BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 11:22 PM

My brother, right back at ya

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:53 PM

I'm with you, Dan. Merry Christmas 'old' friend and please keep on being you. Ain't sayin' you're old y'unnerstan :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 08:18 PM

I like the no more war idea myself

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:26 PM

Hilo, here's a CBC link that may interest you.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/grenier-trump-muslims-canada-us-1.3371395

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:20 PM

A majority of Canadin conservatives think Trump is right on the money! I think not, not at all!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: kendall
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 07:15 PM

Somehow, we MUST stop invading other countries and pissing off the inhabitants. Bush invaded Iraq and Isis is the result.NO MORE wars.Dick Cheney is rich enough.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Dec 15 - 04:41 PM

Aye, Chrimbo.

The story of a middle eastern couple seeking shelter.

Mind you, Trump has never called them vermin. We leave that to Cameron and other war criminals in The UK government who authorise the Murder of UK citizens overseas.

There are times when you stop laughing at stupid foreigners and question stupid home grown terrorists such as our prime minister.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 08:08 PM

Nor, Hi, will you ever run out of smug, smarmy self-superiority. Have a crap Christmas, eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,HiLo
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 06:37 PM

Greg, rest assured, you will never run out of people to have a misunderstanding with!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 06:33 PM

If I neglect to say so before then, please have a great Christmas season. Best wishes to y'all and take good care of yourself lest I run out of people to have misunderstandings with :-)

Right back at ya, Bruce. All the best.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 06:10 PM

It's not just the Trump crowd, Greg. A majority of Canadian Conservatives think Trump is 'right on the money' with his views. Meanwhile, we're working as a country to have 25,000 refugees from the Syrian 'conflict' relocated to here. Knitters are making each of them--all 25,000--touques, organizations both private and governmental are getting housing ready and in general non-Conservatives are busting their buns to ensure the refugee introduction to Canada is warm, welcoming and friendly. In the parlance, we'll get 'er done, but they represent just a drop in what seems to be a bottomless bucket.

Then I read a news story that a $30 billion contract to build Humvees from now until 2036 is in Lockheed's hands (Oshkosh?) and new fighter planes are expected to use laser weapons by 2020. So it looks like the world can expect lots more wars to keep the wheels greased. Makes a guy despair.

If I neglect to say so before then, please have a great Christmas season.

Best wishes to y'all and take good care of yourself lest I run out of people to have misunderstandings with :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 05:37 PM

Don't matter if Agrabah is fictional or not - long as its got them fiendish camel-jockey Muslims in it, bomb the livin' hell outa it & sooner thuh better!! For that matter, way past time we carpet-bombed Dearborn, Michigan.

That, unfortunately, is the level of intelligence we're dealing with in the Republican Party, Bruce.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 02:45 PM

Thanks Greg. I do think a smearing of straight red would be a nice touch.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 02:10 PM

I was in ICU for a number of days some months back due to a serious GI bleed and Jello was pretty much all they'd let me eat for days after the bleeding stopped. I am not quite sure that the colours have any relationship to the flavour names. I spent weeks after I was released mixing various types and have reached the conclusion that it is better than buffalo chips.

Off the Jello topic for a mo: This is enough to make a guy weep.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 02:00 PM

The horror... And you know Ted Cruz eats jello brains

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:49 PM

Try mixing green & red, Jeri- that should do the trick.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Jeri
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:42 PM

I have a Jello mold in the shape of a brain. Just sayin'...have to figure out what flavors make gray.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:34 PM

Oh Bruce you are on my list for butt kicking. Green is the most evil kind.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:06 PM

For people who don't know how to make Jello. Two minute demo.

The lime kind (green) is awesome.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 12:24 PM

Heaven musket you just described it to me :)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 12:21 PM

If you come over here on hols Dan, the good news is there is no jello anywhere in the whole of The UK!

Now that's a thought eh?

Mind you, I'm not sure you'd get on with jelly.. Might look, smell and taste slightly familiar. Although having had plenty both sides of the pond, we tend to make it with a stronger taste in general. The Y chromosome is stronger than the O chromosome.

A bit like cheese but don't get me started.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 12:13 PM

Lol its my nemesis ake, the invention of the devil to torture me. I detest t the evil stuff

Not much biting gilly a few yellow perch that are very tasty, one of the few fish i really like to eat. Happy holidays my friends

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 11:49 AM

What is "jello" and why is it referred to so often on Mudcat?

Puzzled Argyll.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 11:04 AM

Now, don't go bringing up Jello in polite company, Dan. Best of the season to you!

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 11:01 AM

What's biting up there right now,Dan? I haven't been out since before the knee. And a very Jello Christmas to you to.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:48 AM

So many fish, so little time

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: olddude
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:41 AM

Happy holidays to all of my favorite jello tossers Lol

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:14 AM

No problem, Bruce, Thanks. Difficulty is with 16 different "Guests" posting here- two of which are consistently obnoxious jackasses, ya can't tell the players without a program- or even WITH a program. I mistakenly thought I was responding to one of the assholes. My apologies as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 10:02 AM

Thanks for the clarification and for restoring some civility to this thread, #, but some of your posts from yesterday afternoon seem to contradict what you're saying now, hence my response. Perhaps I misread them or their intent.
Also, I appreciate you sharing your perspective on Eugene McCarthy.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 09:35 AM

"The time for pulling out of the Middle East is long past due. Time to step back and let them sort out their long-held animosities on their own and to try and repair relations from a distance."

