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Tech: Bloody website

Steve Shaw 20 Oct 15 - 03:24 PM
DMcG 20 Oct 15 - 03:28 PM
GUEST,# 20 Oct 15 - 03:29 PM
Jeri 20 Oct 15 - 05:07 PM
MGM·Lion 20 Oct 15 - 06:15 PM
GUEST,HiLo 20 Oct 15 - 07:05 PM
Tangledwood 20 Oct 15 - 07:18 PM
GUEST 20 Oct 15 - 07:59 PM
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GUEST,.gargoyle 20 Oct 15 - 10:25 PM
Stanron 21 Oct 15 - 03:37 AM
Will Fly 21 Oct 15 - 04:09 AM
Mr Red 21 Oct 15 - 04:31 AM
Steve Shaw 21 Oct 15 - 05:51 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 21 Oct 15 - 09:14 AM
Steve Shaw 21 Oct 15 - 09:32 AM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 21 Oct 15 - 09:51 AM
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Steve Shaw 21 Oct 15 - 10:36 AM
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Subject: Tech: Bloody website
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 03:24 PM

Is it just me? Last couple of days, variously, I can't open Mudcat/can't open threads/can't scroll down/post won't take/little wheel thingie gets stuck and goes round forever and nothing happens/can't refresh. My alternative theories are that (a) there's summat wrong (b) everybody's finding the same thing (c) the software is Christian and knows I'm a militant atheist. Am I alone? Should I worry?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: DMcG
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 03:28 PM

Ai find the same, so I don't think theory (c) applies. Unless the site knows something I don't :)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,#
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 03:29 PM

It's been driving me nuts (and that ain't a long drive) for a few days, too. Particularly annoying when ya find a song or lyric someone's looking for and then can't get it to post because while doing the search the 'cat shut down. No, Steve, it ain't just you.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jeri
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 05:07 PM

I did have a problem yesterday, but it wasn't only with Mudcat, but a few social media sites. I figured it was either my computer downloading updates or Canada's fault for having an election.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 06:15 PM

It's what I always say. They're taking over. All those Cybers, they've been softening us up by pretending to serve us. And now they're moving in for the kill; by robbing us of confidence and morale and driving us gradually, bit by itti·bitty·bitty bit, crazier & crazier. You mark my words, it will by nothing but a Cyber·World any day now!

≈≈≈☠☠☠≈≈≈


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 07:05 PM

Have been having the same frustration, drives me round the bend! Is there a reason why ?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Tangledwood
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 07:18 PM

Haven't had any problems here in Australia. Perhaps it's a traffic issue?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 07:59 PM

Bitch, bitch, bitch!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 10:16 PM

I've switched servers a few times today to get it to go through. Right now etta is okay, but not always.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 20 Oct 15 - 10:25 PM

No problems.

It is easy to read, post, and even start a new thread.

Switch to Linux, its free.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

Looking at the roll call above...you are all behind on your MC dues...the collection plate is going around.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Stanron
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 03:37 AM

Check your messages. I had a period where I could hardly ever get mudcat to load. On one occasion I could get it to work I asked a question about it and a moderator got in touch and sorted it out.

I'm on Linux too.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Will Fly
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 04:09 AM

I've had one or two blips with pages half loading. When it happened I noticed that the page loading info on the bottom said something like "Waiting for... Google ads2"


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Mr Red
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 04:31 AM

I have observed this, but it is acceptable - my opinions are not that important they have to be spouted "NOW"!
If you think the 'Cat is slow at times - try a BT "Hot Spot" - I think we can get them on the UK "Trades Description Act" laws. Either that or we are heading into winter and Hot Spots are affected!

FWIW my BT WiFi "Hot Spot" rides on the back of a neighbour's router courtesy of GF subsrcription. She pays top price and is at the end of the wire (literally) so doesn't always get the legal speed required, and should pay 1/2 according to UK law. Worth every penny I pay, but at times (a lot) is slower than dial-up, ie totally useless.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 05:51 AM

I can use 3G and 4G with reasonable impunity as I have 5GB data allowance per month and I don't download much in the way of music or videos. Great when I'm anywhere except within 20 miles of Bude! Agreed about BT hotspots. I don't think they allow you very much of the owners' bandwidth.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 09:14 AM

what... of course mudcat is bound to be creaky, temperamental and slow...

Stands to reason if the average age of a mudcatter is now 92,
you can't expect the place to be as sprightly or as with it as it used to be....

it takes half an hour longer for a senior mod just to bimble down to the corner shop for a newspaper and a pint of milk...

Stop moaning.. leave poor old mudcat alone.. have some respect for our elders,
it's not so far gone as if it need hospice care... 😜


[guessing.. it'll probably take 20 minutes for even this post to load after 2 or 3 failed attempts...]


