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Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair

GUEST,Peter Brown 17 Jan 16 - 04:50 PM
GUEST,# 18 Jan 16 - 05:24 PM
FreddyHeadey 18 Jan 16 - 08:02 PM
GUEST,Jim Williams 19 Jan 16 - 09:06 AM
GUEST,Peter Brown 19 Jan 16 - 04:49 PM
GUEST 20 Jan 16 - 05:11 AM
GUEST,Singerdave 20 Jan 16 - 08:27 AM
GUEST,Peter Brown 21 Jan 16 - 09:28 AM
GUEST,Singerdave 22 Jan 16 - 06:15 AM
GUEST,# 22 Jan 16 - 08:52 AM
GUEST,# 22 Jan 16 - 08:56 AM
GUEST,Singerdave 22 Jan 16 - 09:20 AM
GUEST,leeneia 22 Jan 16 - 10:01 AM
FreddyHeadey 22 Jan 16 - 11:24 AM
FreddyHeadey 22 Jan 16 - 11:29 AM
GUEST,Jim Williams 22 Jan 16 - 11:42 AM
GUEST,Peter Brown 22 Jan 16 - 05:18 PM
GUEST,Gutcher 22 Jan 16 - 06:15 PM
GUEST,Jim Williams 23 Jan 16 - 04:38 AM
GUEST,Singerdave 23 Jan 16 - 08:32 AM
GUEST,Peter Brown 23 Jan 16 - 10:09 AM
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Subject: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Peter Brown
Date: 17 Jan 16 - 04:50 PM

Can anyone help with the lyrics for Brough Hill Fair please?
Any help much appreciated.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,#
Date: 18 Jan 16 - 05:24 PM

http://www.parkheadstudio.co.uk/

If you mean the lyrics of Dorothy Una Ratcliffe, I have looked for over two hours on and off and cannot locate them online--which doesn't mean they aren't there somewhere. Perhaps an email to Brian Bedford at the link above would provide the result you seek, in the event no one else responds. If you locate the lyrics it would be ducky to have them on Mudcat if that is permissible.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 18 Jan 16 - 08:02 PM

You might get the Artisan version on cd. Yorldale... available here
Artisan, Albums 
On ebay at the moment the vinyl version has a booklet with words.

In July Artisan should be
Sun. 17th Stainsby Folk Festival  &
Sat..  23rd Music on the Marr 

There is also a video by Posh Frock 
Posh Frock but I can't make out the words.

And a dialect poem about Brough Hill Fair here
Guy Woolnough


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Jim Williams
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 09:06 AM

Hi, I played the banjo on that Posh Frock and Jukebox track. I'll ask the singer if he has the words written out anywhere.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Peter Brown
Date: 19 Jan 16 - 04:49 PM

Thank you all for taking the time to reply to my request and Jim if you can get the words I'd be most grateful.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 05:11 AM

OK Peter, I'm still waiting for him to get back to me.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Singerdave
Date: 20 Jan 16 - 08:27 AM

I'm as interested as you are Peter so am looking f'wd to a result. I've tried all means but drawing a blank.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Peter Brown
Date: 21 Jan 16 - 09:28 AM

Refresh


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Singerdave
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 06:15 AM

Looks as though this request has got everyone stumped but I hope someone can come forward with the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 08:52 AM

http://www.parkheadstudio.co.uk/

If you mean the lyrics of Dorothy Una Ratcliffe, I have looked for over two hours on and off and cannot locate them online--which doesn't mean they aren't there somewhere. Perhaps an email to Brian Bedford at the link above would provide the result you seek, in the event no one else responds. If you locate the lyrics it would be ducky to have them on Mudcat if that is permissible.

###################################

That is a repeat of the second post to this thread.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,#
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 08:56 AM

BTW, Brian Bedford was a member of Artisan.


