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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 06 Nov 17 - 03:09 PM

Version 2.2.0 adds some features:
  1. Extends the feature which automatically scrolls a thread to the first new post to threads displayed with the latest post at the top, via the little 'd' link. It only scrolls if the last post you displayed is still on page one. The first new post is at the bottom of the screen.

  2. To make it easier to see whether a 'd' thread has changed since you last viewed it, it colours the background to the link on the index page. This only happens if you select 'Reorder Index Columns' in the options.

  3. Mudcat currently displays accented letters such as á è ö and some other characters and punctuation marks as ?-mark. The addon will optionally convert all such characters to html '&-codes' so they display correctly. This may be of interest if you post non-English lyrics, or paste text which contains such characters. The feature is off by default: enable it in options. When it's fixed in mudcat, I suggest you disable it.

    When using this feature you will see codes such as é in the input box instead of é when you preview. If you want to edit these characters - e.g. to correct é to è - you can turn them back into whatever you typed by clicking 'Recover text'.
See my recent post about setting options in Firefox for Android 56.

Mudcat_Browser_Tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Stanron
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 05:25 AM

Great to have this back. Thanks Dave.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 14 Oct 17 - 03:56 AM

Version 2.1.3 works with Mudcat's new server which is using secure data transmission over the internet (TLS). It should update automatically; if it doesn't make sure you've got automatic updates on.

For Firefox, Firefox for Android, and Chrome (not mobile).

In Firefox for Android 56 the userstyles can now be enabled, but see my comment earlier about accessing the preferences.

Mudcat_Browser_Tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 28 Aug 17 - 06:09 PM

It works in Microsoft's Edge browser in Windows 10 too - but you have to load it from a file. PM me if you want to try it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 24 Aug 17 - 10:14 AM

New version 2.1.2 is compatible with the ?age= parameter and works in Firefox, Firefox for Android, and Google Chrome.

I made it compatible with Firefox for Android 55 despite the fact that you can't set its preferences: preference setting only becomes available in 56. But I prioritised compatibility with the ?age feature, which is most useful on mobiles. Until 56 is released you'll be stuck with the default settings and won't be able to turn on the new styles, for example to move the search box to the bottom of the index page. (Preference setting does work in 56, despite appearing not to: the little pane that says "What this extension does" is scrollable. It all works better in 57.)

I don't use Google Chrome so if it doesn't install update or work, or stops working, please let me know. I think it should work on Chromebooks but I haven't tried it. It doesn't work on mobile because Google don't allow Chrome Extensions on mobile.

For anyone trying this addon for the first time, it works best if you keep the index page open and open each thread in a new tab (middle-click often does that) which will then automatically scroll down to the first new post. I do realise that everyone has their own preferred method of navigating the site, but that's mine and it's what the addon was designed for.

Mudcat_browser_tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 21 Aug 17 - 12:21 PM

A feature of this addon is that it highlights all threads that have been posted to since your last visit by displaying them in italics.

You may have seen in this_thread that you can add, for example, ?age=1 to a URL. This is obviously useful - not only if you want to reduce the age limit from the now-standard three days but if you want to increase it: if you last visited more than a day ago then the addon would italicise everything, which is not helpful.

Unfortunately, if you add an age parameter it stops the italicisation feature working. (I didn't know you could add 'query strings' to mudcat URLs so I didn't program for them). Some style changes break too.

I've fixed this in v2.1.1 which is in the review pipeline. Unfortunately Firefox for Android users won't get this version until Firefox 56 at the earliest; it works in 57 but I have yet to test it with 56-beta.

This will affect the Chrome Extension too, which appears to have only four users (or one user with four computers perhaps, depending on what they count). I'll take a look at that in a few days.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 12 Aug 17 - 06:56 AM

Firefox addons are changing and I've updated Mudcat Browser Tools to meet the new standard. It's now version 2.1.0 and works with Firefox 52+ on desktop and Firefox 56+ on Android - which will be released on September 26th. It should update automatically.

