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Subject: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 08:51 PM

As the fires rage in several states in the western part of the USA, (and maybe Canada) can't help but stay concerned about Mudcatters who may end up in harm's way as the fire season rages in that terribly drought-stricken part of the continent.

Check in now and then, folks. Let us know that you are OK, if you are at any given point in time, and also let us know if not.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 11:11 PM

The big fires around here (NorCal) - Rocky and Jerusalem - are in the next county, about 30 - 40 miles northeast, and burning away from my location, luckily in the direction of sparsely populated forest lands. Let's hope the wind doesn't turn.

A big shout-out to the firefighters. Those people are heroes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 12 Aug 15 - 11:28 PM

It could be that one of those wildfires is closer to Joe Offer.

Joe! Speak up!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 06:56 AM

Joe has posted as recently as this morning, Ebbie:
"Subject: RE: Rise Up Singing Book II: 'Rise Again'
From: Joe Offer - PM
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 04:56 AM "


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST,#
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 10:22 AM

There are at present over 6,000 forest/wildland fires burning in Canada. That's up about 2,000 from 2014. FYI.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Megan L
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 11:24 AM

Keep safe folks


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 01:32 PM

There's a wonderful Website, http://yubanet.com/, that give up-to-date information about fires all over California. We're northeast of Sacramento, and the Lowell Fire was about 15 miles from us and across the Bear River, and it's now 100% contained - still smoldering in spots, but not a danger. It burned 2,304 acres. We have friends in the evacuation area, and they're OK.

The biggest fire, the Rocky Fire, is in Lake County, maybe forty miles west of Sacramento. It burned 69,636 acres, over ten square miles. It's now 95% contained. The Jerusalem Fire, also in Lake County, has burned 23,500 acres and is 33% contained.

There are lots of fires in the northernmost part of California, but they're one or two hundred miles away from the Mudcatters I know in Northern California.

Over the years, a number of Mudcatters have lost their homes to fire. It's a scary thing - but for now, all California Mudcatters seem safe.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 06:41 PM

Thanks Joe and michaelr. Hope all stay safe as the fire season wears on. And what you said about the fire fighters, mirchaelr.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:18 PM

I have never been impacted by wildfire but I was visiting my daughter and her family in Escondido when a bad fire was being fought down there. This was the one that did a lot of damage in Laguna Hills then jumped a highway and continued on. It burnt a lot of the vegetation in the San Diego Wild Animal Park.

We stood in my daughter's backyard and watched the smoke and flames over the ridge. I mean it literally- we could actually see leaping flames.

I said that I have never been impacted by wildfire- but I just recalled a scary afternoon at my dad's place some years ago. I happened to be visiting when my brother came in and informed us that a fire was burning up the slope of a hayfield behind the barn.

I spent the next couple of hours with a shovel and a gunny sack beating back flames. Because the field was stubble, the flames weren't high but there was a good breeze blowing and the affected area was wide. My brother had asthma and wasn't able to help directly but he kept dunking the gunny sacks in water and returning them to me.

We got the fire out before it reached the woods but it was touch and go for awhile.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 13 Aug 15 - 09:54 PM

I hear you, Ebbie. Nothing compared to raging forest fires, but my one experience with putting out a fire made me aware of how a little ignorance has the potential for a huge impact.

Ex-Hubby and I were living in a travel trailer in a little clearing in the woods. Was a drought year in NC, which doesn't compare at all to even typical dry season weather on the west coast. Don't remember what started the fire - probably a spark from a smudge stick or something like that. Dry grass and leaves flamed up. No big deal though we were startled by how quickly it flared and spread. We thought we could beat it out quickly. Except that 1. we were standing downwind from the flames and 2. the bulk of leaf litter and dry woods were upwind. Our efforts to beat out and smother the flames added to the effects of wind in driving the flames forward toward more combustible material. We fortunately realized that in time for one of us to move in front of the fire while the other ran to hook up a hose. Was pretty scary and a close call. I expect/hope that most people who live in drier and chronically fire-prone regions are a bit better informed than were we.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Bev and Jerry
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 12:01 AM

We live in California but there have been no large fires anywhere near us.

