BS: Mudcatters near fires out west

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 30 Sep 20 - 02:37 PM

I think this is the third widespread episode of wildfire in California this year. This time, it's hitting the beautiful Napa Valley Wine Country. The Glass Fire extends all the way to the borders of Santa Rosa, adjacent to the terrible fire that hit Santa Rosa and took our wonderful Camp Harmony site at Camp Newman three years ago.
Lots of smoke here during each of these fires, but no fires near me. Breathing can be quite difficult, all over Northern California.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Sep 20 - 05:35 PM

Mostly what I've been donating to are the places where people have opened shelters for animals from horses and donkeys and sheep and dogs and cats and ferrets. I saw a photo of a deer, mouth wide open trying to find relief from the flames and heat. I hope that many, many people have filled troughs and tubs with water for the wild ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: mg
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 04:29 PM

gather up your unused gift cards even with a tiny balance and get them to someplace collecting goods. they need just everything..you can send them to me if you want..pm for address..and i will get them to local people delivering to oregon victims and firefighters.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Mrrzy
Date: 16 Sep 20 - 08:35 AM

My afternoon sky had a sun you could look at though we were not cloudy. Yon smoke hath reached the East Coast.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 02:29 PM

I have my doubts, Joe. With drought, fires, global warming and lightning, this is not the time to go camping anywhere in California, Washington or Oregon.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 15 Sep 20 - 06:36 AM

Et tu Smokey? Smokey the Bear has traded his shovel for a leaf blower?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 09:06 PM

Leeneia, the area where those people were trapped, is at Shaver Lake and Huntington Lake. It's a very civilized area not far from the city of Fresno. I went there many times when I lived in Fresno, and wouldn't dream that it would be a hazardous area. It's green and beautiful while Fresno is hot and miserable in summer. It's where Fresno people go to cool off in summer. It seems very safe. I'm sure this disaster was totally unexpected.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Sep 20 - 08:50 PM

The smoke has reached DC
Blood in the moon out west https://earthsky.org/upl/2017/09/sunrise-smokey-9-2-2017-Gary-Peltz-Seattle-e1504716723391.jpg

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 07:04 PM

In rereading this thread I was astonished at how bad the previous years have also been. I remembered two years ago- who can forget Paradise, California?- but quite obviously really, really bad fire years are nothing new.

That said, this year is different, apocalyptic during and agonizingly so after. I have family and friends all through the affected Oregon areas, where I used to live and work and play and even though my heart is in my mouth with alarm that selfish as I am, I am oh, oh so glad that I am not there.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 12:24 PM

I figure there's a special place in Purgatory, if not Hell, for the Californians who decided that in the midst of the drought and fires, they simply had to go camping.   You know, the 200 that had to be helicoptered out at great expense and risk.

I wonder if they are related to the people who just had to be near Mt St Helen's in May, 1980.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 12:00 PM

I've been reading about the misinformation - QAnon and I suspect Russia is flexing it's misinformation muscles just to add the the fear and anger. Trump needs to be sent to The Hague after he leaves office, for encouraging all of this hate and mayhem just to stay in the office he ONLY RAN FOR to boost his brand.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 09:36 AM

Fire season will end in 2 months.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: mg
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 06:02 AM

If you can find out the balance and write on a sticker that would be good.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: mg
Date: 12 Sep 20 - 05:57 AM

I am collecting gift cards you might have with a balance of any amount to give to the fire fighters and evacuees. They need everything. Mcdonalds, kfc, subway, target, walmart, whatever. Socks, gloves, batteries. But I can not handle goods..just cards. Pm me for address. Look.around. You might have a few cards with a few bucks left..enough for a happy meal for a burned out kid.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 06:10 PM

Oregon shut off the electricity to rural areas so without power my inlaws evacuated 3 days ago. The Govenor has been unable to reach Trump for emergency funds or federal fire fighters. There's plenty of federal agents to fight protesters in Portland though. Fires are nearing southern 'Potland' suburbs.

Yes the conspiracy QAnon folks are blaming antifa for setting fires and overloading 9 11 calls today on 9-11. Since the huge fires are a new phenomena so it has taken folks by surprise.

Its sort of like my dream of impending nuclear war when people went to their front door and started blaming each other.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 05:37 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/09/11/oregon-wildfires-clackamas-evacuation/

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: robomatic
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 03:39 PM

I have friends who wear covid masks when shopping and dust masks when getting into their cars so they can hunker down at home in stifling heat with their windows closed. The only up-side if you can consider it so, is that the sunsets are really interesting, with deep sunset colors fighting the ashen atmosphere.