It uses a different method of storing its data, including preferences. If you changed any preferences from the default values (quote style and whether to scroll to the first new post) you will need to do it again.

I built in the three page layout changes that I'd previously published as userstyles. These make Mudcat more readable on phones and small tablets. All are off by default: you can turn them on in 'preferences'. If you use the Stylish addon read the red bits in the link below.

The Chrome Extension is unchanged at version 1.2.2.

Mudcat_Browser_Tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 02 Mar 17 - 02:36 AM

There is a bug in Firefox for Android (v51) which prevents the options showing. This will probably only affect a new user who wants to change the defaults, e.g. to remove 'so-and-so says" from a quote, or to not automatically scroll down to see new posts. There is a workround: PM me if you want to know how. Desktop Firefox, and the Chrome version, is unaffected. (The bug affects other addons too.)

Mudcat Browser Tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 11 Oct 16 - 01:01 PM

I had to move the webpage that describes and links to these tools. It's now here:

https://revad.github.io/mudcat_tools.html

I also added a userstyle 'Magnify Posts' for users of Firefox on Android on a phone: it makes the text of posts bigger. (I found I had to turn my phone sideways to read them.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 08 Sep 16 - 09:27 AM

My addon checks the preview box by default on the thread page. So unless you uncheck it you always get a preview.

It isn't checked by default on the preview.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jack Campin
Date: 08 Sep 16 - 09:19 AM

Something I asked Max for but he wouldn't do it - allow a user to have the "Preview" button checked by default, so you always got a preview unless you asked for a real post. That would catch almost all of the typos I make.

Is there any way to do that in an add-on? Or force all new posts to go through a preview step first?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 07 Sep 16 - 12:10 PM

Somewhat to my surprise, this addon works unchanged in the Microsoft Edge browser. But only the latest version of Edge in the 2016 verson of Windows 10. You can tell if you have it by clicking the button on the menu bar. It you see 'extensions' you have it

I don't think many people use Edge. Any interest in this?

Mudcat browser tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 29 Aug 16 - 06:15 AM

McG: Have you tried the addon? You wrote in another thread that you used Firefox on your PC. (I suspect that Firefox is not widely used by mudcatters.) You don't have to use all its features - like quoting or making links. I would have thought effortless recovery of posts that don't stick would be useful to anyone.

But whether someone will find it useful does depend on how they use Mudcat. I wrote it for myself and I leave the main page open and open each thread in a new tab. Also I read threads downwards, even long ones. If you prefer a different mode of operation it's less useful.

I'm puzzled by "an adequate number of hidden tricks". What is the "adequate number"?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 12:16 PM

For me the beauty of Mudcat is that it is so minimalist, but has an adequate number of hidden tricks you can use if you want.

I wish the rest of the net was more like this.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 26 Aug 16 - 03:09 AM

Version 1.2.3 restores automatic scrolling the first new post on Android. It'll update automatically if you have Firefox v48 - which you should have.

Firefox Addon: Mudcat browser tools.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 23 Aug 16 - 04:42 PM

There seems to be a bug in Firefox for Android v48 which stops the addon scrolling down to the first new post in a thread on some devices. Either I or Mozilla will fix this soon.

Mudcat Browser Tools


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 05 Jun 16 - 10:29 AM

I finally got round to adding some screenshots to the download page of the Chrome version of this addon. They show what it does to the index page and the extra buttons on the posting window. You can see them on the Chrome Extension page via here.

This is the first time I've made a Chrome version of a public addon - I don't user Chrome myself. There are about five times as many Chrome users as Firefox users on the internet - though I don't know if that's true of Mudcat. But there are fewer Chrome users of my addon than Firefox users. I put this down to Chrome users being more small-c conservative, and less likely to try something new. So if you're a Chrome user take a look and maybe give the extension a try. It's easy to remove if you don't like it ;)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: DaveRo
Date: 09 Apr 16 - 05:26 AM

I don't use Chrome browser. Having updated the Firefox version I checked the Chrome version of the addon - and found it didn't work properly. Auto-scrolling to the next post, function #2 in the OP, didn't happen. It used to, so I think something in Chrome (or Chromium in my case) has changed.