However, we live in a pine and oak forest and the pines are dropping like flies - on average about 40% are dead. In some places it's as high as 90%. We have a very small lot and, so far, only one tree has died and it was rather puny. We had it removed to protect a nearby house.

No one around here can remember a time when the forest was so dry. If a fire starts, it will be explosive.

A few weeks ago we had the worst lighting storm we have seen in 55 years in California. It started two trees smoldering. One burst into flames 5 days later and the other nearly two weeks after the storm. Fortunately, firefighters got on both of them (and a third one) really fast and held them to about one acre each.

So far, so good but it can happen at any moment.

Bev and Jerry


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Aug 15 - 01:53 AM

Two words: Defensible space. It means remove all vegetation around your house and outbuildings for as far as your property allows.


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Subject: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:22 PM

We've been under air quality alerts for a week now, meaning that I can't really get much done outside. No active fires nearby, but lots of smoky air.

How are the rest of you faring?


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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada
From: maeve
Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:29 PM

I believe we've only heard from a couple of folks out there in regard to the fires and smoke: http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=157903&messages=12#3730192


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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada
From: Rapparee
Date: 23 Aug 15 - 10:47 PM

I searched but didn't find anything; if I had I'd have resurrected it. Oh well.

We currently have 771,271 acres actively burning here in Idaho, or about 1,200 square miles (or for you Others, like Canadians, 312,122 hectares -- but Canada has its own fires). That's a lot of smoke, not including the fires in Oregon, Washington, Northern California, and Montana.
    Counterintuitively, our main search engine does not work on recent threads. It has to be indexed occasionally to include recent threads. To find threads, the best tool is the Filter. Threads combined.
    -Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada
From: Janie
Date: 23 Aug 15 - 11:31 PM

Might a mod combine the two threads under this title? Gonna continue to be a long, hard fire season for many Mudcatters in the west, and many of us not living in the western USA and Canada will continue to be concerned for the land and the people in harm's way, and especially for fellow mudcatters. Would be good to have one thread where folks can either check in or inquire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Fires in the Western US and Canada
From: GUEST,DrWord
Date: 23 Aug 15 - 11:32 PM

~295,000 hectares burned in British Columbia since April~ Significant fires in Alberta and Saskatchewan as well
dennis


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 09:57 AM

As near as I can tell, two threads were combined last night, then both were deleted. I don't think that was supposed to happen. This one's back.

Seems like those in the west not getting the fires are getting the smoke. Hope you get rained upon soon. Stay safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:40 AM

70 Australian firefighters left here a couple of days ago to help fight these fires.

Some of your firefighters might be here later this year as we are expecting a very bad 15/16 fire season. Fire authorities have been burning off this week in various locations to cut the risk.

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 12:10 PM

Here in Penticton B.C. we're very much affected by four different fires.....two in Oliver, one in Rock Creek, and one in NOrthern Washington (The Stickpin fire). Even though right now we're not in any specific danger.

We have incredible smoke in the air in Penticton........making it hard for people to go outside (affecting my wife who has suffered from asthma).   A number of homes in the ROck Creek area burned, and Christina Lake is threatened by the Stickpin fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Megan L
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 01:15 PM

Larry do what you have to to stay safe


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 01:43 PM

Smokey haze in the air yesterday in Seattle and the air smelled pretty bad. I haven't been outside yet today, so I don't know how it is.

I have a friend who has a nice big cabin out in the woods in Okenagen County. Some years ago I went up there with him several times. But I'm afraid it's right in the middle of one of the major fire areas.

I haven't seen Mike in several years, so I don't have any way of finding out.

This whole thing is pretty disastrous.

