BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:21 PM

Yo, Guest: these incidents are taking place in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES where Israel has no place establishing illegal settlements in the first instance, and which are under de facto military occupation. The indigenous population might just take exception.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:33 PM

The stabbings of civilians including pregnant women and babies are being done in Israel, Jerusalem and Judea and Samaria. Your attempt to justify them makes you one sick fuck.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 05:50 PM

PS: its not an justification, its an explanation.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 06:19 PM

It's justification and it's disgusting!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:53 PM

"Right, so just because one person holds to a certain opinion then it must be accepted as a reality."
Not "one person" a widely held opinion - including by many Israelis.
Some of the greatest criticism of Israeli policy comes from Jews - inside and outside Israel.
This includes former heads of Mossad and goes back as far as Albert Einstein.
You can put up as many examples you like of Palestinians reacting (often badly) to Israeli Terrorism - but it doesn't alter tha fact that Israel is in the hand of Extremist right wingers who are committing human rights abuses and war crimes in the name of the Jewish people.
By describing criticism of the Israeli regime as "Antisemitism" you are painting targets on the backs of every Jew on the planet.
The rise of Antisemitism in the world today is as much the fault of people like you as it is the growing number of fascist who are feeding off the actions of Israeli regime.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:31 AM

"Extremist right wingers" ...

It is indeed, it must be admitted the persistence of the Israelis over the past many years to replace the original moderately progressively governments of such as Ben Gurion and Golda Meir with the aggressiveness and expansionism of "Revisionist" parties led by the likes of Menahem Begin --
not that Likud is that way inclined so much, but the electoral system makes it unavoidable to concede much to these parties in order to produce any sort of viable coalition --
that has left so many of us, like Einstein & me (probably our only point of comparison!) so disappointed with what Israel has become.

& do us a favour, Jim, & spare us your fucking "lip·service" pigshit just for once! – and you know how often I indulge in that sort of locution on this forum.

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 12:42 AM

Sorry -- I got confused there [it's v early in the morning: 0535 here]. -- Likud was indeed Begin's party, & has governed Israel on & off for years now, alternately with Labor, & always with strong coalition presence.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 03:38 AM

" Ben Gurion" - moderately progressive - hmmm - he was honest enough to admit that the aim of Israel was to steal Arab land, but that didn't stop him leading a country who actually carried it out.
"If I were an Arab leader, I would never sign an agreement with Israel. It is normal; we have taken their country. It is true God promised it to us, but how could that interest them? Our God is not theirs. There has been Anti - Semitism, the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault ? They see but one thing: we have come and we have stolen their country. Why would they accept that?"
or
""We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985."

Golda Meir
""There is no such thing as a Palestinian people... It is not as if we came and threw them out and took their country. They didn't exist."
-- Golda Meir, statement to The Sunday Times, 15 June, 1969.

"Any one who speaks in favor of bringing the Arab refugees back must also say how he expects to take the responsibility for it, if he is interested in the state of Israel. It is better that things are stated clearly and plainly: We shall not let this happen."
-- Golda Meir, 1961, in a speech to the Knesset, reported in Ner, October 1961

"This country exists as the fulfillment of a promise made by God Himself. It would be ridiculous to ask it to account for its legitimacy."
-- Golda Meir, Le Monde, 15 October 1971

"do us a favour, Jim, & spare us your fucking "lip·service" pigshit just for once"

Will do Mike - if you spare us your "olive trees" hypocrisy.

A full discussion of actually what has happened and is still happening would clear the bad air that exists between us no end.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:07 AM

Indeed, holding up Golda Meir as some kind of enlightened advocate for reconciliation is bizarre to say the least. The Le Monde quote highlights the major problem, both sides here invoke God as a justification for the extreme positions they hold. I don't see a solution to this unless they each recognise the validity of the position of the other, and leave religion out of it. Horrible problem.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:13 AM

I remain much exercised, Jim, as to what you regard as 'hypocritical' in my denunciation of Israeli settlers for having destroyed the olive groves on which the Arab farmers relied for their livings. It still seems to me a most potent symbol and instance of a disgracefully insouciant Israeli attitude to their neighbours. Justify this 'hypocrisy' allegation, or apologise, please. I think you are behaving like an absolute shit in this particular, and am ashamed for you!


