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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 15 Jan 16 - 01:17 PM "The Jews have left land they occupied for many centuries in Judea and Samaria What - legend has it the Jews left in 70AD - are you seriously claiming they have held the right to return after nearly two thousand years. The millions of Palestinian refugees have been refused the right to return after The 7 Day War Whether Israel was technically a Colony or Mandated to Britain is immaterial - Britain in charge and was glad to get it off their hands. The idea that the Jews could move back and evict the legal occupants after 2 millenia id utter nonsense - you you people know it. Try telling thee Yanks that they have to vacate the US - or the Australians or New Zealanders that they have nor rights to stay where they are - and that's only after a century or so - utter ****** nonsense. Still talking bollocks down to people shipmate - nothing changes - pompous pratt Jim Carroll. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 16 - 01:41 PM the Jewish population would have regarded as guerilla freedom fighters and the British would call 'terrorists' The Irgun WAS a terrorist organization- full stop. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 04:20 PM What - legend has it the Jews left in 70AD - are you seriously claiming they have held the right to return after nearly two thousand years. Seeing as how your comprehension is lacking I shall repeat what was said earlier: Jews had been living in Judea and Samaria for generations until they were evicted and had their properties seized and retitled by Jordan when it illegally occupied that territory in 1948........Get it? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 15 Jan 16 - 04:25 PM I should also add that they will not ever be able to reclaim their properties under a two state solution as the Palestinian Authority has declared that a Palestinian state will be free of Jews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 15 Jan 16 - 05:22 PM Ah yes: we must all listen to GregF of course; and never forget that |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 16 - 06:20 PM And you, EmGee, are the thing that spews. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:26 AM LoL 2U GreggiMeDuckling The·#1·Incomparable·Kingsize·SpewInducer cccchhhhhhgggggrewwwwwssspppp ❤x≈M≈x❤ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:28 AM ...but eenuff of this deathless po-tree... Back to the thread! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 04:23 AM "Jews had been living in Judea and Samaria for generations " Arabs have been living there for many centuries - both have an equal right to do so - neither have a right to drive the other out. I've yet to hear the Arabs accused of expansionism - they are the victims of it; I've yet to hear of Arabs setting up an Apartheid State - but they will be the victims if it ever succeeds. The Israelis are so proud of their history that they have locked away the writings of their founders; they are so ready to associate with their Arab neighbors that they have created armed checkpoints, built Berlin-type walls to keep them out; they are so ready to encourage their people to be friendly with their Arab neighbours that they have banned a book being used in school;s because it "encourages association": they are so ready to share the land that they have a long-term policy of forcibly driving the Arabs out to replace them with settlers of their own faith.... Both have been there since the year dot - unless they learn to live together, their children, their childrens' children and their childrens' childrens' children...... will continue slaughtering each other. The land is not the property of one faith or national or cultural group - it belongs to all who live there - at the present time, and for a long time past it is the right wing Israeli regimes who have been the aggressors. By the way Mike - I wasn't having a pop at the efforts to set up The State of Israel - to a degree, the 'terrorism' that took place was inevitable and, given the circumstances the post war Jews found themselves in, necessary. As usual, one man's 'terrorist' is another man's freedom fighter and national hero. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:05 AM Arabs have been living there for many centuries - both have an equal right to do so - neither have a right to drive the other out. Arab armies have tried several times to drive the Jews out Jim, starting on day one of Israel. I've yet to hear the Arabs accused of expansionism - they are the victims of it; Israel has not expanded either. It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab states. The millions of Palestinian refugees have been refused the right to return after The 7 Day War The seven day war produced no such exodus of refugees Jim. Egypt's lands have all been returned, but Jordan did not want West Bank back. No refugees though. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM 'Nurse! Nurse! He's out of bed again!' .,,.,. Was this ever funny or clever or had anything to be said for it? Anyone think it still is/does/whevs? How pathetic |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:20 AM "Mike - I wasn't having a pop at the efforts to set up The State of Israel..." .,,. Noted with thanks, Jim. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:24 AM "Israel has not expanded either. " WHAT!!!!!!"! You are mad - go and look at the maps Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:28 AM Tell us what has been added to the state of Israel since it was created Jim. How far have its borders moved? You should look at some maps Jim. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:46 AM MAPS Anybody who can be given a film of settlers actually driving out an Arab family because they fancy their home and claim expansionism isn't taking place must be.... something else!!! Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Teribus Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:56 AM "I've yet to hear of Arabs setting up an Apartheid State" Really Jom?? Perhaps you should look at who can and cannot own property and live in Jordan and take note of the fact that that has been the case since 1923. On demographics take a look at the changes in Gaza, the Lebanon, Syria and Iraq comparing 1948 to the present, then compare it to the demographics related to Israel over the same period. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:19 AM Jim, the only expansion of Israel is the inclusion of Jerusalem. Maybe five square miles? Not much expansion in nearly seventy years! It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab lands. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:35 AM "Maybe five square miles?" You have the maps Keith - all faked, no doubt You have the film of settlers throwing out the occupants - faked no doubt THIS UN REPORT IS OBVIOUSLY FAKED You are insane. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:25 AM " Perhaps you should look at who can and cannot own property and live in Jordan and take note of the fact that that has been the case since 1923." Perhaps you should explain how two wrongs make a right? Israel's record of oppression of the Arabs is beyond denial - the stealing of a#Ara#b land was stated as fact by David Ben Gurion, it has been a way of life from the day Britain steamed off back home, leaving the county in chaos by favouring the Zionists, it is an ongoing fact. "The Sasson Report is an official Israeli government report published on 8 March 2005 that concluded that Israeli state bodies had been discreetly diverting millions of shekels to build West Bank settlements and outposts that were illegal under Israeli law. The report was commissioned by the Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, and was headed by the former head of the State Prosecution Criminal Department Talia Sasson. Talia Sasson would later run for the Israeli elections as part of the left wing party Meretz." SASSON REPORT Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:41 AM "Anti-Israel activists often use doctored maps to show Israel's supposed malfeasance over the past century. Such claims are made by people who, in the best case, have no knowledge of the facts, and in the worst case, have no moral compass." The Mendacious Maps of Palestinian "Loss" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:43 AM "Britain steamed off back home, leaving the county in chaos by favouring the Zionists" .,,. Like most assertions in this thread, this is a matter of perception. It seemed to us at the time that the Brits had carefully ensured that the 6 [count them -- six] Arab armies were well poised to steam in as soon as they steamed out: particularly that of Transjordan, The Arab League, trained by British Glubb Pasha -- "Lieutenant-General Sir John Bagot Glubb, KCB, CMG, DSO, OBE, MC (16 April 1897, Preston, Lancashire – 17 March 1986), known as Glubb Pasha, was a British soldier, scholar and author, who led and trained Transjordan's Arab Legion between 1939 and 1956 as its commanding general" Wikipedia In what way do you see the British as having "favoured the Zionists" at withdrawal, Jim? Honestly just asking! ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:45 AM Jim the UN report you linked to is not about the state of Israel expanding the borders of Israel. The state of Israel has not expanded, except for the inclusion of Jerusalem. It is still a tiny sliver of land amidst the vast Arab lands. Do you withdraw your claim about the seven day war and "millions of Palestinian refugees?" |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 07:53 AM "In what way do you see the British as having "favoured the Zionists" at withdrawal, Jim? " Britain "London" was criticised by those responsible for the day to day administration of Israel for favouring Zionism - it was they who described the "chaos" that was left behind. Will try to dig out the article later. So the maps are all fakes Brucie Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 08:03 AM Have a look at this MAP, it clearly shows what the Arab/Muslim world and Israel haters begrudge a population of 6 million people who have faced persecution for millennia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 08:05 AM Israel in red, Muslim countries in green BTW. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 10:07 AM "'London' was criticised by those responsible for the day to day administration of Israel" .,,. Who do you mean by this, Jim? The Israeli government criticising and denouncing London for favouring itself? If you mean 'Palestine', why put 'Israel'? It's a commonplace that colonial admins, who can only see the local situation, are always at odds with central admin who can get the whole picture. & what the source of this 'article' that's going to settle the question so indisputably? ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 16 Jan 16 - 11:16 AM So the maps are all fakes Brucie The maps do not show an expanded Israel because it has not expanded Jim. Its borders are virtually unchanged since 1948 except for the old city of Jerusalem which had been illegally seized by Jordan from UN control. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 11:35 AM "Jim the UN report you linked to is not about the state of Israel expanding the borders of Israel." The maps you were link to were - how much land land the Palestinisns have lost fro 1948 to 2000 If you are not prepared to respond to them or the link showing Arans bin throw out, or th Sasson report or everything else you have been given I have no intention of wasting my time responding to you. At least your troll mate has the balls to claim "They have been debunked."(without evidence of course) - same hymn-sheet rehearsal time. If you are not prepared to respond to them I have no intention of wasting my time responding to you." - you just pretend they are not there. Your present technique is to simply ignore what has been put up and deny something else instead. "The Israeli government criticising and denouncing London for favouring itself?" As I remember it Mike, the British staff on the ground complained about the pressure from London to favour the Zionists - they claimed this as the cause of the chaos when the British finally left (as I said, to the sound of hand grenades tossd into occupied houses to make room for the incomers. Deir Yassin I've been working all afternoon and haven't been able to lay my hands on the article or find it in the net - will keep looking. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 11:51 AM Some more sruff to ignore - from inside Israel "The population of Jewish settlers in the occupied West Bank has surged during Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's years in office, growing at more than twice the pace of Israel's overall population, according to newly obtained official figures. Settlement growth also was strong beyond Israel's separation barrier, seen by many as the basis for a border between Israel and a future Palestinian state. The figures reflect Netanyahu's continued support for settlement construction, even while repeatedly stating his commitment to the eventual establishment of an independent Palestinian state as part of a future peace agreement. They also could be a topic of discussion as U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry meets with Netanyahu and European officials this week over a promised UN Security Council proposal dealing with the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. While Israeli leaders of all political persuasions have built settlements for decades, the U.S. and western allies have dwindling patience for their construction. From the beginning of 2009 until the beginning of 2014 — Netanyahu returned to office in March 2009 — the Jewish settler population in the West Bank grew 23 percent, to 355,993 people. In comparison, the overall population has grown 9.6 percent to just over 8 million in that time. Figures for 2014 are not expected before late next year. The rate of settler population growth slowed slightly under Netanyahu, from 31 percent during the previous five years under his predecessors Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert. Olmert especially took relatively little heat for the settlements because he was seen as a moderate. In all, the settler population has more than doubled in the 21 years since Israel and the Palestinians have been engaged in an on-and-off peace process aimed at a partition of the Holy Land. Israel captured the West Bank in the 1967 Mideast war, and prime ministers of all political affiliations have allowed and sometimes encouraged settlement of the territory. The Palestinians claim the West Bank, east Jerusalem and the Gaza Strip for their future state. They say all Israeli construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem is illegal — a position with wide international support. Israel withdrew all its troops and settlers from Gaza in 2005. In a situation that challenges Israel's claims to being a democracy, the more than 2 million Palestinians in the West Bank cannot vote for the Israeli government that controls much of their lives, while Jewish settlers can. Netanyahu repeatedly has drawn U.S. ire with controversial construction plans. Defense Minister Moshe Yaalon suggested last week that the government would have liked to do more if not for the U.S. pressure. "We are very, very careful not to push the envelope too much," Yaalon said. "This (U.S.) administration won't be around forever and I hope it is temporary." Even so, he boasted that settlements are growing faster than "any other part of the country." Haaretz And more More still And again Plenty more where they came from - so ignore away Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:12 PM Thanks, Jim. Yes, as I interpreted, you