Don Firth


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 03:39 PM

As of right now, Alaska has four fires going, one of which is over 330,00 acres (133,500+ hectares), 15 in Arizona, 37 in California, 3 in Florida (one over 35,000 acres), 27 in Idaho, 1 in Louisiana, 2 in Minnesota, 23 in Montana, 3 in Nevada, 5 in New Mexico, 2 in North Carolina, 19 in Oregon, 1 in Utah, 26 in Washington, and 2 in Wyoming.

The smoke isn't so back at the moment, about 60 on the scale used, with 50 being the upper limit of "OK".


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 06:36 PM

Most of the fires in Alaska currently are being only monitored rather than fought, since no there are no homes or humans in the vicinity. There are several, though, that have the potential of doing harm.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:29 PM

It's horrifying to watch some of the videos. There is one on YT that shows the speed of one in the Okanogan. Truly terrifying.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: gnu
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 08:33 PM

Odd that I should see this thread after just posting a song on another thread about sommat similar from a comedy music perspective. Maybe it might provide a laugh in such a tragic time? I hesitated to post it herein but that never stopped me before so...

Buddy.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Aug 15 - 10:53 PM

When you're on the lines you need humor, Noir or otherwise.

The air was much clearer this afternoon, but it's forecast to go bad again tomorrow.

Somehow the song "Keep the Home Fires Burning" seems inappropriate.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 06:17 PM

Thinking of y'all in fire and smoke zones...we know something of it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/08/27/us-usa-wildfires-idUSKCN0QV29Y20150827


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 11:14 PM

I am usually the first one to speak out about our current trend to "Blame the Victim" But it beats me why the hell do people build wooden houses in the middle of the forest.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 27 Aug 15 - 11:29 PM

Bert- One does not always have a choice.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST,Bert
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 02:09 AM

I dunno, Someone CHOSE to build wooden houses there. There is a hell of a lot of other places to build. Forest land is usually quite expensive.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Larry The Radio Guy
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:34 AM

Bert----If you build near water, you risk floods. If you build in prairie, you risk tornadoes. Near cliffs (above or below)---avalanches or mud slides. Other places....earthquakes.   Pollution (leading to asthma or bronchial infections).

I think it's easy to step outside the forest and see only the trees.   Everything in life is a cost/benefit and we can never predict any of them with any certainty.

So I choose not to judge in most instances.

That being said, Grand Forks, Oliver, and even Kelowna are being threatened with fire behaviour (the latter more related to ashes). And all of us are very affected by the bad air from the fires.   And areas near Oliver and Grand Forks have evacuation alerts.

So it is a scary situation.

Fortunately, they are forecasted rain and cooler weather for the weekend.   We hope that this will change the situation significantly for the better.

We live in a little rented four plex in the middle of Penticton right below an embankment that has lots of trees.   The back is beautiful trees and forest. The front is downtown Penticton.   We always had more cause to fer the latter than the former.   BUt if somebody above us happens to throw out a lighted cigarette---we could be in big trouble.

Fortunatey right now we're confident we'll survive the next couple days, then maybe the rain and cooler weather will lower the risk.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:23 AM

Well, Bert, there are a lot of trees in the forest to build houses out of, ya know...

The term "wildfire" has become more popular in recent years, rather than "forest fire." It's undergrowth and chaparral that cause the real danger, not the trees. But if there's lots of undergrowth, the trees will burn, too. We had lots of Ponderosa pines burn in the fire across the freeway from us last October - very few homes burned, though. I think there were 6 homes lost. There were 50 homes lost in town about five years ago, in an area where nobody thought there could be a fire. But there was grass and brush surrounding the neighborhood. That caught fire, and the whole neighborhood went up in smoke. Two friends of mine lost their homes.

That being said, I think we'd have lost our home if that fire had been on this side of the freeway last year. We do our best to keep a "defensible space" without having it barren around the house, but I don't think anything would save us if a fire got started here. We live in a farm house built in the 1940s. We have a composition roof, not wood shingles. But it's a wooden house.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 05:49 AM

"But it beats me why the hell do people build wooden houses in the middle of the forest."

