BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:06 AM

elsewhere David ben Gurion made it quite clear that he was aware the Israelis had "stolen Arab" lands

Not true. More faked quotes jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:03 AM

"particularly telling symbolic instance of exploitation and victimisation"
I fully accept that Mike and agree with your sentiments absolutely, but at the same time you have continually castigated me, even to the length of describing me as "Antisemitic", for going beyond symbolism and criticising the realities of the situation
Symbols are fine, but sometimes a little superfluous when you are faced with the real thing.
I'm happy that you stick with your symbolism as long as you leave me to state my opinions as I see fit.
"Of course "Palestine" was mentioned "
Wasn't "mentioned" - it was fairly common
You seldom make anything "clear" when to shroud everything in belligerent bullying and hectoring
"Arafat invented it in the early 1970s in order to make money "
No he did not" - he used it ahs a rallying descriotion for a people under attack
Jeez - you really are happy to use Zionist propaganda do denigrate the vicitms of Israeli terrorism.
EVEN-HANDED SUMMING UP HERE
I do wish you'd take your squalidity elsewhere
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:47 AM

"- I find hypocritical the fact that it is the only actual criticism of Israeli behaviour you have been prepared to make, to my recollection."
.,,.,.
Ah; maybe I begin to see daylight. As suggested in my last post, and as I thought I should have made clear, I cited is as a particularly telling symbolic instance of exploitation and victimisation on Israel's part. I never suggested it was the only, or the worst, example that could be found; simply that its very pettiness was a sort of microcosm of a much greater & more culpable and reprehensible tendency to exploit & victimise. I still regard those groves, their owners' only means of maintenance, as symbolically important in the whole lamentable and discreditable debacle. OTOH, to hear you tell it, those bloody olive groves didn't even matter. I don't think their deprived & starved out owners & cultivators would have agreed with you.

Geddit now?

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:46 AM

Of course "Palestine" was mentioned prior to the misfortune of Arafat copying his Uncle in using the Arabs from that REGION as a means of amassing a personal fortune and aggrandising himself.

Palestine refers to a geographic area comprising a collection of districts of what was the former Ottoman Empire.

Here Raggy is a map of the Ottoman Empire around 1900 - you will find no place on it called "Palestine":

Ottoman Empire 1900

Palestine has never existed as a country, Arafat invented it in the early 1970s in order to make money - this he did very successfully as his bank balance clearly shows - but Arafat's "Palestinians" never saw any benefit of it because it was in the best interests of the "Palestinians Leaders" to keep their people poor, impoverished and bereft of any hope, as in that condition they can be wound up and played like a cheap clockwork toy and as biddable as a well trained dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:45 AM

"The degree and scale of their self-serving corruption is staggering and blatantly evident to all."
No more than corruption elsewhere - including Britain, which left millions homeless and unemployed - (and Israel, of course) that's politics for you
Your relying on Palestinian corruption to denigrate Palestinians totally ignores the fact that it is an integral part of modern acquisitive society everywhere - not exclusive to Middle Eatern politicians and no less reprehensible.
(An invention of Yasser Arafat's)
Utter crap
"Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I"
It came into full use when their right to their homeland was challenged by the Israelis - around the time the "State of Israel" was "invented"
"It was not the Israelis who bundled people on their own land and shut them up in camps and called them "refugees""
It was the Israelis who drove over five million Palestinians into exile and has persistently refused to allow them to return.
Refugees are the product of a war brought about by constant land seizure by the Israelis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:28 AM

I think you will find Terriblossom that Palestine is mentioned in the bible, to say nothing of the Roman general Titus in AD70 or of the Anglo/French involvement post first world war. All year or two before Arafats time, whatever you may think of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:13 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 25 Jan 16 - 01:28 PM

My point Raggy is that those who call themselves "Palestinians" (An invention of Yasser Arafat's) have been appallingly let down by their own allies and by their own leaders since 1948.

The degree and scale of their self-serving corruption is staggering and blatantly evident to all.

The sources illustrating this with regard to Yasser Arafat number in the hundreds if not thousands - I merely selected three of them - so much for having to resort to anybody.