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 09:32 AM

I wasn't moaning. Just asking if it was just me really.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 09:51 AM

it's ok. I wasn't aiming at you Steve -

just having a bit of a chuckle at the over protective miseries
who can't tolerate a single word of criticism against dear old mudcat...

"Bagpuss, dear Bagpuss
Old Fat Furry Catpuss
Wake up and look at this thing that I bring
Wake up, be bright, be golden and light
Bagpuss, oh hear what I sing...

And so their work was done.
Bagpuss gave a big yawn and settled down to sleep
And, of course, when Bagpuss goes to sleep,
All his friends go to sleep too.
The mice were ornaments on the mouse organ.
Gabriel and Madeleine were just dolls.
And Professor Yaffle was a carved, wooden bookend in the shape of a woodpecker.
Even Bagpuss himself, once he was asleep, was just an old, saggy cloth cat,
Baggy, and a bit loose at the seams,
But Emily loved him.
" 😎


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 10:30 AM

I thought it was just me. Sometimes it just hands while loading, sometimes threads stop loading half way through.

I know all the stuff about Mudcat being home knitted out of yoghurt or whatever but it really is time it moved onto a decent platform.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 10:36 AM

I suppose that'll cost somebody some money.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 10:53 AM

at the moment mudcat is so tediously lethargic loading any pages,
it's like an old piss smelling cat that's been put under heavy anaesthetic by a vet
about to probe internally for bladder & bowel irregularities...

..and my broadband averages just over 20 mbps..



ps.. for the benefit of any mudcatters on the other side of the Atlantic with no idea of how important Bagpuss is
to the "Wicker Man" spectrum of British folk culture...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 11:28 AM

oh.. and for the benefit of the old miseries..


Where's there even any criticism, let alone any real moaning complaints in this thread...???

what I see is valid helpful end-user technical feedback... 😇


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: DMcG
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 06:29 PM

There's something in Guest's post just above. Not all criticism or comment is intended to be destructive - it can just be plain and simple observation.

I think it's fair to say that while the performance of mudcat has varied a lot over the years, including periods where it was unavailable for days, it is currently going through one of the very slow periods. On one hand, that is a bit odd, because my perception is that the number of active users is very much smaller that it used to be - perhaps a fifth or less. However there are two other factors. The databases Mudcat uses just grows continually (I suspect even deleting a thread doesn't actually make the database smaller and even if it did, it would typically be less than a millionth of the size of the total database. So one of the reasons for deteriorating performance is going to be that just getting bigger all the time and needing more resources to do anything with it..

But there's also a special case: The mother of all BS thread. I suspect whenever anyone goes anywhere near that thread it completely hammers the computer. I don't know for certain, but I very much doubt if any of the coding ever anticipated something with the that number of entries. I know by using the paging schemes the final data transmitted may not be excessive but eve end working out the page links is goi g to take a lot of processing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Nick
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 06:49 PM

Out of interest Steve you don't use chrome by any chance? One of our sites at work has got lots of grief because of a recent chrome update

If you use chrome I can explain more


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 06:58 PM

I use chrome


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 07:30 PM

I use Chrome on my laptop but nearly all my mudcatting is done on my iPad these days, which is a safari-only zone.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 07:44 PM

I have not run a "trace" for several years.

A little over two years ago Max moved over to "Go Daddy."

It has saved MAX a mountain of problems.

In the past....a power-outage or surge, or dump-overload, could create chaos. Many times a server in the flooded basement of his rentals would short out. It was common for MC to be off-line for several days

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

In the world of internet forums it is a miracle the Mudcat continues.

BTW - I find the use of "bloody" to be VERY offencive. At the next online board meeting I will recommend the revocation of your posting ability. Become polite


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 07:44 PM

Max has several servers... I hit the problem and worried until I remembered the names of others. I entered awe.mudcat.org & it worked fine. another is etta.mudcat...but so far awe is doing ok.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jack Campin
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 07:47 PM

I suspect people are running into the same issue I posted about a couple of weeks ago - Google have changed something in the way their ad servers work, in response to ad blockers, and this causes hangs if a site links indirectly to those servers. I mentioned newsdaily.com; concertina.net is another one that has the same problem, some pages not loading at all until I hit the back button. Because of the variety of browser behaviours, the variety of ad/script blockers people use, and the variety of ways ad scripts can be invoked, it is nearly impossible to get reproducible results.

Mudcat is one site that gives me few problems in that department. The ads got so processor-intensive years ago, making the site totally unusable on this machine, that I did some serious protective juju to block them. It worked great - I never see anything but Mudcat itself - but I now have no idea how I did it. (I didn't actually want to do it, but the alternative was not using Mudcat at all).


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Bill D
Date: 21 Oct 15 - 07:51 PM

It's doing pretty well for a 19 year old site that lives in Max's house and has almost all posts still there. Oct.1, 1996.....

Glitches are a nuisance, but...........