Wouldn't matter what people built the houses out of. The heat generated by forest/wildfires will destroy anything inside whatever one builds the structure from.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST, ^*^
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 08:41 AM

Wildland managers have, over the last 100+ years, made a huge mistake in the management of their forest acreage. They put out all of the fires. Most fires pre government management (see Joe's remark above) would burn the undergrowth and small timber ("dog hair") but the mature trees are left standing in most fire situations when fire regularly passes through removing the understory fuel. Local tribes in western states are often attributed with traditions of burning out the chaparral every few seasons. When you let that fuel build up by continually putting it out after lightning strikes, it's like building a bonfire under the standing timber, and then you see the mature growth crown out when the ground fire is so hot convection ignites the tops of the trees.

The discussion over the last 20 years has been how to clear out that undergrowth without setting off huge fires that destroy the standing timber. Mechanically crawling over all of that acreage is physically impossible if even if it were, would be beyond any budget to practically manage.

There are fire retardant foams that can be sprayed on structures to help prevent total destruction. http://www.latimes.com/business/realestate/la-re-fire25nov25-story.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 08:53 AM

I mentioned that foam a number of years back on this site. Problem in part is that insurance companies weren't able to offer lower premiums to offset the cost. Perhaps that's changed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 28 Aug 15 - 03:13 PM

A friend who lives in central Washington is posting beautiful and terrifying photos on Facebook. Georgeous pictures of hills several miles away, backlit at night by fires raging just below the ridgetops, and a night sky full of dangerous sparks that look like shooting stars.

Continuing to hold all in my thoughts and meditations.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 03:52 PM

OK, it's getting really bad now. The Valley Fire in Lake County exploded from 400 to 40,000 acres in five hours yesterday, whipped by gusty 20-30mph winds, and forced the evacuation of thousands of residents. Overnight, it burned dozens of homes in Cobb, Middletown and Hidden Lake, as well as the well-known Harbin Hot Springs resort. At this time, we don't know whether the 100+ year old home that was converted into a salon where my wife works part-time is still there. A number of her friends and co-workers have been evacuated, and we know that at least two of them lost their homes.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Acme
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 04:18 PM

Stay safe out there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 04:48 PM

CalFire now estimates 1,000 homes lost in the Valley fire.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 05:23 PM

50,000 acres burned in 24 hours. No containment, and it's still spreading.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 08:43 PM

I am so sorry. And they mentioned last night that the Santa Ana winds will soon begin. September is a cruel month in dry weather.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 10:07 PM

Thinking of michaelr and all in the recent and future path of fire. I remember.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Sep 15 - 10:41 PM

According to the news there are two small fires in Yellowstone NP, which they are watching -- one has been burning since August. There is another small fire in Fremont County, north of here. We've been lucky as there are no large fires nearby. However, the air quality has been pretty bad.

I have relatives-by-marriage in the Shasta-Trinity fires area, and I know what those in California, Washington, and elsewhere are going through.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 12:22 AM

Here's a link to the most up-to-date fire reports in Northern California:
It's distressing to see that the Valley Fire in Lake County (not far from Nape) has taken hundreds of structures and has burned 50,000 acres.

The fire that affects us here in Applegate is the Butte Fire in Amador County. It has burned 65,000 acres and taken 214 structures. We're 65 miles away, but we haven't seen the sun for two days because of the smoke. We may not be in danger, but it's spooky outside and very uncomfortable.

I think this is the worst fire season I can remember since I arrived in California in 1970. Last year wasn't a bad season by comparison, but there was a major fire that started a few hundred yards from my home. That's the most directly I've been affected by fire. I hope it never comes that close again.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Vashta Nerada
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 01:09 AM

A fire near your home last year means a lot of built-up fuel was removed. That's an excellent thing for this year and the next several to come.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 02:26 AM

Oh, don't worry, Vashta - we have plenty more to burn. We do have some pretty good firebreaks around the house, but I think a big fire would take us anyhow. There's lots of vegetation my wife the gardener won't part with.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:39 AM

Appreciate y'all taking the time to check in. Can't imagine what it must be like.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 10:15 AM

A couple of years ago 64 houses, along with their outbuildings, burned south of town, about seven miles from here. The usual story of dry fuel, high temperatures, and high winds. Many places had "defensible space" and followed all of the recommended anti-wildfire steps, but such a fire can spread faster and hotter than what man proposes. And, of course, you have the usual fools who for whatever reason plant cedars as foliage to cover the basement line, think tumbleweeds are "cute" and leave them stack up, don't believe it can happen to them, etc. etc.