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Subject: Lyr Req: Brough Fair
From: GUEST,Singerdave
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 09:20 AM

I've followed your recommendation and have e-mailed Brian so will see what the outcome is.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 10:01 AM

I said to myself, "We can do this!", and I started writing down the lyrics from the recording by the band Posh Frock (linked above.) But I give up. It's a mishmash except for a few lines of the chorus.

I do get it that in the third verse or so, the singer is blaming the authorities for the regulations that killed the fair. However, sources say that the fair has simply moved to Appleby.

Here's a link to a Guardian picture-essay about the fair at Appleby.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/08/appleby-horse-trials-visual-tour
==================
How does one pronounce Cheviot?


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:24 AM

Maybe one of us in the UK will have to splash out the £10 for the vinyl plus booklet
On ebay at the moment the vinyl version with words.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: FreddyHeadey
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:29 AM

Che viot
with a hard e I think, though I have heard other English people from further south say Chee viot and not been questioned.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Jim Williams
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 11:42 AM

"A mishmash except for a few lines of the chorus"! Well thanks for that...It took me about 20 minutes to listen and write this out. There are about 8 words I'm not 100% certain on because the recording isn't that great and as I've already said, I'd get my friend, the very fine singer Simon Davies, who sings this on the Posh Frock track to send me the lyrics if he has them written down (probably not) or he can let me know the missing words.

=====================================================================
Chorus:

From the Chilterns to the Cheviots, Yorkshire moors and Norfolk broads,
from the valleys of Caernarfon, from the high hedged Cornish roads,
from the rolling hills of Sussex and the bracing Pennine air,
the gypsy people gathered for the Brough Hill fair.

======================================================================

The Lovells and the Stanleys the Boswells and the Lees,
Coopers, Petrelengos, names that pass the centuries,
a trading with the dealers their sound and battered nags,
---- the circus ponies, strong shires and mountain -----

(Chorus)

From all the heads they gathered,-- --- ---- ---- ---- -----,
in the bronze October weather where the winds are keen and rough,
there was no worry stopped them until this year a' grace,
the fair has been forbidden and considered out of place.

(Chorus)

Make futile regulation, introduce new pointless laws,
put down the country meetings without sufficient cause,
The London legislators could easily have a care.
when dealing with the people who meet at Brough Hill fair.

(Chorus)

They know the things that matter are rain and wind and sun,
woodland heights and valleys so well made for everyone,
for law and legislation they don't care a tinker's curse,
the only laws that they obey are of the universe.


(Chorus)

So long as smoke arises from some battered old hooped van,
the love of freedom still lives on though scattered is the clan,
the symbol and the spirit the struggles and sores they bear,
still laughing, whistling, waiting, for future Brough Hill fairs.

(Chorus)


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Peter Brown
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 05:18 PM

Many thanks Jim. True as your word.

Nags - stags perhaps in verse one ? An intuitive guess.

Verse 2 line one - tough perhaps?

Anyhow lets use our collective whatever to try and complete.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Gutcher
Date: 22 Jan 16 - 06:15 PM

Staigs were young unbroken horses straight from the cleughs and woods.

There is an old Nithsdale ballad which I will try and drag up from my [failling] memory,---- "Gar fetch to me those twa wild staigs whilk gang in Oakenshaw and ere I either eat or drink I will his body draw"
The lass Emily Smith from down that airt had obviousely heard the ballad as a story and she composed a song based on it.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Jim Williams
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 04:38 AM

Yes Peter I thought it was 'nags' in verse 1. The singer is going to get back to me today so we shall have the mystery of the missing words solved later and I'll post a revised version here.


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Subject: Lyr Add: BROUGH HILL FAIR
From: GUEST,Singerdave
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 08:32 AM

Hello all who are interested, have rec'd the lyrics as follows, Jim you did a very good job.

