Roy Harper - mostly off-topic

Subject: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 12:54 PM

As ANOTHER **innocent** man's life lies in ruins, whilst those who caused this remain anonymous and their lives not changed at all....

Case Closed - Charges Dropped

WHEN is all this SHIT going to stop?

WHEN are these foul Witch Hunts against famous men going to be stopped, forever?

What is going on is beyond belief and it is the police themselves who are causing it, aided and abetted by the CPS and The Misandric Feminists, alongside a now utterly corrupted justice system and a £Compensation System which needs to be closed down immediately to stop these lying gold-diggers from growing rich, whilst the men they hurl abuse are sent to hell, often for the rest of their lives.

And don't even get me STARTED on 'Victim Trawling' NoWin/NoFee lawyers who have stitched our legal system up very nicely in order to make as much money as they can, not giving a hoot about blowing apart the lives of innocent men.

Geez! I am SO angry!!

Everyone out there, help Roy back on his feet again, with gigs, songs, publicity. Whatever you CAN do, please, DO.

DLT remains a broken man, financially, spiritually..appeal coming up soon....

And He Who Must Not Be Mentioned on here, remains in prison, even though the allegations against him are outrageous and his trial was absolutely sinister, in every way....

Stand UP, MEN and shout out loud....

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 12:59 PM

Did you not bother looking at the other thread before starting this?

Obviously not...

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: The Sandman
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 01:00 PM

anonymous guest, feck off,

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 01:15 PM

Yes, I looked at it, 'guest'.

Did you not bother to look at the TITLE of that thread, then realize the man has been CLEARED, NOT CHARGED?

Obviously not.......

He's had enough BAD publicity, without a thread stating he's been 'charged' in its title surfacing again.



Now, plese, let the discussion start on the shocking way Roy has been treated, along with so many other innocent men...

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: SINSULL
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 01:27 PM

An intelligent discussion has been ongoing on the earler thread.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 01:49 PM

WHY would you want to have a title of 'Roy Harper CHARGED' when the man has just been CLEARED?

You need to shout out he's been CLEARED.

Stop being so damned unpleasant....

Geez, I'd forgotten how fucking nasty this place can be........

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Lizzie, All you needed to do was ask a moderator to change the thread title. We try to keep down the number of threads so that there is continuity in discussion. I'm sure you were aware of the previous thread, and somebody had posted a message to that thread to say that the charges were dropped. The discussion should have continued in that thread. By rights, your thread should have been deleted. If there is already an active thread on a given subject, secondary threads on the same subject are prohibited.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Greg F.
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 02:12 PM

An intelligent discussion has been ongoing on the earler thread.

The last thing Liz is interested in is an intelligent discussion.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 02:12 PM

Hi, Lizzie. It's nice to have you back. I'm glad to hear Roy Harper was cleared, because that means there is less evil in this world than we thought.

he Mudcat is basically a good place you know, except for the passel of rogues referred to as The Usual Suspects. They like to form squads and attack people - it's adolescent behavior, really.

The sad case of Roy Harper reminds me of a Dutch proverb: The tall tree catches the wind.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 06:32 PM

Thank you, leeneia...much love to you and I hope you're keeping well. :0) xx


EXCELLENT blog from Opher:

Roy's Acquitted But Where Is The Justice?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 09 Nov 15 - 07:58 PM

Thank Heavens the "clones" reviewed my orignal posting regarding this thread as

B. S.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

The "tasty pasty" has a long record Of misundersatand. B..S..

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 04:19 AM

WHY has this been moved down, when the 'Roy Harper Charged' thread is still in the music section?

What is WRONG with people on Mudcat, not just posters but the mods?

Max, WHY have you let your site be taken over by such people? WHY?

The man has had the final charges against him dropped, faced years of hell, been found innocent of other allegations, yet, Mudcat, a forum for musicians, does NOT want to SUPPORT Roy Harper?

Mudcat, twisted with jealousy and bile and bitterness and resentment towards anyone who's 'made it'.....

What a sad, sad, vitriolic and shameful site this has become and what a shocking and vile reflection it is on the English Folk World.

Of course, had ANYONE else started this thread, it would have been left entirely alone, but as always, The Bloody Bullies reign in here, given free hand to do so by this site's owner and those he has to help him.

Very, very sad and a HUGE betrayal BY musicians of another musician who actually deserves all the support he is so due.

I feel so sad for those on here whose hearts are filled with bitterness and bile.

Subject: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: GUEST,Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 04:24 AM

Could the mods and Max please explain why the earlier thread on Roy has been moved to BS, whilst the old one with the heading 'Roy Harper CHARGED' remains up here, please?

WHY does Mudcat want to spread the lie that he's been charged again, when he hasn't?

I know it's an old thread, but the TITLE either needs to be changed, urgently to 'CLEARED', or the new thread with this title and the information about him, be allowed to remain in the music section, due to Roy Harper BEING a MUSICIAN!

For keriste's sake, Mudcat, are you TRULY this BITTER that you give in to bullies time after time after time?

The man has spent THREE YEARS IN HELL, and you have a thread stating he's been CHARGED, thus misleading people into thinking he has been charged AGAIN?

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESH!

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 06:47 AM

Liz since you asked so nice, can this thread please be moved? I'm sure your request will be granted for transfer to the lower kingdom.

B....S....B....S....B...S...B...S...B..S..B..S..B..S..