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Nick
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 03:19 AM

I just tried on IE11, Edge and on Chrome

Straight in on IE; straight in on Edge and Chrome hasn't even got to the main page yet.

Something browser related I feel may be at the root

Chrome is still loading after 3 minutes


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Nick
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 03:27 AM

Still not loaded in Chrome...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 04:01 AM

Being a Google product, Chrome is likely to favour Google ad sites and make sure you see them.

I haven't seen a similar issue involving other ad servers, only Google's.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: JHW
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 05:24 AM

I thought there was a rule that you could not discuss Mudcat itself on Mudcat?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 05:49 AM

I guess the thread will stay active as long as it's providing information Max can use.

I'm posting this via Safari on iOS 6. I'm not seeing any ads (don't remember setting anything up to block them) and I'm also not seeing any hangs or slowdowns.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 06:41 AM

so if the kneejerk old miseries can now accept there is a valid constructive good natured point to this thread...

I'm on Win 8.1 / Chrome / Adblock / Windows Defender.

No other active real time malware scanners or Site blockers installed


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Newport Boy
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 07:24 AM

I'm on Linux / Iceweasel (Firefox clone). No virus scanners, adblockers, etc installed.

I was happily scrolling through this thread when it came to a grinding halt. 'Reading google.ad something or other' for more than a minute with no sign of progress. Stopped and reloaded page with no problem.

Blame Mr Google!

Phil


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Stanron
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 07:47 AM

I'm on Linux, Mint 17.2, with Mozilla Firefox browser. Virus scanners not needed if I only download through Software Manager. Pop ups blocked in browser but no adblocker. Just got a blank page with Mudcat header and the word awe in top left corner. Reloaded URL with no problem.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 08:47 AM

within minutes of my last post - mudcat failed to load at all;
just a blank page for ages.
So I gave up trying until now.

I wanted to add that I started using ad block because a rogue page on another music blog
loaded a malware armed ad that instantly zapped my computer.
It effed up my browser setting and killed my internet connection.
I was out of action for days trying to fix it until I gave up and resorted to a total system reinstall.

Plus my internet computer was until very recently old underpowered outdated technology,
and memory resource hogging 'media rich' ads just crippled it's performance...

My New PC is only a budget priced machine with 4GB of ram.

I do have a habit of keeping several/many tabs of chrome open at any one time.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Snuffy
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 10:59 AM

I do the same when I first open Mudcat: I click to open a new tab for each unread thread that might interest me (typically 5 to 15), leaving a tab open at the Mudcat homepage.

By the time I've selected the last thread, the first one has usually opened, and all the others will be open by the time I get to them.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jack Campin
Date: 22 Oct 15 - 08:17 PM

I have just tried adding these lines to my /etc/hosts file:

127.0.0.1       partner.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1       pagead.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       pagead2.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       domains.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       adservices.google.com


This fixes the problems with concertina.net, but doesn't fix the issue with newsdaily.com - that one still hangs waiting for partner.googleadservices.com, but hitting the back button reloads it immediately. Mudcat looks the same as before the change, but then I already had ad and script blockers on the case for that.

This way of dealing with the problem is something of a nuclear option - data from those sites never even reaches the browser. I'd rather not have to do any blocking, if only advertisers weren't such utter selfish pigs about using up my communication and processor resources.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 02:57 AM

Anybody using Firefox could try setting privacy.trackingprotection.enabled to true.

Here on Android that intercepts scripts from doubleclick.net, chartbeat.com, and addthis.com on mudcat (Though on Linux only doublecluck)

I think we may see some action soon to mitigate the ad performance situation, at least from Google which has most to lose.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 04:38 AM

The message 'DNS error' or similar has gone from after the last post. It looks like the code in the page for the amazon add that was failing has been taken out. So some work relating to adds is being done.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: Jack Campin
Date: 23 Oct 15 - 06:39 AM

Spoke too soon. That didn't completely fix the issue with concertina.net. This seems to:

127.0.0.1       partner.googleadservices.com
127.0.0.1       pagead.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       pagead2.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       domains.googlesyndication.com
127.0.0.1       adservices.google.com
127.0.0.1       googletagservices.com
127.0.0.1       google-analytics.com


But I still can't stop newsdaily.com from hanging, waiting for partner.googleadservices.com, when it opens an article page. (Hitting the back button loads the page). There seems to be a lot of "googletag" stuff going on but I can't see exactly where partner.googleadservices.com is being called from.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Bloody website
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 25 Oct 15 - 10:42 AM

Mudcat seems to be working relatively smooth and fast & reliable on my PC over the last 24 hours....

At my end I let windows update do 2 important and 3 or 4 optional updates,
Don't know if Chrome updated as well - but currently Version 47.0.2526.27 beta-m (64-bit).

If Max worked some behind the scenes magic - cheers boss...


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