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Subject: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Barbara
Date: 03 Dec 99 - 02:50 PM

I'm looking for both the words and some more information about this lullaby that I believe is traditional and recorded by Sara Grey.
I think the chorus goes: Close your eyes, Close your eyes and dream (2X).
Anyone?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: Lyr Add: ACROSS THE BRIDGE WHERE ANGELS DWELL
From: MMario
Date: 03 Dec 99 - 04:28 PM

From Van Morrison on the Beautiful Dreamer Album:

ACROSS THE BRIDGE WHERE ANGELS DWELL

Across the bridge where angels dwell
Across the bridge where angels
Across the bridge where angels dwell
Children play

Beyond the place where time is still
Beyond the place where time is
Beyond the place where time is still
Night is day

Close your eyes in fields of wonder
Close your eyes and dream
Close your eyes in fields of wonder
Close your eyes and dream

Along the path where heaven lies
Along the path where heaven
Along the path where heaven lies
All is fair

Ahead where home awaits the heart
Ahead where home is waiting
Ahead where home awaits the heart
Peace is near

Close your eyes in fields of wonder
Close your eyes and dream
Close your eyes in fields of wonder
Close your eyes and dream

Across the bridge where angels dwell
Across the bridge where angels
Across the bridge where angels dwell
Children play

(repeat)

on the CD "All thorugh the night" from Mae Robinton and Don Jackson it is attributed to Van Morrison and Hugh Murphy


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Barbara
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 03:23 AM

Thanks, MMario. Thasit! Neat song. Wonder where I got the idea it was trad? Did you ever eat the Gravensteins?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Mary
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 03:05 PM

you might want to double check with Sara Grey.....both statements could be true.....


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Liz and Ed
Date: 04 Dec 99 - 05:48 PM

It's on Sara Grey's album "Sara," I think. We met her at Pinewoods two years ago. I believe she said she (or someone) found it in an old Carolina hymnbook. We've lent the CD to somebody or else we could look up the info for you in the liner notes...Sara doesn't sing it quite the way it's written above (for example, her version doesn't have "along the path where heaven lies,' unless memory fails me).

Water Sign has also recorded it, and their liner notes say it's a traditional hymn from Carolina (but then, they learned it from Sara, too).

You can contact Dave Kleiman of WaterSign at dmkleiman@worldnet.att.net - good luck

Liz


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Mark (mdow718975@aol)
Date: 05 Dec 99 - 12:30 PM

The CD "Sara" is on the Harbourtown label cat No HARCD 028.

Sara gets really annoyed when people refer to the song as a Van Morrison song! The sleeve notes say that it was an old Carolina hymn.

For the record, I'm the guy singing harmony in the background. I learned the words in Sara's car on the way to the recording studio! The fastest song I've ever learned I think.

The version we sing is very similar to the words stated above with just a couple of words altered but that's oral tradition for you.

Best wishes

Mark


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Barbara
Date: 05 Dec 99 - 03:12 PM

Anyone have the Carolina source? Could the Hugh Murphy listed with Van be the hymnbook compiler? We all know how a traditional song can get copyrighted in someone's name. Could it be Van added the verse about the path and then claimed it all?
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 15 Jun 02 - 08:09 AM

Does anyone have any further info on this lovely hymn??? Chhers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: cetmst
Date: 16 Jun 02 - 07:58 AM

Liner notes for the Mill Run Dulcimer Band recording "You've Been a Friend to Me" (1988) add a couple more names to the pot. Neal Walters of MRDB learned it from Karen Billings in Elkins WV who urged him to give credit to her source, Nancy Beaven in Vermont. Don't know these folks but they might be links to the original work.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Dicho (Frank Staplin)
Date: 16 Jun 02 - 02:51 PM

Good song! Not found in Brown, North Carolina Folklore or in The Traditional Ballad Index. Would like to know something more of its history.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Barbara
Date: 20 Oct 03 - 05:11 PM

Went to hear Sara Grey last night in Portland OR, and she sang this with her son Keiron. You're right, Mark, she gets quite cross about the idea that Van Morrison had anything to do with the writing of this song. She learned it at a community folk festival from a group of women who sang Carolina hymns, and had a name like Carolina Hymn singers or such. She asked their permission to perform it, and a few years later sang it at a Broadmead festival just before Van Morrison went on.
Lo and behold, it shows up on his record a couple years later. "It was very naughty of him to copyright it in his name, " she said. The tune and words are very simple, so possibly he picked it up at the time or learned it from a concert tape.
Possibly someone in the group wrote it, since it doesn't sound that old to my ear.
Perhaps Sara could dredge something out of memory about the women singers.
Blessings,
Barbara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 May 04 - 04:47 AM

Has there been any advance on the authorship of this beautiful song???

Our a cappella harmony group "Work-in-Progress" (Oz) performs it and when we need to fill out APRA sheets (for copyright royalties), we'd like to ensure the correct people get the (probable!) pittance - i.e. NOT Mr Van Morrison!!!!!!!

Is anyone in contact with Sara Grey, then???

Thanks.

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Sandra in Sydney
Date: 06 May 04 - 10:42 AM

I know someone who is, so I passed on your message, Rich-Joy.

sandra


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 06 May 04 - 06:59 PM

Thanks, Sandra!