It was not the Israelis who bundled people on their own land and shut them up in camps and called them "refugees" that was done by the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and then that status was maintained by the Palestinian leaders - Refugees you see Raggy are very useful political pawns and the poorer their lot and the more hopeless you make their circumstances the better fund raisers they are - The ARAB "LEADERS" have deliberately fostered these circumstances and conditions since 1948 - all down to them - they could have peace tomorrow IF they wanted it - unfortunately THEY DON'T so the beat goes gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 05:32 AM

Ok, I admit ignorance here, were these knife attacks in Israel proper (i.e. pre-1967) or in the occupied West Bank?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

It is a quote I lifted direct - it matters little that iyt is "misquoted" - elsewhere David ben Gurion made it quite clear that he was aware the Israelis had "stolen Arab" lands - nobody other than you has ever denied that he said what he did.
Settlers are far more thin "immigrants" - they are sanctioned land thieves.
Now there's a misleading claim, if you like
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:56 AM

Jim, your faked quotes are very dishonest.
If you had a case you would not have to lie.

Example,
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985."

What he really said,

"We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:50 AM

there is a difference between an immigrant, even an illegal one, and an occupier.

The knife intifada victims are mostly just immigrants. Settlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:42 AM

"I remain much exercised, Jim, as to what you regard as 'hypocritical' in my denunciation of Israeli settlers for having destroyed the olive groves "
I most certainly do not disagree with you Mike - I find hypocritical the fact that it is the only actual criticism of Israeli behaviour you have been prepared to make, to my recollection.
Sabra/Shatila, The Israeli/Berlin Wall, the spread of settlements, the massacres and devastation of 2014, the introduction of Israeli Apartheid..... and the rest, "is silence" as The Bard said.
silence is support in another form, as far as I'm concerned.
Your being ashamed for me is fully reciprocated.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:33 AM

Keith, there is a difference between an immigrant, even an illegal one, and an occupier. Thats not to justify violence in any way, but Greg's point as quoted by you is a fair one.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:25 AM


Yo, Guest: these incidents are taking place in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES where Israel has no place establishing illegal settlements in the first instance,

So Greg, if you consider that an immigrant's status is illegal, it is OK to hack them to death.

Or only if they are Jews?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:18 AM

Yes, well -- maybe Ben Gurion & Meir not all that fair-minded at that; but compared to the absolutely stinking Begin & his Likud successors...

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:13 AM

I remain much exercised, Jim, as to what you regard as 'hypocritical' in my denunciation of Israeli settlers for having destroyed the olive groves on which the Arab farmers relied for their livings. It still seems to me a most potent symbol and instance of a disgracefully insouciant Israeli attitude to their neighbours. Justify this 'hypocrisy' allegation, or apologise, please. I think you are behaving like an absolute shit in this particular, and am ashamed for you!


Sincerely!

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:07 AM

Indeed, holding up Golda Meir as some kind of enlightened advocate for reconciliation is bizarre to say the least. The Le Monde quote highlights the major problem, both sides here invoke God as a justification for the extreme positions they hold. I don't see a solution to this unless they each recognise the validity of the position of the other, and leave religion out of it. Horrible problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 03:38 AM

" Ben Gurion" - moderately progressive - hmmm - he was honest enough to admit that the aim of Israel was to steal Arab land, but that didn't stop him leading a country who actually carried it out.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
or
""We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985."

Golda Meir
""There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"do us a favour, Jim, & spare us your fucking "lip·service" pigshit just for once"

Will do Mike - if you spare us your "olive trees" hypocrisy.

A full discussion of actually what has happened and is still happening would clear the bad air that exists between us no end.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:42 AM

Sorry -- I got confused there [it's v early in the morning: 0535 here]. -- Likud was indeed Begin's party, & has governed Israel on & off for years now, alternately with Labor, & always with strong coalition presence.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:31 AM

"Extremist right wingers" ...

It is indeed, it must be admitted the persistence of the Israelis over the past many years to replace the original moderately progressively governments of such as Ben Gurion and Golda Meir with the aggressiveness and expansionism of "Revisionist" parties led by the likes of Menahem Begin --
not that Likud is that way inclined so much, but the electoral system makes it unavoidable to concede much to these parties in order to produce any sort of viable coalition --
that has left so many of us, like Einstein & me (probably our only point of comparison!) so disappointed with what Israel has become.

& do us a favour, Jim, & spare us your fucking "lip·service" pigshit just for once! – and you know how often I indulge in that sort of locution on this forum.