Sincerely!

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:18 AM

Yes, well -- maybe Ben Gurion & Meir not all that fair-minded at that; but compared to the absolutely stinking Begin & his Likud successors...

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:25 AM


Yo, Guest: these incidents are taking place in the OCCUPIED TERRITORIES where Israel has no place establishing illegal settlements in the first instance,

So Greg, if you consider that an immigrant's status is illegal, it is OK to hack them to death.

Or only if they are Jews?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:33 AM

Keith, there is a difference between an immigrant, even an illegal one, and an occupier. Thats not to justify violence in any way, but Greg's point as quoted by you is a fair one.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:42 AM

"I remain much exercised, Jim, as to what you regard as 'hypocritical' in my denunciation of Israeli settlers for having destroyed the olive groves "
I most certainly do not disagree with you Mike - I find hypocritical the fact that it is the only actual criticism of Israeli behaviour you have been prepared to make, to my recollection.
Sabra/Shatila, The Israeli/Berlin Wall, the spread of settlements, the massacres and devastation of 2014, the introduction of Israeli Apartheid..... and the rest, "is silence" as The Bard said.
silence is support in another form, as far as I'm concerned.
Your being ashamed for me is fully reciprocated.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:50 AM

there is a difference between an immigrant, even an illegal one, and an occupier.

The knife intifada victims are mostly just immigrants. Settlers.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 04:56 AM

Jim, your faked quotes are very dishonest.
If you had a case you would not have to lie.

Example,
"We must expel Arabs and take their places."
-- David Ben Gurion, 1937, Ben Gurion and the Palestine Arabs, Oxford University Press, 1985."

What he really said,

"We do not wish, we do not need to expel the Arabs and take their place. All our aspirations are built upon the assumption — proven throughout all our activity in the Land — that there is enough room in the country for ourselves and the Arabs."
Letter to his son Amos (5 October 1937), as quoted in Teveth, Shabtai, Ben Gurion: The Burning Ground; and Karsh, Efraim (2000), Fabricating Israeli History: The 'New Historians'; this has been extensively misquoted as "[We] must expel Arabs and take their places" after appearing in this form in Morris, Benny (1987), The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947–1949, Cambridge University Press, p. 25.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 05:13 AM

It is a quote I lifted direct - it matters little that iyt is "misquoted" - elsewhere David ben Gurion made it quite clear that he was aware the Israelis had "stolen Arab" lands - nobody other than you has ever denied that he said what he did.
Settlers are far more thin "immigrants" - they are sanctioned land thieves.
Now there's a misleading claim, if you like
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 05:32 AM

Ok, I admit ignorance here, were these knife attacks in Israel proper (i.e. pre-1967) or in the occupied West Bank?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:13 AM

GUEST,Raggytash - 25 Jan 16 - 01:28 PM

My point Raggy is that those who call themselves "Palestinians" (An invention of Yasser Arafat's) have been appallingly let down by their own allies and by their own leaders since 1948.

The degree and scale of their self-serving corruption is staggering and blatantly evident to all.

The sources illustrating this with regard to Yasser Arafat number in the hundreds if not thousands - I merely selected three of them - so much for having to resort to anybody.

It was not the Israelis who bundled people on their own land and shut them up in camps and called them "refugees" that was done by the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and then that status was maintained by the Palestinian leaders - Refugees you see Raggy are very useful political pawns and the poorer their lot and the more hopeless you make their circumstances the better fund raisers they are - The ARAB "LEADERS" have deliberately fostered these circumstances and conditions since 1948 - all down to them - they could have peace tomorrow IF they wanted it - unfortunately THEY DON'T so the beat goes gone.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:28 AM

I think you will find Terriblossom that Palestine is mentioned in the bible, to say nothing of the Roman general Titus in AD70 or of the Anglo/French involvement post first world war. All year or two before Arafats time, whatever you may think of him.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:45 AM