If you'd like to follow the fires, try here. Think of the damage to animals, including cattle and pets, as well as the damage to humans.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:44 PM

This is our local paper's twitter feed. Lots of mind-blowing photos and video. I've never seen anything like it. Thankfully we're getting a bit of rain today.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: michaelr
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 05:49 PM

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-harrowing-videos-show-man-escaping-flames-of-valley-fire-20150914-htmlstory.html


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Sep 15 - 09:43 PM

One of the Yellowstone NP fires is now more than two square miles. Small by comparison, but like all of the fires it could easily become much, much larger.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 02:22 AM

Those videos are absolutely terrifying. Because we are viewing the video I know they survived but I held my breath practically the entire time. I've never seen anything so bad.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 03:44 AM

We had just a bit of rain today, and that helped clear the smoke quite a bit. I went outside just after the rain, and I could hardly breathe - I wonder if the water-smoke mix is what caused that. Soon after, I could breathe almost normally - and I can see stars in the sky tonight!

A wind kicked up with the rain, which may make things worse in the fire area - but it sure makes things better here. The smoke was really hard on us.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 07:28 AM

any more rain forecast, Joe?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 10:27 AM

It's bad in Alaska, Alberta...all the way down into Wyoming. The West is burning and national or provincial or state boundaries are being ignored.

To date, 15 August 2015: 3,953,043 hectares, or 9,768,182 acres, are burning in Canada. 3,398,504 hectares, or 8,397,886 acres, are burning the US. That's 18,165,068 acres burning (if I added correctly). England has a total area of 32,192,642 acres. You can figure it from there.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Bill D
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 12:15 PM

They said El Nino would bring some rain...probably too much.. to California. I think people would take it over this....


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 15 Sep 15 - 12:31 PM

I dunno. It's raining here and I hope everywhere else in the West. But without something to retard the flow of water it could all come down in a rush, especially since the ground is baked hard.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Sep 15 - 03:38 AM

Right. The deluge they underwent today has led to bad flooding. A number of people have died. And as they said on the news tonight, since central and southern California get the bulk of their water from the mountains up north, the deluge has not abated their drought.

As of today, Alaska has 93 - ninety-three! - wildfires burning. Most of them, however, are not in populated areas. And as has been noted above, those fires should be cleaning out the underbrush.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 16 Sep 15 - 11:07 PM

Rained again today!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 17 Sep 15 - 12:58 AM

No significant spread of the California fires in the last 24 hours. There was precipitation over the two biggest fires on Tuesday, and the weather has been almost cold. This is the first day in almost a week that we've had clear skies, with no sign of smoke.
So far, so good.

The pictures in the newspapers show lots of devastation in places I thought would never burn.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 04:14 AM

Gee, there's a new fire 2 freeway exits from me, and I didn't even know about it. Looks like they got it under control, and it burned only 6 acres. Whew!
This page shows a video of what we go through every summer. For the most part, it's kinda interesting. But when it gets too close to home, it's worrisome. I imagine our fire season won't be over for at least another month this year, maybe even into November. I sure hope we get rain this winter.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 27 Sep 15 - 08:31 PM

you certainly are living in interesting times, Joe

Is useful rain included in the local long range forecasts?

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Ebbie
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 02:57 AM

Joe's remark about hoping for rain reminded me of an exchange I overheard on the bus one day some years ago.

There was a 30ish woman complaining to a young tourist couple about the weather in Juneau, Alaska. As soon as her husband's Coast Guard deployment is up, they're out of here, she said. There are no decent shops and it's expensive and it never is warm and it rains all the time, she said.