But the bug was mine and I've fixed it in version 1.2.2. It should update itself.

One possible effect is that if the addon has never auto-scrolled for you before, and you didn't disable it in the options, it might start doing so. If you don't want that set the option to stop it. Scrolling also works slightly differently to before. If you've viewed the thread before, but there are no new posts, it scrolls down to the thread name to indicate that. If it doesn't scroll at all you've not viewed the thread before. And scrolling no longer prevents the back button from returning to the index or wherever you came from in one click.

The Chrome version should work with the new Vivaldi browser.

Mudcat_Browser_Tools

Questions or problems? Read the updated ReadMe that's accessible from the options. And you can now PM me. Or post here.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 03 Apr 16 - 10:35 AM

For the other three of you using my addon on Android, updated version 1.2.1 includes a workaround to the year-old bug in Firefox that prevented the options displaying. It should update itself. The Chrome version is still at 1.2.0

Mudcat_Browser_Tools

Among its several functions the addon inserts a linkifier button onto the page. It turns any web addresses that you type into a post into clickable links - no copying and pasting and no limit to the length. It also remembers the contents of posts that vanish into the aether. Only for Firefox and Chrome.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 12 Feb 16 - 05:10 AM

History lesson, it's time to remember...

In the early days of the World Wide Web, the www referred to an actual webserver, a physical box. So a company owning the domain widget.com might have two servers - mail.widget.com for email and www.widget.com for its website. The www was only a convention, easy to remember for a public unused to internet addresses, but it became so familiar that a lot of people thought that it was a necessary part of a web address.

These days many sites do not need the www. Big websites work out what actual server to use based on the user's location, device, and the current traffic. Also the domain name is now being advertised as the name of the service: "Confused? Come to confused.com!" So the www is becoming obsolete, a historical relic. But the original server-name.domain-name system is still in use, especially on small sites or ones that have been around for years.

Some browsers did indeed add the www. - and .com on the end - maybe some still do. A few years back if you typed 'dog' into Firefox it would look up www.dog.com - which annoyed many people, and caused shysters to register thousands of mis-spelled domain names. These says Firefox and most other browsers have amalgamamated the address bar and the search bar so they will look up 'dog' in a search engine instead.

But even sites that don't need the www often add it themselves. (It may look as if the browser is adding it, but it's not.) I suspect that's because the 'www' is so ingrained that people type it anyway, or expect to see it: so confused.com displays here as www.confused.com. Firefox no longer displays the www part of a non-secure web address, which is an indication of its irrelevance.

I referred in a recent post to the browser not sharing data between domains, and the browser treats the www as part of the domain (technically it's an 'origin'). It's important that the browser does not share data and cookies between, say, shop.widgets.com and forums.widgets.com. So sites usually present a single domain - which is often www.something. But they could equally take the www off, or use something else.

mudcat works with or without the www and as far as I can see they both refer to the same site - at least for a guest. It doesn't add the www to the address it presents to the browser, and it mostly seems to stay in the domain - mudcat.org or www.mudcat.org - it starts in. But sometimes it doesn't - which is when my addon stops working. I doubt if they're using different physical servers - I believe the servers are etta.mudcat.org and awe.mudcat.org but I don't know how it assigns traffic to each.

When I wrote the scripts that became this addon I didn't even consider www - I've always used just mudcat.org
I've never taken any notice of Trace before, but now that I try it it takes me to my personal page. Is that what's supposed to happen? And the DeTrace links do exactly the same.
I don't know anything about Trace and DeTrace - as a guest I've never seen it.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Bill D
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 08:40 PM

Most browsers now automatically assume the www. part... just as they assume the http part.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Richard Mellish
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 06:07 PM

I'm certainly interested in these addons but first I must apologise for a bit of thread drift into areas of my ignorance.