"The degree and scale of their self-serving corruption is staggering and blatantly evident to all."
No more than corruption elsewhere - including Britain, which left millions homeless and unemployed - (and Israel, of course) that's politics for you
Your relying on Palestinian corruption to denigrate Palestinians totally ignores the fact that it is an integral part of modern acquisitive society everywhere - not exclusive to Middle Eatern politicians and no less reprehensible.
(An invention of Yasser Arafat's)
Utter crap
"Palestinian" was used to refer to the nationalist concept of a Palestinian people by the Arabs of Palestine in a limited way until World War I"
It came into full use when their right to their homeland was challenged by the Israelis - around the time the "State of Israel" was "invented"
"It was not the Israelis who bundled people on their own land and shut them up in camps and called them "refugees""
It was the Israelis who drove over five million Palestinians into exile and has persistently refused to allow them to return.
Refugees are the product of a war brought about by constant land seizure by the Israelis
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:46 AM

Of course "Palestine" was mentioned prior to the misfortune of Arafat copying his Uncle in using the Arabs from that REGION as a means of amassing a personal fortune and aggrandising himself.

Palestine refers to a geographic area comprising a collection of districts of what was the former Ottoman Empire.

Here Raggy is a map of the Ottoman Empire around 1900 - you will find no place on it called "Palestine":

Ottoman Empire 1900

Palestine has never existed as a country, Arafat invented it in the early 1970s in order to make money - this he did very successfully as his bank balance clearly shows - but Arafat's "Palestinians" never saw any benefit of it because it was in the best interests of the "Palestinians Leaders" to keep their people poor, impoverished and bereft of any hope, as in that condition they can be wound up and played like a cheap clockwork toy and as biddable as a well trained dog.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 06:47 AM

"- I find hypocritical the fact that it is the only actual criticism of Israeli behaviour you have been prepared to make, to my recollection."
.,,.,.
Ah; maybe I begin to see daylight. As suggested in my last post, and as I thought I should have made clear, I cited is as a particularly telling symbolic instance of exploitation and victimisation on Israel's part. I never suggested it was the only, or the worst, example that could be found; simply that its very pettiness was a sort of microcosm of a much greater & more culpable and reprehensible tendency to exploit & victimise. I still regard those groves, their owners' only means of maintenance, as symbolically important in the whole lamentable and discreditable debacle. OTOH, to hear you tell it, those bloody olive groves didn't even matter. I don't think their deprived & starved out owners & cultivators would have agreed with you.

Geddit now?

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:03 AM

"particularly telling symbolic instance of exploitation and victimisation"
I fully accept that Mike and agree with your sentiments absolutely, but at the same time you have continually castigated me, even to the length of describing me as "Antisemitic", for going beyond symbolism and criticising the realities of the situation
Symbols are fine, but sometimes a little superfluous when you are faced with the real thing.
I'm happy that you stick with your symbolism as long as you leave me to state my opinions as I see fit.
"Of course "Palestine" was mentioned "
Wasn't "mentioned" - it was fairly common
You seldom make anything "clear" when to shroud everything in belligerent bullying and hectoring
"Arafat invented it in the early 1970s in order to make money "
No he did not" - he used it ahs a rallying descriotion for a people under attack
Jeez - you really are happy to use Zionist propaganda do denigrate the vicitms of Israeli terrorism.
EVEN-HANDED SUMMING UP HERE
I do wish you'd take your squalidity elsewhere
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:06 AM

elsewhere David ben Gurion made it quite clear that he was aware the Israelis had "stolen Arab" lands

Not true. More faked quotes jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:09 AM

It was the Israelis who drove over five million Palestinians into exile and has persistently refused to allow them to return.

Arab lands drove out more Jews than Israelis ever drove out Arabs.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:18 AM

You're denyin' days are done Keith
Tertitoon
Accusations of "corruption" ring a little hollow coming from a country which elected the man responsible for the massacre of 3,000 unarmed refugees Prime Minister, doncha think!!
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:20 AM

Poor try Terriblossom. I can produce maps that do not show France, Germany, Italy, Serbia, Bosnia et al in their present borders.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:29 AM

You're denyin' days are done Keith

It seems your lying days will never be done.

elsewhere David ben Gurion made it quite clear that he was aware the Israelis had "stolen Arab" lands

Not true.
Produce one clear, uncontentious example Jim.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 07:46 AM

'you have continually castigated me, even to the length of describing me as "Antisemitic", for going beyond symbolism and criticising the realities of the situation'
.,,.
I accept that I have probably overstated the case on occasion, Jim; but it seems to me nevertheless that there have been times when you have at least verged on that 2005 definition of antisemitism by the EUMC {The European Monitoring Centre on Racism and Xenophobia},

"the practice of disguised antisemitism masquerading as legitimate criticism of Israel".