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

What a surprise to see you again ... you promised the receipe for those tastey pasties.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 07:12 AM

Flectere si nequeo superos, Acheronta movebo.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 07:46 AM

Leeneia, nothing inherently wrong when you say

Hi, Lizzie. It's nice to have you back... ...Mudcat is basically a good place you know, except for the passel of rogues referred to as The Usual Suspects. They like to form squads and attack people - it's adolescent behavior, really.

but I suggest you look at the rant of 10 Nov 15 - 04:19 AM and the subsequent new thread to explain why Lizzie often receives such treatment. I think 'attack' in this context is an incorrect term as when such rants are voiced the replies are, more often than not, a defence or simply trying to put the hyperbole in more reasonable terms. In my opinion that is.

Matt - Not just the cases you mention. I am astounded that some people will happily accept that Savile was everything that has been said about him, without the benefit of a fair trial, yet after such a trial they still believe that Harris is innocent. The circumstances are no different apart from Savile can no longer defend himself. Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that either are innocent or guilty. Simply pointing out the inconsistent approach to historic evidence that lay people have. Which is why it must only be ever handled by the judiciary. Flawed as that may be.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 07:51 AM

Michael, I think it was simply the fact that the thread has already been created once and while your point about it being valuable is a good one, there is really no need to have 2 threads going on exactly the same subject simply because the opening poster disagrees with the moderators decision to move the first one below the line.

Moderators. As one of the sticking points seems to be that the 'charged' thread is above the line while the 'cleared' one is below may I suggest that, as neither are particularly concerned with music, that they are both placed below the line?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: Acorn4
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 08:21 AM

To clarify thins I merely posted up the post on the "charged" thread for information.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED - Thread 2
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 08:26 AM

why not just combine all 3 threads below the line under the title "Roy harper charged, then eventually cleared" ?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 08:49 AM

As you cannot be bothered to read up on the matter defines your interest in the subject - I can see no point in any attempt on my part at explaining it to you.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,😇
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 09:01 AM

There is a point - clarity of communication.

If you have something to say to a readership who mostly have no prior knowledge of your specialist area of expertise,
then the onus is on you to present your intended ideas, conveying sufficiently required information as effectively and concisely as you are able.

Only a pompous prat would demand that a non expert readership should trawl through arcanely written legal legislation.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Wesley S
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 09:04 AM

Who's Roy Harper?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 09:10 AM

As the original post was submitted to support something stated by Manitas_at_Work I feel no need to expend time or energy in engaging in any exchange where the principle whereby - the onus to present intended ideas, conveying sufficiently required information - only applies to one side.

GUEST,😇 - or should that be Musket?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Greg F.
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 09:14 AM

Bye-bye, Liz - your usual infantile hysterics are at best boring and at worst a real pain in the ass, dontcha know?

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,😇
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 09:20 AM

Perhaps you should be referred to the Plain English Campaign

No, I'm not a musket.

But the fact you suspect I should be does say much about the kind GUEST you might be.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 10:11 AM

As you cannot be bothered to read up on the matter defines your interest in the subject - I can see no point in any attempt on my part at explaining it to you.

As I explained, quite clearly I thought, that if I was to read it it would be beyond my limited legal knowledge I can only assume that you do not have either the legal expertise to understand it yourself or the communications skills to explain it. Pity really as I would like clarification on the issue rather than rumour and hearsay.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:00 PM

As you would like clarification, instead of looking for the arguements you seem to revel in (I've just had a peek at your posting history) and preferably from a qualified source - try www.askalawyer.co.uk

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,😇
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:21 PM

well GUEST - thank you for your constructive contribution to our understanding of the complex legalities
which you considered relevant to bring to our attention;
this makes matters much clearer ?????

Do we need to be spoon fed - not really.

Would a well explained brief summary have helped - that would have been positive, and avoided your unnecessary negativity.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:25 PM

An anonymous GUEST moaning about an unspecified "you".

Kindly stop wasting electrons.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: GUEST,Beetlebeard
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 12:32 PM

I'll tell you what. Musket seems to be a name used a lot around here, yet the man who first called himself Musket reckons he hasn't posted since the summer and that his mates who used it also buggered off before he did.

Perhaps as this thread is about Roy Harper, I am reminded that Musket Of the Ian variety plays a rather good version of Tom Tiddler's Ground.

I'll send on your regards tonight at Tickhill.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper CLEARED
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 01:29 PM

I always liked 'When an old cricketer leaves the crease'. Does he do that one as well?

Guest - You obviously have me at a disadvantage. You seem to know all about the members on here but we know nothing about you apart from your reluctance to to elucidate on your earlier comments. Which can only lead us to the conclusion that you are talking through your arse. But, in fairness, I have taken your advice and posted the following question to the web site you recommend. "Is the law now that you are guilty unto proven innocent when applied to historic sex abuse cases?" I await the response and will let the forum know the results.

Subject: RE: Roy Harper - mostly off-topic
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Nov 15 - 04:50 PM

I'm going to close this thread, and move the on-topic messages up to the existing discussion. There was no need for two additional threads. Some of the information here is pertinent to the discussion, but mixed with stuff that's not. If you've posted something here that you think should be in the main discussion, feel free to copy-pasted it there. Lizzie, settle down, or your posts will all be transferred to this closed thread.
-Joe-