> For a member, the trace link is to the right of date/time

I've never taken any notice of Trace before, but now that I try it it takes me to my personal page. Is that what's supposed to happen? And the DeTrace links do exactly the same.

> One thing to note is that the tools work on mudcat.org - not www.mudcat.org or any other variation

I never knew about mudcat.org without the www. What is the difference?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 11 Feb 16 - 03:17 AM

So to use the addon you need to ensure that bookmarks or shortcuts don't point to the www. address (or etta. etc.).

There are a few links on the site that point there, for example the 'member photos and info' quick link, and maybe there are others in the members' screens. Once you hit one of those the site seems to stay on www.mudcat.org and the addon stops working. And the www may not appear in the address bar unless you click it. To revert to mudcat.org you could use a bookmark, or another link that does it.

This might seem like a simple thing to fix but it's not; mudcat.org and www.mudcat.org are different domains and cannot share stored data within the browser.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 02:35 PM

DaveRo
Thanks for the reply. Yes I was using the www.mudcat URL. I was using a saved bookmark with the www prefix. I'll have to replace it. I must have typed in the correct URL once instead of using the bookmark. All good now, thank you.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 10:06 AM

I'm puzzled by "For a day or so I saw no change in Mudcat and then, all of a sudden, I got the Italics and the move to the new posts". As I mentioned earlier, it works with mudcat.org but not with www.mudcat.org or any other variation. Is it posssible that you sometimes use one, sometimes another - via different bookmarks perhaps? Can this be why it's stopped working?

Does any of it work? I would expect the green buttons below the posting box to always appear. If they don't I would suspect the URL problem, as above, or that the addon got disabled: look in tools>addons. Have you recently installed another addon that might interfere with it, perhaps a cookie- or privacy-related one?

If you get the green buttons but it doesn't italicise changed threads or scroll to new posts then I would suspect that something is stopping it using browser local storage, where it stores the numbers of the threads and posts you've read. It's possible to disable local storage, but it's not likely to happen acidentally. More common is accidentally to clear local storage - it's treated rather like cookies. Some 'privacy' and 'clean-up' programs also do that. But if so the addon would just forget what you'd already read and start again.

I can't think of any mechanism whereby a script error on a non-mudcat page could affect it. Unless in fixing that you disabled something.

I'm also using Firefox 44 on Linux. I don't get any problems with that ghacks page, though I'm running AdBlock Plus and have tracking protection on, which kills several scripts.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Stanron
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 07:29 AM

Some time after this thread started I downloaded the browser tools. I run Linux Mint with Firefox 44 as my browser.

For a day or so I saw no change in Mudcat and then, all of a sudden, I got the Italics and the move to the new posts.

A couple of days ago I opened the link in first post of the current Windows 10 thread. This caused the browser to freeze and report a script error. It took about 5 minutes to get this page to close, after repeatedly clicking on the 'stop script' button.

Since this the browser tools for Mudcat have stopped working. Is there a connection here?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 10 Feb 16 - 03:35 AM

There is a bug in Firefox for Android (not in my addon) that stops you accessing the options - to change the quote format or suppress scrolling to the first unread post. You can do it, but it's a bit convoluted so I won't post the workaround here. Use the support email address on the Firefox addon page (link in OP) and I'll send instructions. The Android version works fine with the default settings.

The options work OK on ordinary Firefox and Chrome.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Acme
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:30 PM

I thought Gargoyle was not only not blocked, but invited back.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Joe Offer
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:26 PM

Aw, but if you're blocked, Garg, it's nothing personal...


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,.gargoyle
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 09:11 PM

The most valuable tool, for me in the new year, is PROXY.

I can sometimes, post once (as an anonymous GUEST) and then...all other Muscat access is blocked.

There are over a thousand proxy services available...perhaps a dozen are blocked by Mudcat at the moment.

