BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 06:09 PM

Hey Nimrod, so far you haven't said anything that shows that you are able to 'judge' anything about education on global warming...I posted a link....from NASA, which happens to co-inside with what I said...how about you??...and try not to cherry pick some ideological nonsense...if possible

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 06:08 PM

Never mind, Dave, Pete types permanently in the wrong box!

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 05:34 PM

Sorry chaps, 6th December 02:47 was me, replying to Pete, not Pete replying to himself. I was typing in the wrong box.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 05:00 PM

So, 'Guest from Sanity', I can only conclude that you've got NO qualifications in climate science. Mind you, if you have, you've still got plenty of time to tell us about them ...

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:48 PM

I never said it was 6000 years old....Hey, how about you stopping the 'profiling'!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:27 PM

Goofus, anyone who thinks the earth is 6,000 years old is, ipso facto, an idiot.

And someone who defends that view is an even bigger idiot.

Contribute that.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 04:05 PM

Right, 'Guest from Sanity', before Pete barged in, you were about to tell us about your qualifications in climate science ... weren't you?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:51 PM

Hey, gang, lets not get involved in yet another futile discussion with Idiot Pete, eh?

Haven't we heard his bullshit enough times over? Its not like he's going to say anything new.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:45 PM

Good one, olddude!

As far as railing against 'creationists'...I suppose you who identify with Fascist ideals, have a 'Final Solution' for them too!!

...and as far as history is concerned, History teaches us that man doesn't learn from history, and given the option, man always chooses the most painful and destructive path....History!...(and the 'so-called liberal' stance is exactly THAT!! You're being used!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Pete from seven stars link
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:41 PM

Yes Paul, it is encouraging to know that there are thousands who are not taken in by the evolution delusion. I guess that some of the evidence for creation is that it accords with observational science as eg, the principle of causality, and life only life. Of course the details cannot be proved, but as evolutionists insist they have the intellectual high ground , I reckon they need to give us their evidence , ie data that can only accord with evolutionism.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Olddude
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:32 PM

How about cow farts, we could park wind mills next to them so even on a calm day, badda bing

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:24 PM

"The vast, vast majority of Christians do not hold such beliefs"

Would that it were true. The vast majority of Christians live in nightmare traditions like Northern Irish (and Scottish to some extent) Presbyterianism, Southern Baptism, and African Anglicanism. And that's before we start on European Catholicism, and the multivarious Orthodox shower.

Like, you only get buried for 3 years in Athens unless you're rich because the church won't allow cremation and the cemetaries are chokka. There has to be something left to resurrect at the last trump. Feeble old God, and sad for the martyrs.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Pete
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 02:47 PM

Creationists are being mocked because they do not believe solid evidence about anything. History may have a list of the majority being wrong, but it has a much longer list of the majority being right. And I havn't a clue why you feel the need to hold creationist beliefs. The vast, vast majority of Christians do not hold such beliefs, and no mainstream cChurch supports them.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Paul Burke
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 02:42 PM

"as usual, creationists are being mocked, but fail to give solid evidence against it."

No, it's up to you to give evidence FOR it.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Peter from seven stars link
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 02:35 PM

As usual we get the argument from authority line. If 95percent of scientists believe it , it has got to be right.?   No, it could be wrong. History has a list of the majority being wrong. How about a reasoned argument that don't consist of consensus must be right.   And as usual, creationists are being mocked, but fail to give solid evidence against it.      And I don't know how Greenland got its name, but I did read that there is evidence of former plant life in its strata. I will try and find the ref if you want to argue about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:58 PM

So, 'Guest from Sanity' you know about chlorophyll and the Little Ice Age, do you? Are you suggesting that 95% of the world's best climate scientists don't? Perhaps you'd better tell them, quick!!

Oh yes, and given that you're so well informed, you must have some VERY impressive qualifications in climate science. Please list them for us - I'm sure we'll be VERY impressed!

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:49 PM

My theory 

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:36 PM

Satan is the father of lies (and a major stockholder in HBO)

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:33 PM

""It was a nightmare. The band had to tour Greenland by bus.""
Fred Schneider

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:30 PM

"Like there's actually a need for Greenland. You can get ice at 7-Eleven." 
― Steve Kluger

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:04 PM

Here, just because your 'comebacks' are illiterate! ...yet 'politically correct'!!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:55 PM

While we're on the subject, 'Guest from Sanity', would you mind telling us what qualifications you've got in climate science, please?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:54 PM

"How did Greenland gets its name?"