She paused. Where are you from, she asked.

San Diego.

Ah, you have sun!

Very quietly, the young man responded, But we have no water.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 28 Sep 15 - 03:38 AM

Peter Rowan has a great "Rainmaker" song: The clouds today made me think rain was coming, but they cleared in time for us to see the eclipse. Mixed blessing.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Acme
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 12:23 AM

It is that time of year again, with a vengeance. Joe, are you near any of this? Laurel? Jeni? Others?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 02:06 AM

I haven't been following this but I wonder has anybody around to wondering what is happening to our planet
In our part of the world on the West coast of Ireland our weather has changed radically over the last five or six years
Storms high wings and hurricanes have become so regular they have been given names
Last winter we saw snow that immobilised the area for several days - unheard of in my experience
Farmers here are now using winter feed to keep their stock alive and wondering what they are going to feed them on next winter

Not all bad news - in places the weather changes have exposed a number of Bronze-Age archeological sites !!

I hate bringing politics into this but it's about time somebody had a word in the nice Mr Trump's ear and get his boys back around the Climate Change table !!
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 10:22 PM

I'm with you, Jim!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Acme
Date: 28 Jul 18 - 10:24 PM

Me, too!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 02:21 AM

I don't know of any California Mudcatters near the fires. We've had a lot of smoke and a few little fires, but nothing to cause any worry. The big fires are 150-200 miles from me, 100 miles from Laurel.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 03:06 AM

I read yesterday that the present weather changes that are causing these fires are due to a weakening ot tide movements, the gulf stream being the one that is affecting us in Ireland
These changes have been brought about by the overhead temperature changes caused by Global warming and are set to continue for another couple of years.
HERE
It hasn't helped that we've used up all the plastic that could have been made into containers to put the fires out to kill off our OCEAN WILDLIFE
Nice to know we've left our kids something worthwhile to keep them from getting bored
Jim Carroll


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jack Campin
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:12 AM

Sofia Labropoulou on FB has been posting some horrifying stuff about the fires in Greece. Looks like the property developers see this kind of catastrophe as a golden opportunity, and bugger all the people killed, bereaved, crippled or dispossessed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jeri
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:26 AM

The west appears to be burning. Map of fires (Warning: they want you to buy them a coffee.)

We're in this cycle in the eastern US of hot/humid, torrential thunderstorms, a nice day, repeat. The torrents are rather new, but I'll take them over the world burning down any day.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: wysiwyg
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 09:32 AM

Our son, DIL, and their baby are in a shelter near the Redding fire, which has probably destroyed the house and farmette they rent, and their animals.

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Acme
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 10:28 AM

Last night I listened to a horrifying story on NPR of a man who survived one of the fires that hit his coastal fishing village in Greece. It could just as easily happen here.

If you've ever read Young Men and Fire you may remember the daring escape a group of fire fighters enacted in the mountains of Montana (or thereabouts). They were racing uphill ahead of a fire and the leader stopped, lit a fire ahead of them, and as it burned up the mountain the men stepped into the burned path and walked behind their fire. When the wild fire reached that point, the fuel was already gone and they survived.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 29 Jul 18 - 08:51 PM

The Grassy Ridge Fire has burned over 115,000 acres (46,538.85 hectares). Fortunately for me it's 80+ miles northwest, unfortunately last night the town of Dubois was ordered evacuated (now that order has been lifted).

We have relatives in Redding and Shasta area. One town, French Gulch, was where my wife's uncle met his wife and where they lived in a wall tent for the first two years of their marriage. Other relatives live in Hayfork.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Senoufou
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 02:31 AM

My heart goes out to those caught up in these terrifying events. The devastation of enormous tracts of land looked appalling on the TV News.
I'm so sorry for anyone on Mudcat who has family or friends in the thick of it.

Even after the fires are extinguished (which may take weeks or even months) the aftermath, loss of life, home, farm stock, livelihood etc will reverberate down the years.