I repeat I do not wish to over-exaggerate this; but what would seem to be your pertinacious "Israel can do no right in any circumstances" attitude & tone can, let us say, appear to give such an unfortunate impression.

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Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:20 AM

"I accept that I have probably overstated the case on occasion"
We both are guilty of this Mike- it happens in passionate argument
My apologies, when I have.
"it seems to me nevertheless that there have been times when you have at least verged on that 2005 definition of antisemitism"
If that's true we both have - attributing the actions of the Israeli regime to the Jewish People by describing criticism of the actions of that regime as "Antisemitic" - is in breach of the definition.
I have to say I am uneasy about the definition anyway - that you can't compare the actions of the Israeli Government to that of the Nazis, when in some cases it is highly comparable is somewhaat suspect.
Jews as early as Einstein and his fellow signatories, the ex-head of Mossad who stopped short of making such a comparison... and many other examples of loyal Israeli citizens using terms like 'reminiscent to the holocaust' or, 'Ethnic cleansing' - all cast doubt of that particular clause of the definition.
It has recently been amended to take into account what is now happening - much to the anger of the present leadership.
I have at no time directed my criticism at 'The Jews' - I leave that to Netanyahu, Bearded Bruce, and their ilk.
I believe the present leadership, unfortunately with a large following, have betrayed the the ideals of the State of Israel, just as I believe that various "Communist!!!" and "Socialist!!!" leaders beytrayed the dreams of people who believe the world is severely in need of a change for the better.   
I believe the Jews have become just as much victims of the present situation as have the Palestinian and (not to mention those of us who are not involved but are still under the shadow).
I have always spoken out about what I believe has happened to the left - I see no reason not to speak out about what I believe has happened to The State of Israel - just as much a dream of my family upbringing as was Socialism.
Perhaps it's time we called "fainites."
Jim

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:34 AM

Palestine comes from the same root, Peleset, as Philistine, and they were one of the Sea Peoples who colonised the Eastern Mediterranean in the second millenium BC. Sure, they have been occupied since by Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Israelites, Romans, Byzantines, Selucids, Abbasids, Mongols, Ottomans, British, and many many more, and sure there will be lots of interbreeding to like the other populations in the area they will not be genetically pure, but to say they were never a country is nonsense.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:41 AM

MGM, that definition was heavily criticised by Brian Klug amongst others, and has never been recommended to member states for adoption.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:50 AM

if you consider that an immigrant's status is illegal, it is OK to hack them to death.

You want to take that question up with Donald Trump, Marco Rubio & Ted Cruz, Professor.


were these knife attacks in Israel proper (i.e. pre-1967) or in the occupied West Bank?

"About 26 Israelis, an American student and one Palestinian bystander have been killed in Palestinian stabbings, car rammings and gun attacks since Oct. 1. In the same period, about 150 Palestinians have been killed.

The Palestinians and most of the world view the Jewish West Bank settlements as a violation of international law and as an obstacle to the establishment of a Palestinian state. Palestinians say the frustrations caused by the Israeli occupation are at the root of the outburst of violence."

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/27/world/middleeast/israeli-palestinian-attack-beit-horon.html?_r=0

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 08:58 AM


You want to take that question up with Donald Trump, Marco Rubio & Ted Cruz, Professor.

No. It is only Jews being hacked to death because of where they live.

Palestinians say the frustrations caused by the Israeli occupation are at the root of the outburst of violence."

So it is OK to hack to death any immigrant whose status you question?

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:03 AM

Tragedy: Shlomit Krigman, 24, has succumbed to her wounds from yesterday's terror attack in Beit Horon.