That's up there with the congressman who said if English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for Americans."

Point and laugh, and I don't even have to turn the telly on.

Keep it up!

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:52 PM

Jeri: "Guest from 'so-called sanity' falls over a clue and keeps walking.

"The role of chlorophyll in photosynthesis is vital. Chlorophyll, which resides in the chloroplasts of plants, is the green pigment that is necessary in order for plants to convert carbon dioxide and water, using sunlight, into oxygen and glucose.

During photosynthesis, chlorophyll captures the sun's rays and creates sugary carbohydrates or energy, which allows the plant to grow."

Plants and 'global warming'

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:50 PM

" ... or better off, drive your SUV, 1500 miles off the coast of Peru, and drive it down a couple more miles below the surface of the ocean, and try preaching your propaganda driven exaggerations to the, heating of the ocean, and see if you can convince it to stop El Niño."

Do you know, I've read this bit of drivel a few times now - and I'm still not sure what it is supposed to mean?

"It ain't rocket science....unless you have a third grade mentality."

I can't help noticing that certain people (climate change deniers with a "third grade mentality" perhaps?) seem to love the phrase "it ain't rocket science".

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:32 PM

I can't work out whether you're genuinely pig-ignorant or a troll that get's his ya-ya's from being a bit rotten.

Can't it be both?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Stu
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:30 PM

".just how did Greenland get its name, so far north??"

Look it up.


"Carbon dioxide??..a 'greenhouse gas"Plants take IN carbon dioxide, so I guess the plants should be doing REAL WELL!!

Yawn. I can't work out whether you're genuinely pig-ignorant or a troll that get's his ya-ya's from being a bit rotten.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Jeri
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:29 PM

"Carbon dioxide??..a 'greenhouse gas'??? ..Plants take IN carbon dioxide"

Guest from 'so-called sanity' falls over a clue and keeps walking...

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 11:42 AM

Typical 'liberal' tactics...if you can't produce the facts, attack the persons who disagree....or better off, drive your SUV, 1500 miles off the coast of Peru, and drive it down a couple more miles below the surface of the ocean, and try preaching your propaganda driven exaggerations to the, heating of the ocean, and see if you can convince it to stop El Niño.

Carbon dioxide??..a 'greenhouse gas'??? ..Plants take IN carbon dioxide, so I guess the plants should be doing REAL WELL!!...unless all the plants are being killed and used for something else....I know, let's follow Al Gore's lead, charge people (except for himself, and others profiting from it), do nothing, but piss and moan about it, to hide the FACT, that it is just another way to charge more, control more, oppress more...and of course, blame it on some one else.

Yes, the climate is cyclical...just how did Greenland get its name, so far north??

It ain't rocket science....unless you have a third grade mentality.

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 11:13 AM

""A profile, photographically, is perpendicular to the person you know.""
― David Levithan

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Greg F.
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 10:41 AM

We need to find a pirate with an eye patch and hook for Jack Sunset.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 09:03 AM

Only upsides and downsides, Ed? Have you never heard of the sideboob look?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Ed T
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 08:10 AM

More about silicon and boobs:

""Seventy-seven percent of breast implants used in 2014 were silicone and the rest were saline. Both implants have upsides and downsides.""

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:55 AM

Oh well, if Windgust from Insanity endorses his view...

Keep it up. We have a programme over here on The BBC where they show news clips and speeches from such Americans for our entertainment.

Climate deniers, Jesus Freaks, immigrant fearers, gun lobbyists, capital punishment supporters.. The Russel Howard Good News Show gives them all an airing so we can point and laugh.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:46 AM

I think we're at that point already. The difference this time is that the creationists and flat-earthers, whilst not exactly harmless, can be reviled and ridiculed at our leisure. Obstructionist behaviour by climate change deniers with vested interests is urgently dangerous. We can't afford the luxury of sitting around forever arguing with these nutcases and their ignorant camp-followers (of whom we have at least two in this thread). Atmospheric carbon dioxide is now at 0.04% for the first time in human history and is still rising, revealing that whatever steps we have so far taken are woefully inadequate.

