BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 11:26 AM

Yes Greg, and there are those who refer to pro Israel supporters as antisemetic .

For example?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:16 PM

Yup. And Bearded Fred, et. al., claim that they are thus antisemitic.

Yup. And just let anyone make mention of real abuses taking place in countries like Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Gaza, the West Bank, Turkey etc. or, heaven forbid start a thread about it, and Greg is among the first to start screaming Islamophobia, let alone have the thread turn into another Israel bash, often by the second post. He does wear his hypocrisy well, doesn't he.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:24 PM

Jim, we have discussed the massacres by both sides in 1948 many times.
Here I list some massacres of Jews in 1948 in reply to you relating massacres by Jews.
Both sides were guilty of massacres and atrocities. Morris says that the Jews were surprisingly restrained.

Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 05 Jun 14 - 04:19 AM

"Sixty-two Jews were murdered by Arabs in the first week after the UN partition plan was passed, and by May 15, 1948, a total of 1,256 Jews had been killed, most of them civilians. These deaths were caused by Arab militias, gangs, terrorists and army units which attacked every place of Jewish inhabitation in Palestine.
       The attacks succeeded in placing Jerusalem under siege and eventually cutting off its water supply. All Jewish villages in the Negev were attacked, and Jews had to go about the country in convoys. In every major city where Jews and Arabs lived in mixed neighborhoods the Jewish areas came under attack. This was true in Haifa's Hadar Hacarmel as well as Jerusalem's Old City.
       Massacres were not uncommon. THIRTY-NINE Jews were killed by Arab rioters at Haifa's oil refinery on December 30, 1947. On January 16, 1948, 35 Jews were killed trying to reach Gush Etzion. On February 22, 44 Jews were murdered in a bombing on Jerusalem's Rehov Ben-Yehuda. And on February 29, 23 Jews were killed all across Palestine, eight of them at the Hayotzek iron foundry. Thirty-five Jews were murdered during the Mount Scopus convoy massacre on April 13. And 127 Jews were massacred at Kfar Etzion on May 15, 1948, after 30 others had died defending the Etzion Bloc."Frantzman, Seth. Ethnic Cleansing in Palestine?. Jerusalem Post. Aug 16, 2007.

Jim, you never make any reference to Jews being massacred at that time.
You must see how that looks.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:38 PM

I would never deny that both sides committed atrocities in 1948, when 1 in every hundred Jews were killed, an extraordinary catastrophe for them.
(British losses in WW1 were proportionate, but spread over four years of war not just weeks.)

I do not accept that there is unequivocal evidence for any massacres by Israel in recent decades.

You certainly have not produced any Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:42 PM

Hmm. I'd have thought that latent mutual loathing would be regarded as a damn good reason for HAVING an EU. All that common economic and political interest is a sure-fire way of ensuring that hostilities would never again break out, no? It appears to have worked for the last seventy years, not a bad stretch looking at the history. It means that neither my son nor I have ever had to take up arms and for that alone I'm grateful for the EU. And you can't prove me wrong, can you!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:50 PM

Jews were expelled from Arab Lands, too

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:57 PM

Greg is among the first to start screaming Islamophobia

Examples, Bearded Fred?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 12:59 PM

"Jim, we have discussed the massacres by both sides in 1948 many times."
And you have always denied the Israelis carried them out
This current argument was instated by your continuing those claims - you even went as far as to claim that Benny Morris's claims of 27 Israeli massacres were "disputed", and you have since tried to set up a smokescreen around this by quoting Moris wildly, even though you have claimed him to having been "disputed.
Admit you were telling porkies or leave this alone - your reputation for honesty is already in shreds.
"Jim, you never make any reference to Jews being massacred at that time"
I have never at any time pretended that massacres did not take place on both sides - you, on the other hand, have always done so, and you have denied every single one since the very beginning.
I'm not going to enter into a my massacre was bigger than your massacre argument - a massacre is a massacre.
You have to put right your claims about the Six Day War atrocities, or The Sabra Shatila Massacre, and you have now fallen back on the slaughter of "hostages" in defence of the current massacres   
Proper little massacre denier, aren't you?
You now seem to have moved on from ethnic cleansig denial to a face-saving exercie - you really wouldn't have to if you took lessons in truth telling.
Your nose must be longer than those of Pinnochio and Tony Blair combined
Put up or go away
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 01:14 PM

"And you can't prove me wrong, can you! "

.,,.

Nope. And that doesn't prove that you're right, does it?

☺

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 01:24 PM

And you have always denied the Israelis carried them out

I have not.
Not in 1948, just in the last half century or so.

you even went as far as to claim that Benny Morris's claims of 27 Israeli massacres were "disputed",

Everything he has ever said is disputed Jim.

I have never at any time pretended that massacres did not take place on both sides - you, on the other hand, have always done so,

I have not.

Proper little massacre denier, aren't you?

No. I just expect evidence.
When will you produce some?

Put up or go away

I will willingly "put up" but what Jim?
You accuse Israel of massacres and atrocities but can produce no evidence for it.
I "put up" Israel's side of the story, and you have not been able to challenge anything.

You should "put up" or stop making accusations you can not substantiate.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 01:33 PM

No Michael, it doesn't, but I'm not claiming to be certain. The evidence is good though, innit?


Cue demurral from Teribus... :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 02:21 PM

This is Israel:

"According to Palestinian Media Watch, the Palestinian daily Al Hayat Al Jadida reported, "PA Minister of Health, Hani Abdeen visited the Israeli Hadassah Hospital. This is the first visit by a Palestinian minister to one of the most important Israeli hospitals, according to the hospital's announcement. Minister Abdeen who was accompanied by a delegation that included senior officials of the ministry and of the PA, met with the Director of Ein Karem Hadassah Hospital, Yuval Weiss. He [the minister] visited Palestinian patients being treated in the hospital, and he distributed gifts."