I agree. That's option one with me as I've stated more than a few times.

As for McCarthy, I don't think old Gene would have got the US in there in the first place. Logistics--without the use of nuclear weapons--militate against long distance wars. They're just too expensive. It's time for countries to use armies as defensive mechanisms and not as international politics by other means. As someone on this thread wisely said, more Americans have been killed by home-grown gun wielders than by Muslims. Lots more. So we're saying the same thing I think. As was recently said by Canada's Minister of National Defence Harjit Singh Sajjan:

'There is a lot of "political talk," Sajjan said. "It's hard for me to talk in that political realm, I know I'm a politician. But I think, Canadians, if you are honest with them, they will understand things. Whether it is giving them bad news or good news, or the situation, we can trust Canadians. They are smart enough … they can call bullshit very quickly." '

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 06:01 AM

#, I agree with the idea of "go big or go home" but I'm on the go home side and have been for a long, long time. I have no confidence that the U.S . military knows how to fight the kind of war that it will take to defeat Daesh. I foresee a quagmire on the order of Viet Nam lasting 8-15 years and the American public losing their stomach for it after just a few. Yep, another "Waist Deep in the Big Muddy".

While there may be a clear objective (kill every ISIS fighter) have you considered how many young people will be destroyed in the kind of fighting it will take when the enemy is embedded amongst the populace and has no interest in those people beyond how they can be used to kill "infidels"? How many other terrorists organizations will morph out of a broken Daesh? How much anti-western sentiment will result from this war? How much domestic terrorism will result from intensified ISIS propaganda and recruitment as a result of that amped up hatred?

The time for pulling out of the Middle East is long past due. Time to step back and let them sort out their long-held animosities on their own and to try and repair relations from a distance. I wonder what Eugene McCarthy would think? (If you perceived the last as a low blow I apologize,#).

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 18 Dec 15 - 04:00 AM

I don't think Greg is the worst guy on earth either.
and # is a gentleman, second to none.

Folks don't have to agree about everything to get along.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 10:13 PM

Greg, I'm sorry and this is my apology to you. I had no right to tell you to eff off.

1) I am not in favour of war.
2) We are in one with Daesh and it's like being waist deep in the big muddy.
3) The situation is such that the only local people who can be trusted to fight Daesh are with the Peshmerga.
4) I am suggesting either get in or get out.
5) Daesh will not be contained or beaten with bombs.
6) I would prefer we get out, but the political climate is such that maybe we can't.
7) So get in, do the job and go home and return there no more.

American published numbers which can be seen at the following link

http://www.ibtimes.com/us-airstrikes-syria-against-isis-may-cost-much-10-billion-1694475

indicate that I'm not alone in thinking that.

I don't mind you or anyone else nailing me on matters of fact or even matters of opinion. The few friendships I have on Mudcat are not determined by friends having to agree with me. They are determined by whether or not we argue in such a way that excludes put-downs or lines like 'wear your tinfoil' or 'how can you be so stupid as to think' and other remarks of that nature. I suppose we're mostly all guilty of that in one way or other, but it's time we all stopped.

Invade my country and I will fight to the best of my ability along with the rest of my geriatric peers to get that invader out or make life so unbearable to stay that the invaders want to get out. Today, in a pragmatic sense, it really doesn't matter who caused or created Daesh. The reality is they exist and arguably they should be destroyed. So far our countries are just helping their recruitment process and I think that's counter productive.

For example, Ake and I disagree on many things. He knows that and so do I. We still get along. You and I disagree on many things. You know that and so do I. Feel free to rip my facts or opinions apart. We'll still be friends. But saying anyone's posts are shit--just because--leads nowhere, and I think we're all better than that or at least should try to be. Keep well and let's all watch our BPs :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 08:26 PM

What the hell are you going on about Bruce? There's no indication that the 17 Dec 15 - 06:53 PM post was yours. What am I, a fucking mind reader?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,#
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:17 PM

Even if I wanted to my government would seize my passport. Now fuck off, Greg.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:06 PM

I`d exterminate Daesh to the last combatant,

So pick up a rifle and go! What's holding you back, General?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 07:02 PM

Syrian decision, NOT a US, UK, Russian or anyone else`s decision. Let`s deal with Daesh decisively then get out and stay out.

(Something effed up on my laptop and I can`t post the NUMBER symbol. Sorry about that.)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:53 PM

A few facts here.

NO airforce has ever won a war. Canada is withdrawing its fighters (only six of them) because our government is aware of that. We will be keeping our army people there to train other mid-East troops to fight their own battles. At present we have about 600 such troops (special ops, communications specialists, etc) in that theater. Bombing has been a failure because it causes non-combatants to suffer unnecessarily. Kill my kids and I become your enemy for life kinda thing. Face facts: bombing is hurting Daesh, but it is also antagonizing the population and increasing the numbers of the main enemy.