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 06 May 04 - 08:53 PM

Found a link to Mp3 sample on line:

Mae Robertson: Across the Bridge Mp3


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Uncle Jaque
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:00 PM

Hmmmm..... Try:

Mae Robertson


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Subject: ADD: Across the Bridge (Sara Grey)
From: Joe Offer
Date: 06 May 04 - 09:16 PM

To be fair to Sara Grey, here's her version. Her recording is haunting.
-Joe Offer-

ACROSS THE BRIDGE
(old Carolina hymn, sung by Sara Grey)

Across the bridge where angels dwell
Across the bridge where angels
Across the bridge where angels dwell
Children play

Beyond the place where time is still
Beyond the place where time is
Beyond the place where time is still
Night is day
    Close your eyes in fields of wonder
    Close your eyes and dream
    Close your eyes in fields of wonder
    Close your eyes and dream


Ahead where home awaits the heart
Ahead where home is waiting
Ahead where home awaits the heart
All is near

Beyond the place where heaven lies
Beyond the place where heaven
Beyond the place where heaven lies
Peace is near.
    Close your eyes in fields of wonder
    Close your eyes and dream
    Close your eyes in fields of wonder
    Close your eyes and dream



transcribed from the 1994 Sara Grey CD, Sara


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 07 May 04 - 08:05 PM

Heard it somewhere else too - ? Dolores Keane?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 31 May 04 - 07:48 PM

any advances?!

Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 02 Jun 04 - 07:25 PM

I checked out my Dolores Keane tapes, and she also attributes it to Van Morrison/Hugh Murphy - Intersong music. Dolores does it on her "Lion in a Cage" album.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 19 Aug 05 - 06:23 AM

I'll try my annual "any advances on the ORIGIN of this song" question ... sigh ... coz ya just never know!

And what about the "Hugh Murphy" lead - anyone know his relationship to Van Morrison???



Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 23 Aug 05 - 07:52 PM

This information from Allmusic.com:
    ACROSS THE BRIDGE WHERE ANGELS DWELL is on Van Morrison's 1982 album "Beautiful Vision."

    Mae Robertson and Don Jackson recorded it on their 1997 album "All Through the Night." They attribute it to "Morrison/Murphy."

    Dolores Keane calls it ACROSS THE BRIDGE on her 1999 album "Lion in a Cage." She also attributes it to Morrison & Murphy.

    Hugh Murphy is also listed as co-writer of a couple of other songs that Morrison recorded: ARYAN MIST, also on "Beautiful Vision," and DWELLER ON THE THRESHOLD, which is on "Beautiful Vision" plus "Live at the Grand Opera House, Belfast," and "The Best of Van Morrison."

    Hugh Murphy is also listed as an engineer on "Beautiful Vision." He (or perhaps someone else with the same name) is listed as producer, arranger, engineer, mixer, etc. on numerous other albums by other artists such as Gerry Rafferty, The Proclaimers, Richard Thompson, Linda Thompson, and Lindisfarne.
The following information from http://www.maclurg.com/SaraGrey/SaraNotes.htm.
    Sara Grey recorded it on her 1994 album "Sara," where the liner notes say only: "I heard this song sung at a traditional festival near Springfield, Missouri five years ago and was told that it was an old Carolina hymn."
That means she learned it about 7 years after Morrison's album came out. Is it possible she was told wrongly? Or she misremembers what she was told?

Unless someone can find some proof that the song is older than 1982, I'm inclined to believe the Morrison/Murphy origin.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: rich-joy
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 01:38 AM

Yes, that is strange isn't it, Jim, coz Barbara's post of Oct 20th 2003 reads, in part :

" ... Went to hear Sara Grey last night in Portland OR, and she sang this with her son Keiron. You're right, Mark, she gets quite cross about the idea that Van Morrison had anything to do with the writing of this song. She learned it at a community folk festival from a group of women who sang Carolina hymns, and had a name like Carolina Hymn singers or such. She asked their permission to perform it, and a few years later sang it at a Broadmead festival just before Van Morrison went on.
Lo and behold, it shows up on his record a couple years later. "It was very naughty of him to copyright it in his name, " she said. The tune and words are very simple, so possibly he picked it up at the time or learned it from a concert tape ..."


I think this date contradiction thing is something only Sara can clarify(?) - anyone know her personally???

Surely SOME Mudcatter in the Good Old US of A can track down this group of "female singers of Carolina Hymns" who were performing at a community festival (where? and when?) - it doesn't sound all THAT long ago! (After all, there have been many HARDER sleuthing jobs excellently performed by 'Catters over the years!!!)


So, WHO will rise to the challenge???!!!



Cheers! R-J


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell
From: Tattie Bogle
Date: 24 Aug 05 - 05:49 PM

Sara and Kieron are performing in Penicuik near Edinburgh next Tuesday (30th). If I get there I'll ask her!
TB


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Subject: RE: Origins:Across the Bridge Where Angels Dwell-trad?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 Sep 11 - 02:28 AM

Songfile.com, the licensing arm of the Harry Fox Agency, attributes the song to Van Morrison and Hugh Murphy. Songfile.com lists recordings of the song by Dolores Keane, Don Jackson and Mae Robertson, Gleixner (Ursual Mauder and Wolfgang Gleixner), and by Lance James.

I guess we really need to ask Van Morrison who wrote it. I gotta say, it doesn't sound like an old North Carolina hymn. It sounds like Van Morrison to me.

-Joe-


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