meant 'Palestine', where this "British staff" was based", not 'Israel, which did not then yet exist; which was confusing. As is your use of "Zionists", by which you seem to mean the Jews then settled in [then] Palestine; whereas Zionism was actually a world-wide political movement working for the establishment of a Jewish State in [then] Palestine. It is arguable that "Zionism"'s ends were achieved, and so it ceased to exist in any viable sense, with the proclamation of Israel in 1948; and the word has now degenerated into one of those quasi-racist terms of implied semi-abuse, best avoided IMO. I know that is by no means any of your motivation in using it; but believe it does leave your implications open to misunderstanding. ≈M≈ |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:49 PM MGM Lion, You should be commended, for your 'politeness'! GfS |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:53 PM "As is your use of "Zionists", by which you seem to mean the Jews then settled in [then] Palestine; " No I mean (or I assume the article meant) extreme Zionism. I knew Jewish families in Manchester who were far from Zionist in their outlook - Jews yes, but of all political and religious shades - some even communists based on their experiences at the hands of the right (my father once said that there would never have been a Communist Party if it hadn't been for lapsed Catholics and disillusioned Jews). It was in that period I saw the shift from unquestioning support of Israel to an opposition to what was happening there. One of the most memorable people I ever met was Les Parrington, who ran a bookshop in Liverpool. He had moved Germany to Israel, gone on to South Africa, from where he was expelled for his political activities, and ended up running a left-wing bookshop at the top of Mount Pleasant - a lovely, gentle man who taught me much about humanity - probably long dead. Many of my father fellow-prisoners in Spain where Jewish - I was privileged to meet some of them at his funeral where they tuned up in droves. I am aware of the part Zionism played in setting up the state, just as I am aware how it has become a weapon of oppression now - no different from any religious body who has abandoned its ideals.. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 01:35 PM New antisemitism is the concept that a new form of antisemitism has developed in the late 20th and early 21st centuries, emanating simultaneously from the far-left, radical Islam, and the far-right, and tending to manifest itself as opposition to Zionism and the State of Israel. The concept generally posits that much of what purports to be criticism of Israel by various individuals and world bodies, is, in fact, tantamount to demonization, and that, together with an alleged international resurgence of attacks on Jews and Jewish symbols, and an increased acceptance of antisemitic beliefs in public discourse, such demonization represents an evolution in the appearance of antisemitic beliefs. The Deep Roots of Anti-Semitism in European Society Manfred Gerstenfeld |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:25 PM "Manfred Gerstenfeld" Answering the points put up with accusations of Antisemitic is Antisemitic - however "Manfred Gerstenfeld" "He was an editor of The Jewish Political Studies Review, co-publisher of the Jerusalem Letter/Viewpoints, Post-Holocaust and Anti-Semitism and Changing Jewish Communities" He is part of: "The Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs (JCPA) is an Israeli research institute and public policy think tank devoted to research and analysis of critical issues facing the Middle East. The center is located in Jerusalem.[4] Its research focuses on public diplomacy, foreign policy, international law, paradigms for regional diplomacy, and the connections between local and global terrorism.[4] Dr. Dore Gold, Israel's former ambassador to the UN and former foreign policy adviser to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, headed the Jerusalem Center from 2000[5] to 2015, when he took a leave of absence to become director-general of the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.[6]" What other opinion (that is what this is) is he going to give Please atop hiding behind the Jewish people to defend atrocities - show they are not atrocities. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:40 PM "The second indicator of the new anti-Semitism is the indictment of Israel and the Jewish people as the embodiment of all evil, including racism, imperialism, colonialism, ethnic cleansing, apartheid and even Nazism." Irwin Cotler |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:52 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:54 PM Stifling dissent with "antisemitism" - a Jewish view Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: MGM·Lion Date: 16 Jan 16 - 03:03 PM The argument is getting a bit viscous & dense & and hard to follow; but it seems time yet again to cite "the 2005 definition of antisemitism by the EUMC {The European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia}, regarding the practice of disguised antisemitism masquerading as legitimate criticism of Israel" I repeat that I don't think anyone is setting out to do such a thing here; but I think this definition should always be