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Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt

Lighter 10 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM
Jack Campin 10 Jan 16 - 08:57 PM
FreddyHeadey 11 Jan 16 - 05:10 AM
Lighter 11 Jan 16 - 09:39 AM
Jack Campin 11 Jan 16 - 10:30 AM
GUEST,crazy little woman 11 Jan 16 - 12:23 PM
GUEST,M Roach 11 Jan 16 - 02:44 PM
FreddyHeadey 11 Jan 16 - 03:44 PM
Lighter 11 Jan 16 - 04:41 PM
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Subject: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: Lighter
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM

What's the origin/ source/ story behind the "Hebridean Rowing Lilt" played by M and David Roach on their remarkable album "Maggie in the Wood"?

Does it have another title? Did they find it in Kennedy-Fraser perhaps?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: Jack Campin
Date: 10 Jan 16 - 08:57 PM

All I can manage to find is the beginning of the Amazon sample, which seems to be a mutated version of the Arran Boat Song. (The YouTube video is "unavailable").

Is there some good information about these people and their album?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 05:10 AM

" With guitar, bouzouki, bodhran, and concertina they raise a music which is both ancient as mossy stones and new as a spring day...."
CDbaby shop  

"M Chipko Roach and David Roach have been independent artists and musicians for half a century,working in glass, clay and sound from deep in the heartland forest.
I've made a life of music and art since I was a baby, my first home hootenanies with older sisters, and myself on the uke at three...."
etsy shop and biog  

"M and David Roach are a team of collaborating artists and musicians, creating together for the last 35 years a fabric of musical art."
Facebook page  (I sent them a message so maybe they'll get back.)


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 09:39 AM

> a mutated version of the Arran Boat Song

It could be, Jack. It sounded vaguely familiar.

Do I also hear skeletal hints of "Unfortunate Rake/ Banks of the Devon"?


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: Jack Campin
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 10:30 AM

Banks of the Devon is the original for the Arran Boat Song.

Nothing Hebridean about it of course.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: GUEST,crazy little woman
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 12:23 PM

The ABC Notation site has 9 versions of 'The Banks of the Devon'; I played them, and I don't think any of them sounds like 'The Arran Boat Song'.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: GUEST,M Roach
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 02:44 PM

Hi,   The short answer is, I'm sorry, we can't remember yet. We will let you know if we find the source material.
The old brains are sorting through files of memories. We would have learned it from recorded material, though, in the 1980's or early 1990. We both seem to be hearing it played on uillean pipes and fiddle.
In the 80's we lived in a 21 foot sailboat we built, on the Ohio River. We had a radio and picked up Fiona Ritche with Thistle and Shamrock. The little boat drifted in and out of radio reception with the wind. If the wind was down, we recorded some tunes to learn. Those old tapes are sort of a background noise in our brains, may have learned it there. Also may have altered it some between the learning and the playing; between the thinkin and the doin.   Around 1990 we met Tim Britton at Kentucky Music Week. We were set up with our tipi as buckskinners, with our ocarinas and pocket pipes. Tim was playing pipes on the hill behind us. David got up and walked over there in a trance by the sound. May have learned it from Tim. After that pipes crawled into our ears, and ocarinas became a way to access pipe music. I worked on the design of the pocket pipes ocarinas until they would play those tunes, with the right intervals and harmonies. Also highland pipes are generally confined to the same 9-note range, so the tunes need not be altered to fit. We sat for hours and days at festivals playing ocarinas and hunting tunes. Some tunes go in one ear, get stuck awhile, and then come out the whistle. Some of them come out altered.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 03:44 PM

Thanks.


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Subject: RE: Origins: Hebridean Rowing Lilt
From: Lighter
Date: 11 Jan 16 - 04:41 PM

M Roach, thanks so much!

Having listened to both, I'm now pretty sure that your "Hebridean Lilt" is indeed "The Arran Boat Song," which has been recorded a lot.

Though never before on ocarina and pocket pipe! Very nice!

GUEST crazy, the first example of "Devon" sounds most like the "Arran Boat." Which is not to say it sounds much like it. It's modal and "Arran" is pentatonic, for one thing. The kinship lies especially in the time and contour of the tunes. They go up and down in a very similar pattern.

The resemblance of "Devon" to "The Unfortunate Rake," however, is pretty clear.


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