Sincerely,
Gargoyle

mud elves played the same silly games a decade ago...I am happy to share the common religious belief on circumcisn but...I do not care to have such silliness connected


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 03:12 AM

v1.1.0 works when signed in, and allows you to opt out of scrolling threads to the first new post. It should update itself.
Mudcat Browser Tools

Thanks to Jon for testing.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 10:13 AM

the tools package seems to be working just ducky in Google Chrome
That's good - I think.

One thing to note is that the tools work on mudcat.org - not www.mudcat.org or any other variation. So if it doesn't work, or stops working, check whether you've hit a link which changed the first part of the URL.

Jon has pointed out that the 'Refresh' button at the top of the index stops the italicisation. I'll fix that in a later version.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 04:25 PM

Well, now that I've forgotten about it and I've been using the same browser and not logging out and in, the tools package seems to be working just ducky in Google Chrome.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 01:02 PM

Hi Jon

Can you email me via the support link on the Firefox addon page? I can then send you a update to test. We can also discuss Suse Leap off-forum. If anybody else wants to be a beta tester please do the same. Does anyone use Windows? ;)
Joe Offer wrote: How do I make it work on Safari and Microsoft Edge & Internet Explorer?
They won't work in other browsers. I know nothing about writing addons for Safari or Internet Explorer. I've read that Edge will have extensions later this year; maybe they will be compatible with Firefox/Chrome webextensions - there seems to be some convergence in the air. We'll have to wait and see.

Mobile is more restrictive. Firefox has addons on Android - this one works with it. Chrome on Android doesn't support addons. And Apple doesn't allow them on iOS.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 12:30 PM

Let us know when it's fixed then Dave and I'll try it again.

As said before that one #1 and probably #2 are probalby not that useful to me personally but the others ones do make a tool that that I will keep installed for my perhaps sporadic Mudcat usage.

I'd also think it could enhance many other's usage of the forum.

So thanks for your efforts.

--
totally OT but how do you find leap? Our own combination of nVidia graphics and KDE/plasma5 has seemed to be the most troubled part for some but it's been pretty much fine for us and as things stand would be optimistic towards keeping Opensuse as my proffered distro into the future.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 09:53 AM

That's great. I can identify the date TD from that.

I too use OpenSuse Leap 42.1.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 09:44 AM

For a member, the trace link is to the right of date/time, Dave.

eg (with blank lines omitted):

<TR>
<TD>
<A href="thread.cfm?threadid=159035&messages=25">Tech: Mudcat browser tools</A>
</TD>
<TD><CENTER>25</CENTER></TD>
<TD align="center"><font size="-1">17 Jan 16 - 09:22 AM</font></TD>
<TD>
<A href="AddtoTrace.cfm?Thread_ID=159035" ><font size="-2">Trace</font></A>
</TD>


I guess there is also an "untrace" varient.
Just to confirm. The versions of Firefox and Chromium (not Chrome) I am using are the ones that are in my (OpenSuse Leap 42.1) Linux distribution.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 09:22 AM

Thanks a lot, Jon. So the conclusion so far is that, signed in, the italicising feature (#1) doesn't work but that the rest does. And that's on Linux, and Chromium not Chrome (which shouldn't matter.)

Which doesn't explain why Joe's worked 'for a time'.

The italicising code looks down all the rows for a link to a thread, which must be the leftmost item. If it find that it looks for a date/time, which must be the rightmost item. So if there is anything to the left of the thread name, or to the right of the date/time, it won't work.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 08:07 AM

Logging out again (on Firefox) has caused a few threads to (correctly, I think) appear in italics. So I suspect that part is not working for members.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 08:05 AM

Jon Freeman wrote: OK. I'll try signing in.


Signed in does add a "trace" link to the index page and a PM link next to the user name in a thread. I'm again unsure what is happening with the index page but scrolling down to the last post is working.

Everything else looks OK to me.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jon Freeman
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 07:59 AM

OK. I'll try signing in.