With respect, Stanron, I think it would be a good idea if you acquainted yourself with the carbon cycle.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Stu
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 07:14 AM

"This does not happen? And I'm the denier? Look to yourselves."

But what is happening now is not part of those cycles. We are familiar with them from the fossil record (I saw a spectacular sequence of beds in a quarry in Virginia that were the result of the long-term cyclicality of wet/dry periods) and they're well understood.

Although we are still trying to understand the effects of climate change on the planet's systems (for example oceans are massively complex and by nature hard to study) the foundation that underpins current climate and oceanography work is strong and the science robust; it makes no odds to the scientists studying it whether anthropogenic climate change is occurring or not, but they're found it is and have been looking beyond that for a while. My own university has deployed autonomous pelagic drones to collect data from the North Atlantic and these aren't looking for evidence of anthropogenic climate change, they're part of an effort to understand the effect it's having now.

I think we'll find one day that climate denial is a sociological issue similar to creationism or flat-earthers, and people's desire to believe in such causes is exploited in a similar way by the actions of those with a vested interest (in climate change's case the hydrocarbon industry, in creationisms case religious literalists). They don't look at and assess the science, they simply believe and you can't argue with them. More often than not, they know very little of the subject they are discussing. It's ever been thus.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 03:37 AM

I was hoping that you were going to tell us what qualifications you've got in climate science, John otSC. Instead you just keep on repeating the same old mantra which adds NOTHING to the debate.

It adds nothing to the debate because, OF COURSE, reputable climate scientists know about cyclical climate change - do you think that they don't? Do you know how science works? What the scientists' models are telling them is that there is now an additional, very large, man-made component to the cycle resulting from the burning of fossil fuels.

There seems to be a common pattern among sceptics and deniers of all types. They generally seem to know very little about how science works but they seize on one or two variables that they do know about (e.g. "Climate change is real and cyclical") and imagine that these trump every other variable that the REAL scientists are dealing with.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 01:46 AM

Climate change is real and cyclical, and has been for as long back as scientific knowledge can take us. Warmer, cooler, warmer, cooler and will be so until our sun burns out (not in my lifetime, I hope). Waddya know, it ISN'T rocket science.

This does not happen? And I'm the denier? Look to yourselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:54 AM

John on the Sunset Coast is correct, and it is WELL known, in the scientific community...but inconvenient, in the political one.
that's not rocket science, either...but it's hard to argue with delusions.


GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST
Date: 06 Dec 15 - 12:46 AM

Our world is in danger whilst ever redneck lunacy prevails.

If your stance is stupid, just keep repeating it ad nauseum.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: John on the Sunset Coast
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:45 PM

Climate change is real and cyclical, and has been for as long back as scientific knowledge can take us. Warmer, cooler, warmer, cooler and will be so until our sun burns out (not in my lifetime, I hope). Waddya know, it ISN'T rocket science.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Stanron
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:44 PM

Every creature with a lung converts oxygen to carbon dioxide with every breath. Has anyone calculated the weight or volume of carbon dioxide one human exhales in the course of a lifetime?

Could it be a better option to keep the cars and just do away with the drivers?

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 11:20 PM

And leave you talking only to yourself? Perish the thought.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 10:32 PM

Man made??..Gosh, we'd better do something about that now!!...start with throwing away your cars and computers, electric homes, and all the factories...


..or shut up!

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 08:47 PM

Fair enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 08:03 PM

no matter what we do

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 08:02 PM

Well let's ask him then. From what I see, he's saying that what he regards as the cyclical nature of climate change is what nature determines and it will go on forever until the death of the solar system, no matter we do. Unfortunately, and weasel words not intended, as far as I can glean not one of the finest climate scientists on earth agrees with that. Of course, John may know better. So enough from me until he delivers his evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:43 PM

"John o t S C is correct. The difference this time is the man-made component."

I don't see that John is denying anthropogenic [man-made] climate change.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:21 PM

He is not correct. A proper reading of his post reveals that he is denying anthropogenic climate change. In effect he is denying all the science that overwhelms his standpoint. So, asking him what his qualifications are is entirely germane.

Subject: RE: BS: Climate Change ain't rocket science
From: GUEST,#
Date: 05 Dec 15 - 07:15 PM

John o t S C is correct. The difference this time is the man-made component.

Speaking of which, it's great to see you posting, John. I trust things are well with you :-)