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:53 PM

"Right, so just because one person holds to a certain opinion then it must be accepted as a reality."
Not "one person" a widely held opinion - including by many Israelis.
Some of the greatest criticism of Israeli policy comes from Jews - inside and outside Israel.
This includes former heads of Mossad and goes back as far as Albert Einstein.
You can put up as many examples you like of Palestinians reacting (often badly) to Israeli Terrorism - but it doesn't alter tha fact that Israel is in the hand of Extremist right wingers who are committing human rights abuses and war crimes in the name of the Jewish people.
By describing criticism of the Israeli regime as "Antisemitism" you are painting targets on the backs of every Jew on the planet.
The rise of Antisemitism in the world today is as much the fault of people like you as it is the growing number of fascist who are feeding off the actions of Israeli regime.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

It's justification and it's disgusting!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:50 PM

PS: its not an justification, its an explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:33 PM

The stabbings of civilians including pregnant women and babies are being done in Israel, Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. Your attempt to justify them makes you one sick fuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:21 PM

Yo, Guest: these incidents are taking place in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES where Israel has no place establishing illegal settlements in the first instance, and which are under de facto military occupation. The indigenous population might just take exception.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:00 PM

WATCH: Israeli man fights off Palestinian stabbers with a supermarket cart.

Children and women were in the store, so 'I knew I had to stop the terrorists,' says Mordechai Shalem. 'I saw their knives raised, and the hatred in their eyes'

Our thoughts and prayers go out to the two women who were badly injured in the stabbing attack tonight. We applaud Mr. Shalem for his quick thinking and bravery!

Terrorism, Again (Israel).......indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 03:12 PM

Right, so just because one person holds to a certain opinion then it must be accepted as a reality. There are some who maintain that the UK is becoming an Islamic country - does that make it so?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:47 PM

ISRAELI THEOCRACY
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:42 PM

A few years ago Israel launched a propaganda campaign to get Palestinian aid stopped UNITED WITH ISRAEL
This is not to say there isn't corruption in Palestine as there is anywhere ISRAEL AMONG THE MOST CORRUPT
BRITAIN IS NOT MUCH BETTER but that is no reason why aid should not be given.
Israel (with its record of corruption) is specifically targeting the Palestinian people, after having virtually destroyed Gaza with acts of terror and massacres - near genocide and ethnic cleansing
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:36 PM

So Isral IS a theocracy, then?

Emm....no!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 02:34 PM

Are Jews a Nation or a Religion?

So Isral IS a theocracy, then?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:41 PM

So it ISN'T a "Jewish State", then.

Are Jews a Nation or a Religion?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:29 PM

"Rather than use donor funds for their intended purposes, Arafat regularly diverted money to his own accounts"
Your link leads to an untraceable blog from "Joshuapundit.com"
The only other place on which this claim is made is "Target of Opportunity " - an extremist American site whose mission statement is:
"This website is devoted to fighting Terrorism and the forced integration of Marxist oriented ideals and values into the American mainstream. By exposing the violent actions and the violent speech (and it is very violent, just keep reading) of these so-called "Non-Violent"and "Peaceful" groups, the truth is revealed for all to see. Their brand of Radical Marxist Liberalism poses a serious threat to the American public. They are among us and this website exposes them for who they are and what they are based on THEIR actions and THEIR agendas."
An openly Fascist site.
You did better when you weren't linking your quotes.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 01:28 PM

Sorry Teribus, if you have to resort to JoshuaPundit to back up your argument you are REALLY scraping the barrel.

I have no illusions that many people in a position of power abuse that self same power.

The same would also apply to British, French, German, Greek, Italian, American or even Israeli politicians.

Sadly that is, for the most part, human nature.

I know it is not right but Arafat and the rest are merely following a pattern that has been laid down for centuries.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:42 AM

Arafat's Billions


Arafat diverting aid to his own accounts

From the above:
"Rather than use donor funds for their intended purposes, Arafat regularly diverted money to his own accounts. It is amazing that some U.S. officials still see the Palestinian Authority as a partner even after U.S. congressional records revealed authenticated PLO papers signed by Arafat in which he instructed his staff to divert donors' money to projects benefiting himself, his family, and his associates."

"Arafat's men flagrantly displayed corruption. Arriving penniless in Gaza and the West Bank from exile in Tunisia, many PLO members amassed wealth, built villas in Gaza, Ramallah, Amman, and other places, and sent their children to the best schools in the United Kingdom and the United States. Hisham Makki, former head of the Palestine Broadcasting Services, assassinated in January 2001, earned a monthly salary of $1,500 but became a millionaire within a few years. Immediately after his assassination, Arafat froze Makki's personal bank accounts, estimated at $17 million. Makki was alleged to have taken bribes and sold government-owned equipment. However, it was rumored that he had a dispute with another PA official over the sharing of profits gained on illegal business transactions. His assailants, believed to be members of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs' Brigades, a shady group affiliated with Fatah, have never been caught."

http://joshuapundit.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/no-honor-among-thieves-fatah-accuses.html

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:27 AM

Don't encourage him Raggy, he lies anyway so of course he can put figures.