It's a long while since I was a mod here but that system at least used to have extra links, eg. to edit and delete posts.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 07:54 AM

Yes, it does depend on how you use the site. One advantage of the original userscripts was that you could install the ones you wanted - just the username one, say. But installation was far trickier. I suppose I could make #2 an option - that would be easy. Thanks for the report. What I'd really like to know is whether signing in prevents it working, as Joe reports, or whether that only affects users with special powers.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 07:45 AM

GUEST,DaveRo wrote: It saves the text on preview too - any use of the submit button - so easy to test. Once you've done that once it will have a 'last post' in memory whch can be recovered.

Thanks. I can confirm "Recover Text" works on both of my browsers. Very handy. I like the blockquote too.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 07:37 AM

Dave. I got nothing italicised on Firefox after installing the add on. I had checked preview and checked guest name persistence and then posted my "report". It was after that post was made, everything got italicised. This does seem to have been a one off though.

Personally, I don't see any value in the thread list one the way it seems to want to work. One refresh or other action and everything italicised is gone. It doesn't fit the way I work.

I also have doubts about the scrolling down to the last unread post. One thing there with me is that I tend to go back to a post I've just made to re-read it - I've a horrible habit even with preview of only spotting a mistake after I've made the post...

Of course I'm just commenting on how I find things, I'm not saying these features may not be useful to others.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 07:17 AM

It will italicise threads with a last post date/time after you last refreshed the page. The first time after installation it will italicise everything. If you then refresh the page, and no post has been made, it will italicise nothing. That's probably what you saw.

It saves the text on preview too - any use of the submit button - so easy to test. Once you've done that once it will have a 'last post' in memory whch can be recovered.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 06:40 AM

Umm. Having made the above post, it looks as if there are problems with #1 on both browsers.

Firefox has italicised every thread and Chromium none.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 06:37 AM

At a quick look,

Firefox 43.0 Linux:

1 Italicises threads posted to since last visit. Not working.

2 Scrolls thread to first new post. OK.

3 Persists previous user name and selects preview. OK

4 Adds quoting and linking buttons below input area. OK.

5. Saves and recovers text in case of failure to post. Untested.

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Chromium 47.0 Linux

1 Italicises threads posted to since last visit. OK.

2 Scrolls thread to first new post. OK.

3 Persists previous user name and selects preview. OK

4 Adds quoting and linking buttons below input area. OK.

5. Saves and recovers text in case of failure to post. Untested.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 04:39 AM

I wouldn't run two very different versions of firefox on the same profile. Use the profile manager to set up a new profile and either use it to select a profile every time or start the non-default instance with a -P command line argument. (You probably knew this!)

By publishing via addons.mozilla.org (AMO) I can update the addon very easily and everybody will get updated automagically. I hope that the chrome store does that too.

But at the moment I don't know when it works and when it doesn't so any diagnostics are welcome. If it fails there will probably be js console errors.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Mr Red
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 04:09 AM

Is there an extension that filters out all GUEST posts and makes the BS section vanish? LOL

But I'm sorry, I cannot warm to the notion, this is a narrow focus forum, with a wide interpretation of "narrow". The angrynista reflect real life, and always have been around us - it makes it Folk!

I may try "Mudcat Browser Tools" on FF 43 (and rising) but running 2 versions of FF at the same time is not advisable, all my cookies default to a confused mishmash. There is the remote possibility that DaveRo will have to update the Addon as Mozilla updates, they seem to be doing it at about 3 monthly intervals. Best of luck Dave, be alert to updates - mate!


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 02:07 AM

Mr Red wrote: Not Available for FireFox 34
It needs Firefox 38 or later. I don't know what version of chrome it needs; I don't know much about chrome - I don't use it and this is the first chrome extension I've written. Firefox is changing to chrome-compatible addons, called 'webextensions', and I'm trying them out.

GUEST,ripov wrote: I'm set up to delete everything on browser exit, and then run ccleaner at boot.
Whether the addon will work for you depends on what 'everything' encompasses. If you clear the browser's 'local storage' - aka 'HTML5 storage' - it won't work. I don't know how Chrome handles this storage, or ccleaner.