at the back of the mind in engaging with such topics as that of this thread. ≈M≈ If I had a religion [which thank the lord I've not, sir!], there are two things I should puzzle my head interminably over: 1 {In general: not partic related to this thread} Why God, or Who-evs, couldn't design us a bit more efficiently, to be able to avoid tedious and inconvenient incessant necessity of having to take time out to piss & shit (& make us so prone to be super-embarrassed by so natural an activity at that!); & 2 {arising from this thread} Why the hell he had to manufacture such a plethora of different races & ethnicities, and give each of them a built-in mindset inclined to hate & despise all the others. He really isn't a deity that I can understand how anyone whatever could love when they look around them -- & I'm not saying that to distress anyone. Just how I see things... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 03:05 PM Same source European defininion of Antisemitism Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 03:08 PM Missed the relevant bit "Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel. In utilizing the EUMC definition, it bears emphasizing that at UK Media Watch we support open and honest debate about the Israel/Palestinian conflict including harsh criticism of Israel as long as the criticism of Israel is similar to that leveled against any other nation of the world." Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 03:32 PM Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation. Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,Lubavitch Date: 16 Jan 16 - 04:29 PM Stay alive, get a .45 (and move to Scottsdale) {click} |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 16 Jan 16 - 04:56 PM " Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis." Selective eh what - take the bits of the definition that suit you, reject the bits that don't Why am I not surprised? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 04:57 PM The future is looking bright: "13,000 teens complete Hamas training camps to emulate 'suicide martyrs'" TOI |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 16 Jan 16 - 09:19 PM If anyone is interested in learning how Fatah terrorists operate in the West Bank, how the small Jewish community in Hebron lives and how the world's press perpetuates the false Palestinian narrative read this account by Daniel Borg, it may open your eyes and your mind. Daniel Borg is a Swede who was actively engaged in Swedish politics, passionately pro-Palestinian and went to join the International Solidarity Movement (ISM). His observations from within the ISM are explosive. Confessions Of A Pro-Palestinian Activist In Hebron 2007 |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Jim Carroll Date: 17 Jan 16 - 03:33 AM "If anyone is interested in learning how Fatah terrorists operate in the West Bank" Probably about as interested a you are of the massacres of the Arab people by the Israeli regime. You refuse to respond to those, you deny the Arabs the right to continue to live where they have lived for nearly two thousand years, and you are surprised when the Palestinian people hit back. The most despicable aspect to your arguments is you hide behind the Jewish people to defend these crimes - you make them "Jewish" rather than what they are - the crimes of an extremist, right-wing Israeli regime seeking to ethnically cleanse the area in the name of the Jewish people. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves - all of you, without exception. Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,R Sole Date: 17 Jan 16 - 03:36 AM You see, what makes many people turn off is this obscene insistence that to oppose the awful abuses of human rights by the Israeli government and military is somehow anti Semitic. Hiding behind the cover of European guilt of generations now dead themselves does more to turn people off to any legitimate cause than any other. The same people are quick to point out that Arabs and Christians are full members of Israeli society with a vote. But when the rotten corrupt government is criticised, the same people play the holocaust card. That is sickening. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 17 Jan 16 - 04:14 AM massacres of the Arab people by the Israeli regime. What massacres? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST Date: 17 Jan 16 - 05:01 AM "What massacres?" Oh dear Keith - none so deaf "That is sickening." A bit more than that - it is an insult to the memory of those who died in the extermination camps. The families of survivors that I knew all lived my the creed, "never again, to anybody", yet it's happening all over - this time, in the name of the Jewish people, if those here are to be believed - do we really have to take their word for it? Jim Carroll |
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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel) From: GUEST,R Sole Date: 17 Jan 16 - 06:15 AM A rather quick google search citing Mudcat, this subject and some of the contributors sees Keith A of Hertford being taken to task for referring to Palestinian hospitals and schools as legitimate targets when Israeli militants carried out their bombing campaign. I doubt therefore he is capable of knowing what massacres are. |