Meanwhile, Terribulus can slur all Arabs but point his crime out (incitement to hatred, with falsehoods) and the Donald Trump wannabes at Mudcat delete your post whilst keeping his sick crap.

Fucking magic..

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:17 AM

Care to put any figures to your accusation Terribus.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:15 AM

So it ISN'T a "Jewish State", then.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:14 AM

"The aid given the Palestine has been for building infrastructure, medical aid, budget support and the like."

Then care to tell me Raggy why the vast bulk of it has been purloined by Palestinian "LEADERS" and spent on weapons, what concrete, cement and re-bar that has been bought and imported has gone to build tunnels for smuggling, tunnels through which attacks are mounted on Israeli citizens and to build shelters for senior Hamas "officials".

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 11:02 AM

So Israel is a theocracy after all, Guest?

Is the US a theocracy?

I think you are confused as to the meaning of the term, remember Google is your friend.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 10:21 AM

So Israel is a theocracy after all, Guest?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 10:19 AM

What on earth does "This image " have to do with Israeli terrorism
Care to tell us how many of those countries benefit from a US veto keeping them out of the International War Crimes court?
No verification of accusation that those murdered by Israelis were all "terrorists"
Ah well, I can wait, but I am getting older daily
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:58 AM

BTW, Muslim countries receive much more financial aid from the US than does Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:48 AM

This image may give you a clue as to why Israel receives US aid. The "greens" are, for the majority, sworn enemies of Israel.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:39 AM

More uncorroborated halve truths - massacres, persecution and expansionism have been a way of life since the establishment of the State of Israel - it is somewhat unrealistic that there should not have been a backlash over that period
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:30 AM

The aid given the Palestine has been for building infrastructure, medical aid, budget support and the like. Not so the 3 billion that Israel was given in 2013 alone for MILITARY use.

MILITARY Terribums, not humanitarian. Surely even you can see the difference.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:22 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 25 Jan 16 - 08:45 AM

Nice attempt at deflection Raggy, but seeing as you wish to portray yourself as being as thick as pigshit then I will ask you again:

"The Palestinians have been given more international aid than that received by the whole of Europe combined in the aftermath of the Second World War - what have they done with it?? - S.F.A. [Apart from making Yasser Arafat and other Palestinian "leaders" into multimillionaires - nice work if you can get it eh Raggy]

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 09:15 AM

""Would that be the same Israel that the pan-Arabic nations swore to wipe out, to exterminate, to drive all the Jews into the sea"
You've said this before Terrytoon and I asked when did two wrongs make a right - didn't get a reply then, don't expect one now"

A reply Jom!!! You want a reply??? You won't like it but here it is:

Everyone IF ATTACKED has the inalienable right to defend themselves.

- In 1921 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1929 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1936 the Arabs attacked the Jews and the Jews defended themselves
- In 1948 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1956 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1967 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1973 the Arabs attacked the Israelis and the Israelis defended themselves
- In 1978 the PLO launched attacks on Israel from Lebanon the Israelis defended themselves
- 1987 the First Intifada the Palestinians attack the Israelis and Israel defends itself
- 2000 the Second Intifada

And so on and so on.

In Viking times even a slave was permitted to carry a knife as a means of protecting him/herself if attacked.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:45 AM

In considering my dads bigger than your dad arguments Terribums think of the following:

Palestine's GDP is approx 4 Billion.

America alone gave approx 3 billion of Military Aid to Israel in 2013.

That 3 billion represents about 20% of all US aid donations.

Equally, or not as the case actually is, Palestine receive no military aid from America.

So Palestine has approx 4 Billion per annum to run an entire country, schools, hospital, infrastructure etcetera etcetera and Israel get 3 Billion in military aid alone from America.

You do the math, it's not difficult.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:43 AM

"Quote from you Terribums "just let them get on with it and solve it by force of arms"

That seems to be your answer to everything. Violence."

Ehmmm NO Raggy. I know you have trouble with English but the whole gist of my post was that since 1921 VIOLENCE has been the Arabs answer to everything. The track record shows that every time the Arabs of the region under discussion and their Arab neighbours have been given a choice between peace and war they have chosen war - so yes let them slog it out to the finish - it has always been their choice - nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Every time they have ganged up and tried to implement their little scheme to destroy Israel and annihilate the inhabitants of the state of Israel they have come off the worse for it. Every time they have sued for peace they have reneged on every promise they have agreed to. The so-called "leaders" have failed their people for nearly seven decades now, they have received more in international aid than was given to the whole of Europe in the aftermath of the Second World War - and what have they done with it??? S.F.A.