It doesn't use or affect cookies. My intention is that the username feature only works for guest posts. If the 'From' field is blank it fills it in for you. If you have a cookie I assume it will have no effect but I don't know. Does it work like that?

Joe Offer wrote: the Mudcat extensions work off and on for me now on Google Chrome 47. I have to log out and log in again, and then they work for a time.
Do you mean log out and in from Mudcat?

I've not used it on Chrome on Windows - I don't have it - only Chromium on Linux. Does it work for anyone on Chrome on Windows? Is it the same in Firefox Joe?

And I've only used it as a guest. Maybe the 'signed in' screens are more different than I assumed. Does it work for anyone when signed in?

It should only affect two screens - the index of threads, where changed threads should be in italics - and the thread page which should jump to the first new post and also show the green 'buttons'. If either of those screens is different between signed in and guest then it might well not work. Does the 'moderator version' have extra stuff on those screens? (In technical terms the page code has few CSS selectors, so it has to count the elements - the tables and rows. An additional block might well screw it up.)


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:59 PM

I tested the BS filter just now, and it doesn't seem to work. Sorry, Jack.

And Dave, the Mudcat extensions work off and on for me now on Google Chrome 47. I have to log out and log in again, and then they work for a time.

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jeri
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 06:04 PM

You can use a BS filter, but I think Joe Offer has to change it for you these days.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Jack Campin
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:37 PM

Is there an extension that filters out all GUEST posts and makes the BS section vanish?


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:27 PM

Nope, apparently it has nothing to do with being a moderator. I logged out, and then logged back in again - and now it works on Firefox and on Chrome 47.
Howe do I make it work on Safari and Microsoft Edge & Internet Explorer?
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:16 PM

I think maybe it isn't set up to work on the moderator version of Mudcat. I logged out, and now it works on Firefox.
This is pretty slick, Dave!

-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Joe Offer
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 05:06 PM

Hi, Dave -
I installed the extension on the current version of Google Chrome, Version 47.0.2526.111 m. So far, I don't notice it doing anything.
-Joe-


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,ripov
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:31 PM

Having read the description I think it doesn't.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,ripov
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:26 PM

Sorry, was that a silly question?- perhaps your no 3. Persist User Name does it? I shall try.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,ripov
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 02:23 PM

Do you have something (batch file maybe)to put the mudcat cookie back in firefox every time you click on Mudcat url? I'm set up to delete everything on browser exit, and then run ccleaner at boot.


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Subject: RE: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 12:19 PM

Not Available for FireFox 34

The reason I used FireFox 34.05 is because versions since about 38 (maybe 40) cannot be used to debug my JavaScript. I use timeOut and de-bugger breakpoints cannot be set, it halts on timeOut instead. Go figure. I also have, currently, FF 43 which I use to verify that my code can work on the latest versions. Though if it ever fails, I am clueless on how to debug for the latest iterations. Short of being a manual timer myself.

I test on Chrome 31 & 40, Opera 12 & 28 Safari 5 and IE 11 plus a few rarer IE clones like Maxthon. I like to be backward compatible as poss, even to providing a basic system for non-JavaScript users. Often this means foregoing some niceties. I knew people who up to last year (and maybe still) run IE8.


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Subject: Tech: Mudcat browser tools
From: GUEST,DaveRo
Date: 16 Jan 16 - 09:03 AM

Over the past couple of years I've written several userscripts and bookmarklets for browsing Mudcat. I've now packaged them as a browser addon to make them easier to use, especially on a tablet. They're for Firefox and Chrome.
It adds these features to the threadlist and thread pages:
1. Identifies threads posted to since last visit.
2. Scrolls to the first new post in a thread.
3. Remembers a guest user name, and preselects preview.
4. Adds quoting and linking buttons below the input area.
5. Saves and recovers text in case the post fails to 'stick'.


Mudcat Browser Tools


Feedback welcome, especially for the chrome extension. Any problems installing it?
If anyone is using the original userscripts, don't run both!


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