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keberoxu 17 Dec 18 - 02:46 PM
Sandra in Sydney 16 Dec 18 - 07:55 PM
Stilly River Sage 16 Dec 18 - 01:50 AM
Joe Offer 16 Dec 18 - 12:37 AM
open mike 16 Dec 18 - 12:29 AM
maeve 29 Nov 18 - 09:52 AM
maeve 28 Nov 18 - 02:59 PM
Stilly River Sage 28 Nov 18 - 11:17 AM
leeneia 28 Nov 18 - 10:36 AM
maeve 26 Nov 18 - 02:22 PM
keberoxu 23 Nov 18 - 07:17 PM
maeve 23 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM
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Joe Offer 21 Nov 18 - 07:57 PM
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Sandra in Sydney 21 Nov 18 - 07:01 AM
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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 17 Dec 18 - 02:46 PM

Good news indeed.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 07:55 PM

good news,music & a new home.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 01:50 AM

I'm glad to read that you're able to resume the musical activity, but I imagine traveling to the places where people are able to congregate is a daily reminder of how much the landscape has changed for now.

Congratulations on finding a new house!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:37 AM

They gave you a guitar? That's wonderful! People can be so nice sometimes. All the best to you, Laurel.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: open mike
Date: 16 Dec 18 - 12:29 AM

Hello Mudcat friends... World is topsy turvy turbulence... My partner Dennis and I have found a delightful log home in Westwood, CA. To buy and we are staying temporarily in a small house in Quincy CA. About an hour away. Both of these towns are higher up in the Sierra Nevada and Cascades mountains and there is more snow here than where we have been living in the foothills.   
I played at a rest home with my musical partner who loaned me a guitar for the gig. The staff at the facility gave me a guitar that had belonged to one of their residents who passed away.   I have connected with the music community here and joined in with the performers who play each Monday at a cafe here. I also played at an open mic where a string quartet was also on the bill. This music has been therapeutic for me! Life goes on (in endless song...) and we are moving forward turning the page to a new chapter in our lives. Grief lies heavy in our hearts, but we trudge on.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 29 Nov 18 - 09:52 AM

Location coal from Laurel/open mike:
"we do not plan to rebuild in that same place... planning to look for a home east of there in the high Sierra mountain area."


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 02:59 PM

SRS: I've relayed your question to Laurel. She's only sporadically online, but I'll let you know if she replies.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 11:17 AM

Is Laurel wanting to stay in that general area in California?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 28 Nov 18 - 10:36 AM

Yes, open mike. "Greener pastures" and a town with more than one road out.

I sympathize about your guitar. I know how much I would miss mine if something happened to it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 26 Nov 18 - 02:22 PM

refresh


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: keberoxu
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 07:17 PM

Thinking of 'open mike' and her household.

Here in Massachusetts there are homeless families in the Merrimack River Valley
due to a gas main explosion.
A lot of survivors this holiday season.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 10:44 AM

I've signed in to fulfill Laurel's/open mike's request for me to post this on her behalf. You'll have seen she was able to make a brief post earlier this morning, but of course it's hard for her to get online.

She has been able to load Mudcat long enough to read the PMs 'Catters have left for her, so that's a good way to respond privately if you have thoughts about a replacement guitar so she can continue with music as solace and as a source of income. Alternatively, feel free to send me a PM and I'll send it along to her via email. I've included the link she sent if anyone wishes to and is able to help financially.

You'll see she is not asking for anyone to solve her challenges- just lend a helping hand as possible. She's a survivor... her second loss of everything to fire.

From open mike/ Laurel today, November 23, 2018:
"I do so miss my guitar... It will be difficult to replace her... She had been with me for nearly a half a century. "Martina" was a 60's era Martin D-35-S and there may not be others like her available. If anything similar can be located I would be very grateful for any leads... I do have a gig coming up, and it would be therapeutic to play again! I do have a go fund me account which might be a help if any funds are needed for instruments. Link to help open mike / Laurel after Calif. fires

Thank you!


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: open mike
Date: 23 Nov 18 - 04:17 AM

It is overwhelming how much damage destruction and death ?? this fire ?? has caused. We are getting rain now and the fire is nearly 90% contained. I do not plan to return to rebuild at my old homesite. Looking for greener pastures. Hope to be able to play and sing music again... For my sake and for others.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:57 PM

Well, finally, we have rain. The fire in Paradise started 8 November, about 6:50 AM. By dawn the next morning, it had destroyed Paradise and part of Magalia. Critical fire weather conditions spread the fire to over 100,000 acres in the first two days.
Here are this morning's statistics:

Size (acres): 153,336 [239.6 square miles]
Percent Contained: 80%
Estimate of Containment: Nov. 30, 2018
Personnel: 3,745
Structures Destroyed: 17,157
Civilian Fatalities: 81
Single Residences Destroyed: 12,637
Single Residences Damaged: 421
Multiple Residences Destroyed: 310
Commercial Destroyed: 483
Commercial Damaged: 100
Other Minor Structures Destroyed: 3,718
Civilian Fatalities: 79

Paradise and neighboring Chico have had almost an inch of rain. We're at Applegate, almost a hundred miles south, and we've had half an inch and more coming. I suppose there will be mudslides in the fire area, but this rain is a great relief.