Al Hayat Al Jadida continued, "Hospital director Weiss said: 'We relate to patients without regard to nationality and religion. We treat Muslims, Christians, Jews, and other nationalities without bias, and 30% of the patients who are children are Palestinians.' He went on to say: 'We've begun cooperating with the Palestinians. We now train teams of physicians from the hospital in Beit Jala in the southern West Bank, to treat cancer among children. We have about 60 Palestinian medical interns and specialist physicians who will be returning to the Palestinian Authority areas to carry out their work."

Note 35% of all doctors in Israel are Arabs

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 02:28 PM

Damascus, January 31 – At least 45 people were killed and dozens more injured in a suburb of the Syrian capital today, in a triple bombing that was not perpetrated by Israel, and will therefore soon disappear from the international consciousness.

A car bomb exploded in Sayeda Zeinab, and then two suicide bombers detonated themselves as rescue work was occurring, according to witnesses cited by Reuters. The location, which boasts the oldest Shiite shrine in Syria, and the carnage, which so far includes 110 wounded, will soon drop out of the news cycle because no international bodies will call for an investigative commission into allegations of war crimes, as the bombing was not conducted by Israel.

Human rights groups such as Amnesty International quickly condemned the bombing, apparently by the Islamic State, as a violation of the Laws of Armed Conflict and of international humanitarian law, then lost interest as other events such as the existence of Israel grabbed their attention. After a flurry of head-shaking and stern words, the organizations determined that no more could be said or done on the matter, since it was not the Jewish State that had committed the atrocity, and that no further formal steps were necessary.


PreOccupied Territory: The Farce Awakens

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 02:47 PM

and 30% of the patients who are children are Palestinians.?

Are those the Palestinian children who were injured and maimed in the last Israeli bombardment?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 02:59 PM

Palestinian officer attacks Israeli soldiers with weapon

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 03:04 PM

"Not in 1948, just in the last half century or so."
Benny Morris???
This is reminiscent of your "only three points" claim.
In respect of twenty seven massacres - by whom exactly?
"I have not."
Show one occasion where you ever admitted to a massacre other than say "what massacres?" or "no massacres"
"When will you produce some?"
You've gad many - Sabra Shatila, Six Days War, 2015 Gaza - you've denied them all, as you are about to now.
"You accuse Israel of massacres and atrocities but can produce no evidence for it."
There you go again 'no massacres'
Right - that's me done
You are free to continue to make a fool of yourself by continual lying - you really don't need my help - it seems the one thing you are good at.
"This is Israel:"
THIS IS ISRAEL
AND THIS
PARTICULARLY NASTY
AND THIS
WHAT ABOUT THIS?
Plenty more where they came from
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 03:29 PM

"When will you produce some?"
You've gad many - Sabra Shatila, Six Days War, 2015 Gaza - you've denied them all, as you are about to now.

The question was when will you produce some EVIDENCE!!
All you have put up is unsubstantiated claims and accusations.

I do not deny those accusations. Israel does.
I just put their side of the story and you have been unable to challenge a word of it.

"You accuse Israel of massacres and atrocities but can produce no evidence for it."
There you go again 'no massacres'

NO! NOT "NO MASSACRES!" JUST NO EVIDENCE OF ANY SINCE 1948!!!!

Not one of all those links is about massacres by Israel.
Are you admitting defeat on finding any evidence for any massacre since 1948?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 04:35 PM

Are those the Palestinian children who were injured and maimed in the last Israeli bombardment?

Surely you mean those who were put in harm's way by the Hamas terrorists who attacked their neighbours with rockets then hid behind the women and children knowing full well that some would be killed or injured for use as propaganda tools.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 04:55 PM

Surely you mean those who were put in harm's way by the Hamas terrorists

No, I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 05:05 PM

Serious trolling going on here, Greg and Jim. He's annoyed because we've sussed him as a brainless coward, bigot and charlatan. So, we're going to get this shite for a while. Unless the mods adopt this really original idea I've just thought up. Unique monikers for all! No posting unless registered and logged in!

Oops, have I mentioned this before...?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 06:24 PM

Trolling????

The only trolling I see is the constant whining about the rules. Give it a rest for χριστός sake.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 06:57 PM

Not whining. Commenting. This is not my gig nor is it real life. How many times do I have to tell you? And I wish I could match YOUR constant false whining about how you have to stay anonymous, you poor wee thing, so that "we can focus on the post, not the poster." As if your posts contain anything worth reading, troll. You're sussed, mate. You're a fraud, and everyone except a few of your right-wing mates here knows it. As a matter of fact, even they hardly leap to your defence ever, do they? Ever heard Keith, Teribus or akenaton jumping to your defence? Do you know why not? You're a bloody embarrassment to their cause, that's why! They would NEVER do it your way, in spite of their own multifarious deficiencies! Get a life, old bean! :-)

Unique monikers for all! No posting unless registered and logged in!

(Oops, sorry, mods. I think I may have mentioned that before...)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 07:16 PM

χριστός, there's no end to it, is there?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 07:46 PM

Well I will certainly keep on at you, old chap, because I've seen right through your nonsense and your dishonest bleating about anonymity, and I know I'm not the only one. Yours sincerely, Steve Shaw, posting under my real name, uniquely, utterly traceable, registered and logged in, for now and forever. Just as controversial as you, if not more so, and totally fearless as to revealing my identity to the whole world. So who are you? Shall I guess? You're a .....NOBODY! Weeeee!

Oh, by the way, mods, have I ever men...oh, never mind!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 31 Jan 16 - 08:07 PM

Your obsessiveness is making me concerned for your mental health.