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Guitar question

akenaton 28 Oct 15 - 12:16 PM
Bert 28 Oct 15 - 12:19 PM
GUEST,leeneia 28 Oct 15 - 12:26 PM
GUEST,punkfolkrocker 28 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM
MGM·Lion 28 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM
akenaton 28 Oct 15 - 12:31 PM
GUEST,# 28 Oct 15 - 12:32 PM
akenaton 28 Oct 15 - 12:37 PM
akenaton 28 Oct 15 - 12:39 PM
GUEST,matt milton 28 Oct 15 - 01:17 PM
Stanron 28 Oct 15 - 01:18 PM
GUEST,Ray 28 Oct 15 - 01:30 PM
GUEST,alex s no cookie 28 Oct 15 - 01:54 PM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 29 Oct 15 - 04:50 AM
akenaton 29 Oct 15 - 05:59 AM
GUEST,Guest from Sanity 30 Oct 15 - 12:03 AM
Bugsy 30 Oct 15 - 06:42 AM
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Subject: Guitar question
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:16 PM

I've got a lovely little Nagoya Suzuki classical guitar, perfect condition, beautiful tone, looks about 60's/ 70's.

Ii looks very solidly made, but light as a feather, would it be suitable for fitting with light quality steel strings/

Any advice would be appreciated....Ake.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: Bert
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:19 PM

You might get away with it but I wouldn't try.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:26 PM

Perfect condition, beautiful tone - why would you risk damaging it?


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,punkfolkrocker
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

Ake - It's the sort of thing I might risk with a disposable cheapo 2nd hand spanish guitar
to see if it works and what it sounds like;
but personally I'd refrain from risking a guitar that sounds as decent as the one you describe.

... and if I did.. I'd minimise the risk by using an ultra light 12 string set,
discard the low bass strings,
and set it up in High-strung Nashville tuning....

Over the years I've obtained a lot of cheap expendable ebay guitars specifically for mucking about with experimentally...

So far I've not managed to write any off completely... well ok.. maybe 2.. or.. 3... 😬


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:30 PM

I don't think steel fits the tone of a classical guitar -- not what they are made or meant to sound like. If you like steel, why not get an instrument designed for it and accordingly toned. But don't pollute a classical with a sound alien to its nature, play it the way it is -- preferably finger-style: & anyhow never with pick or plectrum -- just thumb-strum if that is the sort of rhythm you are after.

≈M≈


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:31 PM

Hmm.... I wouldn't like to damage it, as I have never had a guitar which was so light, but the build is perfect no movement anywhere and the finish is like brand new.

Found it in an old junk shop a couple of years ago inside a tattered old carrying bag......thought I had found the crown jewels!! :0)

Just thought I could make the excellent tone a little louder.

Thanks Bert.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,#
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:32 PM

Ditto. Not a good idea, Ake. Nylon and steel-stringed guitars are stressed differently in the neck and under the bridge. There are less painful ways to destroy a guitar but steel on nylon works pretty well.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:37 PM

Thanks everybody! Michael, I only play fingerstyle and only for my own enjoyment.

PFR you obviously know much more than me (about music):0). I think I'll leave it as it is.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: akenaton
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 12:39 PM

Special thanks #....now I will definitely leave it.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,matt milton
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:17 PM

"Just thought I could make the excellent tone a little louder"

Why don't you Google around for some advice on the best strings to use in order to get a loud, bright tone on a classical guitar?

I bet there's plenty of opinions out there!
You could start by using high-gauge strings. (I don't even known if nylon strings come in different gauges!)


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: Stanron
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:18 PM

Checking online I've found a site that says classical guitar strings have a tension of 89.466 lb, which works out as 40.58 kilograms.

According to this site

http://www.mcdonaldstrings.com/stringxxiii.html

a medium set of steel cored strings ,013 to .056 pulls 80.67 kilograms. Nearly double.
A set of ultra light steel cored strings, .008 to .040 come out at 37.26 kg. Just under the classical guitar set but the string length will make a difference. The classical set and the above tensions are calculated on a string length of 65 cms. A shorter string length will take heavier strings. The site above allows you to find tensions on different string lengths. I think that if the tension is not more than 40 kilos you might get away with it. Your choice.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,Ray
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:30 PM

Putting steel; especially light gauge, strings on it would also make it difficult to tune accurately as the bridge set-up is totally different on a nylon strung guitar than a steel strung. There are plenty of cheap and cheerful steel string guitars out there so I'd advise getting one of those if yiu're set on a steel string - its one of the better things to comeout of computerised production, 20 or 30 years ago cheap steel strings were awful, nowadays at least they're playable.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,alex s no cookie
Date: 28 Oct 15 - 01:54 PM

DON'T use steel strings. Try D'addario Pro-Arte Hard Tension EJ44 nylon strings.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 04:50 AM

Stay with the classical strings, as it was made for that instrument, and the instrument for them, for a particular tone. Steel strings, the same thing. Don't fuck with it. The ONLY thing that you can use, from one of those guitars to the other, is the incorporation of finger techniques!
Also, in the mid-60's when the Japaneses started to cash in on the guitar markets, a lot of people dismissed them as cheap, inferior guitars....yes the WERE cheaper, but and old Yamaha, or Suzuki can be a fantastic piece. In the '80's, I was requested to do some acoustic guitar tracks, in a particular studio, in Malibu, Calif. I brought in my Martin, and a Yamaha F-130 (not the top of the line but a great sounding guitar)...We ended up doing the recording on the Yamaha!

Take care of that guitar, the way it was supposed to be set up....

..no political spin about it, either!

Regards!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: akenaton
Date: 29 Oct 15 - 05:59 AM

Thanks Sanity, my fingers are a bit too battered to do much about technique :0).....I love the sound of the Nagoya, it makes ME think I'm a musician.......magic!    Take care buddy.


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 12:03 AM

Ake: "my fingers are a bit too battered to do much about technique.."

Practice, practice, practice...you'll get 'em in shape....

Regards!!

GfS


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Subject: RE: Guitar question
From: Bugsy
Date: 30 Oct 15 - 06:42 AM

I used Dr Thomastik Ultra lights on my Hagstrom Classical. It worked but the strings were very thin. It was like playing with spiders webs.

Try John Pearse Strings. They do some interesting variations for Nylons stringed acoustic guitars,

CHeers

Bugsy


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