This occurred a couple years ago in our town due to fires among the beetle killed trees to the south of Anchorage, but what is happening in California and Washington is far far worse.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 11:51 AM

My friends live in southwestern Colorado,
and while their specific region has been spared the fire,
they could not escape the smoke, which blew their way.
They got some relief from the smoke this week
when it snowed, which is early in the season for snow,
even this close to the Rocky Mountains.v

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 11:25 AM

Washington State, east and west, is also burning and where there aren't fires there are red flag warnings. NASA has photos of the smoke from space that offer a second good reason for people to wear their face masks. I heard from my sister in Seattle that the wind is shifting and they're due for the dense smoky air for a while.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 08:28 AM

Unprecedented santa anna winds are as far north as Oregon.
Jack you missed the Fukashima anniversery?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Sep 20 - 06:48 AM

A lot of Mudcatters must be in the middle of the current western US inferno. Joe?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:46 PM

Good news indeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 07:55 PM

good news,music & a new home.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 01:50 AM

I'm glad to read that you're able to resume the musical activity, but I imagine traveling to the places where people are able to congregate is a daily reminder of how much the landscape has changed for now.

Congratulations on finding a new house!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:37 AM

They gave you a guitar? That's wonderful! People can be so nice sometimes. All the best to you, Laurel.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: open mike
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:29 AM

Hello Mudcat friends... World is topsy turvy turbulence... My partner Dennis and I have found a delightful log home in Westwood, CA. To buy and we are staying temporarily in a small house in Quincy CA. About an hour away. Both of these towns are higher up in the Sierra Nevada and Cascades mountains and there is more snow here than where we have been living in the foothills.   
I played at a rest home with my musical partner who loaned me a guitar for the gig. The staff at the facility gave me a guitar that had belonged to one of their residents who passed away.   I have connected with the music community here and joined in with the performers who play each Monday at a cafe here. I also played at an open mic where a string quartet was also on the bill. This music has been therapeutic for me! Life goes on (in endless song...) and we are moving forward turning the page to a new chapter in our lives. Grief lies heavy in our hearts, but we trudge on.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 29 Nov 18 - 09:52 AM

Location coal from Laurel/open mike:
"we do not plan to rebuild in that same place... planning to look for a home east of there in the high Sierra mountain area."

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 02:59 PM

SRS: I've relayed your question to Laurel. She's only sporadically online, but I'll let you know if she replies.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 11:17 AM

Is Laurel wanting to stay in that general area in California?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 10:36 AM

Yes, open mike. "Greener pastures" and a town with more than one road out.

I sympathize about your guitar. I know how much I would miss mine if something happened to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 26 Nov 18 - 02:22 PM

refresh

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 07:17 PM

Thinking of 'open mike' and her household.

Here in Massachusetts there are homeless families in the Merrimack River Valley
due to a gas main explosion.
A lot of survivors this holiday season.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM

I've signed in to fulfill Laurel's/open mike's request for me to post this on her behalf. You'll have seen she was able to make a brief post earlier this morning, but of course it's hard for her to get online.

She has been able to load Mudcat long enough to read the PMs 'Catters have left for her, so that's a good way to respond privately if you have thoughts about a replacement guitar so she can continue with music as solace and as a source of income. Alternatively, feel free to send me a PM and I'll send it along to her via email. I've included the link she sent if anyone wishes to and is able to help financially.

You'll see she is not asking for anyone to solve her challenges- just lend a helping hand as possible. She's a survivor... her second loss of everything to fire.

From open mike/ Laurel today, November 23, 2018:
"I do so miss my guitar... It will be difficult to replace her... She had been with me for nearly a half a century. "Martina" was a 60's era Martin D-35-S and there may not be others like her available. If anything similar can be located I would be very grateful for any leads... I do have a gig coming up, and it would be therapeutic to play again! I do have a go fund me account which might be a help if any funds are needed for instruments. Link to help open mike / Laurel after Calif. fires

Thank you!

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: open mike
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 04:17 AM

It is overwhelming how much damage destruction and death ?? this fire ?? has caused. We are getting rain now and the fire is nearly 90% contained. I do not plan to return to rebuild at my old homesite. Looking for greener pastures. Hope to be able to play and sing music again... For my sake and for others.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:57 PM

Well, finally, we have rain. The fire in Paradise started 8 November, about 6:50 AM. By dawn the next morning, it had destroyed Paradise and part of Magalia. Critical fire weather conditions spread the fire to over 100,000 acres in the first two days.
Here are this morning's statistics:

Size (acres): 153,336 [239.6 square miles]
Percent Contained: 80%
Estimate of Containment: Nov. 30, 2018
Personnel: 3,745
Structures Destroyed: 17,157
Civilian Fatalities: 81
Single Residences Destroyed: 12,637
Single Residences Damaged: 421
Multiple Residences Destroyed: 310
Commercial Destroyed: 483
Commercial Damaged: 100
Other Minor Structures Destroyed: 3,718
Civilian Fatalities: 79

Paradise and neighboring Chico have had almost an inch of rain. We're at Applegate, almost a hundred miles south, and we've had half an inch and more coming. I suppose there will be mudslides in the fire area, but this rain is a great relief.

