain forecast. There has been "dry thunderstorms" and some of the fires were caused by lightning. A few have, unfortunately, been caused by humans. The most recent, 2,000 acres or so, was caused when a combine caught fire in a field; it was the third fire caused by a combine catching fire (if you don't know, a combine. is a harvesting machine). Considering how much they cost the farmers/ranchers are out a LOT of money. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:24 PM Do they have a heat threshold as such that working in the higher temperatures makes them burn? Or just a string of bad luck? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 07 Aug 18 - 02:59 AM I don't know why, but they say higher temp weather does have an effect and makes fires worse. Joe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 08 Aug 18 - 08:02 AM I heard a report that all the combined California fires now ranks as the largest recorded California fire of all time. JUNE 2018 WAS THE ALL TIME HIGHEST GLOBAL TEMPERATURE |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 12 Aug 18 - 11:53 PM Gee, I got a call from a friend just now who said there's a fire burning half a mile from me. I'm surprised that I haven't heard a thing. It covers only 1.5 acres, but there were 60 personnel working the fire. It's 80% contained, so we're pretty safe. There were planes dumping water and retardant, but I didn't hear planes or sirens at all. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 15 Aug 18 - 09:04 PM You have my sympathy, Joe. I hope your neighborhood escapes any fires. Are you prepared to make a dash for it? Important papers by the door, cars gassed up? Water in the trunk? (The water is the DH's suggestion.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 04 Sep 18 - 07:45 PM Well, we had a few days of cooler temperatures and clear skies. But today, we're back to fire season. From a distance, it looks like the two fires are right on top of us, but they's actually 25 miles to the east and south. Tanker and spotter planes have been flying over the house all afternoon, and the air is getting smoky again. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: ChanteyLass Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:01 PM Oh, no! I can't imagine breathing that air. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:50 PM I sure hope the fires bypass your home and your town. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 05 Sep 18 - 10:31 PM When I spoke to my son two weeks ago in Seattle he described how awful the air was and how difficult it is to wear the face mask general filter over a beard. He was thinking about trying to get one of the larger heavier silicon or rubber masks, but I think things cleared up before he went so far. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 07 Sep 18 - 12:28 PM Even small fires can change history like Alexandria |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 08 Sep 18 - 11:38 AM Joe, are you making preparations for evacuation? Beloved instruments loaded in the car, jewelry somewhere safe, medicines and cash ready for evacuation, pets rounded up? Insurance premiums paid? Cars gassed up? The DH says: a couple of gallons of water in the car. The fire authority has a list of things they want you to do. Google it if you haven't already. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Nov 18 - 03:48 AM Laurel, what's your situation? Please let us know. It sounds very serious. Joe |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Nov 18 - 07:40 PM We're about a hundred miles south of the Northern California fire in Paradise. Laurel (open mike) is very near it, so I'm concerned about her. The skies were clear and blue this morning. About 3 PM, I saw very dark sky to the northwest, and then it became overcast. I think this is all smoke, although I can't smell it. My area is just as vulnerable as Paradise. Sometimes I wonder how long we will be able to escape serious fire. There was a bad fire half a mile from us a couple years ago. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 10 Nov 18 - 08:33 AM These are the most destructive fires in California history and are as serious as it gets. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:32 AM Thousand Oaks has had a dreadful one-two punch this week. The shootings and now the fires. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Tattie Bogle Date: 10 Nov 18 - 12:58 PM Keep safe, Joe and Laurel. Thinking of you. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Senoufou Date: 10 Nov 18 - 04:38 PM Saw the latest bulletin on the News this evening, 200,000 evacuated and 11 deaths. Fervent hopes that any Mudcatters in the region are safe and that their property isn't under threat. Eliza |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:35 PM Animals affected by the fires. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 11 Nov 18 - 04:44 AM Laurel (open mike), along with her partner, horses and dog are safe. She lost her house again. In her words, "I am a survivor, not a victim." Familiar words. She says hello to Joe Offer and others who've been concerned. It is too soon to know how friends can help. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 11 Nov 18 - 05:46 AM I s'pose I should mention Laurel does not have access to her FB account. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Janie Date: 11 Nov 18 - 09:37 AM Thanks, Maeve. I just saw on Dennis's FB that she had posted. I'm not on Mudcat much any more, but will check in here for information or links when and if it is known how we might be helpful to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Nov 18 - 10:53 AM California has simply never seen fires like this before, according to the reporting in New York Times. And you can ignore Trumps rants and threats about withholding money for fire fighting and forestry due to "bad management" - he doesn't know what he's talking about. This isn't a case of forest management. This is the "urban interface," this is other stuff than managed forests or wilderness. I'm so sorry, Laurel, but I'm so glad you're all safe. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:23 AM Trump has threatened to withhold all Federal disaster aid relief from the California fire victims. He says he is blaming/punishing the Firefighters and Forestry Dept. for their incompetence. After all upstate NY and 5th Ave. never have such problems. Trump naturally wants people to know that Californians have betrayed him by being a Democratic stronghold. This disaster is a reality and not a partisan political football Mr. Trump. Climate has changed to the point that all four seasons are now considered to be the fire season. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Nov 18 - 10:50 AM I spoke with a friend from Ventura, CA, last night: she's a professional in the county park system and spent many years, as I did, working for the Forest Service and the Park Service as a ranger and a fire fighter. In December 2017 there were horrific fires in the same general area, and one of them burned to within a couple of blocks of her house. The chaparral area has been colonized by all of the neighborhoods but the tinder dry landscape does what it's going to do - it burns, houses and all. And basically the fuel that was left after last year's fires is what is burning this year. The county is going to be bare of living trees when all of this is over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Gallus Moll Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:12 PM My friend from Heritage of Scotland summer schools at Stirling back in the 1970s/80s (with Jean Redpath) lives in 1000 Oaks so I was worried about her - didn't think she would have been in the bar - she wasn't - (why oh why do so many Americans respond to a mass shooting - by going out and buying guns? No-one outside of USA can understand that!! Ban the damn things!!) Anyway her house is close to a forested area and doesn't seem (google maps) all that far from the Paradise fires but she is fine and not worries at the moment - fingers crossed. However my heart aches for all the poor animals both wild and domestic that are running around in panic - people can choose where they live / when to leave, animals have no option. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 12 Nov 18 - 07:28 PM sending best wishes to Laurel & her afmily & friends & others in the fire zones sandra |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 13 Nov 18 - 11:44 AM New York Times updates. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Nov 18 - 01:25 AM So Trump is Tweeting threats to withhold disaster funds to California because of poor forest management. I wonder if he has any idea how much of the lands destroyed by wildfire belong to the U.S. government. -Joe- https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-state-fires-but-many-worst-federal-land/1971196002/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:47 AM I don't think he has a clue as to who owns what out there, he's just pissed that California voted against him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:57 AM Aid will flow to CA but I suspect as efficiently as PR With Malibu on fire I expect money will talk and BS will walk. Donuel Obvioso |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 16 Nov 18 - 05:04 PM I don't know what Trump is tweeting, but my newspaper says that California has been declared eligible for federal disaster funds for the fires. That's a relief. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Gallus Moll Date: 18 Nov 18 - 06:19 PM how is it I know the town's name is 'Paradise' yet the president of the united states, surrounded by advisors and aides, standing in the actual burned out town -- thinks it is called 'Pleasure'? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 20 Nov 18 - 09:01 PM I think he's a ratfink, but he was still an old man in a stressful situation. So he had a brain fart. Live with it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:01 AM 2 stories from Australia Paradise goes up in flames Satellite images show what little is left of Paradise in California, where hundreds of people are still missing after devastating fires. Paradise burning In the ashes of the small town of Paradise, James Bennett finds carnage and destruction reminiscent of Victoria's Black Saturday fires — and a community with the same grit to start over. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 21 Nov 18 - 10:03 AM In that photo with a few houses still standing it reminds me of a story I read over the weekend where I woman got a call from a stranger. They fled their home, but an ambulance broke down and burned near the house so someone crawled in through a dog door to open the garage door and several sheriff's deputies kept the roof wet and cut brush around the house and nine people sheltered in the garage as the fire passed over. They and the house survived. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:57 PM Well, finally, we have rain. The fire in Paradise started 8 November, about 6:50 AM. By dawn the next morning, it had destroyed Paradise and part of Magalia. Critical fire weather conditions spread the fire to over 100,000 acres in the first two days. Here are this morning's statistics: Size (acres): 153,336 [239.6 square miles] Percent Contained: 80% Estimate of Containment: Nov. 30, 2018 Personnel: 3,745 Structures Destroyed: 17,157 Civilian Fatalities: 81 Single Residences Destroyed: 12,637 Single Residences Damaged: 421 Multiple Residences Destroyed: 310 Commercial Destroyed: 483 Commercial Damaged: 100 Other Minor Structures Destroyed: 3,718 Civilian Fatalities: 79 Paradise and neighboring Chico have had almost an inch of rain. We're at Applegate, almost a hundred miles south, and we've had half an inch and more coming. I suppose there will be mudslides in the fire area, but this rain is a great relief. I wish the best for Laurel and all others who have been affected. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: open mike Date: 23 Nov 18 - 04:17 AM It is overwhelming how much damage destruction and death ?? this fire ?? has caused. We are getting rain now and the fire is nearly 90% contained. I do not plan to return to rebuild at my old homesite. Looking for greener pastures. Hope to be able to play and sing music again... For my sake and for others. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 23 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM I've signed in to fulfill Laurel's/open mike's request for me to post this on her behalf. You'll have seen she was able to make a brief post earlier this morning, but of course it's hard for her to get online. She has been able to load Mudcat long enough to read the PMs 'Catters have left for her, so that's a good way to respond privately if you have thoughts about a replacement guitar so she can continue with music as solace and as a source of income. Alternatively, feel free to send me a PM and I'll send it along to her via email. I've included the link she sent if anyone wishes to and is able to help financially. You'll see she is not asking for anyone to solve her challenges- just lend a helping hand as possible. She's a survivor... her second loss of everything to fire. From open mike/ Laurel today, November 23, 2018: "I do so miss my guitar... It will be difficult to replace her... She had been with me for nearly a half a century. "Martina" was a 60's era Martin D-35-S and there may not be others like her available. If anything similar can be located I would be very grateful for any leads... I do have a gig coming up, and it would be therapeutic to play again! I do have a go fund me account which might be a help if any funds are needed for instruments. Link to help open mike / Laurel after Calif. fires Thank you! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: keberoxu Date: 23 Nov 18 - 07:17 PM Thinking of 'open mike' and her household. Here in Massachusetts there are homeless families in the Merrimack River Valley due to a gas main explosion. A lot of survivors this holiday season. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 26 Nov 18 - 02:22 PM refresh |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 28 Nov 18 - 10:36 AM Yes, open mike. "Greener pastures" and a town with more than one road out. I sympathize about your guitar. I know how much I would miss mine if something happened to it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 28 Nov 18 - 11:17 AM Is Laurel wanting to stay in that general area in California? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 28 Nov 18 - 02:59 PM SRS: I've relayed your question to Laurel. She's only sporadically online, but I'll let you know if she replies. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: maeve Date: 29 Nov 18 - 09:52 AM Location coal from Laurel/open mike: "we do not plan to rebuild in that same place... planning to look for a home east of there in the high Sierra mountain area." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: open mike Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:29 AM Hello Mudcat friends... World is topsy turvy turbulence... My partner Dennis and I have found a delightful log home in Westwood, CA. To buy and we are staying temporarily in a small house in Quincy CA. About an hour away. Both of these towns are higher up in the Sierra Nevada and Cascades mountains and there is more snow here than where we have been living in the foothills. I played at a rest home with my musical partner who loaned me a guitar for the gig. The staff at the facility gave me a guitar that had belonged to one of their residents who passed away. I have connected with the music community here and joined in with the performers who play each Monday at a cafe here. I also played at an open mic where a string quartet was also on the bill. This music has been therapeutic for me! Life goes on (in endless song...) and we are moving forward turning the page to a new chapter in our lives. Grief lies heavy in our hearts, but we trudge on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:37 AM They gave you a guitar? That's wonderful! People can be so nice sometimes. All the best to you, Laurel. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 16 Dec 18 - 01:50 AM I'm glad to read that you're able to resume the musical activity, but I imagine traveling to the places where people are able to congregate is a daily reminder of how much the landscape has changed for now. Congratulations on finding a new house! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Sandra in Sydney Date: 16 Dec 18 - 07:55 PM good news,music & a new home. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: keberoxu Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:46 PM Good news indeed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Jack Campin Date: 11 Sep 20 - 06:48 AM A lot of Mudcatters must be in the middle of the current western US inferno. Joe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 11 Sep 20 - 08:28 AM Unprecedented santa anna winds are as far north as Oregon. Jack you missed the Fukashima anniversery? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 11 Sep 20 - 11:25 AM Washington State, east and west, is also burning and where there aren't fires there are red flag warnings. NASA has photos of the smoke from space that offer a second good reason for people to wear their face masks. I heard from my sister in Seattle that the wind is shifting and they're due for the dense smoky air for a while. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: keberoxu Date: 11 Sep 20 - 11:51 AM My friends live in southwestern Colorado, and while their specific region has been spared the fire, they could not escape the smoke, which blew their way. They got some relief from the smoke this week when it snowed, which is early in the season for snow, even this close to the Rocky Mountains.v |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: robomatic Date: 11 Sep 20 - 03:39 PM I have friends who wear covid masks when shopping and dust masks when getting into their cars so they can hunker down at home in stifling heat with their windows closed. The only up-side if you can consider it so, is that the sunsets are really interesting, with deep sunset colors fighting the ashen atmosphere. This occurred a couple years ago in our town due to fires among the beetle killed trees to the south of Anchorage, but what is happening in California and Washington is far far worse. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 11 Sep 20 - 05:37 PM https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/11/oregon-wildfires-clackamas-evacuation/ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 11 Sep 20 - 06:10 PM Oregon shut off the electricity to rural areas so without power my inlaws evacuated 3 days ago. The Govenor has been unable to reach Trump for emergency funds or federal fire fighters. There's plenty of federal agents to fight protesters in Portland though. Fires are nearing southern 'Potland' suburbs. Yes the conspiracy QAnon folks are blaming antifa for setting fires and overloading 9 11 calls today on 9-11. Since the huge fires are a new phenomena so it has taken folks by surprise. Its sort of like my dream of impending nuclear war when people went to their front door and started blaming each other. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: mg Date: 12 Sep 20 - 05:57 AM I am collecting gift cards you might have with a balance of any amount to give to the fire fighters and evacuees. They need everything. Mcdonalds, kfc, subway, target, walmart, whatever. Socks, gloves, batteries. But I can not handle goods..just cards. Pm me for address. Look.around. You might have a few cards with a few bucks left..enough for a happy meal for a burned out kid. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: mg Date: 12 Sep 20 - 06:02 AM If you can find out the balance and write on a sticker that would be good. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 12 Sep 20 - 09:36 AM Fire season will end in 2 months. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Stilly River Sage Date: 12 Sep 20 - 12:00 PM I've been reading about the misinformation - QAnon and I suspect Russia is flexing it's misinformation muscles just to add the the fear and anger. Trump needs to be sent to The Hague after he leaves office, for encouraging all of this hate and mayhem just to stay in the office he ONLY RAN FOR to boost his brand. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 12 Sep 20 - 12:24 PM I figure there's a special place in Purgatory, if not Hell, for the Californians who decided that in the midst of the drought and fires, they simply had to go camping. You know, the 200 that had to be helicoptered out at great expense and risk. I wonder if they are related to the people who just had to be near Mt St Helen's in May, 1980. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 12 Sep 20 - 07:04 PM In rereading this thread I was astonished at how bad the previous years have also been. I remembered two years ago- who can forget Paradise, California?- but quite obviously really, really bad fire years are nothing new. That said, this year is different, apocalyptic during and agonizingly so after. I have family and friends all through the affected Oregon areas, where I used to live and work and play and even though my heart is in my mouth with alarm that selfish as I am, I am oh, oh so glad that I am not there. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:50 PM The smoke has reached DC Blood in the moon out west https://earthsky.org/upl/2017/09/sunrise-smokey-9-2-2017-Gary-Peltz-Seattle-e1504716723391.jpg |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:06 PM Leeneia, the area where those people were trapped, is at Shaver Lake and Huntington Lake. It's a very civilized area not far from the city of Fresno. I went there many times when I lived in Fresno, and wouldn't dream that it would be a hazardous area. It's green and beautiful while Fresno is hot and miserable in summer. It's where Fresno people go to cool off in summer. It seems very safe. I'm sure this disaster was totally unexpected. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Donuel Date: 15 Sep 20 - 06:36 AM Et tu Smokey? Smokey the Bear has traded his shovel for a leaf blower? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: leeneia Date: 15 Sep 20 - 02:29 PM I have my doubts, Joe. With drought, fires, global warming and lightning, this is not the time to go camping anywhere in California, Washington or Oregon. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Mrrzy Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:35 AM My afternoon sky had a sun you could look at though we were not cloudy. Yon smoke hath reached the East Coast. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: mg Date: 16 Sep 20 - 04:29 PM gather up your unused gift cards even with a tiny balance and get them to someplace collecting goods. they need just everything..you can send them to me if you want..pm for address..and i will get them to local people delivering to oregon victims and firefighters. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Ebbie Date: 17 Sep 20 - 05:35 PM Mostly what I've been donating to are the places where people have opened shelters for animals from horses and donkeys and sheep and dogs and cats and ferrets. I saw a photo of a deer, mouth wide open trying to find relief from the flames and heat. I hope that many, many people have filled troughs and tubs with water for the wild ones. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west From: Joe Offer Date: 30 Sep 20 - 02:37 PM I think this is the third widespread episode of wildfire in California this year. This time, it's hitting the beautiful Napa Valley Wine Country. The Glass Fire extends all the way to the borders of Santa Rosa, adjacent to the terrible fire that hit Santa Rosa and took our wonderful Camp Harmony site at Camp Newman three years ago. Lots of smoke here during each of these fires, but no fires near me. Breathing can be quite difficult, all over Northern California. -Joe- |