Shlomit was a 'komanirit' in her sherut leumi for Bnai Akiva in Beit Horon. Shlomit was visiting her grandparents who reside there when she was murdered by the terrorists in the makolet where she was going to buy food for her grandparents.

Terrorism, Again (Israel)......indeed!

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Greg F.
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:03 AM

Go back to sleep, Professor.

the practice of disguised antisemitism masquerading as legitimate criticism of Israel".

Equally, if not MORE pernicious and dishonest is legitimate criticism of Israel being derided and dismissed as antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:06 AM

has never been recommended to member states for adoption.

See:London Declaration on Combating Antisemitism and The Ottawa Protocol on Combating Antisemitism.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:07 AM

Gosh Terribulus. Those Foreign Office jobbies stationed in Palestine pre 1948 must have been fiddling their expenses then if their postings didn't exist.

Are you sure? You normally defend the establishment.

By the way, when Palestinian junior doctors come here to finish training, The General Medical Council accepts "Palestine" as country of origin, putting it as such on their registration if they so wish.

Judging a nation by Arafat is like judging us by Haig or other militaristic monsters.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:21 AM

Nameless Guest, neither of those constitutes recognition by any state.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST,Dave
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:23 AM

Greg, that was precisely Brian Klug's point, and why he criticised the EUMC definition.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:31 AM

Contrary to what apologists aver, the current wave of stabbings is not a reaction to occupation it is a reaction to an invented threat to the al-Aqsa mosque created by the leaders of Palestine's Muslims. They have used this fabrication to manipulate the emotions of Muslims convincing them that they must protect the Temple Mount from Jews. These emotions are also being flamed by the PA and particularly by Abbas with outrageous statements such as this one which he made on Official PA TV on September 16, 2015:

"We bless you, we bless the Murabitin (those carrying out Ribat, religious conflict/war to protect land claimed to be Islamic), we bless every drop of blood that has been spilled for Jerusalem, which is clean and pure blood, blood spilled for Allah, Allah willing. Every Martyr (Shahid) will reach Paradise, and everyone wounded will be rewarded by Allah.
The Al-Aqsa [Mosque] is ours, the Church of the Holy Sepulchre is ours, and they have no right to defile them with their filthy feet. We will not allow them to, and we will do everything in our power to protect Jerusalem."

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 09:53 AM

Tried to goodle your top quote to find its source - no luck, but interestingly, it came up with THIS
Your second quote comes from Palestine Media Watch - an employee of the Israeli Government
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 10:07 AM

The quote comes from Abbas which he made on PA TV, it was reported by PMW among other sources.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 10:10 AM

You can watch him making it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n4Mq63fUwEo

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 10:44 AM

0903 A reasonable antithesis, GregF, one is bound in justice to admit.

Dave -- well, hmmmm ... This Dr Klug, I find from Wiki, is a fellow of an Oxford college...
Nuff said?!

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MA Cantab

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:17 AM

I can keep this propaganda up as long as you continue to ignore the facts of what is happening

It is people like you, with your soft bigotry of low expectations for the Palestinian people, who refuse to admit to any culpability of the Palestinians and their leaders for the situation they find themselves in. When and if they ever get honest and responsible leaders who genuinely want peace and prosperity for their people and not use them as pawns to try and achieve some diabolical goal, Israel is ready and willing to talk as they have demonstrated on numerous occasions.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:29 AM

New antisemitism

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Part of a series on
Antisemitism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_antisemitism#United_Kingdom

·····Lengthy & somewhat diffuse, but overall IMO interesting and worthwhile and relevant, Wikipedia article.

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: Teribus
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:34 AM

"the Israelis who drove over five million Palestinians into exile"

What!!!! In 1948??? What on earth do you think the population of the reduced (1923) Mandated TERRITORY of Palestine was? The population was less than 2 million so would you care to explain exactly out of a total population of less than 2 million the Israelis managed to drive 5 million Palestinians into exile? [Simply dying to hear the explanation]

Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
From: GUEST
Date: 26 Jan 16 - 11:43 AM

Just a simple question MGM, did you actually study for an MA or was it awarded as a matter of course as I believe is/was the case for Oxbridge students.