I'm a go-or-get-off-the-pot kinda guy. If it was my call, I`d exterminate Daesh to the last combatant, without remorse and without mercy. Use overwhelming force on the ground, search and destroy. Assad is a POS and he is no friend to anyone but himself. That said, the decision to let him remain is a S

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:26 PM

You're out of your depth sonny, subtlety is the key. ;0)

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 06:13 PM

Careful there Aketung, President Gilly will know how to deal with crypto-facist homophobes.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 05:15 PM

I'm sure the people of Damascus will be relieved to hear that Gilly is going to come to their defence should the butchers of ISIS come wandering up their path.

"President Gilly" has certain ring to it.    "Gillyu Akbar?"....naw that's takin' it a bit too far. :0(

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 05:04 PM

Gilly says "When you don't know how to proceed, don't proceed until a path is revealed or at least do so with extreme circumspection which is what Obama has done"

What he means is do nothing, or at best nothing effective, while ISIS continued to expand.
Putin offered a sharing of intelligence and a coalition to contain ISIS, but President Obama (or his masters) knocked it back, saying that President Assad must be removed before any co operation could take place. Putin's response was to say that it was up to the Syrian people to elect their leaders, not the US or other Western interests.

The major issue is the containment of ISIS and co operation is in the interests of us all.

"Blood soaked murderers" very theatrical! Assad was fighting a well armed and well financed(by the US) insurgency, what the fuck did you expect him to do? If he had failed the millions of inhabitants of Damascus would have been butchered without mercy.
When faced by such an insurgency you everything at your disposal to protect your people, not pea shooters!

All western "liberal democracies" would do exactly the same.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,gillymor
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 01:00 PM

Exactly what I was thinking, Greg. The people I defend are PEOPLE and I'm not sure what that paranoid, pontificating fool was defending in that last muddled post of his.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 12:22 PM

the people you defend

????????

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 12:21 PM

Musket: "If Akenaton believed his own words when he said above that he doesn't like domination through oppression and fear, every Muslim, every gay person and everyone else who finds bigotry offensive and repugnant would assume the education he speaks of was bearing fruit.
But it isn't.
He still propagates hatred and then comes all innocent (I have no formal education) when exposed for his odious views."

Shows ya' how stupid this ideology gets.
Hey Musket, if you think that you can go up to an ISIS person, tell him that you're a homosexual, and then tell him you are tolerant and understanding of them, see how long you are still standing with your head on!

GFS

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: akenaton
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 12:13 PM

Gilly dear boy, the path will never be revealed until you see it snaking up to you nice front door.

You people are so mixed up, as they say here "you don't know your arse from your elbow"

I am regularly abused in the strongest terms for opposing homosexual "marriage", while the people you defend would butcher homosexuals out of hand, criminalise and persecute them.

Try to get your thoughts into some kind of order......it must be difficult to be caught on the horns of a dilemma .....of your own making.

Mind you, you must be getting used to it by now.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 09:41 AM

But then history should have taught us - look at Berlusconi

Trump (US lexicon) is pretty much a New World version of Berlusconi combined with LePen with a little Reagan thrown in for good measure.

Give him a farking rifle & tell him "Go for it yourself!!"

The we've got Cruz channelling Gen."Stone Age" LeMay in favor of carpet bombing - apparently he's too young to remember Vietnam and never learned anything aout it.

A hand cart ain't half big enough for all this muck.

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 09:35 AM

If Akenaton believed his own words when he said above that he doesn't like domination through oppression and fear, every Muslim, every gay person and everyone else who finds bigotry offensive and repugnant would assume the education he speaks of was bearing fruit.

But it isn't.

He still propagates hatred and then comes all innocent (I have no formal education) when exposed for his odious views.

Well Alex, your excellent access to free education with equal access to further education with no financial consideration gave you the ability to put words together and form views. It isn't lack of education that you are missing, it's lack of morals.

Mind you, the popularity of Trump over in The USA does give you a peer group to identify with. Pity it has no place where you live then eh?

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 08:50 AM

Should have read: "Every dead IS fighter..."

Subject: RE: BS: Cruz Passes Trump in Polls
From: gillymor
Date: 17 Dec 15 - 08:34 AM

I think the U.S. has got to stop kicking that hornet's nest over there and in that regard Prez Obama has shown admirable restraint. Every IS fighter and every beheaded innocent is just more grist for the IS propaganda mill resulting in more effective online recruitment which is not restricted by geographic boundaries. I'd truly hate to see more young Americans, or anyone anywhere, thrown into that futile mix. I hope to never live in a country that aligns itself with a couple of blood-soaked despots like Putin and Assad. The notion is not just immoral it's effing insane.
When you don't know how to proceed, don't proceed until a path is revealed or at least do so with extreme circumspection which is what Obama has done. We've already seen the tragic results of the sort of cowboy foreign policy implemented by the previous U.S. administration and currently espoused by most of the current crop of GOP candidates.