BROUGH HILL FAIR

CHORUS: From the Chilterns to the Cheviots, Yorkshire moors and Norfolk Broads
From the valleys of Carnarvon, from the high-hedged Cornish roads
From the rolling downs of Sussex, in the bracing Pennine air
The gypsy people gathered for the Brough Hill Fair.

The Lovells and the Stanleys, the Boswells and the Lees
Coopers, Petulengroes, Hernes and Faas for centuries
Had traded with the dealers their sound and doctured nags
Rare leapers, circus ponies, strong shires and mountain stags.

From all the airts they gathered on the grassy high nigh Brough
In the bronze October weather, when the winds are keen and rough
No wars, no murrains stopped them, until this year of grace
The Fair has been forbidden and considered 'out of place'.

Make futile regulations, introduce new pointless laws
Put down the country meetings without sufficient cause
But London legislators, go easy, have a care
When dealing with the people who meet at Brough Hill Fair.

They know the things that matter are rain and wind and sun
Woodlands, heights and valleys, Doovel made for everyone
The only laws that they'll obey are of the Universe.

So long as smoke arises from some battered old hoop van
The love of freedom still lives on, tho' scattered is the clan
A symbol of the spirit that struggles, soars and dares
Still laughing, whistling, waiting for future Brough Hill Fairs.

This is a poem by Dorothy Una Ratcliffe with music by Brian Bedford whom I am grateful for supplying the lyrics.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,Peter Brown
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 10:09 AM

Brilliant!

The community works.

Peter


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: GUEST,#
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 11:09 AM

Nice work, Singerdave.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: Gutcher
Date: 23 Jan 16 - 12:41 PM

As one who has an interest in words, from the context in the above song it would appear that a Stag in Yorkshire? is the equivelent of our Staig. Is the word still known/used in those parts for an unbroken horse as if used in another context it would be taken for a male of the deer species.

Anent the ballad mentioned in my previous post the Douglas family Earls of Morton, who took their title from the parish of that name in Dumfrieshire, one of whom became Regent at the time of James V1 and I take it to have lived at a period post the incidents mentioned in the ballad was the inventor of the "Maiden" the percursor of the "Guillotine" and stated by some to have been it's first victim.
What I have remembered of the ballad so far is as follows:--
[!] The Lord of Mortons a hunting gane
    A hunting of the deer
    And he's taen a his men but ane
    That ane was young Willie

[2] The Lady from her bour doth cry
    noo Willie come to me
    This nicht ye'll lie in my armis twa
    And my leman ye shall be

[3] Noo haud awa ye vile woman
    Noo haud awa fae me
    For I winna lie in your armis twa
    An your leman I wadna be.
Etc. etc.

Scorned woman
husband returns from hunting trip
Wife puts on a greetin face
What ails ye wife?
Young Willy has lichted me
Willie clapped in dungeon
Lord goes of a hunting again
Willie fed by sweetheart through small grill
Lord returns
A boon a boon my noble lord a boon ye'll grant tae me
What do you still live!!
      Gar fetch tae me those twa wild staigs
      Whilk gang in Oakenshaw
      And ere I either eat or drink
      I will his body draw

Willie tied to horses tails and dragged the distance of Durisdeer where mangled remain claimed by sweetheart Margaret.
__________________________________________________________________
Durisdeer in the second half of the 19th. C. home to Lady Anne Douglas composer of the well known version of "Annie Laurie". "Durisdeer" etc. etc.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: Gutcher
Date: 24 Jan 16 - 01:30 AM

Woke up in the middle of the night could'nt get back to sleep----
soughin ower favourite song Durisdeer when I realised that I finally lost it.
The composer of Durisdeer, Annie Laurie etc. was of course LADY ANNE SCOTT.


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Subject: RE: Lyr Req: Brough Hill Fair
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 25 Jan 16 - 08:40 PM

For what it's worth, it seems that the lyrics to BROUGH HILL FAIR posted by Singerdave above were printed in "Journal of the Gypsy Lore Society" (1940), page 63.


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