I wish the best for Laurel and all others who have been affected.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 10:03 AM

In that photo with a few houses still standing it reminds me of a story I read over the weekend where I woman got a call from a stranger. They fled their home, but an ambulance broke down and burned near the house so someone crawled in through a dog door to open the garage door and several sheriff's deputies kept the roof wet and cut brush around the house and nine people sheltered in the garage as the fire passed over. They and the house survived.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 21 Nov 18 - 07:01 AM

2 stories from Australia

Paradise goes up in flames Satellite images show what little is left of Paradise in California, where hundreds of people are still missing after devastating fires.

Paradise burning In the ashes of the small town of Paradise, James Bennett finds carnage and destruction reminiscent of Victoria's Black Saturday fires — and a community with the same grit to start over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 20 Nov 18 - 09:01 PM

I think he's a ratfink, but he was still an old man in a stressful situation. So he had a brain fart. Live with it.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 18 Nov 18 - 06:19 PM

how is it I know the town's name is 'Paradise' yet the president of the united states, surrounded by advisors and aides, standing in the actual burned out town -- thinks it is called 'Pleasure'?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 16 Nov 18 - 05:04 PM

I don't know what Trump is tweeting, but my newspaper says that California has been declared eligible for federal disaster funds for the fires.

That's a relief.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:57 AM

Aid will flow to CA but I suspect as efficiently as PR


With Malibu on fire I expect money will talk and BS will walk.

Donuel Obvioso


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 09:47 AM

I don't think he has a clue as to who owns what out there, he's just pissed that California voted against him.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 14 Nov 18 - 01:25 AM

So Trump is Tweeting threats to withhold disaster funds to California because of poor forest management.
I wonder if he has any idea how much of the lands destroyed by wildfire belong to the U.S. government.
-Joe-


https://www.redding.com/story/news/2018/11/11/trump-blames-state-fires-but-many-worst-federal-land/1971196002/


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 13 Nov 18 - 11:44 AM

New York Times updates.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 07:28 PM

sending best wishes to Laurel & her afmily & friends & others in the fire zones

sandra


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Gallus Moll
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 02:12 PM

My friend from Heritage of Scotland summer schools at Stirling back in the 1970s/80s (with Jean Redpath) lives in 1000 Oaks so I was worried about her - didn't think she would have been in the bar - she wasn't - (why oh why do so many Americans respond to a mass shooting - by going out and buying guns? No-one outside of USA can understand that!! Ban the damn things!!)
Anyway her house is close to a forested area and doesn't seem (google maps) all that far from the Paradise fires but she is fine and not worries at the moment - fingers crossed.
However my heart aches for all the poor animals both wild and domestic that are running around in panic - people can choose where they live / when to leave, animals have no option.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 10:50 AM

I spoke with a friend from Ventura, CA, last night: she's a professional in the county park system and spent many years, as I did, working for the Forest Service and the Park Service as a ranger and a fire fighter. In December 2017 there were horrific fires in the same general area, and one of them burned to within a couple of blocks of her house. The chaparral area has been colonized by all of the neighborhoods but the tinder dry landscape does what it's going to do - it burns, houses and all. And basically the fuel that was left after last year's fires is what is burning this year. The county is going to be bare of living trees when all of this is over.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 12 Nov 18 - 08:23 AM

Trump has threatened to withhold all Federal disaster aid relief from the California fire victims. He says he is blaming/punishing the Firefighters and Forestry Dept. for their incompetence. After all upstate NY and 5th Ave. never have such problems. Trump naturally wants people to know that Californians have betrayed him by being a Democratic stronghold.

This disaster is a reality and not a partisan political football Mr. Trump. Climate has changed to the point that all four seasons are now considered to be the fire season.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 10:53 AM

California has simply never seen fires like this before, according to the reporting in New York Times. And you can ignore Trumps rants and threats about withholding money for fire fighting and forestry due to "bad management" - he doesn't know what he's talking about. This isn't a case of forest management. This is the "urban interface," this is other stuff than managed forests or wilderness.

I'm so sorry, Laurel, but I'm so glad you're all safe.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Janie
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 09:37 AM

Thanks, Maeve. I just saw on Dennis's FB that she had posted.