I wish the best for Laurel and all others who have been affected.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 10:03 AM

In that photo with a few houses still standing it reminds me of a story I read over the weekend where I woman got a call from a stranger. They fled their home, but an ambulance broke down and burned near the house so someone crawled in through a dog door to open the garage door and several sheriff's deputies kept the roof wet and cut brush around the house and nine people sheltered in the garage as the fire passed over. They and the house survived.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:01 AM

2 stories from Australia

Paradise goes up in flames Satellite images show what little is left of Paradise in California, where hundreds of people are still missing after devastating fires.

Paradise burning In the ashes of the small town of Paradise, James Bennett finds carnage and destruction reminiscent of Victoria's Black Saturday fires — and a community with the same grit to start over.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Nov 18 - 09:01 PM

I think he's a ratfink, but he was still an old man in a stressful situation. So he had a brain fart. Live with it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 06:19 PM

how is it I know the town's name is 'Paradise' yet the president of the united states, surrounded by advisors and aides, standing in the actual burned out town -- thinks it is called 'Pleasure'?

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 05:04 PM

I don't know what Trump is tweeting, but my newspaper says that California has been declared eligible for federal disaster funds for the fires.

That's a relief.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:57 AM

Aid will flow to CA but I suspect as efficiently as PR


With Malibu on fire I expect money will talk and BS will walk.

Donuel Obvioso

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:47 AM

I don't think he has a clue as to who owns what out there, he's just pissed that California voted against him.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 01:25 AM

So Trump is Tweeting threats to withhold disaster funds to California because of poor forest management.
I wonder if he has any idea how much of the lands destroyed by wildfire belong to the U.S. government.
-Joe-


https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-state-fires-but-many-worst-federal-land/1971196002/

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 11:44 AM

New York Times updates.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 07:28 PM

sending best wishes to Laurel & her afmily & friends & others in the fire zones

sandra

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:12 PM

My friend from Heritage of Scotland summer schools at Stirling back in the 1970s/80s (with Jean Redpath) lives in 1000 Oaks so I was worried about her - didn't think she would have been in the bar - she wasn't - (why oh why do so many Americans respond to a mass shooting - by going out and buying guns? No-one outside of USA can understand that!! Ban the damn things!!)
Anyway her house is close to a forested area and doesn't seem (google maps) all that far from the Paradise fires but she is fine and not worries at the moment - fingers crossed.
However my heart aches for all the poor animals both wild and domestic that are running around in panic - people can choose where they live / when to leave, animals have no option.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 10:50 AM

I spoke with a friend from Ventura, CA, last night: she's a professional in the county park system and spent many years, as I did, working for the Forest Service and the Park Service as a ranger and a fire fighter. In December 2017 there were horrific fires in the same general area, and one of them burned to within a couple of blocks of her house. The chaparral area has been colonized by all of the neighborhoods but the tinder dry landscape does what it's going to do - it burns, houses and all. And basically the fuel that was left after last year's fires is what is burning this year. The county is going to be bare of living trees when all of this is over.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:23 AM

Trump has threatened to withhold all Federal disaster aid relief from the California fire victims. He says he is blaming/punishing the Firefighters and Forestry Dept. for their incompetence. After all upstate NY and 5th Ave. never have such problems. Trump naturally wants people to know that Californians have betrayed him by being a Democratic stronghold.

This disaster is a reality and not a partisan political football Mr. Trump. Climate has changed to the point that all four seasons are now considered to be the fire season.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 10:53 AM

California has simply never seen fires like this before, according to the reporting in New York Times. And you can ignore Trumps rants and threats about withholding money for fire fighting and forestry due to "bad management" - he doesn't know what he's talking about. This isn't a case of forest management. This is the "urban interface," this is other stuff than managed forests or wilderness.

I'm so sorry, Laurel, but I'm so glad you're all safe.

Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 09:37 AM

Thanks, Maeve. I just saw on Dennis's FB that she had posted.

I'm not on Mudcat much any more, but will check in here for information or links when and if it is known how we might be helpful to them.