Jim is quite right - global warming MUST be addressed by all nations, or we'll all have to suffer the consequences of irresponsibility, greed and ignorance. If no steps are taken, one could say our little blue planet is terminally ill.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: wysiwyg
Date: 30 Jul 18 - 11:18 AM

Son and family report that their home was spared but badly vandalized, and local police even watered their critters!

~S~


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 05:02 AM

There was no sun at all here on Sunday - the smoke was just too thick, even though the fires are 150 miles away. A bit of sun on Monday, but still very smoky.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Senoufou
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 06:03 AM

The air pollution must be terrible Joe. We had something similar (on a much smaller scale) in UK on the Yorkshire Moors. The peat burned for ages, and the smoke plume stretched right across to Manchester.

How appalling to have to contend with looting as well as the aftermath of the fires wysiwyg. How could people be so wicked?!!

This has been a very strange summer.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: open mike
Date: 31 Jul 18 - 12:08 PM

There are 17 fires burning in CA, the largest one, the Carr fire is over 100,000 acres. It has destroyed over eight hundred homes, and caused 6 fatalities. Two fires to the west of here are burning together and so the "River" fire and the "Ranch" fire are covering several counties. Firefighters from Australia an dNew Zealand are coming to help...it is their "off" season and we appreciate their assistance~!

Oh, yes, are we to believe there is no such thing as global warming/?! There are fires in Greece, Sweden, and near the Arctic Circle.....this is unheard of! We have had tripel digit temperatures for weeks....

10 years ago a 60,000 acre fire destroyed my home and over 200 others in the area. I have re-built, but many are still struggling to regain their footing. The current situations bring back memories and trigger PTSD in many fire survivors.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 03:05 AM

Gee, a fire burned 2-3 acres at the end of my road today, and I didn't know about it. If the sky had been clear, it would have been easy to see. I'm glad the firefighters put it out.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 11:38 AM

I had a dear friend whose Durango home was in trouble six weeks ago.
Guess the Colorado folks are mostly out of danger now.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Jack Campin
Date: 01 Aug 18 - 01:24 PM

Portugal next?

http://www.severe-weather.eu/mcd/extreme-fire-danger-during-the-intense-heat-wave-across-spain-and-portugal-this-week/

http://wildfiretoday.com/tag/portugal/


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 05 Aug 18 - 09:56 PM

This Sacramento Bee video will give you an idea of the impact of the fire. It wiped out the little town of Keswick, upriver from the City of Redding.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:12 PM

So far around here it's only been land that's burned, a couple hundred thousand acres. One just south of town was threatening the veterans' home but the firefighters got it in time.

Stay tuned -- this week is supposed to reach 100+F and like the last month or more, no rain forecast. There has been "dry thunderstorms" and some of the fires were caused by lightning. A few have, unfortunately, been caused by humans. The most recent, 2,000 acres or so, was caused when a combine caught fire in a field; it was the third fire caused by a combine catching fire (if you don't know, a combine. is a harvesting machine). Considering how much they cost the farmers/ranchers are out a LOT of money.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Acme
Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:24 PM

Do they have a heat threshold as such that working in the higher temperatures makes them burn? Or just a string of bad luck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 02:59 AM

I don't know why, but they say higher temp weather does have an effect and makes fires worse.
Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Aug 18 - 08:02 AM

I heard a report that all the combined California fires now ranks as the largest recorded California fire of all time.

JUNE 2018 WAS THE ALL TIME HIGHEST GLOBAL TEMPERATURE


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 11:53 PM

Gee, I got a call from a friend just now who said there's a fire burning half a mile from me. I'm surprised that I haven't heard a thing. It covers only 1.5 acres, but there were 60 personnel working the fire. It's 80% contained, so we're pretty safe.
There were planes dumping water and retardant, but I didn't hear planes or sirens at all.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 09:04 PM

You have my sympathy, Joe. I hope your neighborhood escapes any fires.

Are you prepared to make a dash for it? Important papers by the door, cars gassed up? Water in the trunk? (The water is the DH's suggestion.)


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