I'm not on Mudcat much any more, but will check in here for information or links when and if it is known how we might be helpful to them.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 05:46 AM

I s'pose I should mention Laurel does not have access to her FB account.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: maeve
Date: 11 Nov 18 - 04:44 AM

Laurel (open mike), along with her partner, horses and dog are safe. She lost her house again. In her words, "I am a survivor, not a victim." Familiar words. She says hello to Joe Offer and others who've been concerned. It is too soon to know how friends can help.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:35 PM

Animals affected by the fires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Senoufou
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 04:38 PM

Saw the latest bulletin on the News this evening, 200,000 evacuated and 11 deaths.
Fervent hopes that any Mudcatters in the region are safe and that their property isn't under threat.

Eliza


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 12:58 PM

Keep safe, Joe and Laurel. Thinking of you.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 11:32 AM

Thousand Oaks has had a dreadful one-two punch this week. The shootings and now the fires.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 10 Nov 18 - 08:33 AM

These are the most destructive fires in California history and are as serious as it gets.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 07:40 PM

We're about a hundred miles south of the Northern California fire in Paradise. Laurel (open mike) is very near it, so I'm concerned about her.

The skies were clear and blue this morning. About 3 PM, I saw very dark sky to the northwest, and then it became overcast. I think this is all smoke, although I can't smell it.

My area is just as vulnerable as Paradise. Sometimes I wonder how long we will be able to escape serious fire. There was a bad fire half a mile from us a couple years ago.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 09 Nov 18 - 03:48 AM

Laurel, what's your situation? Please let us know. It sounds very serious.
Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 08 Sep 18 - 11:38 AM

Joe, are you making preparations for evacuation? Beloved instruments loaded in the car, jewelry somewhere safe, medicines and cash ready for evacuation, pets rounded up? Insurance premiums paid? Cars gassed up?

The DH says: a couple of gallons of water in the car.

The fire authority has a list of things they want you to do. Google it if you haven't already.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 07 Sep 18 - 12:28 PM

Even small fires
can change history like Alexandria


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 10:31 PM

When I spoke to my son two weeks ago in Seattle he described how awful the air was and how difficult it is to wear the face mask general filter over a beard. He was thinking about trying to get one of the larger heavier silicon or rubber masks, but I think things cleared up before he went so far.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 05 Sep 18 - 09:50 PM

I sure hope the fires bypass your home and your town.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: ChanteyLass
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 11:01 PM

Oh, no! I can't imagine breathing that air.


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Sep 18 - 07:45 PM

Well, we had a few days of cooler temperatures and clear skies. But today, we're back to fire season. From a distance, it looks like the two fires are right on top of us, but they's actually 25 miles to the east and south. Tanker and spotter planes have been flying over the house all afternoon, and the air is getting smoky again.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: leeneia
Date: 15 Aug 18 - 09:04 PM

You have my sympathy, Joe. I hope your neighborhood escapes any fires.

Are you prepared to make a dash for it? Important papers by the door, cars gassed up? Water in the trunk? (The water is the DH's suggestion.)


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 12 Aug 18 - 11:53 PM

Gee, I got a call from a friend just now who said there's a fire burning half a mile from me. I'm surprised that I haven't heard a thing. It covers only 1.5 acres, but there were 60 personnel working the fire. It's 80% contained, so we're pretty safe.
There were planes dumping water and retardant, but I didn't hear planes or sirens at all.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Donuel
Date: 08 Aug 18 - 08:02 AM

I heard a report that all the combined California fires now ranks as the largest recorded California fire of all time.

JUNE 2018 WAS THE ALL TIME HIGHEST GLOBAL TEMPERATURE


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Joe Offer
Date: 07 Aug 18 - 02:59 AM

I don't know why, but they say higher temp weather does have an effect and makes fires worse.
Joe


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:24 PM

Do they have a heat threshold as such that working in the higher temperatures makes them burn? Or just a string of bad luck?


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Subject: RE: BS: Mudcatters near fires out west
From: Rapparee
Date: 06 Aug 18 - 09:12 PM

So far around here it's only been land that's burned, a couple hundred thousand acres. One just south of town was threatening the veterans' home but the firefighters got it in time.

Stay tuned -- this week is supposed to reach 100+F and like the last month or more, no rain forecast. There has been "dry thunderstorms" and some of the fires were caused by lightning. A few have, unfortunately, been caused by humans. The most recent, 2,000 acres or so, was caused when a combine caught fire in a field; it was the third fire caused by a combine catching fire (if you don't know, a combine. is a harvesting machine). Considering how much they cost the farmers/ranchers are out a LOT of money.


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